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joe97tj
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This could be pretty fun. They ever mention it?
And dont give me crap about it not fitting in the lore... Lots of wars were fought in LOTR that werent against forces of mordor.
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Yeah but the Lore people in this game are pretty relentless. I seriously doubt they would ever implement this, even if it was highly requested (which I doubt it ever will be), because the "outrage" among Tolkien fanatics would be huge.
Besides, as I'm sure some angry player will point out in this thread soon enough, its a PvE game, PvP has been introduced in the little "mini-game" in order to say they have it. I doubt PvP will ever get much love, and considering the way the power flip-flops between creeps and Freeps every patch, that's probably a good thing, they can't balance it at all it seems. Such is PvP though.
Of course, that doesn't stop them from doing what the CoX devs did: Promise that PvP will never affect change in the PvE game, then promptly nerf the hell out of powers/skills on the PvE side anyway, under the guise of claiming its not. The fanbois will always side with the devs though and perpetuate the lie that PvP had nothing to do with it. Read: Burgler stealth nerf (just the latest), which is laughable to say its for anything other than PvMP play.
Ouch! Went on quite a tangeant there!
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I doubt it. The game isnt designed around a FFA system. If they did they would open the game up to a whole can of "Nerf this" and 'no fair" that.
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You are asking for trouble. LOTRO, FFA?
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To answer your questiond they have said there will be no FFA PVP in this game. It will always be 100% consensual PVP.
Also i would like you to referance all of these wars that were fouaght that were not against the forces of mordor. If your talking about the silmarillion and other works. Guess what they don't have the rights to use those works.
If it didn't happen in the the hobbit or the trilogy it can't be in in the game. What i meen by that is at this time in the history of Middle earth there was no wars other than the ones against mordor and the forces of saruman. So basically yes the lore card can be used due to the fact that the works they have the rights to in the lore wars between the free people didn't happen.
It may of happen in other works about middle earth but they don't have the rights to them and can't use them.
First of all no true Tolkien fan will claim this game follows the lore because it is alot more shallow than even the movies (which were pretty good at portraying Tolkiens world) and has none of the depth that the books had. It's a simplified WoW clone, using the name of a great, epic fantasy novel to attract the masses.
Second of all the Lord of the Ring centers centers around the conflict surrounding the ring and as such ANYONE can succumb to the power of the ring and join the "dark side". Saruman was once good but turned bad and allied with Sauron and there are many other examples where seemingly "good" people, like Boromir, turned bad because of the Ring. So it is certainly not against the lore of people turn bad and start turning on each other. Also remember how Theoden, the King of Rohan, was misled and corrupted by Grima Wormtounge who was doing Sarumans bidding. So there certainly is room in the lore for the "good" guys to turn on each other.
And finally there is certainly no reason, besides the ineptitude of Turbine, to allow the "evil" races such as orcs, goblins, trolls, pirates and Men of the South to be player characters just as the current "good" ones and then fight over control of areas. Turbine has given that role to scripted AI mobiles because they lack the vision to turn the LOTR franchise into something huge but have rather made a WoW clone to try to take a bite of the huge chunk of the MMORPG market that WoW has.
The reason why this game will never get more than 1/10th of the subscribers that WoW has is become Tolkiens complex and intricated world is nothing like the simplistic world that Turbine has created and as such will never attract the majority of the Tolkien fans which WoW did with Warcraft/Diablo fans.
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First of all no true Tolkien fan will claim this game follows the lore because it is alot more shallow than even the movies (which were pretty good at portraying Tolkiens world) and has none of the depth that the books had. It's a simplified WoW clone, using the name of a great, epic fantasy novel to attract the masses.
Second of all the Lord of the Ring centers centers around the conflict surrounding the ring and as such ANYONE can succumb to the power of the ring and join the "dark side". Saruman was once good but turned bad and allied with Sauron and there are many other examples where seemingly "good" people, like Boromir, turned bad because of the Ring. So it is certainly not against the lore of people turn bad and start turning on each other. Also remember how Theoden, the King of Rohan, was misled and corrupted by Grima Wormtounge who was doing Sarumans bidding. So there certainly is room in the lore for the "good" guys to turn on each other.
And finally there is certainly no reason, besides the ineptitude of Turbine, to allow the "evil" races such as orcs, goblins, trolls, pirates and Men of the South to be player characters just as the current "good" ones and then fight over control of areas. Turbine has given that role to scripted AI mobiles because they lack the vision to turn the LOTR franchise into something huge but have rather made a WoW clone to try to take a bite of the huge chunk of the MMORPG market that WoW has.
The reason why this game will never get more than 1/10th of the subscribers that WoW has is become Tolkiens complex and intricated world is nothing like the simplistic world that Turbine has created and as such will never attract the majority of the Tolkien fans which WoW did with Warcraft/Diablo fans.
