Man, I missed out. I left for like a day and this took off. Where to begin. Might as well respond to Rant since I asked for it.
First, my living situation since you're confused about me living with my girlfriend and another person. Actually there's four of us total. It's one of those new things. I think they call them apartments. I could be wrong though. They're ideal for the college kid. No RAs, no silly liquor rules, no silly smoking rules, and just more space. You did the college thing, right? English Major? You know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, I didn't know there was some unwritten law that made it physically impossible to live with more than one other person. I guess that explains divorce rates and single parents. Anyway, moving past that.
I'm confused about this grabbing the arrow out of the mid flight and slamming it into my chest to cry about it, but shit, I'll go with it. First, to address the argument comment. This is technically an argument. You think you have a point, I think I have a point, we disagree and respond accordingly. Aren't you an English Major? I swear I read that. You seem to have a limited vocabulary, or at least don't quite understand the full definitions of words. I don't have to bitch slap you to argue with you. We just have to disagree. Which we do. Past that is the attention thing. I'll give you that one. I'm an attention whore. I mean, c'mon. I created a topic about something and asked you to back up your claims with facts. Twice. That's a desperate plea for attention if I ever saw one. I'm fucking nuts, man. It's absolutely ridiculous that I would want to talk about the topic. That I started. And, the newbie comment. I'm actually relieved you aren't one of those people that thinks that quantity of posts equates to quality of posts. I made the newbie comment as a sort of insurance against anyone who'd want to try and attack my new status. As for feeling like a newbie, if that equals being new to a message board and not knowing everyone, then yeah. I feel like that, because I am new to the board.
Let's play some ring-around-the-rosie with words! Your English Degree equals superior sarcasm skills. And my commenting on that was a sarcastic remark about your skills! What a vicious cycle. It's horrible. I pine for simplicity. Moving past that, thank you so very much for telling me you're an English Major. I've taken a few Comp. classes at my University myself. And way back when, about three years ago, we did this thing in Comp. 1 called "Propaganda and Logical Fallacies". This is where the fun begins, and I address the part of your post that for once, had to do with games and could have possibly made sense had you not screwed it up. False Analogies. (by the way, nice attempt at a cover with thinking someone could read too deep into bullshit)
You're comment about a sandwhich and an airplane, while funny, is irrelevant. Here's how! Now, sure a slice of meat in a cd drive doesn't make a sandwhich. However, ham is for eating. Keyboards are for typing. A keyboard will type on a PS2, and it will type on a PC. So, if I plug my keyboard into my PS2, by your logic, that would make it not a keyboard? Since, after all, an analogy must be consistent and must be logical (or else it's a false analogy....BOO!!!), this means that a slice of ham only constitutes to the creation of a sandwhich when combined with bread. This means a keyboard is only a keyboard when plugged into a PC.
Argghh. I take back the above comment. You were right. I understand what you mean now. I just plugged my keyboard into my PS2, and it not only didn't work, but the keys all came off the keyboard. Then, they rearranged themselves completely independant of my control so that none of the keys were where they should be. To make matters worse, some of the keys took it upon themselves to replace a few keys with pins. It's hard to type this, because the bleeding hasn't stopped yet. Also, as soon as I plugged my keyboard into my PS2 it flat out refused to make my dinner. It always use to do that when it was in my computer. You were right, I was wrong. A keyboard can only maintain the qualities of a keyboard so long as it's hooked up to a PC. You've won this one.
Maybe you could shed some light on the above dilemma. You're uber-sarcasm should be able to filter through that and get the oh-so-cleverly hidden true meaning. After that, maybe you can explain to us lesser beings the genius of your analogies. Sadly, the only thing you backed up was my theory that english as a major is just as much a joke as my own (Philosophy. The glorified english program).
Now, other than the crap Rant managed to spew out, some of the stuff on here that I read was awesome! A couple people said some stuff that really stuck, that I honestly hadn't thought of before.
bsherlock. Good point on the comment about scantily clad women with creepy male accents. I honestly hadn't thought of that. I think it would be a good idea to go with voice masking for games like that. Converting it to text would be tricky. How much can you say? What words does it know and spell right? The list goes on. X-Box live offers some primitive voice masking options. However, they're limited. Anyone who's heard someone use them knows what I mean. They need work, but they were a good idea in the first place. Thanks, bsherlock, I actually hadn't thought about what you said before. I do disagree with the generalization that consoles and PC attract different kinds of gamers. I've played both, and in my experience, 90% of both are assholes. This is just my experience, and my opinion on that. You may have a different run of luck.
