To be totally honest I hope to see consoles fail, and when/if they do I will dance with happiness. PC FTW. I can't Alt+Tab out of a loading screen on a 360 can I? No.
Guess you'll never be able to dance of happiness then.
I'm gonna say I agree with the article. For....unique reasons, even. You see, as we have moved forward over the last decade...I've noticed an interesting trend. The move from television to PC. I can view any movie, and any TV show, on the internet as of right now. Not just illegally either...I'm talking honest john stuff here. All of these mediums ARE being centralized on the PC...because the PC has already established the centralization of the planet in the form of the internet.
I no longer watch TV anymore...any show I want to see is released on the internet (BY the production company itself) to watch online. As we continue this trend (and it will continue, there is no denying it.) we will see more people using the internet because it is a thousand times more casual friendly than TV ever was. I can listen to whatever I want while reading my "mail". Immediately upon finishing, I can flip it over in a single mouse-stroke to watch whatever show I want without leaving my chair. I can pause the show at any time...and go do things I need to do, and return later to finish exactly where I left off. I can manage my bank account, purchase new furniture, buy stock, set up a vacation and even plan a full wedding in the same day without ever having to change mediums.
This IS going to force everything to a computer. Our industry has already realized this, and began utilize it. Gaming will follow, and so will peripherals as well. Why? Because why in gods name would I want to go into a different room just to play a video game? Why would I want to go anther house just to game with my friends after work? Our very nature, the one which always forces us to choose the easiest route, will force this as well. In fact, you can view this as a reason the Wii has been such a success.
You see, the Wii offers the ONE thing PC does not. Physical and mobile game interaction. Even with its meager offering of games...it is a KING in this console market. You can easily see why, when you REALLY think about it. Consoles have to ADD functionality that the PC has long had, and perfected. The Wii offers functionality that no PC has ever had, that no medium will EVER likely have, and it works.
Nope i disagree there are folks that would still rather deal with a console then deal with a pc. There are so many pc games that require upgrades folks just get tired of dealing with up grades. The console gaming industry is making a fortune now , there is no way at this point while it is still a money maker for them to walk away from something that is clearly working . It is easier to program for consoles so if anything we will see more offerings for x box 360 and ps 3. If anything the consoles will be expandable with hardware features closer to the pc. The consoles are very main stream now and with the advent of even the wii there will be folks supporting the new games that come out . The choice between upgrading a pc to play a game or the game coming out on a console i wonder which one will be the choice to buy?
The things that consoles do better than PC: 1) Gimmick perepherals (Guitar Hero, WII) 2) Cinematic gameplay (Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto) with great cutscenes You do realize that GTA, Mass Effect, etc. have those same identical cut scenes in their PC counter-parts? 3) "Party" games where players play in the same room (Madden, fighting games) Since when do people throw a madden party? Even the tournaments get players from the online ranks. The things that PC does better than console: 1) "Data coordination" (looking at a load of stats or a bunch of units like in RTS) 2) Long term, multi-session strategic play (The Sims, Sim City, Medieval Total War) 3) Repetitive activities (AKA, Grinding) Consoles have grinding as well, but less "end-game" content. You also might want to mention how console FPS games and players usually have or require less skill due to controllers being a bad interface for sensitive things like aiming and movement.
So I personally believe that both PC and console will be around for a long time coexisting with each other. What we may find though is that the console may change into something different than we have now. For example, "playable movies" you can use on a DVD player that you play using the remote control, or downloadable games from your cable provider, or "stand alone games" similar to the 1970's, but instead of a dedicated Pong console, we'd have dedicated Guitar Hero consoles that contain everything needed.
Yeah people still do madden parties. Why do you think the Wii sells so well? People like interaction with other people in the same room. Here ya go the first one says it all. The xbox might fade away. Maybe even the PS. If they dont go for that casual market then they will be gone. But if Nintendo can keep coming up with new things they aren't going anywhere.
