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  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by Precusor


    Why would any one want to play a mmo on a console?
     Why not?  Right now I am back into my console more then my PC, I love the fact that technology advances, but I in the process of doing some repairs on other things right now, and I don't want to spend the money to upgrade my video card, and my operating system in the very near future. Even my processor is now becomming the minimum system requirements.

     My console doesn't run into those problems for years.  Not to mention then I get to play a MMO on my big screen while kicked back on my very comfy bed with the frame that goes up to put you in more of a sitting postion.....you can't beat that.

    Not so nice guy!

  • PalancePalance Member Posts: 36

    Originally posted by rockum


    Well for me... my keyboard is plug in threw the UPS and as well as my Mouse. And the Xbox 360 does have 2 UPS Ports ...i havent try'd it yet but my guess is that if i plugged them in it would work fine? ...Because if you ask me ... insted of going out and buyin all this hardware for my computer and insted just buy the game..no downloading time..just plug and play and be able to set up my keybord and mouse..well i would be just happy with that. Plus for everone who so against Console MMO's....it would be just like facing someone on the computer because they are using a mouse and a keyboard.
     

    Here is the problem.  You are limited by your console, not just by graphics, speed, memory, so forth, but just by lack of every quality a computer has.  The game would have to be dumbed down to meet the requirements of a 360, which now is nothing but a little laptop with a controller attachment. 

    A guy playing from a 360 in a group would be like your retarded, slow friend that you have to wait for when going out somewhere.

    If they do let consoles play in games, you'd be on a totally different server from the rest of the real game and only play with other 360'ers.  That'd be fine by me, but I'd rather the team put their effort into the actual PC game than to worry about you few 360 guys.

    And whoever said the PC is dead, well its not.  We just have this ass called Bill Gates that wants to Monopolize everything that has to do with PC's, its the reason why MAC can't run games...because Gates owns every software to run them and no one wants to take the hard route and make a new system for MAC.

    Personally I think Windows bites the big one and VISTA I'll never own....Hopefully someone will free us from Gates.  The man that sends spyware through his own WIndows updates to make sure your doing what your told.

    But as far as computers, there is no limit to what they can do right now.  Not even comparable to a console.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    Originally posted by Palance  
     
    Here is the problem.  You are limited by your console, not just by graphics, speed, memory, so forth, but just by lack of every quality a computer has.  The game would have to be dumbed down to meet the requirements of a 360, which now is nothing but a little laptop with a controller attachment. 
    A guy playing from a 360 in a group would be like your retarded, slow friend that you have to wait for when going out somewhere.
    If they do let consoles play in games, you'd be on a totally different server from the rest of the real game and only play with other 360'ers.  That'd be fine by me, but I'd rather the team put their effort into the actual PC game than to worry about you few 360 guys.
    And whoever said the PC is dead, well its not.  We just have this ass called Bill Gates that wants to Monopolize everything that has to do with PC's, its the reason why MAC can't run games...because Gates owns every software to run them and no one wants to take the hard route and make a new system for MAC.
    Personally I think Windows bites the big one and VISTA I'll never own....Hopefully someone will free us from Gates.  The man that sends spyware through his own WIndows updates to make sure your doing what your told.
    But as far as computers, there is no limit to what they can do right now.  Not even comparable to a console.

    Have you seen modern consoles?

    Xbox 360 is a $2,000 gaming computer for less then $400

    PS3 is about the same.

    Yes, they can't do many of the things PC's do, but for gaming, HELLO they are built for gaming.

    I think somebody has a case of the "it's cool to be agaist the MAN" syndrome.

