With all the hype about the possibility of Blizzard returning to the Starcraft universe, I am a bit curious to what you guys would look forward to most. I for one would be happy with starcraft 2 RTS but the Idea of playing from a roleplaying standpoint in a starcraft mmo would be awsome especially if they went with realistic graphics and not cartoon style.
I'm hoping they take the Warcraft approach, first a great RTS that builds up to the insanely polished and playable MMO. I really hope this is what Blizzard has in store for Starcraft.
With all the hype about the possibility of Blizzard returning to the Starcraft universe, I am a bit curious to what you guys would look forward to most. I for one would be happy with starcraft 2 RTS but the Idea of playing from a roleplaying standpoint in a starcraft mmo would be awsome especially if they went with realistic graphics and not cartoon style.
I'm hoping they take the Warcraft approach, first a great RTS that builds up to the insanely polished and playable MMO. I really hope this is what Blizzard has in store for Starcraft.
I seriously doubt that Blizzard is going to be coming out with anything new in the near future. They have all their resources tied up into WoW right now and why not. They already released one expansion that's done terrific in sales and I believe they've already hinted at another one if they haven't already announced it. They took a swing at the Starcraft IP with Ghost and missed. That wound hasn't even healed yet. Now's not the right time.
For all you who want to see Starcraft II the RTS, you should be trying Dawn of War. Extremely well done RTS in the same vein as Starcraft. Better than both the much ballyhood CnC3 and Supreme Commander, just not as well known.
Originally posted by Pappy13 I seriously doubt that Blizzard is going to be coming out with anything new in the near future. They have all their resources tied up into WoW right now and why not. They already released one expansion that's done terrific in sales and I believe they've already hinted at another one if they haven't already announced it. They took a swing at the Starcraft IP with Ghost and missed. That wound hasn't even healed yet. Now's not the right time. For all you who want to see Starcraft II the RTS, you should be trying Dawn of War. Extremely well done RTS in the same vein as Starcraft. Better than both the much ballyhood CnC3 and Supreme Commander, just not as well known. http://dawnofwargame.com/homepage.php
Ummm, ya.. The press release for their new game is due... What... Friday..
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW... It all sucked.
Starcraft is still easily the best RTS to date. Dawn of War is alright. Every race is the same. It's the retarded version of starcraft as is C&C 3.
Nobody puts quality into RTS as much as Blizzard. The races are completely different and very tactical. That's why the have Korean tournaments on the game, because no other RTS would work. Dawn of War has a pretty fun story that lasts one campaign per game, but don't expect any good online play.
Starcraft is still easily the best RTS to date. Dawn of War is alright. Every race is the same. It's the retarded version of starcraft as is C&C 3.
Nobody puts quality into RTS as much as Blizzard. The races are completely different and very tactical. That's why the have Korean tournaments on the game, because no other RTS would work. Dawn of War has a pretty fun story that lasts one campaign per game, but don't expect any good online play.
Best online play for the WC games or even SC was mods.
Starcraft is still easily the best RTS to date. Dawn of War is alright. Every race is the same. It's the retarded version of starcraft as is C&C 3.
Nobody puts quality into RTS as much as Blizzard. The races are completely different and very tactical. That's why the have Korean tournaments on the game, because no other RTS would work. Dawn of War has a pretty fun story that lasts one campaign per game, but don't expect any good online play.
Not everything that Blizzard touches is gold...they're just smart enough to cancel it rather than release it when they realize it. And Ghost isn't the only project they've canned. There was an adventure game based on the Warcraft universe that was scrapped as well. I'm as big of a fan of Blizzard's as anyone, but to believe that only Blizzard can make a good RTS is to ignore the facts.
As for the other post, I'm not sure if that was an attempt at humor or what. Dark Crusade was released last year as was critically acclaimed Company of Heroes, both are by Relic. They've already announced CoH II. Personally I didn't care for CoH as much as DoW, but that's not the point anyway, the point was that Dawn of War is a very similar type of game to Starcraft that's very well done and Relic is getting the reputation of being the best RTS developer right now.