Less skill? If a mouse and keyboard make aiming easier then wouldn't that require less skill? Both the top players from consoles and pcs have a ton of skill. Chances are though neither could compete in the other area.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Here's the thing.... I'm gonna say I agree with the article. For....unique reasons, even. You see, as we have moved forward over the last decade...I've noticed an interesting trend. The move from television to PC. I can view any movie, and any TV show, on the internet as of right now. Not just illegally either...I'm talking honest john stuff here. All of these mediums ARE being centralized on the PC...because the PC has already established the centralization of the planet in the form of the internet. I no longer watch TV anymore...any show I want to see is released on the internet (BY the production company itself) to watch online. As we continue this trend (and it will continue, there is no denying it.) we will see more people using the internet because it is a thousand times more casual friendly than TV ever was. I can listen to whatever I want while reading my "mail". Immediately upon finishing, I can flip it over in a single mouse-stroke to watch whatever show I want without leaving my chair. I can pause the show at any time...and go do things I need to do, and return later to finish exactly where I left off. I can manage my bank account, purchase new furniture, buy stock, set up a vacation and even plan a full wedding in the same day without ever having to change mediums. This IS going to force everything to a computer. Our industry has already realized this, and began utilize it. Gaming will follow, and so will peripherals as well. Why? Because why in gods name would I want to go into a different room just to play a video game? Why would I want to go anther house just to game with my friends after work? Our very nature, the one which always forces us to choose the easiest route, will force this as well. In fact, you can view this as a reason the Wii has been such a success. You see, the Wii offers the ONE thing PC does not. Physical and mobile game interaction. Even with its meager offering of games...it is a KING in this console market. You can easily see why, when you REALLY think about it. Consoles have to ADD functionality that the PC has long had, and perfected. The Wii offers functionality that no PC has ever had, that no medium will EVER likely have, and it works.
Persoanly I rather kick back on a couch and watch TV on a nice big screen then my computer. I know that Tvs can be connected to a computer but i can just flip through channles and see whats on. Dont have to wait for my internet connection to catch up. All the multi tasking you talked about playing a game listening to music and maybe downloading something would need a strong internet connection and a nice computer. Not everyone is willing to shell out the money for that kind of stuff.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Originally posted by Bunktown207 Console gaming = a controller you can sit and play with, not have to be stressed out, 10 button hot keys, a = stats, b = backpack, and c = you get the idea.... 1 controller, 8 buttons, 1 udlr cross, and 2 analogs. Now tell me how to hook a console controller up to a PC that is going to let me, watch, Alt or Shift or F1, without having to bring up a separate screen with more button pressing...and then push push push my way over to that function in the middle of a fight. Forgive me for posting this on the MMORPG forum, but with how I see it Age of Conan is going to be the deciding factor in how consoles are going to relate between PC's and consoles with their transition to the Xbox360....And as of now, as much as I enjoy running through Tabula Rasa quests, I'm still a Final Fantasy fan at heart. Bottom line, like the Wii is leaned towards the fitness/health side of gaming, PC gaming is leaning towards PvP, and consoles are more of the Recreational enjoyment, its f00lish to think that any one of these are going to just disappear. But if I'm going to be the reason that console gaming dies? then at least I'll still get enjoyment out of the solid non-massive ones that I didn't have to scramble to find the keys. But I'm the one that still rocks out SNES on Znes. That said it's pass out time, nighty night.
My god what rat infested hole have you been living in??? Are you even aware that there are PC controllers that are the exact same (even with the rumble pack) to both the PS2 and 360? I can play both FFXI (exactly the same as you would your PS2 version) and CoH incredibly well with these controllers. A lot of PC games nowadays have the option to play with a controller. Just take a look at this PC controller:
And for those touting about the Wii's interactivity with the game etc, etc.
for car racing games
for flight simulators:
for 360 fans (not that the controller changed any)
for music fans:
(yes, they made a guitar hero3 guitar for the PC as well...
There are many more controllers that I know I've seen in BestBuy, but I couldn't find any spcific pics of them online. Some great for simulators, others which make online playing "easier" etc. etc. But when you boil down to it, just as with Consoles, just a regular PS2/PC controller will normally suffice. So again... what exactly do consoles have up on PC's? As mentioned before, and I'll repeat that quote again "Consoles are a crippled PC" and nothing could be further from the truth.
Let me also remind PC doubters that even the Wii controllers have been hacked, and you'll find plenty of videos on YouTube of people who use them for either playing their games, or their operating system. It's only a matter of time before a Wii-type controller ends up being marketted for the PC as well
Eventually I think everything in your modern home will be ran through a server built into every house. And I think that since your tv will also be ran through it for entertainment purposes, what would be the point of a console takin up room in your living room?
Console gaming = a controller you can sit and play with, not have to be stressed out, 10 button hot keys, a = stats, b = backpack, and c = you get the idea....