El Slacko, the hard drive is also useable for Resident Evil: Outbreak. Granted, it's not much, but I guess 2 is better than 1. I don't like it either.
Jdoki, I agree with you about the trade channel. If I logged into a game and it put me in the trade channel automatically, I'd be freaked out. The first thing I hear in my headset is 40 different people chanting what they're selling would scare the shit out of me. I'd probably want my console exorcised and burned. But, there's ways around that. Dark Age of Camelot has a thing for finding groups. You flag yourself as looking for a group (just in case someone hasn't played it, I'll explain), and on a different menu you can look at all the groups looking for players and players looking for groups. It gives level, class, etc. I think a version of this would be perfect for a game with voice chat for auctions and grouping. It's not in your face, and players should be given an option to filter through what they want to buy. Let them search by price, weapon type, magical or non-magical, or quality or whatever. Plus, while I don't deny that a voice chat auction would be one of the most annoying things ever, so is text spammers who are trying to pawn their wares. I hate seeing someone just macro text up over and over again to sell an item. I think the menu system would solve both problems. And thank you, Jdoki for answering the question.
I think I should rephrase it a bit perhaps. What would make you want a console MMORPG. If you hate consoles, that's fine. Don't post you'd never play one, just post what a game would have to have to get you to try it. Think hypothetical. Don't use previous games as a template if you don't want to. Just give a few ideas that would make a console MMORPG worth playing, and maybe something you'd like to see that hasn't been done by a PC. And when you post, think future generation. Don't go with current X-Box and PS2. Think PS3 and Xenon. Thanks.
Nothing. I take each game on it's merits. I bought FFXI on PC because it was cheaper than the PS2 version. It had nothing to do with the PC vs PS2 technical issues, it was plain and simple the purchase price (if more games used the Hard Drive I'd have considered the PS2 version a lot more).
All I'm after is choice. Just like Gran Tourismo will never come out on the XBox, and Halo will never come out on the PS2... if a MMORPG comes out on a console and is exclusive to that console, I will buy it if I think it will appeal to me.
If a MMORPG is released on both PC and a console, I'd have to weigh up a number of factors. What's the communication like? Does it support a keyboard or has it got round issues concerning voice chat? Does the control work better on mouse/keyboard or using a controller? But ultimately one of the biggest factors for me is comfort; can I sit on my sofa and play the game on a screen that is far bigger than my PC monitor? With the number of hours I plough in to the average MMORPG I'd rather be comfortable than sat at my PC desk.
On a slightly separate note... The person who mentioned voice to text had a brilliant idea there. About 5 years ago I was using IBM Via Voice, and the conversion accuracy was about 96 to 98%, this was after only about an hour of training the software to recognise my voice characteristics - the more you train it the more accurate it gets. Considering that most chat (and a lot of forum posts for that matter) is usually unintelligable garbage, 90+% accuracy would be an improvement!
Heh. So long as a voice to text program can't be taught to learn l33t, I'll be happy. And that's an interesting point with the voice to text thing. I hadn't really thought of it before. I've never seen one used personally, and the stuff I see on TV isn't really anything in depth enough to really peak my interest. I might check that out, though. It would be pretty cool if a MMORPG (any of them for that matter) was able to convert voice to text with as much accuracy as you say. I'd be on board for something like that.
Man, your ability to convey a coherent thought is strongly lacking. That was the point of your analogy? That a console won't be a computer? As for the clever comment about the SATs, I'm willing to bet I got a higher score than you. It's a stupid test with no relevance to anything except college admissions. If my SAT scores were an accurate portrayl of how intelligent a person is, I'm pretty sure I could find better ways to pass time then on a forum trying to teach a person with a degree in english (I'm assuming you attended a community college, at this point) how to properly form an analogy. While your attempt could have worked, surely someone as....intelligent....as you could have come up with something better? Maybe you could use another fun arrow metaphor! That one got some good laughs. I think I remember you mentioning not having a lot of money, and you should have gone into computer science. Yeah, it's hard to tell why you're poor. Moving past that, and defining a computer and a console. What makes your computer a computer? Is it the hard drive? The processor? The ability to load a cd? Everything my computer does (in respect to games, and anything else would be sort of irrelevant at a site called MMORPG.com) can be done by my X-Box or my PS2. If not better. Both consoles have a video card and processor. Both can store my game data. I can type on the PS2 since keyboards are so important. I can play how many games on X-Box Live free of charge? I mean, sure there's the initial fee. I don't even know what that equates to per month. Probably like seven dollars. Anyway, I've got over 50 games I can play as much as I want, for a year. Shit, I can rent them. So, going with a low estimate of 50 games, I'm paying almost half what a MMORPG costs per month, to play 49 more games. Again, don't even talk about being poor.