Thanks for your opinion. And that is all it is. As far as the suppose ineptude of turbine. There is a thing called the license given to them by tolkien enterprise and guess what. Tolkien enterprise has final say so on what happens in the game and if it stretches the lore to far for their liking. So no it is not laziness on turbines side. It is working with in set peramiteres set by the licesnse holder. How hard is this to grasp.
As far as borimir turning bad. That did not happen. He was tempted by the ring as men are and was heading down the dark path. But when the orcs attacked he remembered his mission and fought the orcs. If he was indeed turned bad as you say he would of fought with the orcs.
Yes saruman was once good. He did not go bad over night . It was a long process. He studied the crafts of the enemy to long and begun to desire that wich the enemy had. Sauron was once a maia just like saruman.
King theoden was not turned bad. He was bewitched by the arts of saruman. He was not in control of his mind until gandalf freed him. Big differance from choosing to be bad and being bewitched.
As far as this game being shallow and not capturing the lore of tolkien. I disagree and i am a tolkien fan a true one. I can sit for hours and tell people about the books and the things that PJ twisted and changed making the movies. The movies did a good job telling the story in the short time they had. But they will never be as good as the book. Hell they left out tom bombahdil. Glorfindel not arwen is who carried frodo on horse back to the ford of brunien. Elrond not arwen is who called the waters of brunien river down on the ringwraths with gandalf adding his touch to the flood.
This game is not a WOW clone in my opinion. The two games are totally differant yet share similar features. Shareing similar featrues does not make a clone. I have been playing this game since closed beta started and guess what i will be playing it until the game shut downs.
As far as the playable evil races are concerned. All races have to have a back story. The books are the source of the back story for the races. No were in the books does it give a back story about the evil races that will hold up. Thus turbine will have to create the evil races backstory from scratch using what they can find in the books and expand on it.
Guess what. They can't do this cause tolkien enterprise is the only ones who can give them permission to do that and from what i understand they aren't doing that. If turbine owned the rights to the books like tolkien enterprise does then they could do anything they want without having tolkien enterprise looking over their shoulder.
Do you now understand the limitations they have to work within? It is not as black and white as people think.
Oh please, this is all speculations on your side. You dont know the exact details of the license and it is not as black and white as you want it to appear. As you said, many things in the movies were not like the book and yet was still allowed. You dont have to follow a license blindly, and even though it is true that Tolkien Enterprises has the final word it is all pure speculations on your side that they would forbid evil races to become playable races because there isnt enough background. That is just another set of excuses to why not to implement a proper PvP system.
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Also they are able to look to other works to help flesh out parts of the story that is hinted at. They can''t though use something as reference from another book that isn't mentioned in the works they have a license for.
When they started this game they told us they had a set peramiteres to work with in. They were restricted by the license. They have bent the lore in areas and for some have totally broken it. They do not follow the lore blindly. They can't and make a fun game. Notice i said lore. Now the license they have to follow blindly or tolkien enterprise can pull the license and shut the game down. They entered a legal commitment with tolkien enterprise in the license and guess what they have to follow it to the letter unless tolkien enterprise decides to change the license.
As far as the movies go. Totally diffferant media. In order to tell the story of the trilogy (1008) pages in 9 hours they had to make changes. They had to condense it or we would of ended up with a half dozen or so movies to tell the story the way the book tells it.
The devs have said the lore doesn't support evil races. What does that tell you? That the books don't support evill races the way it supports good races. Also that in order for them to be able to support evil races they would have to create and add to the existing lore. I am sure that tolkien enterprise won't allow this.
No i don't know the exact details of the license, but i have read everything the devs have said about the license and the restrictions they work under. I have been corrected by devs on the forums about my understanding of the license. I would venture to guess i know more about the license and how it works than you do. I wasn't speculating but repeating what i have learned about the license.
I can't think of anything that is more against the basis of LotRO. This is a basically a PvE game with a little PvP thrown in as a fun diversion. There are plenty of PvP games out there.
LOTRO is designed around the main book and all the notes that Tolkien created around it. The Free Peoples (that is: the characters you can play) never decided to switch sides. Tolkien's story is about the good of the people versus the ultimate evil, plain and simple. With a basic understanding of the lore, it's easy to see why there is no FFA PvP in this game. It would not work with the story, the world, the characters, or the license in general.
Taking the gameplay into consideration, this game is not designed for players to fight each other in FFA around Eriador. If you're not able to get into the Ettenmoors (which is being expanded upon with an underground system of caves in the next major update, as well as expected additions of PvMP zones in future expansions) and find that PvP enough to fill your boat, then this isn't your game. Sorry.