1 controller, 8 buttons, 1 udlr cross, and 2 analogs.
Now tell me how to hook a console controller up to a PC that is going to let me, watch, Alt or Shift or F1, without having to bring up a separate screen with more button pressing...and then push push push my way over to that function in the middle of a fight.
Forgive me for posting this on the MMORPG forum, but with how I see it Age of Conan is going to be the deciding factor in how consoles are going to relate between PC's and consoles with their transition to the Xbox360....And as of now, as much as I enjoy running through Tabula Rasa quests, I'm still a Final Fantasy fan at heart.
Bottom line, like the Wii is leaned towards the fitness/health side of gaming, PC gaming is leaning towards PvP, and consoles are more of the Recreational enjoyment, its f00lish to think that any one of these are going to just disappear. But if I'm going to be the reason that console gaming dies? then at least I'll still get enjoyment out of the solid non-massive ones that I didn't have to scramble to find the keys.
But I'm the one that still rocks out SNES on Znes. That said it's pass out time, nighty night.
My god what rat infested hole have you been living in??? Are you even aware that there are PC controllers that are the exact same (even with the rumble pack) to both the PS2 and 360? I can play both FFXI (exactly the same as you would your PS2 version) and CoH incredibly well with these controllers. A lot of PC games nowadays have the option to play with a controller. Just take a look at this PC controller:
And for those touting about the Wii's interactivity with the game etc, etc.
for car racing games
for flight simulators:
for 360 fans (not that the controller changed any)
for music fans:
(yes, they made a guitar hero3 guitar for the PC as well...
There are many more controllers that I know I've seen in BestBuy, but I couldn't find any spcific pics of them online. Some great for simulators, others which make online playing "easier" etc. etc. But when you boil down to it, just as with Consoles, just a regular PS2/PC controller will normally suffice. So again... what exactly do consoles have up on PC's? As mentioned before, and I'll repeat that quote again "Consoles are a crippled PC" and nothing could be further from the truth.
Let me also remind PC doubters that even the Wii controllers have been hacked, and you'll find plenty of videos on YouTube of people who use them for either playing their games, or their operating system. It's only a matter of time before a Wii-type controller ends up being marketted for the PC as well
No. What I am trying to say, kid, is that if you are playing a game where you need to use hotkeys, you know what those are obviously like a row of 10? Forgive me, but time-wise, theres not an effective way to use a controller to cycle through your hotkeys will running around in the middle of battle. I'm not talking about FFXI. I'm talking about PvP MMO's like WoW Tabula Rasa, ANY MMO WITH A HOTBAR AND HOTKEYS.
Somehow you turned it into there being many controllers to choose from for the pc (which is exactly the complicated shit I'm talking about), from my point which was competition-wise, a controller vs a keyboard, the keyboard is going to be faster in the PvP element. I'm not even a fan of PvP's as much, it's the point.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, by all means, I like shit simple.
Notice this article wasn't written by a Nintendo executive. Looks like Microsoft raising the white flag to me. All your base are belong to Nintendo. Consoles will die when Nintendo says they are dead. Until then, pcs and consoles will have to coexist.
Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.
I love the smell of scared PC fanbois in the evening.
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I love the smell of scared PC fanbois in the evening.
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
LOL, yeah I agree...scared of what!
When game consoles can be used for spreadsheets, office work, programing programs in various languages, surfing porn, and a plethora of other things I will start to worry.
Heck as soon as they figure out how I can have sex with my computer I will marry it!
I love the smell of scared PC fanbois in the evening.
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
Scared of what, I don't know, ask Bane, I just smell fear, can't identify it yet.
I love the smell of scared PC fanbois in the evening.
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
Scared of what, I don't know, ask Bane, I just smell fear, can't identify it yet.
Never understood where people came up with the whole PC GAMING GOING TO DIE, as said before, once your game console can have the FPS controls of a PC, allow for the freedom to run w/e and dl /watch/listen/hack/mod ect then il worry. So far if anything i give the WII on the FPS controls(MP3 was awesome)
You're all wrong, consoles and PCs will be around for a long time. The only types of games I like on PCs are MMOs ( not a FPS fan). I've tried a bunch of RPGs for the PC and the only one I liked was Oblivion and Dark Messiah, but they still annoyed me due to the FPS like controls. Most of them are point and click, or FPS style and isn't my cup of tea. Face it, for some a PC will never replace the feel of a controller, and for others a controller won't replace a mouse and keyboard. Some say console games are dumbed down, but if people like it and have fun, who cares?