But don't believe me, download the demo and try it yourself.
A big-bad-boss-dude at blizzard said not long ago that it's time that Starcraft got a sequal (basicly what it means is they put a 2 at the end of the Starcraft name) cuz its been a few years since they released the original title. Now if it turns out to be so, clearly it will be an RTS since a 2 in the back of the name means it has a very slim chance of genre change. And they'd better make it an RTS because MMO titles tend to ask more from the players than they deliver, lately. So unless it's cutting edge groundbreaking voodoo stay away from the MMO genre blizzard or you'll ruin the starcraft universe aswell
MMmmmMMmmmMMmmmMmmmMm Blizzard + MMO ----- > smells like timesinks
Starcraft is still easily the best RTS to date. Dawn of War is alright. Every race is the same. It's the retarded version of starcraft as is C&C 3.
Nobody puts quality into RTS as much as Blizzard. The races are completely different and very tactical. That's why the have Korean tournaments on the game, because no other RTS would work. Dawn of War has a pretty fun story that lasts one campaign per game, but don't expect any good online play.
CnC 3 is in WCG07
DoW was in WCG06(Probably replaced by either CnC3 or AoEIII)
That said, starcraft and warcraft 3 are the two most skilled games. Every single aspect of skill can be used.
Starcraft is still easily the best RTS to date. Dawn of War is alright. Every race is the same. It's the retarded version of starcraft as is C&C 3.
Nobody puts quality into RTS as much as Blizzard. The races are completely different and very tactical. That's why the have Korean tournaments on the game, because no other RTS would work. Dawn of War has a pretty fun story that lasts one campaign per game, but don't expect any good online play.
CnC 3 is in WCG07
DoW was in WCG06(Probably replaced by either CnC3 or AoEIII)
That said, starcraft and warcraft 3 are the two most skilled games. Every single aspect of skill can be used.
Careful. That sounds suspisciously close to "Well if they sold X million copies, it MUST be good". LOL.
I've played all of Blizzard's RTS games and there's just as much skill involved in playing DoW as there is in any of the Blizzard RTS offerings. No doubt they are great games as well, but Starcraft is fast becoming dated and there are many that didn't think that War III was necessarily better than Starcraft or even War I or II for that matter (there's a few responses in this thread as a matter of fact). To each his own, all I suggest is that if you haven't tried it, you do. You might be surprised.
CnC3 and Sup Com are getting all the pub right now, but I believe that's mostly because of their reputations. They are not that great of games.
Now, you see : Cartoon graphics ruined most of the game's atmosphere in WoW, for me, look at the discrepancy between the cinematic's feel and the game's, or rather between it's RTS predecesors and itself, how do you succesfully RP a character that's supposed to inspire fear into the hearts of your enemies when your character looks like a wuss.
So if they want to make more money, with a starcraft MMORPG, they will appeal to a wide range of people and making it accesible means getting first and foremost a teen rating and that means no gore, lower violence level, and that takes from the game. Cartooney graphics and sci-fi starcraft uni. dont mix... but blizzard's butchers pulled it off before so it wouldn't come as a surprise if it happened.
If Taken Away and made into MMO Starcraft may do alright but only if Blizzard puts as much into it as Wow like the History and Lore into It as said before in some of the past posts. But as for now I believe they should proceed to do another RTS to get that Lore and Interest back into Starcraft. I believe that since WoW came out people have kinda forgotten about Starcraft but now that the WoW expansian has released and the past Failed attempts of a new SC that it has hyped people up enough that either way if it came out as an MMO or RTS that people would buy it just because.
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I really want a new starcraft RTS but i know that would be the hardest for them to do because of how good starcraft was. This is my opinion but i believe that starcraft is the best balanced RTS out there and is still played by alot of ppl (inculding me). To top that off would be difficult for them to do. The only way they could do it is with little changes to the races and maybe introduce the race that made protoss/ zerg.
