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Anyone who says Vanguard is not a good game has a slow , crappy computer........I played the game until LOTRO came out and found it to be alot of fun........Its not a finished, polished WOW killer, but its not as bad as everyone is saying.......To those people who feel burned I feel I have to say this.........You get what you pay for! READ everything you can about a game before you buy.....This game had OPEN BETA!!!!! You could have tried it out anytime you wanted to see what was up.........ITS YOUR FAULT!!!!Now goto the Warhammer website, sign up for beta and subscribe to the newsletter so you know when to start trying to acquire an open beta key......Id rather pay 7 bucks to fileplanet for a look into the game than 49 bucks to have it sit on the shelf..........Common Sense who knows, you might get into beta free.........
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......or better yet, pay attention to what a majority of players have to say about this piece of crap game and avoid it altogether. Save yourself the money and the headache. This game is as bad as what most people are saying, you are in the minority and therefore your point of view has less bearing. Most people have a good general sense on what makes a good game, its only hardcore twits like yourself that cannot see the forest for the trees.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I'm glad you found a game you enjoy, but if you read the reviews, very little of the negative comments come from the fact that this game had system specs that exceed your average gamer's machines. Sure, the lagginess was an initial hurdle, but most of the criticisms come from the fact that the world was empty and unfinished, there is no endgame content, and things seem to become even more barren and bland once you hit level 30 or so. Fortunately, the fact that this game was acquired by SOE and is out of the hands of the company that promised the world and delivered very little quieted many of the McQuaid apologists and V:SoH flamers. I think at this point, most people are waiting to see if SOE will flesh out this game and bring it to a point where some of the naysayers and those who felt shafted by Sigil will want to come back to it. SOE gave EQ2 a nice makeover, so if they do they same with V:SoH I'm sure someday this'll be a solid title with a decent player population.
Also, if you buy a game where you meet and exceed recommended system specs, and the game doesn't run properly, then it is also stealing and lying that what sigil has done.
What you are saying is, if i read that my neighbor is a crook, and still decide to move in next to him, it is my fault that he decides to brake the law by stealing from me?
Dude! Reality check, wake up, reassess your opinion, or go and hail to Brad!
Not to mention those who did actually upgrade's high end computer for vanguard sake even with 4 gigabyte of memory and 10,000 RPM HD found out otherwise. And where have all those 200,000+ players gone?.
And those who tried EQ2 with good-end computer nowaday can see within windows task manager that EQ2 only used up to 1/3 of the overall system cpu and yet still choppy and jittery. I want you all to look back again and see what that lameduck smedley said in interview explaining that EQ2 needed a high-end system to run smoothly?.
Jeeeeeesus pass me that crack pipe your smoking. You are kidding right ?!
This game is horribly unoptimised "thing" I have ever possibly experienced. The engine was (and very well perhaps still is) neither scalable, powerful or anything. I was playing on a mid range machine when the "beta" ( I refuse to call it that) came out. People upgraded there machines for this game and they still found the game bloomin awful. I've upgrade since then and I can tell you I bet it runs bloomin awful. I await the FREE trial. I'd never buy this game. I've seen it for less that 5 GBP too ! So thats saying something...
And there was no "open" beta only 10,000 keys to give away before that pretence of a final large scale beta test ended and they push this crap out onto the market....
But please pass me any narcotics you may be taking...
I don´t really agree on how the OP react with this topic tho i fully understand it as i also get sick of these people that really should not be playing these games
If you dont have hardware issues the game can be fun. Of course it depends on what you find fun.
Some people enjoy solo play, be it adventuring crafting or diplomacy. I've found all three to be rather boring. Adventuring is a slow boring grind on your own. Crafting at the best of times is monotonous repetition of work orders. Diplomacy is fun through the starting racial lines, then you hit the repetitive boring gameplay.
This game is actually pretty good when you have a group and are heading into a dungeon, sometimes it's not even bad duoing. But you need people to do those dungeons and it's hard to find them. If you can find a good guild that always has players on when you are on you could do ok. The low population works against this though.