And yeah, I get what you mean about having to make a MMORPG that's compatible with all the silly graphics cards and processors that PC people get sucked into buying. That's the advantage of using a console. You don't have to take into consideration what everyone is using. Because everyone is using the same thing. It's a "console". The components are already there. And so what if computers have a head start? As I recall, Phantasy Star Online came out about the same time as Ultima Online. What you want to talk about text based MMORPGs? Yeah, everyone's looking forward to the new text game. I can't wait. But yeah, PC definitely got the jump on consoles. Let's look at it.
22 games alone listed on the side as already released. 18 listed as in development. 16 if you take into consideration that Warhammer and Ultima X have been cut. 38 games. Sounds a little over-crowded to me. Consoles have FFXI, PSO, and EQoA. Three. It's a virtually untapped market, but you'd rather see another name on another long list of games for the PC? Why? You don't have enough games that you can click on a monster and watch your character fight? Put in a controller, and you can completely change the combat engine. You can make it more action and player skill based, instead of just letting the game calculate your stats against a monster. Sure, plenty of MMORPGs have taken it a step further. There's special moves now. Now, I can press a hotkeyed button and the game will calculate even more stats. I've played quite a few PC games, and honestly it just seems like the same recycled things over and over again. RTS is all the same. FPS is the same. MMORPGs are certainly the same, and the few that made it to console are clones of those games. I'd rather see a new take on the MMORPG scene using a controller and a console. It's pretty obvious that console games get more hype as well. You can disagree with that, but how often do you see a PC game advertised all over Yahoo. What's on the cover of all those EB magazines. Granted, these points are wasted on a site where the focus is obviously a genre currently dominated by PC marketing. Regardless, console MMORPGs becoming the common thing is only a matter of time. Like it or not. For Christ's sake, Microsoft had to get a piece of the console industry. C'mon, tell me that didn't make you shit your PC fanboy pants?
Moving past that, yes, you're absolutely correct about the figures and demographics of console production. I'd like to see that backed up by facts, but that's probably about as likely as you backing up anything you said here with facts. Maybe you could throw us an airplane analogy to go with it? The vast majority of my friends are pretty avid gamers. We play PC and console alike. No one I hang out with is under 20. It was my understanding that a large portion of the gaming community were college students (at least as far as consoles go, I can't speak for PC). I don't know that many college students who are going to be teenagers for much longer. Add to that the fact that if what you say is true, and consoles are just for teenagers, that could be a plus. On the bright side, they'll grow up with it and love it, and they can just wait for all the "old" PC people to die off. Still, I'd love to see how the PC community has so much more money and advertising wrapped up in it to keep it going. I guess I forgot about all those movies based on PC games you guys had. Like Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, fucking Mario. I guess I must have just missed all those TV spots for the awesome new PC game that's coming out. I think the site gametrailers.com must feel the same way. They've got some PC trailers on there but the only one of the top four popular ones that's a PC game is Everquest II. Isn't that run SOE? Sony? What else did they make....oh right. The fucking Playstation. Rent, I've been pretty tolerant and patient with the constant nonsense posts, but Christ. Xaldor was wrong to call you ignorant. Ignorant people are just uninformed. You're fucking retarded. Let it go. Console MMORPGs are going to happen, and they'll be more than ports of PC games. And they'll most likely ultimately end up doing better. It's far easier to market console than PC. More people associate consoles with video games. If you say RPG, I guarantee you someone's going to say Final Fantasy. Man, even you PC elitists needed a piece of that one. I remember them porting 7 over to PC and laughing my ass off. Too bad you guys got a raw deal on that. That was a terrible port. Either way, PC MMORPGs, getting kind of old. You can think there's more money in computers all you want. There probably is when it comes to the actual hardware, but your software is always going to be inferior. Consoles have proved anything that PCs do can be brought over and, they do it regularly. You should probably say that they're just knock off, poor imitations, but then how would you know, since it's doubtful you even own a console to play'em on. Trust me, they're good. Some are fucked, but most are solid. Let the console hate go. It's not getting you anywhere, except laughed at by people who realize consoles have moved past The Saturn.