Well, in simple terms, he's got a point. As technology advances ever more quickly, the ability for consoles to keep up will grow even more difficult, to the point of impossibility. Look at games now. When a game is ported from an Xbox 360 to PC for example, what normally happens? Better graphics/higher resolution, extra content, etc. because the PC had already jumped ahead of the Xbox 360 in terms of affordable upgrades of better quality than the Xbox360 in less than a years time and continues to do so. And every year that goes by is roughly two upgrades in tech for computers while the console sits stagnant in its ability ( going by the 6 month rule ). In order for consoles to keep up with the latest tech available for PCs, you either have to make a new console every year at the minimum right now, or make consoles upgradeable like PCs. Neither one is feasible or logical. So yes, i can indeed see consoles eventually fading out. Whether in a decade or slightly longer is a good question, but I don't think he's too far off.
Zorvan I disagree with your premise, I think it is the opposite. Once the graphics arms race dies, the console will die. The entire reason I have an X-Box 360 is that I am guaranteed 3 years of games that are made for my graphics level without needing an upgrade. Consoles make it easier for the gamer to access games, PCs are too dammed expensive and are always trying to market some marginally better piece of hardware/software as the "new improved standard."
The PC suffers from this old saying "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered." Currently the PC market is acting like a bunch of hogs, planed obsolescence, expensive programming because of the need to fit a variety of hardware performances, and general instability caused from these two factors.
No, once PCs accept a set standard for 3 years instead of 3 months, then the PC will win the war in my opinion.
Originally posted by SonofSeth I love the smell of scared CONSOLE fanbois in the evening.
Fixed... BTW, I wasn't the one that started hatin here until the so called "enlightened" console gamers in this thread started talking their nonsense about how consoles are better and blah blah blah. I'm just showing them that their "informed" statements against PC's are a bunch of BS
I wouldn't mind seeing the bulk of stuff come back to PCs, but being realistic about it I don't see it happening. MMO right now are the only thing keeping PC "gaming" afloat.
No. What I am trying to say, kid, is that if you are playing a game where you need to use hotkeys, you know what those are obviously like a row of 10? Forgive me, but time-wise, theres not an effective way to use a controller to cycle through your hotkeys will running around in the middle of battle. I'm not talking about FFXI. I'm talking about PvP MMO's like WoW Tabula Rasa, ANY MMO WITH A HOTBAR AND HOTKEYS. Somehow you turned it into there being many controllers to choose from for the pc (which is exactly the complicated shit I'm talking about), from my point which was competition-wise, a controller vs a keyboard, the keyboard is going to be faster in the PvP element. I'm not even a fan of PvP's as much, it's the point. Someone correct me if I am wrong, by all means, I like shit simple.
1.) Until you have met me in person and know my actual age, refrain from using the term "kid" to refer to me. More than likely I could be older than you.
2.) as per your post
"Console gaming = a controller you can sit and play with, not have to be stressed out, 10 button hot keys, a = stats, b = backpack, and c = you get the idea.... 1 controller, 8 buttons, 1 udlr cross, and 2 analogs. Now tell me how to hook a console controller up to a PC that is going to let me, watch, Alt or Shift or F1, without having to bring up a separate screen with more button pressing...and then push push push my way over to that function in the middle of a fight."
From what I gathered, you seem to imply that all that comfort that you get from a console controller, you can't get from a PC, which I call a load of BS, hence why I loaded the PC controller pic that looks like the PS2 controller. What makes you think you can't have PC controller that you can "sit and play with, not have to be stressed out"? Do you do something different on the PC? do you play standing up? dancing? doing Yoga? No! You sit, just like you would with a console. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of your statement.
3.) the pics of the other controllers was in refference to another post, not made by you. Someone mentioned the interactivity of the Wii controller with the game, and how PC's would never achieve this. Which, again, I call BS. First of all: Wii controllers have already been hacked and put to use on computers to both run Windows, as well as games, not only that, but they've been put to MUCH better use/research as proved by this video on YouTube:
It will only be a matter of time until other PC game developers take the technology from the Wii controllers as this user did, and make even more immersive games.