I have a computer that exceeds the recommended specs and having the game on highest perfomance cities like Khal were nothing more than a slide show to me. That's why lotro is getting my dollars now. Just as pretty to look at, an actual community as opposed to a friggen ghost town and an actual story line that makes me feel like I'm part of something. (anyone who considers diplomacy "lore" is dead inside)
*cough* *cough* Reklaw wrote several things which made me thing hmmmm...
In my not so humble OPINION....
Theres a difference between optimised software that taking advantage of hardware features AND unoptimised software that doesn't take advantage of any hardware features. Vanguard isnt a masterpeice of technology advancement. Its unoptimised and buggy and as an example doesnt even support anti aliasing(!) So words like "too bad its a 8600" are worrying. An 8800 GTX will probably just suffer as badly running this code ( i doubt any of Geforce 8 series to work great with this game.. there just too new and would just CTD... some with a 8800 AND playing this game ... tell me). I think you need to seperate software, hardware, marketing and the purile need for young men to spend more money on hardware as companies write sloppier and sloppier games with rushed released dates. Seriously this is a major problem and wouldnt be so bad if the titles released were tightly written code and *good* gameplay. Often there not. Were being duped. ( I'm not going to say about how cheap/ expensive it is to upgrade as everyone is in a different boat there)
You may think I want a tecnological freeze. But what I actually want is scalable engine which fit the task nicely. LOTRO has a great engine. I cold play the game on minimum on a 4 year old computer. I mean thats good. On my main rig its ultra high settings all the way. VG doesn't offer this scalability at all. Its sluggish and clunky on all settings. Granted newer games may need an upgrade but working against this is a scalable engine. VG doesnt scale and doesnt even run faster on some setups !
And companies to greatly lower there system specs. This is often done my non technical marketing people and based on potential box shifting figures. There needs to be legistalation for this. I'd like to see independant testing... bit like M$ driver certification *spit*. At the moment VG's lowest spec is a lie. What is it ? I need a giggle....
In the end..... Software should not be used to drive hardware. Hardware should drive hardware through competition with other hardware.
my vanguard problems werent really hardware/software related. i had the same crappy lag in cities as everyone else. i coudl function well way from those places with high settings. it didnt run perfectly, and i had a glitch here and there, but it got better over time.
my main problem was all the other crap wrong with the game that never got fixed. like the grouping bugs. the xp/item loss bugs. the constant changes to game mechanics that werent broken. the unfinished areas. the low population. the solo-centric attitude of most players. the veiled grind fest. faction grinding. ezymode overpowered classes that let me solo mobs that were marked as group level challenge and also several levels higher than me, asshat resource node stealers.. areas designed around quests, that couldnt support more than one or two players. newbie areas that got turned into faction farm spots for high level players killing everything in sight.
retarded bs like never getting the boats to work properly, so they leave beta test teleport npcs in the game for people to use. on and on.
i tried to support the game, i tried not to feel cheated by how much the game had been whittled away from the game i had been hyped up to play by all the faq's and dev quotes. i tried to give the game a chance. in the end, on top of all the bugs, broken stuff, group problems, low pop, and boring and often broken content, i just found i wasnt having fun. i didnt feel any innovation or anything new about vg. it just seemed like another condensed, watered down version of games i had already played. there just wasnt enough there to make me want to solo my way through another 15 or so levels on my main, and i didnt have the heart to start yet another alt and do the newbie experience again.
i dont say that vanguard is not a good game. i just tell people, it wasnt good enough for me to want to keep playing. it wasnt that my pc wasnt good enough, it was just that the gameplay wasnt good enough, and the community wasnt big enough to support grouping if you were a pug typ of person.
i dont think soe will be able to make the game good enough to make me want to play it again.
It has been thoroughly documented and discussed that the minimum system requirements that Vanguard shipped with were extremely misleading. An average gamer looks at the minimum and recommended system requirements and if their system falls between those categories, they assume that at the least, the game will be playable.