  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by Palance


     
     
     
    Here is the problem.  You are limited by your console, not just by graphics, speed, memory, so forth, but just by lack of every quality a computer has.  The game would have to be dumbed down to meet the requirements of a 360, which now is nothing but a little laptop with a controller attachment. 
    A guy playing from a 360 in a group would be like your retarded, slow friend that you have to wait for when going out somewhere.
    If they do let consoles play in games, you'd be on a totally different server from the rest of the real game and only play with other 360'ers.  That'd be fine by me, but I'd rather the team put their effort into the actual PC game than to worry about you few 360 guys.
    And whoever said the PC is dead, well its not.  We just have this ass called Bill Gates that wants to Monopolize everything that has to do with PC's, its the reason why MAC can't run games...because Gates owns every software to run them and no one wants to take the hard route and make a new system for MAC.
    Personally I think Windows bites the big one and VISTA I'll never own....Hopefully someone will free us from Gates.  The man that sends spyware through his own WIndows updates to make sure your doing what your told.
    But as far as computers, there is no limit to what they can do right now.  Not even comparable to a console.
     Here is your typical pulling an answer out of your butt without actually reading anything.

     The xbox 360 is fully capable of useing a keyboard and a mouse just like a PC OMG!

     My xbox 360 is more powerful then my current PC which has hadled the beta test for several of the recently upcomming MMO's.

     And FFXI has PC players on the same server as PS2 <yes, the out dated generation of console> players. And the play together just fine. I had FFXI on PC and PS2 useing the same accounts, and people I grouped with could not tell you which system I was on.

     And few Xbox 360 owners? You are talking millions of them.

    Not so nice guy!

  • cptbollockcptbollock Member Posts: 61

    Welli have both a 360 and a gaming PC but  i use the  360 more for gaming.On the subject of ported games what about Assassins Creed,Gears of War which have been ported from the 360 to PC.The fact is console are catching the PC's up when it comes to gaming and with AOC on it's way , the gap is closing even more

    While PC have alot more features than consoles,the debate is really about games, not which system can run Phototshop or microsoft Office.Although the PC is better for RTS and MMO's right now the gap is closing

  • cptbollockcptbollock Member Posts: 61

     

    Originally posted by lordtwisted


     
    Originally posted by Palance


     
     
     
    Here is the problem.  You are limited by your console, not just by graphics, speed, memory, so forth, but just by lack of every quality a computer has.  The game would have to be dumbed down to meet the requirements of a 360, which now is nothing but a little laptop with a controller attachment. 
    A guy playing from a 360 in a group would be like your retarded, slow friend that you have to wait for when going out somewhere.
    If they do let consoles play in games, you'd be on a totally different server from the rest of the real game and only play with other 360'ers.  That'd be fine by me, but I'd rather the team put their effort into the actual PC game than to worry about you few 360 guys.
    And whoever said the PC is dead, well its not.  We just have this ass called Bill Gates that wants to Monopolize everything that has to do with PC's, its the reason why MAC can't run games...because Gates owns every software to run them and no one wants to take the hard route and make a new system for MAC.
    Personally I think Windows bites the big one and VISTA I'll never own....Hopefully someone will free us from Gates.  The man that sends spyware through his own WIndows updates to make sure your doing what your told.
    But as far as computers, there is no limit to what they can do right now.  Not even comparable to a console.
     Here is your typical pulling an answer out of your butt without actually reading anything.

     

     The xbox 360 is fully capable of useing a keyboard and a mouse just like a PC OMG!

     My xbox 360 is more powerful then my current PC which has hadled the beta test for several of the recently upcomming MMO's.

     And FFXI has PC players on the same server as PS2 <yes, the out dated generation of console> players. And the play together just fine. I had FFXI on PC and PS2 useing the same accounts, and people I grouped with could not tell you which system I was on.

     And few Xbox 360 owners? You are talking millions of them.

     

    7.1 million are subscribed to xbox live as of August 2007 and that was before the release of Halo

  • oakaeoakae Member UncommonPosts: 344



    Have you seen modern consoles?
    Xbox 360 is a $2,000 gaming computer for less then $400
    PS3 is about the same.
    Yes, they can't do many of the things PC's do, but for gaming, HELLO they are built for gaming.
    I think somebody has a case of the "it's cool to be agaist the MAN" syndrome.
    Thats exaggerating a bit but you only need around $700 to build a PC with graphics that are at least equal to a 360 or PS3.