(Notice how the user at the end of this video said that, he found out during his research, that his IR head tracking system only seems to be good for 1 player games. Which is great for PC because there are hardly any 2+ player games for PC, I'd say a good 90% of all PC games are for one player period. I could be wrong though. But I digress.)
Secondly, I posted the other pics of the other controllers to prove to whoever wrote the statement about the Wii interactivity Vs. PC game interactivity to show that the PC DOES have its ways of making games interactive, sometimes even more so than the Wii. Don't believe me? try and buy the professional flight simulator controllers for the PC, and compare them to what any console controller has to offer (if they even have one, the closest one I can think of is just the racing wheel controller for the PS2/3)
I love the smell of scared CONSOLE fanbois in the evening.
Fixed...
BTW, I wasn't the one that started hatin here until the so called "enlightened" console gamers in this thread started talking their nonsense about how consoles are better and blah blah blah. I'm just showing them that their "informed" statements against PC's are a bunch of BS
Yeah, sure, it can work both ways, but PC apologists always try waay harder to prove their point, that's why it's so much more amusing seeing them/you froth.
Originally posted by SonofSeth Originally posted by Bane82
Originally posted by SonofSeth I love the smell of scared CONSOLE fanbois in the evening.
Fixed... BTW, I wasn't the one that started hatin here until the so called "enlightened" console gamers in this thread started talking their nonsense about how consoles are better and blah blah blah. I'm just showing them that their "informed" statements against PC's are a bunch of BS
Yeah, sure, it can work both ways, but PC apologists always try waay harder to prove their point, that's why it's so much more amusing seeing them/you froth.
PC "apologists" don't have to try hard at all considering that everything console fanbois have, PC gamers have and then some. Yes, even the Wii controller can be played on a PC. Sorry, but you don't even have that up on us. Not even the ridiculous statement that "consoles are safer from piracy unlike PC games" which has already been proven to be incorrect. I even remember PC's having the first version of color VR glasses/helmets, I should know since I frequented a computer Cafe that had them. What was console's response? the Eye-gouging VR gameboy.
I'm not trying hard at all to prove my point, all the information I posted I was able to find within minutes. I'm merely pointing out the stupidity in the comments posted by the console fanbois against PC's. The fact is, the PC is a much better, more flexible medium for games than ANY console and it lasts a lot longer than consoles. I should know considering that I spent considerably less for upgrading my system to run like a 360, rather than buying a whole new system and it's still kicking, I can still upgrade it to run better if I wanted to and it would merely cost me another 1G of ram (not to mention I can pop in a better GFX card). Not bad for a computer that was older than when the first 360 came out.
I supposed if you're a complete idiot when it comes to computers, I can see how you might think "consoles are better" but the reality is quite the opposite.
Originally posted by PolearmDK Becuase consoles didnt make record amounts last year?
I hate pc gaming, except for mmo's cuase consoles dont have any good ones.
Take that up with the game developers, not the console manufacturers. PC's have a number of good games that consoles have, mass effect, GTA, assassins creed, Halo, just to name a few. I do agree with you though that not enough attention is given to PC, even though it is a more robust system than consoles. But I'll make you a bet that if they started making ALL console games for the PC, consoles would be DEAD! Why bother buying a console when you can only play PS games, or only 360 games, or Wii games, when you can play all of them indiscriminately on the PC? and don't say it's not possible for the PC to handle it, because it can. Every single game you see on the shelves for your console STARTED as a game on a PC, then encoded to play on the console operating system.
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Guess you'll never be able to dance of happiness then.
Don't dance on his dance of happiness!
Here's the thing....
I'm gonna say I agree with the article. For....unique reasons, even. You see, as we have moved forward over the last decade...I've noticed an interesting trend. The move from television to PC. I can view any movie, and any TV show, on the internet as of right now. Not just illegally either...I'm talking honest john stuff here. All of these mediums ARE being centralized on the PC...because the PC has already established the centralization of the planet in the form of the internet.
I no longer watch TV anymore...any show I want to see is released on the internet (BY the production company itself) to watch online. As we continue this trend (and it will continue, there is no denying it.) we will see more people using the internet because it is a thousand times more casual friendly than TV ever was. I can listen to whatever I want while reading my "mail". Immediately upon finishing, I can flip it over in a single mouse-stroke to watch whatever show I want without leaving my chair. I can pause the show at any time...and go do things I need to do, and return later to finish exactly where I left off. I can manage my bank account, purchase new furniture, buy stock, set up a vacation and even plan a full wedding in the same day without ever having to change mediums.
