AgtSmith Nvidia 8XXX Cards are all DX10, or CAN be. I don't know about each manufacture, but the chipsets used are DX10 compatible with the right drivers. The lowest 8400GS is DX10, 8600 and the 8800 are all DX10. Thats why Nivida makes different series of cards, to distinguish them from one another. 9 series cards will be dx10 also, which looks like we might see in December.
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AgtSmith Nvidia 8XXX Cards are all DX10, or CAN be. I don't know about each manufacture, but the chipsets used are DX10 compatible with the right drivers. The lowest 8400GS is DX10, 8600 and the 8800 are all DX10. Thats why Nivida makes different series of cards, to distinguish them from one another. 9 series cards will be dx10 also, which looks like we might see in December.
I just know from experience that the lowest of the lines is often a re-branded card from the prior generation. With prior series from both ATI and NVIDIA the lower end of a series was just a rework of the prior series card - of course this didn't mean a change in DX version because for so long DX9 has been the standard. This may not be true with the 8 series though, I will defer to waht anyone else says on that line in particular.
Back to Vista and DX10 - still want to ignore the fact that Vista has SERIOUS issues? Check this out:
While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system savior we've all been waiting for, it has turned out to be one of the biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are inexcusable and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux playbook, Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.
The first indication that Microsoft should abandon Vista is its poor sales figures. According to a recent report titled "Windows Vista Still Underperforming in U.S. Retail" from NPD, Vista sales are significantly behind XP sales during its early days. Even worse for Redmond, some are reverting to XP, citing issues with compatibility and overall design. And if that wasn't enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.
With each passing day, it's becoming blatantly clear that Microsoft released Vista too early and the company's continual mistakes and promises that can't be kept are further annoying the Windows faithful.
Vista, and therefore DX10, has very serious problems - not just with its code and performance but with people's perception of it and their acceptance of it. Personal preference aside, only a fool would argue this reality.
Oh well I'll stick with Vista x64. Has run everything I've tried on it.
Heard all this song and dance before when XP came out. Lack of compatability, NTFS is slower than FAT32, drivers suck, takes more memory, more hard drive space, hate the new start menu..... oh the list was long. It was such a step up from Win98SE and ME that no one liked it. No one trusted taking the dive after ME. blah blah blah....
Will you be posting on forums 5-7 years from now how Vista is solid and people should not upgrade to Vienna? I mean you can google, "Vista sales are up" and get tons of positive articles, and you can google, "Vista sales are down" and get negative articles. Take your pick which one you want to believe.
My experience with Vista x64 has been a positive one and I don't feel I've left anything behind by switching over other. I'm sticking with Vista x64 and plan to see a better visual experience in AoC with DX10 and other games down the line.
If you cannot recognize and acknowledge the issues with Vista and the vast difference between the change from Windows 9x to XP and now from XP to Vista then you are just not that knowledgeable in the area of computers.
9x to XP had issues for sure - but those issue in the short term where far, far outweighed by the new capabilities and entirely new kernel that was XP - much of what we consider daily tasks on computers would simply not be possible on a 9x machine. Compare that to Vista VS XP where the only real difference in terms of technological capability are some new GP objects, some built in DRM, and DX10 - hardly essential to much of anything anyone does. So for all the trouble of the change to Vista you get, well, just about nothing compared to what you get with XP - thus its failure.
As for 5 or 7 years from now - Vista will be but a distant memory much like Millennium is now. Vista was not completed as many of the key features (most all in fact) where dropped to get it shipped, in the end it shipped because it had to and not because anyone wanted it or because anyone needed it or because it represented an advancement in any technlogy. Even the one thing it has that might be considered a valid advancement, DX 10, is perfectly capable of running on XP but for the need for MS to make it Vista only for marketing purposes. If that doesn't illustrate the lack of real advancement in Vista then I don't know what does. Windows 7 (formely Vienna) will be out in 2009 and it will be what Vista was intended to be, although, there is allways the chance that MS mucks it up as they mucked up Vista I suppose.
I look at it this way. Every OS that comes out, People complain that it isn’t what it's supposed to be. You can’t please every one. People talk about bugs with Vista, I don’t see them unless I try to run an out dated program that should be updated any way. I like Vista, I have no Issues with it even though all the bells and whistles aren’t working yet. I am a person who likes to move forward and enjoy the Changes. Some good Some Bad.
I am Old school from the days of DOS. And when 95 came out. I heard the same thing and with 98, ME, XP. It’s the same thing over and Over.