Now starcraft as a MMORPG would be difficult because there is no real RPG element in starcraft. WoW could be RPG cause of warcraft 3 and the heros was very RPGish. Plus my biggest fear is that it would be a WoW clone, dont get me wrong WoW is a good game but is very simple. Plus how would the do PvP cause that is what starcraft would have to be basied on. In wow its more they dont like each other but hate the lich king, so it worked for them to have alot of PvE type content. In starcraft it would be difficult for them to do.
Now for a MMORTS that would be next to impossible to do. What would happen to your men/buildings when you log out. They dissapear? then you log in on your enemy. They become invinsible? then you make a solid wall to block the enemy for advanceing. They get controled by AI? Only way that would work is if you do a turtle defense. And then if it dont work you log in and you are wipped out and cant play anymore.
To me it only seams the best way(unless they go singleplayer type game) is MMOFPS with some RPG elements(like how well you are with a sniper will improve/unimprove you accuracy) with some minor RTS (terran example) like the ablity to call in a command center to establish a outpost to increase your races resourses. Actually IDEA TIME. have guilds (or whatever they want to call them in-game) be able to take outpost and call a command center and defended untill they think it can stand on its own by building a barracks that can make AI controlled marines that patroll the outpost. The game might be better off then being in third person but still primarly shotter basied. Protoss would be simple to do to such as start out as a zelot and maybe have a special dragoon that the living can enter (if you dont remeber dragoons are basicly almost dead protos put in the robotics of the dragoon to stay alive and still fight). The hardest thing would be zerg. Maybe they can do it where you evolve or somethin idk let game designers figure that out lol.
That is my two cents
EDIT: Also i notice some ppl say that WoW has alot of lore. My response is this: LOL. Sure it has alot of lore but they dont follow most of it. If i remeber you kill Illidan in Warcraft III and the darani i'm pretty sure you wiped them out in the expansion of Warcraft II.
I really do hope they make another RTS but i dont know if they will. If they dont come out with a RTS i hope its MMOFPS.
I'd prefer a Starcraft MMO, but since the new Blizzard game is first going to be announced at the Worldwide Invitational Tournament in South Korea, a country where Starcraft is renowned to be much like a national sport in the sense that Starcraft tournaments are still frequent over there, even to this day - what better place to announce a "Starcraft 2" than where people are the most interested in Starcraft?
Problem with Starcraft as a MMO, you will have no balance in the game, the vast majority will choose human over alien.
Hence you make pvp very unattractive. You are essentially limiting yourself to a blizzard like lame pvp environment. I like to pvp, but I never do it in Wow. Lamest excuse for pvp in the industry, bar none.
Problem with Starcraft as a MMO, you will have no balance in the game, the vast majority will choose human over alien.
I disagree with this. I actually think the opposite happen (aliens over humans). One way that they can fix this is do what they do in planetside, where you get an boost (cant remeber what it is in planetside) but a boost in xp or health or something that makes you want to go that side if you dont know what side to go on. There may still be some unbalanced in number of players per side but this would reduce it. Also if you do discurage PvP in a starcraft MMO it will be pointless. Starcraft in my opinion if MMO should be very much PvP basied in some way or fasion.
A big-bad-boss-dude at blizzard said not long ago that it's time that Starcraft got a sequal (basicly what it means is they put a 2 at the end of the Starcraft name) cuz its been a few years since they released the original title. Now if it turns out to be so, clearly it will be an RTS since a 2 in the back of the name means it has a very slim chance of genre change. And they'd better make it an RTS because MMO titles tend to ask more from the players than they deliver, lately. So unless it's cutting edge groundbreaking voodoo stay away from the MMO genre blizzard or you'll ruin the starcraft universe aswell
MMmmmMMmmmMMmmmMmmmMm Blizzard + MMO ----- > smells like timesinks
FFXI is an MMO where the rest of the series is in a different genre.