They understand that they can't expect all the bells and whistles, but they expect that the game will be navigable, stable and that the basic game mechanics will be solid.
This simply wasn't the case with Vanguard. The minimum system requirements were far too low and in my personal opinion, it was negligent of Sigil to ship with those requirements. In all likelihood, Sigil knew that performance at or near the low end would be poor across the broad spectrum of their clients and that those clients would be unable to have stable performance and an enjoyable game play experience.
I would speculate that they shipped with those requirements so that they could sell more units in an attempt to recoup as much of their investment as possible from initial retail sales because they anticipated poor subscription retention.
In my book, that's negligence. They knowingly published erroneous information concerning the performance of their product. Their customers purchased the product based on requirements that the developer probably knew were false.
The customer is hardly at fault because the product fails to perform as advertised.
I agree that for avid gamers, the open beta is the perfect opportunity to test the game on your particular system. But there is no reason that the customer should have to pick up additional costs just to find out that the product's published system requirements are exaggerated. As customers, we should have the expectation that if a game (or any software) states that it requires a range of hardware in specific categories from a given low to mid range or higher and you meet or exceed those requirements, the software should perform correctly within that range.
The kind of thinking that places the blame on the buyer for shoddy software and negligent business practices is the reason that we (MMORPG players) as a community keep GETTING shoddy software.
Sigil was way ahead of the power curve compared to many other studios; they had a proven game engine, solid development capital, not one but two major publishers and five years of development time.
It is NOT the customer's fault that Sigil failed to produce a game that would perform as advertised. It is SIGIL'S fault.
Abbatoir / Abbatoir Cinq
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Asheron's Call / Asheron's Call 2
Everquest / Everquest 2
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Shadowbane
Dark Age of Camelot
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Then don't use a Laptop which actually uses more software to run the system then a desktop does. It is designed this way to make up for the smaller system board to make it into a laptop (aka portable computer)
5 years senior escalation tech for a subcontractor of Dell
btw ---- never buy a Dell
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
*ouch*.... Ok some points I pull out from my "epic" clash with reklaw above :
The series 8 issue.. which Im trying not to say too much about as its kind of OT
Yeah the 8800 has problems. Mostly solvable ones and mostly with badly written games in the first place ( I use Battlefeild 2142 ) as an example. Performance wise its slightly below the upper end of the 7 series but under directX 9. Though a wise man knows that software always lags behind the latest hardware in this respect. Fact is regardless directX 10 will come and replace directX 9 .. the directx9 feature on these cards is because no one would uptake directx 10 ONLY cards and vista. MMO's players in particular wont swap a leave a game for brand spanking directx10 newness ( were not that fickle right?). Hey ! I'm dubious of this but its M$ and they have a history of needless upgrading hardware with overtly pointless, bloated software ( why is Vista X Gigs now). But it was my choice to future proof a *bit more* with a 8800 card. I actually forget the reasons why I changed... someones card died and I gave them mine or did mine die and.. hmmm... (To redeem me and my M$ bootlicking ways I did also first thing make sure the 8800 works well in linux )
HOWEVER to say its a bad card series is a pretty big leap. 99% of my games work fine. WoW I couldn't care less about... I bet some kids had withdrawal symptoms
. Battlefeild 2142 lock ups are caused by its anti cheat scanning software ( which is uber annoying and always resident). and the rest is all yada yada.... most issues are now solved by new drivers and finding a specific cause.
With regard VG... this card should be providing a playable experience in equally matched systems. Heck a series 7 should do the same and series 6 should be great on medium or "a bit below medium". Its directX9. 8 series being slower then 7 seres under directx9. But the fact is whatever card or system 7 or 8 these cards good solid performers.... except with vanguard . As I say in my first post with the series 8 problems, I feel VG probably is still a few months behind. But they have other more important things to solve like.. overall performance across the board on all systems. Basic optimsations... whatever those code gurus need to do. Since VG is closed source we'll never really know.