This IS going to force everything to a computer. Our industry has already realized this, and began utilize it. Gaming will follow, and so will peripherals as well. Why? Because why in gods name would I want to go into a different room just to play a video game? Why would I want to go anther house just to game with my friends after work? Our very nature, the one which always forces us to choose the easiest route, will force this as well. In fact, you can view this as a reason the Wii has been such a success.
You see, the Wii offers the ONE thing PC does not. Physical and mobile game interaction. Even with its meager offering of games...it is a KING in this console market. You can easily see why, when you REALLY think about it. Consoles have to ADD functionality that the PC has long had, and perfected. The Wii offers functionality that no PC has ever had, that no medium will EVER likely have, and it works.
Nope i disagree there are folks that would still rather deal with a console then deal with a pc. There are so many pc games that require upgrades folks just get tired of dealing with up grades. The console gaming industry is making a fortune now , there is no way at this point while it is still a money maker for them to walk away from something that is clearly working . It is easier to program for consoles so if anything we will see more offerings for x box 360 and ps 3. If anything the consoles will be expandable with hardware features closer to the pc. The consoles are very main stream now and with the advent of even the wii there will be folks supporting the new games that come out . The choice between upgrading a pc to play a game or the game coming out on a console i wonder which one will be the choice to buy?
Ray Kurzweil is gona bitchslap all of you, the ones that say go consoles and the ones who say go PC too.
Man, don't make me look this up......
Yeah people still do madden parties. Why do you think the Wii sells so well? People like interaction with other people in the same room. Here ya go the first one says it all. The xbox might fade away. Maybe even the PS. If they dont go for that casual market then they will be gone. But if Nintendo can keep coming up with new things they aren't going anywhere.
Less skill? If a mouse and keyboard make aiming easier then wouldn't that require less skill? Both the top players from consoles and pcs have a ton of skill. Chances are though neither could compete in the other area.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Persoanly I rather kick back on a couch and watch TV on a nice big screen then my computer. I know that Tvs can be connected to a computer but i can just flip through channles and see whats on. Dont have to wait for my internet connection to catch up. All the multi tasking you talked about playing a game listening to music and maybe downloading something would need a strong internet connection and a nice computer. Not everyone is willing to shell out the money for that kind of stuff.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
My god what rat infested hole have you been living in??? Are you even aware that there are PC controllers that are the exact same (even with the rumble pack) to both the PS2 and 360? I can play both FFXI (exactly the same as you would your PS2 version) and CoH incredibly well with these controllers. A lot of PC games nowadays have the option to play with a controller. Just take a look at this PC controller:
And for those touting about the Wii's interactivity with the game etc, etc.
for car racing games
for flight simulators:
for 360 fans (not that the controller changed any)
for music fans:
(yes, they made a guitar hero3 guitar for the PC as well...
There are many more controllers that I know I've seen in BestBuy, but I couldn't find any spcific pics of them online. Some great for simulators, others which make online playing "easier" etc. etc. But when you boil down to it, just as with Consoles, just a regular PS2/PC controller will normally suffice. So again... what exactly do consoles have up on PC's? As mentioned before, and I'll repeat that quote again "Consoles are a crippled PC" and nothing could be further from the truth.
Let me also remind PC doubters that even the Wii controllers have been hacked, and you'll find plenty of videos on YouTube of people who use them for either playing their games, or their operating system. It's only a matter of time before a Wii-type controller ends up being marketted for the PC as well
Eventually I think everything in your modern home will be ran through a server built into every house. And I think that since your tv will also be ran through it for entertainment purposes, what would be the point of a console takin up room in your living room?
My god what rat infested hole have you been living in??? Are you even aware that there are PC controllers that are the exact same (even with the rumble pack) to both the PS2 and 360? I can play both FFXI (exactly the same as you would your PS2 version) and CoH incredibly well with these controllers. A lot of PC games nowadays have the option to play with a controller. Just take a look at this PC controller:
And for those touting about the Wii's interactivity with the game etc, etc.
for car racing games
for flight simulators:
for 360 fans (not that the controller changed any)
for music fans:
(yes, they made a guitar hero3 guitar for the PC as well...