To me what makes Starcraft special is the balance of the 3 intelligent lifeform races. Add the fact that the strengths and weaknesses of each race are completely different and require different strategies. Just a well put together game.
One of the bigs keys to the next Starcraft game is that it must be balanced. Not sure if that will be easy for a Sci-Fi MMO. Personally I'd rather it be an RTS unless the MMO is a sandbox game.
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Agree 100%. Warcraft 3 was a piece of junk.
I'm thinking a Starcraft MMO is gonna be WoW with new graphics and models, and I'm not a big WoW fan, so RTS FTW!
Absinthe Lovers
Starcraft is a shining example on how to make a game easy to learn, but very difficult to master(just like warcraft 3)
I'd like for them to repeat the success.
FPSMMO, Starcraft:Ghost Online
I seriously doubt that Blizzard is going to be coming out with anything new in the near future. They have all their resources tied up into WoW right now and why not. They already released one expansion that's done terrific in sales and I believe they've already hinted at another one if they haven't already announced it. They took a swing at the Starcraft IP with Ghost and missed. That wound hasn't even healed yet. Now's not the right time.
For all you who want to see Starcraft II the RTS, you should be trying Dawn of War. Extremely well done RTS in the same vein as Starcraft. Better than both the much ballyhood CnC3 and Supreme Commander, just not as well known.
http://dawnofwargame.com/homepage.php
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
Nobody puts quality into RTS as much as Blizzard. The races are completely different and very tactical. That's why the have Korean tournaments on the game, because no other RTS would work. Dawn of War has a pretty fun story that lasts one campaign per game, but don't expect any good online play.
Best online play for the WC games or even SC was mods.
Not everything that Blizzard touches is gold...they're just smart enough to cancel it rather than release it when they realize it. And Ghost isn't the only project they've canned. There was an adventure game based on the Warcraft universe that was scrapped as well. I'm as big of a fan of Blizzard's as anyone, but to believe that only Blizzard can make a good RTS is to ignore the facts.
As for the other post, I'm not sure if that was an attempt at humor or what. Dark Crusade was released last year as was critically acclaimed Company of Heroes, both are by Relic. They've already announced CoH II. Personally I didn't care for CoH as much as DoW, but that's not the point anyway, the point was that Dawn of War is a very similar type of game to Starcraft that's very well done and Relic is getting the reputation of being the best RTS developer right now.
But don't believe me, download the demo and try it yourself.
I would rather have a Starcraft RTS. One thing that made Warcraft a great MMO was they had a lot of lore and history to build on.
With Starcraft being the only title so far I would rather see Blizzard develop more lore for the series before an MMO.
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at blizzard said not long ago that it's time that Starcraft got a sequal (basicly what it means is they put a 2 at the end of the Starcraft name) cuz its been a few years since they released the original title. Now if it turns out to be so, clearly it will be an RTS since a 2 in the back of the name means it has a very slim chance of genre change. And they'd better make it an RTS because MMO titles tend to ask more from the players than they deliver, lately. So unless it's cutting edge groundbreaking voodoo stay away from the MMO genre blizzard or you'll ruin the starcraft universe aswell 
MMmmmMMmmmMMmmmMmmmMm Blizzard + MMO ----- > smells like timesinks
DoW was in WCG06(Probably replaced by either CnC3 or AoEIII)
That said, starcraft and warcraft 3 are the two most skilled games. Every single aspect of skill can be used.
DoW was in WCG06(Probably replaced by either CnC3 or AoEIII)
That said, starcraft and warcraft 3 are the two most skilled games. Every single aspect of skill can be used.
Careful. That sounds suspisciously close to "Well if they sold X million copies, it MUST be good". LOL.