VG is pushing the limits other games are not
For my short unholy time in VG I didnt see anything groundbreaking, I could be wrong. I doubt I am though. I wont say much here other than again say "medium" on VG was unplayable and medium on LOTRO was very playable on an old machine. And Hey I left LOTRO so I'm no fanboi... This isnt good. Release a graphically amazing game but if its not scalable and its an MMO you cna kiss a good % of subs good bye.
All new games need high specc'ed machines
Let me rephrase. Many companies make new games and promote them sheerly on the techincal nature and graphical elements. Ahem... gameplay is in a gutter somewhere dieing, possibly bleeding by now.
I wont say that technology is/should static but there is *too* much emphasis on how modern software is being made in a manner which needs newer hardware despite the fact it offers NOTHING new ( and sometimes didnt need such hardware anyways if just be wrote better.... time managed better.. released in a good state..... ). Sometimes even the graphical uberness of a game is hotly debated. However again gameplay be dammned. This is what I mean by software driving hardware. A prime example is the childish runs best on NVIDIA / ATI slash screens. What am I supposed to do ? Rip out my card everytime I load Black and White 2 and UT2007 ?!?!?!
Hardware should compete with other hardware to produce faster, better hardware that can be exploited by software ( I wont even start talking about standards here!). As it stands badly written software, unoptimsied is being used as a poor excuse to force more ( and often specific) hardware upgrades. VG is right in this zone I am afriad. Guilty as charged.
Driven is meant a economic and social force not a techincal one. Of course all hardware needs some kind of software, pity it has to be M$ Windows for games
In the end the result of the above is we upgrade and "throw away" old hardware when the fact is half the time the software people have not even caught up and made great optimised drivers or innovative cleverly written games using the power it has. Were a fickle lot and its being to tell.
( On a side note... if anyone remembers the long running 8 bit consoles. and 16bit Comps like... Atari / Amiga.. they really produced some amazing games for the hardware underneath.. because the software was so tightly written and ideas very original ). Like getting the works oh Shakepeare onto a postage stamp or something.
... ah the good old days.
Its a young industry
I could debate whether this is a young industry. Computing in general isnt. Home computing and gaming isnt. 3D MMO's perhaps. Though there roots are established in other things ( MUDS,MUCKS and other geeky thing I dare not touch.. no offense anyone!). Software design is most certainly NOT a young industry. Young or not, the standards set in VG are bad. This isnt some new world where last week we all played ball in the street and this week were playing on our new fangled magic-o-puter. Nope VG was not born in a vacuum of creative orginality. Its just badly made and in a very unforgiving market.
You see how on my big long rambley post above I avoided saying to much on "VG is groundbreaking issues". I guess it because groundbreaking is quite subjective and is dependant on prior games you have played. MMORPG's are also a tad cliche overall so its hard to say.
But if I am honest I too am not sure what is groundbreaking. with VG Releasing the game in a massively bad state ? the level of un mellowdrama melodrama??
I am sure some one will saying something !
I can score about 10k on 3d mark and this game does not run fine on my comp. It does not like my 8800 series and I will freeze for 2-3 seconds every so often. My buddies with decent computers but not as good as mine can run it better. With that aside I do enjoy the game until AoC and WAR come out.
Thanks Serno for the feedback. I was worried someone would say that. I know one person isnt a great sample to make a decision on but I'm too lazy to start my own thread on this issue.
My 3Dmark test came out at 16997 game works fine for me. I run at high texture balanced just have some hitching at towns and such
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
Well like someone said earlier, the game is like the lottery, you are going to win and have it play good on your system or lose and have it play crappy. It seems like its not really depending on what kind of high end or low end system you are running it on, but if it just gets along with your pc or not. I run vista and 8800 series and I get hitches and lockups quite frequently. My processor is decent amd X2 5600 overclocked a tad up to 3.0 and I do have issues running VG.
Yeah right. Regardles if you have a computer that can run this oversized thing, it still doesn't change the fact its a bland and uninteresting world filled with virtually all bland and uninteresting content.