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Charisi
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I have been reading over the posts about the game that everyone has been posting since the NDA was lifted, and WOW! I was one that was very anxiously keeping an eye on this game. I'm and old disgruntled swg vet, still looking for a fun game to play. I'm sick to death of fantasy, so this was looking like my light at the end of the tunnel. Then two things happened, (or rather didn't for one). For starters, the game is supposed to come out in what, less than a month now? So, I take that to mean they aren't gonna do an open beta, in terms of, invite everyone in to check it out. This is disappointing to me, as I refuse to buy MMO's, unless I can beta it or play a trial first. I've thrown to much money away on crappy games that I didn't play before I bought, (Vanguard, yay!), and will not do it again. This to me is also a bad sign. Open beta should be a crowning moment of, "hey come in and check out the awesomeness we made!", I mean, just look at WoW. I hate referencing that game, but cmon, its still setting records after almost 3 years.
Secondly, I read all the posts from beta testers here. I must say I had high hopes for this game, and it is really sad that they took a good idea and threw it in the toilet from the sounds of it. I too will wait until it is F2P, as others here are doing. It is sad that developers for the most part are still stuck in the, "let's copy WoW" mode, and we can't get a good game to come out, (still crossing my fingers for AoC), that is even slightly original. Plus, I'd love to see Blizzard fall from grace. I don't care for them one bit. Blizzard pre-WoW was awesome. Blizzard post-WoW is arrogant and tyrannical. Anyway, thats a rant for another day, heh. Just wanted to throw in my two cents.
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Go tot he TR store toss out 5 dollars (cost of video game rental) and try it out for a month. Granted you can only play on certain times during the week and over the weekend. But the game is so easy if it was 24/7 and people got to see level 50 I dont think this game would even make it to launch rofl.
Game is nothing like WoW to date as a level 42 sniper (cap is 50) there isnt one instance over world mob that takes a group. It is 100% solo.
just wait 2-3 months after launch and try the free trial, they'll be dieing for ppl at that point, they will HAVE to have one! getting the preorder for 5 bucks isn't a bad idea either, but given the extra couple of months they might fix a few things and you'll have a better chance of likeing it...
as for waiting for it to be a "free to play", don't count on it, as ncsoft has said in the past (and held true to) their games are either made to be free to play from the start or will never be ftp. it's a stupid stance to take and i know alot of ppl that would like to see ncsoft to eat those words, but my guess is a year from now tr will be closing and ncsoft will have their next tax writeoff...
If you didn't like swg's nge type combat then you won't like this game. NGE combat is the closest thing I can think of to describe what TR's combat is like.
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TR plays way too much like SWG:NGE version to me. Played in beta for quite some time and tried really hard to like it, but eventually uninstalled. Boring pewpew. Never felt like I was accomplishing anything as the quests, to me, were very cut/paste. Don't like it and won't touch it even if/when it becomes FTP.
But if you buy all the games that sound good, you also might end up missing out on something you would really enjoy. That and rent.
To the OP:
The best possible suggestion is to buy your way into the beta... and remember it is a BETA!
I'm having a blast with it myself... and I get my head handed to me occasionally. It isn't completely soloable unless you pay close attention to your level... But anyone can grind higher and do lower level; quests. It's all in how you want to pursue it.
I played the LOTRO beta as well as vanguard... TR has them both beat in "fun factor". Well, from my point of view, anyway.
It does have a lot of FPSness about it which should make it a lot of fun when PVP is added in the future.
Of course, everyone won't be pleased. That is to be expected.
But don't buy into all the "gloom and doomers". It's the best release this year.... my opinion.
I mean come on most of the people posting that it sucks probly didnt get to far into the game. too many people play 5mins of the beta it isnt like wow or something they thought then they gave up on it. Its not like every1 says it sucks many say its a good game. the only way to see if you will like it is to try it yourself.
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I tried it for a week or so. As I did things I never felt like my character progressed. No matter what I was still just shooting at things. Maybe a new skill every 5 levels (thats if I even bothered with the next tiers skills) or so but I felt like it wasnt enough. Why train armor at noob level when 5 or 10 levels later when I just throw it all away at the next tier.
Logos were implemented horribly. Logos are nothing more then keys to skills or locations. I was hoping for something more modular ala Ultima.
Well, if it really plays like SWG:NGE I probably will hate it. I couldn't stand the NGE. Wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't take out 2/3 of the classes, and let you do something with that god awful UI.
It really doesn't have PvP yet? I thought I saw on the game list here that it was marked as having PvP? If they really haven't added it in yet, then I will for sure not be trying this. I have yet to play a game that added PvP in at some point down the road, that was actually good. I never understood mmo's leaving out PvP or adding it in later. Online gaming was founded on the principles of PvP....except way back when it was called Deathmatch instead. So, for half of these devs to say, "PvP isn't a key component to online gaming" are obviously completely unaware of online gaming's history. Shame on them.