Right now, hundreds of companies are throwing billions of dollars into research on how to make computers better, whereas less than a dozen companies are misering out a fraction of that amount to try and make consoles more marketable to teenagers.
OK...I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and call you ignorant once again. I know how this makes you feel. But this statement proves it.
Have you ever heard of these compaines..MICROSOFT and SONY. Well these companies are billion dollar companies, with stockholders to keep happy, and you better believe all they care about is the bottom line. Why do you think MSFT got into the console game in the first place...because Bill Gates, dare I say, is a pretty shrewd business man, and he sees the future of gaming. I'm sorry to tell you this but the future of online gaming is CONSOLES. Reason is simple...cost. The NEXTGEN consoles will be anywhere from $350-$600. How much have you put into your PC.
You say that 99% of MMORPGS are made for PC's. This is true, but try to look ahead a little my friend. I am willing to bet that in 3-5 years that virtually all MMORPGS will be made for both PC's and CONSOLES. The console market is WAY TO BIG, and game developers can not AFFORD to look this simple fact over. The PS2 has sold 70 million units. Imagaine if only .05% of that market played your MMORPG...that's 350,000 accounts paying you 15-20 dollars a month. I know your degree is in english, but mine is in business, and it is so freaking obvious that MMORPG's on consoles makes good business sense...actually, no it makes GREAT business sense.
I know all you PC elitists hate the idea of people laying on their couch in their underwear, playing there favorite MMORPG on their big screen....but it is as inevitable as rant preparing a post right now to flame me, and call me a fat-ass geek with no life....Xaldor
Originally posted by rentantilus Okay... you're off the deep end here. I'm done posting in this topic, so you can rock on with your bad self, kido. Maybe giving you attention wasn't the smartest thing to do, like throwing water on a grease fire. I say that MMORPGs are better suited for computers than consoles, and suddenly I'm a "PC elitist"... Here's a surprise: I own a PS2. Am I a traitor now? Are the PC police going to break in my door and arrest me? Seriously, you need to calm down. You're taking this all way too personally. This argument isn't "computer people vs. console people," alright? Here are some hard facts for you in parting: 1. 99.999% of existing MMORPG market subjects (the player community) already own computers. 2. Less than 1% of all console owners also own keyboards and/or headsets for them. 3. More households have computers than consoles, not just in America, but in the entire world. 4. A true MMORPG requires a keyboard and/or headset for advanced communication and command input. 5. Very few people will buy a $150-$200 piece of equipment just to play one new game. Now, let's assume you're the head of a company that's going to make an MMORPG. Which platform are you going to make it for, assuming that you don't have the time, money, and personnel to adapt a single MMORPG for both platforms? Remember, as the head of a software company, your goal is to make as much money as possible, so you can't afford to be a rabid, tempermental, offensive console fanatic in this hypothetical question. Take the facts above and give me an answer in a private message.
1) is an obvious statement and not relevant to this argument...the argument being basically that an MMORPG cannot be viable on a console...at leats I think that's what you're trying to prove
2) any body with an XBL account owns a headest...they come with the package
5) $150-$200 sor what? Xbox has a hd...and you can get a hD for ps2 for $100, and you get FFXI with that purchase...how much have you put into your PC to play games with the seetings on high, and no lag issues $2000?...$3000
Rarely have I seen someone post so much text with out actually making a point in relevance to the original post/topic.
A PC is not a sandwich, a car having wings is not an... and so on. Statistics picked out of thin air, always nice when debating something. At least you leave us in the knowledge that you have an English Lit degree and believe you have Superior Sarcasm skills to other people. - Was that a module on your degree? Did you really do well on it? Perhaps you were better at the oral than the written... oh well.