    IGN also lists WAR under the 360 and PS3 sections so I'm guessing Mythic has said something about thinking of porting it over.

    I wouldn't mind playing with a PS3 or 360 player since they'll probably use keyboard/mouse. Unless the systems under perform causing lag of some sort that affects game play, I don't see a problem for MMOs on consoles.

  • EkibiogamiEkibiogami Member UncommonPosts: 2,154

    As long as its a Different server then im good with it.

    I Allways hatted playing with Ps2 Owners in FFXI.

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  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570
    Originally posted by Ekibiogami


    As long as its a Different server then im good with it.
    I Allways hatted playing with Ps2 Owners in FFXI.



     Explain this! I played FFXI on both PC, and PS2, and nobody in the game could tell which system I was on at any given time. There was absolutly no problems!

    Not so nice guy!

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    Originally posted by Ekibiogami


    As long as its a Different server then im good with it.
    I Allways hatted playing with Ps2 Owners in FFXI.
    imagine playing with xbl players..

    www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/136470.html

  • ahacahac Member Posts: 8

    I don't know how this will be in possible Warhammer... but in WoW I have about 20 addons which I use. My UI is totaly changed, I can scan the auction house to have all prices in my item tooltips, in raid everyone can see how much aggro he has, I can compare my dps to others and see every statistic possible. I get alerts and timers while fighting bosses (the game difficulty is based on people using addons), etc etc...

    I update them with 2 different programs or manually by downloading and unziping files into the game folder.

    Our guild is also using Ventrilo to chat, while others use Teamspeak and some use ingame voicechat.

    Ofc.. I'm also chating on irc or checking wowhead while alt-tabbed.

    When I can do all that on a console.. then it might be ready for mmos.

     

  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by ahac


    I don't know how this will be in possible Warhammer... but in WoW I have about 20 addons which I use. My UI is totaly changed, I can scan the auction house to have all prices in my item tooltips, in raid everyone can see how much aggro he has, I can compare my dps to others and see every statistic possible. I get alerts and timers while fighting bosses (the game difficulty is based on people using addons), etc etc...
    I update them with 2 different programs or manually by downloading and unziping files into the game folder.
    Our guild is also using Ventrilo to chat, while others use Teamspeak and some use ingame voicechat.
    Ofc.. I'm also chating on irc or checking wowhead while alt-tabbed.
    When I can do all that on a console.. then it might be ready for mmos.
     
     So more or less, because you can't enjoy a game with out a bunch of  additional programs running, then you don't think Xbox users should play? That makes no sense.

     If you want to use a computer, use a computer, but that still doesn't explain why xobox users can't play with you, only why you won't use an Xbox.

     and voice over XBL is so much clearer then vent, or TS.

    Not so nice guy!

  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by Precusor


     
    Originally posted by Ekibiogami


    As long as its a Different server then im good with it.
    I Allways hatted playing with Ps2 Owners in FFXI.
    imagine playing with xbl players..

     

    www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/136470.html

     This is as bad as being racist. You are putting all xbox live users in this group. This is actually a small part of  xbox users, and of that smaller part, most of those are FPS type players, not RPG.

     On top of that, most of them talk that way due to the open mic in front of thier faces, and feel some sort of power gain over it, when in it is funny because in most games the only people that can hear you at this point are your team mates. I typically give these players poor reviews if I get stuck with on on my team.

     In an MMO you would have little to worry about because most of these trash talkers won't play an MMO, and those that do, most likely won't have an open mic to talk into in a MMO, and won't take the time to type thier hateful words. Those that do, won't be any more common then those that infest the current MMO market.

    Not so nice guy!

  • ahacahac Member Posts: 8

    Originally posted by lordtwisted
    So more or less, because you can't enjoy a game with out a bunch of  additional programs running, then you don't think Xbox users should play? That makes no sense.
     