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my biggest problem is the lack of a collision detection system...something they can't fix prior to launch without some MAJOR work. i can understand bullets and lasers follwoing your character (kinda) but getting shot through walls, forcefields, the ground, etc....well thats just horrible. Thats my biggest gripe in a sea of smaller gripes.
Strangely enough it does play alittle like the NGE. Theres one big difference though, the NGE was a piece of crap all the way around, the combat was liveable but they took out every frickin class that was important. They took open ended gameplay and closed it off.
TR keeps open ended gameplay, you can clone at any juncture and create a different character from certain points. Also, the combat in the NGE was ridiculous, here you can take cover behind something, in the NGE they just shot right through it. Now if they could only add space battles into TR which I know they will be doing eventually, (how can you have a sci-fi war game without spacecraft warfare?)
I liked how the character creation wasn't half bad, the action was fast paced and not boring, I really liked the weapon and power selections, it really made sense how they did it. I like the certain weapons that kill certain enemies, and how hitting monsters in different spots hurts them more. I like how consecutive kills gives you an increased XP meter so that the longer you're in the battle fighting the faster your level raises. And all this will come in handy when all these quests (the solo-able ones) become much harder which you can guarantee they will. Do you think they don't know that the monsters die easily? I think that this is a game worth 15 dollars a month, and I say that because city of heroes is 15 dollars a month and the updates they still come out with are full expansionable content with new archetypes and powers and the like. WoW, SWG, Vanguard, EverQuest, all those games are 15 dollars a month, and in all honesty how can anyone here say (those that have actually played it) that this game isn't on par or at least better then a couple of the games I just mentioned.
And ultimately that's what it boils down to, is compared to what is out there right now, this game is fantastic.
I still say give this one a shot. I'm going to try it a couple times I have a feeling unless something better comes along. I'll try it at first launch - I have a feeling it will be a let down - then once again 6 months or so into it - usually when a game launches - it has issues. WoW certainly did - hell the hunter class wasn't even really finished - now look at it. Unfortunately auto assault was similiar - started out crappy - ended up being super fun but, it was too late at that point to save it. The same will probably happen with this game.
I did however read a disturbing comment about how the game is 100% solo. Is this true?
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And you like the character customization? i though it was horrible. Theres only like 12 presets for each characteristic (head, face, etc).
I played SWG post NGE only and Tabula Rasa is NOT like that POS of a game..... And please stop compareing Tabula Rasa to it, you Basterds....
Tabula Rasa is fun to play i have a Station pass and i wont go Near SWG and it would be free to me.. Tabula Rasa Does use a third person look and shoot model but that is it, NOTHING else compairs to That Terable game. It is TRUE that it is Not ready for a launch. There is no market system at all, Grouping is almost pointless, the game Practly ends at lvl 30 (about halfway up the ladder) No Endgame to speek of and some Weapons are in Whorid need of Rebalanceing / Fixing, that said Tabula Rasa is Running fine, looking Great, plays verry well, they have about half of it right (the part that makes it FUN) the other half that will make you stay on the otherhand is Sorry to say MIA
NO this is not NGE, YES it is worth $5 to play in the BETA and get a few extras 2-3 Months after the game has gone live and they have Fixed its problems.
Oh and On Vanguard the game Works 100 times better than it did at launch, And the server mergers make it so there are people running around. IF you do own the box buy a month time card and give it another go
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Well I'm not saying that the character customization was like City of Heroes or anything, theres not like a zillion different faces, but it's much better then WoW and SWG and so on. I mean you can make a decently unique face, and with some of the other betas I've played coming out, you can't even do that. The only difference is those games have different classes, here you can change the color of your armor and so on and so forth, like in Guild Wars using different dyes.
Is the game completely soloable? Yes in Beta it is, but I know it won't be completely soloable on launch. They also have the integrated chat software which I know will come in handy.
I know right now this game isn't "better" then WoW or EverQuest, or Guild Wars for that matter, but WoW didn't get millions of players on launch thats for sure. And by some grace of god SWG still keeps it's meager thousands (if they're lucky) of players. So this game has it's place, and I know within the first 6 months of launch it's only going to get better and that's good enough for me. (Besides the only games I'm looking forward to are AoC and ....spore.. and they aren't coming out for awhile so I have time to kill) I didn't even expect this game to be as good as it is, so I'm pretty surprised I'm even here talking about it.