OF COURSE MORE MONEY IS BEIING PUT INTO PC'S....but not more money in the production of games....not even close....and isn't the whole arument here about gaming right. I am done debating with you on this....Xaldor
I don't care if it was already posted, but the closest thing to an mmo for a console is Everquest online adventures for ps2
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"She broke my heart I wan't to be sedated, all I wanted was to see her naked" Bowling for Soup ((a band)) ^ l lIs that to much to ask?
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Originally posted by Etherial I don't care if it was already posted, but the closest thing to an mmo for a console is Everquest online adventures for ps2"If I had a nickel for every email I got, I'd throw them at people in the food court, from those railings, like up above"- StrongBad from homestarrunner.com ((go there))"She broke my heart I wan't to be sedated, all I wanted was to see her naked" Bowling for Soup ((a band)) ^ l lIs that to much to ask?
NO, the closest thing to an MMO on a console is XBox Live! People have to use the same handle across all the games they play. Once you know somebody in one game, you can follow them into others. It is like one giant MMO where you can do just about anything you imagine from racing to fighting to killing bad guys...
We have rehashed this argument over and over. The bottom line is that there is about twice as much money in console gaming as there is in PC gaming. In fact, I would say that about the only thing keeping PC gaming alive is MMO's, and when they finally hit consoles, there better be another new market for PC's or they will take an even deeper plunge towards the back of the gaming race.
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Man, I missed out. I left for like a day and this took off. Where to begin. Might as well respond to Rant since I asked for it.
First, my living situation since you're confused about me living with my girlfriend and another person. Actually there's four of us total. It's one of those new things. I think they call them apartments. I could be wrong though. They're ideal for the college kid. No RAs, no silly liquor rules, no silly smoking rules, and just more space. You did the college thing, right? English Major? You know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, I didn't know there was some unwritten law that made it physically impossible to live with more than one other person. I guess that explains divorce rates and single parents. Anyway, moving past that.
I'm confused about this grabbing the arrow out of the mid flight and slamming it into my chest to cry about it, but shit, I'll go with it. First, to address the argument comment. This is technically an argument. You think you have a point, I think I have a point, we disagree and respond accordingly. Aren't you an English Major? I swear I read that. You seem to have a limited vocabulary, or at least don't quite understand the full definitions of words. I don't have to bitch slap you to argue with you. We just have to disagree. Which we do. Past that is the attention thing. I'll give you that one. I'm an attention whore. I mean, c'mon. I created a topic about something and asked you to back up your claims with facts. Twice. That's a desperate plea for attention if I ever saw one. I'm fucking nuts, man. It's absolutely ridiculous that I would want to talk about the topic. That I started. And, the newbie comment. I'm actually relieved you aren't one of those people that thinks that quantity of posts equates to quality of posts. I made the newbie comment as a sort of insurance against anyone who'd want to try and attack my new status. As for feeling like a newbie, if that equals being new to a message board and not knowing everyone, then yeah. I feel like that, because I am new to the board.
Let's play some ring-around-the-rosie with words! Your English Degree equals superior sarcasm skills. And my commenting on that was a sarcastic remark about your skills! What a vicious cycle. It's horrible. I pine for simplicity. Moving past that, thank you so very much for telling me you're an English Major. I've taken a few Comp. classes at my University myself. And way back when, about three years ago, we did this thing in Comp. 1 called "Propaganda and Logical Fallacies". This is where the fun begins, and I address the part of your post that for once, had to do with games and could have possibly made sense had you not screwed it up. False Analogies. (by the way, nice attempt at a cover with thinking someone could read too deep into bullshit)
You're comment about a sandwhich and an airplane, while funny, is irrelevant. Here's how! Now, sure a slice of meat in a cd drive doesn't make a sandwhich. However, ham is for eating. Keyboards are for typing. A keyboard will type on a PS2, and it will type on a PC. So, if I plug my keyboard into my PS2, by your logic, that would make it not a keyboard? Since, after all, an analogy must be consistent and must be logical (or else it's a false analogy....BOO!!!), this means that a slice of ham only constitutes to the creation of a sandwhich when combined with bread. This means a keyboard is only a keyboard when plugged into a PC.