There are many more controllers that I know I've seen in BestBuy, but I couldn't find any spcific pics of them online. Some great for simulators, others which make online playing "easier" etc. etc. But when you boil down to it, just as with Consoles, just a regular PS2/PC controller will normally suffice. So again... what exactly do consoles have up on PC's? As mentioned before, and I'll repeat that quote again "Consoles are a crippled PC" and nothing could be further from the truth.
Let me also remind PC doubters that even the Wii controllers have been hacked, and you'll find plenty of videos on YouTube of people who use them for either playing their games, or their operating system. It's only a matter of time before a Wii-type controller ends up being marketted for the PC as well
No. What I am trying to say, kid, is that if you are playing a game where you need to use hotkeys, you know what those are obviously like a row of 10? Forgive me, but time-wise, theres not an effective way to use a controller to cycle through your hotkeys will running around in the middle of battle. I'm not talking about FFXI. I'm talking about PvP MMO's like WoW Tabula Rasa, ANY MMO WITH A HOTBAR AND HOTKEYS.
Somehow you turned it into there being many controllers to choose from for the pc (which is exactly the complicated shit I'm talking about), from my point which was competition-wise, a controller vs a keyboard, the keyboard is going to be faster in the PvP element. I'm not even a fan of PvP's as much, it's the point.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, by all means, I like shit simple.
I love the smell of scared PC fanbois in the evening.
Notice this article wasn't written by a Nintendo executive. Looks like Microsoft raising the white flag to me. All your base are belong to Nintendo. Consoles will die when Nintendo says they are dead. Until then, pcs and consoles will have to coexist.
Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
LOL, yeah I agree...scared of what!
When game consoles can be used for spreadsheets, office work, programing programs in various languages, surfing porn, and a plethora of other things I will start to worry.
Heck as soon as they figure out how I can have sex with my computer I will marry it!
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
Scared of what, I don't know, ask Bane, I just smell fear, can't identify it yet.
Scared what of?
As long as there are PC's there will be PC gaming.
And in 8 years time the PS2 will be dead [due to crap graphics and games]. And the PS3 will be seriously outdated [this assumes much on future tech]. And in 8 years you will be able to get a PC that out paces both the Xbox360 and PS3 combined for 50% the cost.
Scared of what, I don't know, ask Bane, I just smell fear, can't identify it yet.
Never understood where people came up with the whole PC GAMING GOING TO DIE, as said before, once your game console can have the FPS controls of a PC, allow for the freedom to run w/e and dl /watch/listen/hack/mod ect then il worry. So far if anything i give the WII on the FPS controls(MP3 was awesome)
You're all wrong, consoles and PCs will be around for a long time. The only types of games I like on PCs are MMOs ( not a FPS fan). I've tried a bunch of RPGs for the PC and the only one I liked was Oblivion and Dark Messiah, but they still annoyed me due to the FPS like controls. Most of them are point and click, or FPS style and isn't my cup of tea. Face it, for some a PC will never replace the feel of a controller, and for others a controller won't replace a mouse and keyboard. Some say console games are dumbed down, but if people like it and have fun, who cares?
Zorvan I disagree with your premise, I think it is the opposite. Once the graphics arms race dies, the console will die. The entire reason I have an X-Box 360 is that I am guaranteed 3 years of games that are made for my graphics level without needing an upgrade. Consoles make it easier for the gamer to access games, PCs are too dammed expensive and are always trying to market some marginally better piece of hardware/software as the "new improved standard."
The PC suffers from this old saying "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered." Currently the PC market is acting like a bunch of hogs, planed obsolescence, expensive programming because of the need to fit a variety of hardware performances, and general instability caused from these two factors.
No, once PCs accept a set standard for 3 years instead of 3 months, then the PC will win the war in my opinion.
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BTW, I wasn't the one that started hatin here until the so called "enlightened" console gamers in this thread started talking their nonsense about how consoles are better and blah blah blah. I'm just showing them that their "informed" statements against PC's are a bunch of BS
I wouldn't mind seeing the bulk of stuff come back to PCs, but being realistic about it I don't see it happening. MMO right now are the only thing keeping PC "gaming" afloat.
1.) Until you have met me in person and know my actual age, refrain from using the term "kid" to refer to me. More than likely I could be older than you.
2.) as per your post
"Console gaming = a controller you can sit and play with, not have to be stressed out, 10 button hot keys, a = stats, b = backpack, and c = you get the idea....