And to make sure it get worst, it plays exactly like the NGE. You select you weapon/power with key 1-0 and you shoot with Left/right clic and you try to move at the same time with WASD.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Actually, thats one of the reasons I really liked the game. You have 1-5 being your weapons and 6-0 being your other skills (logos) You can cycle through them by using Q (as your 1-5) or E (as your 6-0) So you can actually switch weapons mid-battle if you needed to. As far as the scenery goes, yeah it's not too different from WoW, you have little towns you run into, some high cliffs, caves, instanced battletowers, not a tremendous change of scenery altogether, but I don't think we're only going to stay on a single continent or planet for that matter. Thats one of the greatest parts of sci-fi games, is that the fight didn't start on this planet, and I know it won't end there.
There is really a lot of potential, but I don't want to talk about what the game could be, I want to talk about what it is, and what it isn't. What it isn't is a game for everyone, neither is WoW, cause I hate that game with a passion. What it is, is a solid game that's worth the time you put into it.
What I mean to say is, if you try it, and you enjoyed it, then it's worth it. When things go live if you only have it for a month and get to max level, and don't want to play it until the next amazing expansion, I wouldn't blame you. I could never play SWG again, (even if everyone does think that this game is the NGE reborn, they ARE sadly mistaken, it has some elements, but this is what the NGE SHOULD have been). So all in all those who say "Bah I think this game is going to suck, look at all the people who hate it" you should try it for yourself. At 5 dollars to get into beta (and a full 3 days before launch) It's worth it. WoW is selling 14 day FREE trials for that much at GAMESTOP now, think of it like that.
And WoW had a million customers in almost 2 months of uptime. Yes they had some server and character issues, but TR's problems are deeper than broken quests. Collision detection is non existent...how do you have a sci fi shooter when you get shot through walls, the ground, force fields, get stuck in boxes, or the rocks, etc. These are NOT simple little fixes or server stability issues...these are core game mechanics. And in 6 months i dont see TR even breaking 150k in subs. The game inheritantly has alot of issues.
I agree with you on the NGE... Removing the majority of the classes was bad... real bad!
And if I understand correctly? PVP is in.... Guildwars appear to be possible. Hey, I just learned that myself. Not very guild oriented right now.
No telling what lies in the future.
On a side note if you had read my post I said Tablua Rasa DID NOT have the customization that CoH did, by far, but I was happy with it. Also, in many combat instances I took refuge behind many a rock or building and never once got shot through them. In my time as a beta tester I've only actually been stuck a handful of times, not nearly as many times as I've fallen through floors in CoH or WoW. Don't even get me started on the issues Vanguard had last time I logged in. And seeking refuge behind anything in SWG was a joke. Not to mention the jump commang was nothing more then an emote.
Also, I have quite a bit of faith in NCsoft, lets be frank, this isn't Sony we're talking about, this company isn't nearly a 1 trick pony, lineage and lineage 2 have great followings, not to mention guild wars is one of the top selling games in the business with every expansion gaining high reviews.
And this is 3 weeks till launch. A patch is coming in today that some people think will cure all that ails the game. I highly doubt that will be the case. And it WILL probably be the last patch we can actually test with any thoroughness before live.
I agree there are some fun elements in the game, but in all, I don't think it's something you should be asked to pay 15$ a month for. I also think the game content will get very stale very fast.
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(* level 30-50 content was blocked by the devs till 25 september, so no idea what that content is like yet)
Quite a bit was blocked content. In fact they only have two continents available at the moment for those of you who say that the scenery doesn't change throughout the game, it will. As far as bugs go, I stand by that the bugs in this game are far lower then 95 percent of the other betas I've played. Compare this to other beta's, I've watched patches come in 3 days before launch and expected it to fix ALL the problems, to notice that 3 days wasn't enough to test everything and I just wasted my money on the full version of this game. (And I've done that more then once, because as you can tell I'm optimistic)
On the other hand I've been playing this game for upwards of 3 weeks, and it seems that they've implemented some steady strings of patches. I don't think this will be the last patch before launch.
Regardless, if you think that every game out there is going to be crap based on the beta then you're kidding yourself. Thats the point for betas, you play, somethings wrong, and you report to get it fixed so you can enjoy the game. That's what I've been doing, and because this is NCsoft and not Sony I know it will get fixed. Maybe not before launch but within 6 months.
Actually, the patch did some good... I was only on for a bit, but managed to help defend the imperial valley CP from a major bane attack.
They are doing more damage now and are much harder to kill... It seemed to be a massive "body wave" style attack... Bane specialists deployed turrets, their healers healed, etc.
That was actually fun! Chaotic fun, but fun nonetheless!
No idea whether any other isues are fixed yet. Didn't have enough time.
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Yeah I just got an email with a beta offer today, and already have the client downloaded, and my account setup. Installing now, so I guess I'll get to see myself
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