Argghh. I take back the above comment. You were right. I understand what you mean now. I just plugged my keyboard into my PS2, and it not only didn't work, but the keys all came off the keyboard. Then, they rearranged themselves completely independant of my control so that none of the keys were where they should be. To make matters worse, some of the keys took it upon themselves to replace a few keys with pins. It's hard to type this, because the bleeding hasn't stopped yet. Also, as soon as I plugged my keyboard into my PS2 it flat out refused to make my dinner. It always use to do that when it was in my computer. You were right, I was wrong. A keyboard can only maintain the qualities of a keyboard so long as it's hooked up to a PC. You've won this one.
Maybe you could shed some light on the above dilemma. You're uber-sarcasm should be able to filter through that and get the oh-so-cleverly hidden true meaning. After that, maybe you can explain to us lesser beings the genius of your analogies. Sadly, the only thing you backed up was my theory that english as a major is just as much a joke as my own (Philosophy. The glorified english program).
Now, other than the crap Rant managed to spew out, some of the stuff on here that I read was awesome! A couple people said some stuff that really stuck, that I honestly hadn't thought of before.
bsherlock. Good point on the comment about scantily clad women with creepy male accents. I honestly hadn't thought of that. I think it would be a good idea to go with voice masking for games like that. Converting it to text would be tricky. How much can you say? What words does it know and spell right? The list goes on. X-Box live offers some primitive voice masking options. However, they're limited. Anyone who's heard someone use them knows what I mean. They need work, but they were a good idea in the first place. Thanks, bsherlock, I actually hadn't thought about what you said before. I do disagree with the generalization that consoles and PC attract different kinds of gamers. I've played both, and in my experience, 90% of both are assholes. This is just my experience, and my opinion on that. You may have a different run of luck.
El Slacko, the hard drive is also useable for Resident Evil: Outbreak. Granted, it's not much, but I guess 2 is better than 1. I don't like it either.
Jdoki, I agree with you about the trade channel. If I logged into a game and it put me in the trade channel automatically, I'd be freaked out. The first thing I hear in my headset is 40 different people chanting what they're selling would scare the shit out of me. I'd probably want my console exorcised and burned. But, there's ways around that. Dark Age of Camelot has a thing for finding groups. You flag yourself as looking for a group (just in case someone hasn't played it, I'll explain), and on a different menu you can look at all the groups looking for players and players looking for groups. It gives level, class, etc. I think a version of this would be perfect for a game with voice chat for auctions and grouping. It's not in your face, and players should be given an option to filter through what they want to buy. Let them search by price, weapon type, magical or non-magical, or quality or whatever. Plus, while I don't deny that a voice chat auction would be one of the most annoying things ever, so is text spammers who are trying to pawn their wares. I hate seeing someone just macro text up over and over again to sell an item. I think the menu system would solve both problems. And thank you, Jdoki for answering the question.
I think I should rephrase it a bit perhaps. What would make you want a console MMORPG. If you hate consoles, that's fine. Don't post you'd never play one, just post what a game would have to have to get you to try it. Think hypothetical. Don't use previous games as a template if you don't want to. Just give a few ideas that would make a console MMORPG worth playing, and maybe something you'd like to see that hasn't been done by a PC. And when you post, think future generation. Don't go with current X-Box and PS2. Think PS3 and Xenon. Thanks.
What would make me want a console MMORPG?
Nothing. I take each game on it's merits.
I bought FFXI on PC because it was cheaper than the PS2 version. It had nothing to do with the PC vs PS2 technical issues, it was plain and simple the purchase price (if more games used the Hard Drive I'd have considered the PS2 version a lot more).
All I'm after is choice.
Just like Gran Tourismo will never come out on the XBox, and Halo will never come out on the PS2... if a MMORPG comes out on a console and is exclusive to that console, I will buy it if I think it will appeal to me.
If a MMORPG is released on both PC and a console, I'd have to weigh up a number of factors.
What's the communication like? Does it support a keyboard or has it got round issues concerning voice chat? Does the control work better on mouse/keyboard or using a controller? But ultimately one of the biggest factors for me is comfort; can I sit on my sofa and play the game on a screen that is far bigger than my PC monitor? With the number of hours I plough in to the average MMORPG I'd rather be comfortable than sat at my PC desk.