I've played all of Blizzard's RTS games and there's just as much skill involved in playing DoW as there is in any of the Blizzard RTS offerings. No doubt they are great games as well, but Starcraft is fast becoming dated and there are many that didn't think that War III was necessarily better than Starcraft or even War I or II for that matter (there's a few responses in this thread as a matter of fact). To each his own, all I suggest is that if you haven't tried it, you do. You might be surprised.
CnC3 and Sup Com are getting all the pub right now, but I believe that's mostly because of their reputations. They are not that great of games.
Now, you see : Cartoon graphics ruined most of the game's atmosphere in WoW, for me, look at the discrepancy between the cinematic's feel and the game's, or rather between it's RTS predecesors and itself, how do you succesfully RP a character that's supposed to inspire fear into the hearts of your enemies when your character looks like a wuss.
So if they want to make more money, with a starcraft MMORPG, they will appeal to a wide range of people and making it accesible means getting first and foremost a teen rating and that means no gore, lower violence level, and that takes from the game. Cartooney graphics and sci-fi starcraft uni. dont mix... but blizzard's butchers pulled it off before so it wouldn't come as a surprise if it happened.
If Taken Away and made into MMO Starcraft may do alright but only if Blizzard puts as much into it as Wow like the History and Lore into It as said before in some of the past posts. But as for now I believe they should proceed to do another RTS to get that Lore and Interest back into Starcraft. I believe that since WoW came out people have kinda forgotten about Starcraft but now that the WoW expansian has released and the past Failed attempts of a new SC that it has hyped people up enough that either way if it came out as an MMO or RTS that people would buy it just because.
Sataron
~I've said my piece.... Deal with it~
~Live and Let Live, But get in my way and I'll kill you...~
I really want a new starcraft RTS but i know that would be the hardest for them to do because of how good starcraft was. This is my opinion but i believe that starcraft is the best balanced RTS out there and is still played by alot of ppl (inculding me). To top that off would be difficult for them to do. The only way they could do it is with little changes to the races and maybe introduce the race that made protoss/ zerg.
Now starcraft as a MMORPG would be difficult because there is no real RPG element in starcraft. WoW could be RPG cause of warcraft 3 and the heros was very RPGish. Plus my biggest fear is that it would be a WoW clone, dont get me wrong WoW is a good game but is very simple. Plus how would the do PvP cause that is what starcraft would have to be basied on. In wow its more they dont like each other but hate the lich king, so it worked for them to have alot of PvE type content. In starcraft it would be difficult for them to do.
Now for a MMORTS that would be next to impossible to do. What would happen to your men/buildings when you log out. They dissapear? then you log in on your enemy. They become invinsible? then you make a solid wall to block the enemy for advanceing. They get controled by AI? Only way that would work is if you do a turtle defense. And then if it dont work you log in and you are wipped out and cant play anymore.
To me it only seams the best way(unless they go singleplayer type game) is MMOFPS with some RPG elements(like how well you are with a sniper will improve/unimprove you accuracy) with some minor RTS (terran example) like the ablity to call in a command center to establish a outpost to increase your races resourses. Actually IDEA TIME
That is my two cents
EDIT: Also i notice some ppl say that WoW has alot of lore. My response is this: LOL. Sure it has alot of lore but they dont follow most of it. If i remeber you kill Illidan in Warcraft III and the darani i'm pretty sure you wiped them out in the expansion of Warcraft II.
I really do hope they make another RTS but i dont know if they will. If they dont come out with a RTS i hope its MMOFPS.
Problem with Starcraft as a MMO, you will have no balance in the game, the vast majority will choose human over alien.
Hence you make pvp very unattractive. You are essentially limiting yourself to a blizzard like lame pvp environment. I like to pvp, but I never do it in Wow. Lamest excuse for pvp in the industry, bar none.
One of the bigs keys to the next Starcraft game is that it must be balanced. Not sure if that will be easy for a Sci-Fi MMO. Personally I'd rather it be an RTS unless the MMO is a sandbox game.
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