     If you want to use a computer, use a computer, but that still doesn't explain why xobox users can't play with you, only why you won't use an Xbox.

    Sure.. you can enjoy a game like WoW without the addons.. but you can't raid with our ... or any other serious raiding guild.

    And if Warhammer won't support addons then it will have trouble getting the hardcore players who are used to addons by now.

  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    Originally posted by rockum
    Well for me... my keyboard is plug in threw the UPS and as well as my Mouse. And the Xbox 360 does have 2 UPS Ports ...i havent try'd it yet but my guess is that if i plugged them in it would work fine? ...Because if you ask me ... insted of going out and buyin all this hardware for my computer and insted just buy the game..no downloading time..just plug and play and be able to set up my keybord and mouse..well i would be just happy with that. Plus for everone who so against Console MMO's....it would be just like facing someone on the computer because they are using a mouse and a keyboard.

    In case you wanted to know...UPS is a battery backup/surge protector you can plug your pc, monitor, etc. into. (and I suggest everyone get one.)

    I believe you mean USB.

    D.

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  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    Originally posted by Consensus
    LOL.
    MY PC died. your PC is still great - ok?
     
    This just shows you can't mention a console without a big us vs them style flame war.
    PC gaming is very alive and I am jealous that I cannot afford a rig right now. So please keep the rest of that PC elitist bollocks off my thread its not what its about.


    Pwnd.

    D.

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  • TekkamanTekkaman Member UncommonPosts: 158

    Hardcore? More like people who are afraid to use their own skills and do things manually. Even with UO:Assist, Ultima Online was a lot of manual input that determined your skill. Do you really need things to tell you when something is going to happen or should you have to figure it out on your own or use your own "clock" in your head to defeat the boss? People just have their hands held these days, it's as simple as that. People blow through instances like no tomorrow because it really is not a challenge.

     

    As for XBOX getting MMOs, it's hard to say what you will get. The games must be specifically made to allow console API's or at least be slated to use them so that consoles can connect with PC gamers. PS2 was able to accomplish this in FFXI and just because they were on PS2 did not make them any worse than their PC counterparts.

     

    Good luck  getting it though, I really do not think it will happen truthfully. Age of Conan is your best bet and I believe you have to wait about a year or so after the game is released for PC before it comes onto the 360.

  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556

    I have trouble fitting WoW and "hardcore" in the same sentence...it just doesn't sound right.

    Now, WoW and "EZ Mode" I can see....


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  • DrunkenPreyDrunkenPrey Member Posts: 122

    They'd probably have to completely overhaul the interface so I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. AoC is more likely because it looks kind of twitch based in combat which lends itself better to console controls than having tons of hotkeys.

    Plus how many people actually would play a MMO on a console? You're already paying your Live subscription which is what $60-80 a year (UK here so I don't know) then you'd have to pay an additional $15-20 on top of that for WAR, I can't see many people being willing to do it.

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  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    Originally posted by DrunkenPrey
    They'd probably have to completely overhaul the interface so I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. AoC is more likely because it looks kind of twitch based in combat which lends itself better to console controls than having tons of hotkeys.
    Plus how many people actually would play a MMO on a console? You're already paying your Live subscription which is what $60-80 a year (UK here so I don't know) then you'd have to pay an additional $15-20 on top of that for WAR, I can't see many people being willing to do it.


    You'd be surprised at how much money people throw away....

    I think many times people are less customers and more marks to be fleeced.

    D.

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  • erandurerandur Member Posts: 727

    It is programmed in C++, so it'll only be playable on windows and Xbox (360). So it probably is compatible. BUT, how are you planning on communicating? You'll buy a vent server to communicate with everyone? And how are you going to give your server ip to someone else? You could go to your PC, and give it to your group members, then go back to the Xbox to play with your group....

    Doesn't sound that realistic, companies might make a Xbox 360 version of their games, communication will remain a problem. No matter what they promise .

    You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.