On a slightly separate note... The person who mentioned voice to text had a brilliant idea there. About 5 years ago I was using IBM Via Voice, and the conversion accuracy was about 96 to 98%, this was after only about an hour of training the software to recognise my voice characteristics - the more you train it the more accurate it gets. Considering that most chat (and a lot of forum posts for that matter) is usually unintelligable garbage, 90+% accuracy would be an improvement!
Man, your ability to convey a coherent thought is strongly lacking. That was the point of your analogy? That a console won't be a computer? As for the clever comment about the SATs, I'm willing to bet I got a higher score than you. It's a stupid test with no relevance to anything except college admissions. If my SAT scores were an accurate portrayl of how intelligent a person is, I'm pretty sure I could find better ways to pass time then on a forum trying to teach a person with a degree in english (I'm assuming you attended a community college, at this point) how to properly form an analogy. While your attempt could have worked, surely someone as....intelligent....as you could have come up with something better? Maybe you could use another fun arrow metaphor! That one got some good laughs. I think I remember you mentioning not having a lot of money, and you should have gone into computer science. Yeah, it's hard to tell why you're poor. Moving past that, and defining a computer and a console. What makes your computer a computer? Is it the hard drive? The processor? The ability to load a cd? Everything my computer does (in respect to games, and anything else would be sort of irrelevant at a site called MMORPG.com) can be done by my X-Box or my PS2. If not better. Both consoles have a video card and processor. Both can store my game data. I can type on the PS2 since keyboards are so important. I can play how many games on X-Box Live free of charge? I mean, sure there's the initial fee. I don't even know what that equates to per month. Probably like seven dollars. Anyway, I've got over 50 games I can play as much as I want, for a year. Shit, I can rent them. So, going with a low estimate of 50 games, I'm paying almost half what a MMORPG costs per month, to play 49 more games. Again, don't even talk about being poor.
And yeah, I get what you mean about having to make a MMORPG that's compatible with all the silly graphics cards and processors that PC people get sucked into buying. That's the advantage of using a console. You don't have to take into consideration what everyone is using. Because everyone is using the same thing. It's a "console". The components are already there. And so what if computers have a head start? As I recall, Phantasy Star Online came out about the same time as Ultima Online. What you want to talk about text based MMORPGs? Yeah, everyone's looking forward to the new text game. I can't wait. But yeah, PC definitely got the jump on consoles. Let's look at it.
22 games alone listed on the side as already released. 18 listed as in development. 16 if you take into consideration that Warhammer and Ultima X have been cut. 38 games. Sounds a little over-crowded to me. Consoles have FFXI, PSO, and EQoA. Three. It's a virtually untapped market, but you'd rather see another name on another long list of games for the PC? Why? You don't have enough games that you can click on a monster and watch your character fight? Put in a controller, and you can completely change the combat engine. You can make it more action and player skill based, instead of just letting the game calculate your stats against a monster. Sure, plenty of MMORPGs have taken it a step further. There's special moves now. Now, I can press a hotkeyed button and the game will calculate even more stats. I've played quite a few PC games, and honestly it just seems like the same recycled things over and over again. RTS is all the same. FPS is the same. MMORPGs are certainly the same, and the few that made it to console are clones of those games. I'd rather see a new take on the MMORPG scene using a controller and a console. It's pretty obvious that console games get more hype as well. You can disagree with that, but how often do you see a PC game advertised all over Yahoo. What's on the cover of all those EB magazines. Granted, these points are wasted on a site where the focus is obviously a genre currently dominated by PC marketing. Regardless, console MMORPGs becoming the common thing is only a matter of time. Like it or not. For Christ's sake, Microsoft had to get a piece of the console industry. C'mon, tell me that didn't make you shit your PC fanboy pants?