So. If you enjoy Vista, Great, if you Don't, That’s fine too, Enjoy your XP.
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AgtSmith Nvidia 8XXX Cards are all DX10, or CAN be. I don't know about each manufacture, but the chipsets used are DX10 compatible with the right drivers. The lowest 8400GS is DX10, 8600 and the 8800 are all DX10. Thats why Nivida makes different series of cards, to distinguish them from one another. 9 series cards will be dx10 also, which looks like we might see in December.
Also discussed on the official forums: http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=40358
I just know from experience that the lowest of the lines is often a re-branded card from the prior generation. With prior series from both ATI and NVIDIA the lower end of a series was just a rework of the prior series card - of course this didn't mean a change in DX version because for so long DX9 has been the standard. This may not be true with the 8 series though, I will defer to waht anyone else says on that line in particular.
Back to Vista and DX10 - still want to ignore the fact that Vista has SERIOUS issues? Check this out:
While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system savior we've all been waiting for, it has turned out to be one of the biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are inexcusable and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux playbook, Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.
The first indication that Microsoft should abandon Vista is its poor sales figures. According to a recent report titled "Windows Vista Still Underperforming in U.S. Retail" from NPD, Vista sales are significantly behind XP sales during its early days. Even worse for Redmond, some are reverting to XP, citing issues with compatibility and overall design. And if that wasn't enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.
With each passing day, it's becoming blatantly clear that Microsoft released Vista too early and the company's continual mistakes and promises that can't be kept are further annoying the Windows faithful.
Vista, and therefore DX10, has very serious problems - not just with its code and performance but with people's perception of it and their acceptance of it. Personal preference aside, only a fool would argue this reality.
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Oh well I'll stick with Vista x64. Has run everything I've tried on it.
Heard all this song and dance before when XP came out. Lack of compatability, NTFS is slower than FAT32, drivers suck, takes more memory, more hard drive space, hate the new start menu..... oh the list was long. It was such a step up from Win98SE and ME that no one liked it. No one trusted taking the dive after ME. blah blah blah....
Will you be posting on forums 5-7 years from now how Vista is solid and people should not upgrade to Vienna? I mean you can google, "Vista sales are up" and get tons of positive articles, and you can google, "Vista sales are down" and get negative articles. Take your pick which one you want to believe.
My experience with Vista x64 has been a positive one and I don't feel I've left anything behind by switching over other. I'm sticking with Vista x64 and plan to see a better visual experience in AoC with DX10 and other games down the line.
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If you cannot recognize and acknowledge the issues with Vista and the vast difference between the change from Windows 9x to XP and now from XP to Vista then you are just not that knowledgeable in the area of computers.
9x to XP had issues for sure - but those issue in the short term where far, far outweighed by the new capabilities and entirely new kernel that was XP - much of what we consider daily tasks on computers would simply not be possible on a 9x machine. Compare that to Vista VS XP where the only real difference in terms of technological capability are some new GP objects, some built in DRM, and DX10 - hardly essential to much of anything anyone does. So for all the trouble of the change to Vista you get, well, just about nothing compared to what you get with XP - thus its failure.
As for 5 or 7 years from now - Vista will be but a distant memory much like Millennium is now. Vista was not completed as many of the key features (most all in fact) where dropped to get it shipped, in the end it shipped because it had to and not because anyone wanted it or because anyone needed it or because it represented an advancement in any technlogy. Even the one thing it has that might be considered a valid advancement, DX 10, is perfectly capable of running on XP but for the need for MS to make it Vista only for marketing purposes. If that doesn't illustrate the lack of real advancement in Vista then I don't know what does. Windows 7 (formely Vienna) will be out in 2009 and it will be what Vista was intended to be, although, there is allways the chance that MS mucks it up as they mucked up Vista I suppose.
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I look at it this way. Every OS that comes out, People complain that it isn’t what it's supposed to be. You can’t please every one. People talk about bugs with Vista, I don’t see them unless I try to run an out dated program that should be updated any way. I like Vista, I have no Issues with it even though all the bells and whistles aren’t working yet. I am a person who likes to move forward and enjoy the Changes. Some good Some Bad.
I am Old school from the days of DOS. And when 95 came out. I heard the same thing and with 98, ME, XP. It’s the same thing over and Over.
So. If you enjoy Vista, Great, if you Don't, That’s fine too, Enjoy your XP.
And today, as I said they would have to do, MS announced the extension of Windows XP's lifecycle. Yeah, Vista isn't floundering.
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