  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by ahac


     
    Originally posted by lordtwisted
    So more or less, because you can't enjoy a game with out a bunch of  additional programs running, then you don't think Xbox users should play? That makes no sense.
     
     If you want to use a computer, use a computer, but that still doesn't explain why xobox users can't play with you, only why you won't use an Xbox.

     

    Sure.. you can enjoy a game like WoW without the addons.. but you can't raid with our ... or any other serious raiding guild.

    And if Warhammer won't support addons then it will have trouble getting the hardcore players who are used to addons by now.

     But just because you use add ons, means everyone has to? I very rarly download add ons for MMO's, I don't need them. I am not into the raiding side, so maybe that is why.

     But not everyone on your current server uses the add ons, so why should you exclude xbox players from your game/server? Besides that xbox had download capability, and a hard drive, I am sure someone would write the add ons to run on xbox too.

    Not so nice guy!

  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by erandur


    It is programmed in C++, so it'll only be playable on windows and Xbox (360). So it probably is compatible. BUT, how are you planning on communicating? You'll buy a vent server to communicate with everyone? And how are you going to give your server ip to someone else? You could go to your PC, and give it to your group members, then go back to the Xbox to play with your group....
    Doesn't sound that realistic, companies might make a Xbox 360 version of their games, communication will remain a problem. No matter what they promise .
     Actually xbox live communication is superior to ventrillo, or Team Speak. We have full function voice, mail, instant messageing, etc... I am sure it will be reasonable.

    As for the rest  of the ideas.

     WAR and AOC are both being worked on for the Xbox 360, like it or not. AoC had claim it wil be 6 months to a year after the release of the PC version, which to me, say, they don't have to change very much, and probablly none of it actually gaming, but just codeing.

       WAR on the other hand, got the green light to develope for the Xbox 360, and mentioned that they were pretty set on it, but has not mentioned a release date.

     Nieter game developer has stated anything as to seperate servers or not. So at this point there is no telling.

     But don't under estimate the 360 with out a little reading. It is fully capable of running the games, it's what it was made for, it has access to the internet, and can handle a keyboard and a mouse, even has a headset for conversation.

     It is a PC, and it's only real limits, is that it has limited upgrades. and it's superior operating system, developed by microsoft, yet it doesn't run windows!

    Not so nice guy!

  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570

    Originally posted by DrunkenPrey


    They'd probably have to completely overhaul the interface so I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. AoC is more likely because it looks kind of twitch based in combat which lends itself better to console controls than having tons of hotkeys.
    Plus how many people actually would play a MMO on a console? You're already paying your Live subscription which is what $60-80 a year (UK here so I don't know) then you'd have to pay an additional $15-20 on top of that for WAR, I can't see many people being willing to do it.
     I can use a keyboard and mouse on my xbox, I don't have to use a console style control.

    A ton of people would play an MMO on the xbox 360, xbox live gold is $49.99 a year or something like that. Xbox live silver is free. So you don't have to pay for xbox live.

     So for running an MMO, you would be fine on cost.

    Not so nice guy!

  • PalancePalance Member Posts: 36
    Originally posted by cptbollock


     
    Originally posted by lordtwisted


     


     Here is your typical pulling an answer out of your butt without actually reading anything.
     
     The xbox 360 is fully capable of useing a keyboard and a mouse just like a PC OMG!
     My xbox 360 is more powerful then my current PC which has hadled the beta test for several of the recently upcomming MMO's.
     And FFXI has PC players on the same server as PS2 <yes, the out dated generation of console> players. And the play together just fine. I had FFXI on PC and PS2 useing the same accounts, and people I grouped with could not tell you which system I was on.
     And few Xbox 360 owners? You are talking millions of them.

     

    7.1 million are subscribed to xbox live as of August 2007 and that was before the release of Halo

     

    Yeah 7.1 million ok and probably  less than 1% are willing to play this game on their xbox.  Then you look at the 67 million that play fantasy mmo's.  Not including everyone that plays online games.

     

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