Moving past that, yes, you're absolutely correct about the figures and demographics of console production. I'd like to see that backed up by facts, but that's probably about as likely as you backing up anything you said here with facts. Maybe you could throw us an airplane analogy to go with it? The vast majority of my friends are pretty avid gamers. We play PC and console alike. No one I hang out with is under 20. It was my understanding that a large portion of the gaming community were college students (at least as far as consoles go, I can't speak for PC). I don't know that many college students who are going to be teenagers for much longer. Add to that the fact that if what you say is true, and consoles are just for teenagers, that could be a plus. On the bright side, they'll grow up with it and love it, and they can just wait for all the "old" PC people to die off. Still, I'd love to see how the PC community has so much more money and advertising wrapped up in it to keep it going. I guess I forgot about all those movies based on PC games you guys had. Like Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, fucking Mario. I guess I must have just missed all those TV spots for the awesome new PC game that's coming out. I think the site gametrailers.com must feel the same way. They've got some PC trailers on there but the only one of the top four popular ones that's a PC game is Everquest II. Isn't that run SOE? Sony? What else did they make....oh right. The fucking Playstation. Rent, I've been pretty tolerant and patient with the constant nonsense posts, but Christ. Xaldor was wrong to call you ignorant. Ignorant people are just uninformed. You're fucking retarded. Let it go. Console MMORPGs are going to happen, and they'll be more than ports of PC games. And they'll most likely ultimately end up doing better. It's far easier to market console than PC. More people associate consoles with video games. If you say RPG, I guarantee you someone's going to say Final Fantasy. Man, even you PC elitists needed a piece of that one. I remember them porting 7 over to PC and laughing my ass off. Too bad you guys got a raw deal on that. That was a terrible port. Either way, PC MMORPGs, getting kind of old. You can think there's more money in computers all you want. There probably is when it comes to the actual hardware, but your software is always going to be inferior. Consoles have proved anything that PCs do can be brought over and, they do it regularly. You should probably say that they're just knock off, poor imitations, but then how would you know, since it's doubtful you even own a console to play'em on. Trust me, they're good. Some are fucked, but most are solid. Let the console hate go. It's not getting you anywhere, except laughed at by people who realize consoles have moved past The Saturn.
OK...I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and call you ignorant once again. I know how this makes you feel. But this statement proves it.
Have you ever heard of these compaines..MICROSOFT and SONY. Well these companies are billion dollar companies, with stockholders to keep happy, and you better believe all they care about is the bottom line. Why do you think MSFT got into the console game in the first place...because Bill Gates, dare I say, is a pretty shrewd business man, and he sees the future of gaming. I'm sorry to tell you this but the future of online gaming is CONSOLES. Reason is simple...cost. The NEXTGEN consoles will be anywhere from $350-$600. How much have you put into your PC.
You say that 99% of MMORPGS are made for PC's. This is true, but try to look ahead a little my friend. I am willing to bet that in 3-5 years that virtually all MMORPGS will be made for both PC's and CONSOLES. The console market is WAY TO BIG, and game developers can not AFFORD to look this simple fact over. The PS2 has sold 70 million units. Imagaine if only .05% of that market played your MMORPG...that's 350,000 accounts paying you 15-20 dollars a month. I know your degree is in english, but mine is in business, and it is so freaking obvious that MMORPG's on consoles makes good business sense...actually, no it makes GREAT business sense.
I know all you PC elitists hate the idea of people laying on their couch in their underwear, playing there favorite MMORPG on their big screen....but it is as inevitable as rant preparing a post right now to flame me, and call me a fat-ass geek with no life....Xaldor
1) is an obvious statement and not relevant to this argument...the argument being basically that an MMORPG cannot be viable on a console...at leats I think that's what you're trying to prove
2) any body with an XBL account owns a headest...they come with the package
3) just a rehash of #1
4) see #2
5) $150-$200 sor what? Xbox has a hd...and you can get a hD for ps2 for $100, and you get FFXI with that purchase...how much have you put into your PC to play games with the seetings on high, and no lag issues $2000?...$3000
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Rarely have I seen someone post so much text with out actually making a point in relevance to the original post/topic.
A PC is not a sandwich, a car having wings is not an... and so on. Statistics picked out of thin air, always nice when debating something. At least you leave us in the knowledge that you have an English Lit degree and believe you have Superior Sarcasm skills to other people. - Was that a module on your degree? Did you really do well on it? Perhaps you were better at the oral than the written... oh well.
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NO, the closest thing to an MMO on a console is XBox Live! People have to use the same handle across all the games they play. Once you know somebody in one game, you can follow them into others. It is like one giant MMO where you can do just about anything you imagine from racing to fighting to killing bad guys...
We have rehashed this argument over and over. The bottom line is that there is about twice as much money in console gaming as there is in PC gaming. In fact, I would say that about the only thing keeping PC gaming alive is MMO's, and when they finally hit consoles, there better be another new market for PC's or they will take an even deeper plunge towards the back of the gaming race.