1 controller, 8 buttons, 1 udlr cross, and 2 analogs.
Now tell me how to hook a console controller up to a PC that is going to let me, watch, Alt or Shift or F1, without having to bring up a separate screen with more button pressing...and then push push push my way over to that function in the middle of a fight."
From what I gathered, you seem to imply that all that comfort that you get from a console controller, you can't get from a PC, which I call a load of BS, hence why I loaded the PC controller pic that looks like the PS2 controller. What makes you think you can't have PC controller that you can "sit and play with, not have to be stressed out"? Do you do something different on the PC? do you play standing up? dancing? doing Yoga? No! You sit, just like you would with a console. I was merely pointing out the fallacy of your statement.
3.) the pics of the other controllers was in refference to another post, not made by you. Someone mentioned the interactivity of the Wii controller with the game, and how PC's would never achieve this. Which, again, I call BS. First of all: Wii controllers have already been hacked and put to use on computers to both run Windows, as well as games, not only that, but they've been put to MUCH better use/research as proved by this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
It will only be a matter of time until other PC game developers take the technology from the Wii controllers as this user did, and make even more immersive games.
(Notice how the user at the end of this video said that, he found out during his research, that his IR head tracking system only seems to be good for 1 player games. Which is great for PC because there are hardly any 2+ player games for PC, I'd say a good 90% of all PC games are for one player period. I could be wrong though. But I digress.)
Secondly, I posted the other pics of the other controllers to prove to whoever wrote the statement about the Wii interactivity Vs. PC game interactivity to show that the PC DOES have its ways of making games interactive, sometimes even more so than the Wii. Don't believe me? try and buy the professional flight simulator controllers for the PC, and compare them to what any console controller has to offer (if they even have one, the closest one I can think of is just the racing wheel controller for the PS2/3)
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BTW, I wasn't the one that started hatin here until the so called "enlightened" console gamers in this thread started talking their nonsense about how consoles are better and blah blah blah. I'm just showing them that their "informed" statements against PC's are a bunch of BS
Yeah, sure, it can work both ways, but PC apologists always try waay harder to prove their point, that's why it's so much more amusing seeing them/you froth.
Becuase consoles didnt make record amounts last year?
I hate pc gaming, except for mmo's cuase consoles dont have any good ones.
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BTW, I wasn't the one that started hatin here until the so called "enlightened" console gamers in this thread started talking their nonsense about how consoles are better and blah blah blah. I'm just showing them that their "informed" statements against PC's are a bunch of BS
Yeah, sure, it can work both ways, but PC apologists always try waay harder to prove their point, that's why it's so much more amusing seeing them/you froth.
PC "apologists" don't have to try hard at all considering that everything console fanbois have, PC gamers have and then some. Yes, even the Wii controller can be played on a PC. Sorry, but you don't even have that up on us. Not even the ridiculous statement that "consoles are safer from piracy unlike PC games" which has already been proven to be incorrect. I even remember PC's having the first version of color VR glasses/helmets, I should know since I frequented a computer Cafe that had them. What was console's response? the Eye-gouging VR gameboy.
I'm not trying hard at all to prove my point, all the information I posted I was able to find within minutes. I'm merely pointing out the stupidity in the comments posted by the console fanbois against PC's. The fact is, the PC is a much better, more flexible medium for games than ANY console and it lasts a lot longer than consoles. I should know considering that I spent considerably less for upgrading my system to run like a 360, rather than buying a whole new system and it's still kicking, I can still upgrade it to run better if I wanted to and it would merely cost me another 1G of ram (not to mention I can pop in a better GFX card). Not bad for a computer that was older than when the first 360 came out.
I supposed if you're a complete idiot when it comes to computers, I can see how you might think "consoles are better" but the reality is quite the opposite.
Take that up with the game developers, not the console manufacturers. PC's have a number of good games that consoles have, mass effect, GTA, assassins creed, Halo, just to name a few. I do agree with you though that not enough attention is given to PC, even though it is a more robust system than consoles. But I'll make you a bet that if they started making ALL console games for the PC, consoles would be DEAD! Why bother buying a console when you can only play PS games, or only 360 games, or Wii games, when you can play all of them indiscriminately on the PC? and don't say it's not possible for the PC to handle it, because it can. Every single game you see on the shelves for your console STARTED as a game on a PC, then encoded to play on the console operating system.