Actually AGE OF CONAN has about 500,000 subscribers that is not a failure and Gaute left for his own reasons and he may have not been the best for the game but he certainly was not the worst so you can pretend AoC is going to die but how can it be dead when it has 50 servers and 500,000 customers???
Where do you get the 500k from? Funcom won't tell us how many subscribers they have. How would you know?
i m guessing it was proberbly what he heard from someone in game . every smaller mmo i ve ever played is full of people who think its the best game ever . most actually do have something to offer though i would say to be fair to them .
im not a hater of AOC, but i think this is good for both AOC and FC
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A company that defrauds costumer's expectations, selling them a unfinished product (1 million copies sold, they say...), charges them with monthly fees, feeding them with promisses of future great adventures, and other cheap talks...
Trying to sell their costumers an expansion to solve them all their problems and fulfill their dreams... (we all know the buggs and lack of content will still be there)
I just wonder why some people still pay them a monthly fee... are they just kids? are they addicted? don't they feel cheated?
Of course this game as no future (I already said it before in 07/10/2007 here: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1505908#1505908 , when the game was still in development, and everyone flamed me for making my judgements public) and after all this mess, neither the biggest Producer or Game Director can undo the lack of credibility they managed to achieve.
Now we are waiting for the resignation of John Smedley from SoE.....mhhhh that would take a miracle though
I am eagerly awaiting the incredibly-long-delayed "Smed Special" game (the one about playing a secret agent). Because I fully expect it to fail magnificently, hopefully finally forcing Smeds to go away.
If Smed does resign, I *might* consider someday giving SOE some of my money again. But they'd have to roll back years worth of bad changes to the games I once played, and I just don't think they will. Too bad, as I really liked old-school Planetside, and I had fun in EQ1 and EQ2 for years. I'd like to revisit them, but omg are they full of drek now
To all those who re-sub thinking now things will be different. Don't be a sucker!
Granted things may indeed be different but has FC earned that trust? Wait until the game is proven to have been improved before you give FC more money for another marketing ploy.
Resigns?? More like Who did Godager piss off? Doncha love it how even Erling can be so cordial about techincally firing Godager. My question is, how can you "Pour your heart out" on a project like AoC and leave/resign/get fired 4 months later. Why don't people just be truthful and just say what they mean. Like rats leaving a sinking ship. I don't understand why they didn't put Craig on AoC to begin with. It doesn't matter now because FunCom will never see the launch numbers ever again. I mean, companies gotta blame someone and look who they blamed.
HAHA! At least they didn't pull an SOE and blame the players for the state of the game!
Now LotRO did not do all that badly and Tabula Rasa and Vanguard might be able to pull themselves out just like AoC will need to do (quite a few MMORPGs seem to need to do that recently), but people should notice how Kaplan and Chilton at Blizzard are still collecting their paychecks.
First, I think his firing was appropriate. The game was overhyped on so many different attributes that simply weren't in the game at launch. That's unnacceptable today. Maybe 10 years ago you could get away with it, but not today. I don't think he fully appreciated it.
Second, I think he was infatuated with the combat system so much, that he forgot about making a good game. I believe he thought customers would just have so much fun mashing different buttons to do combos that it would be the main factor in the game. He guessed wrong.
Oh well, I don't know if I'll come back to AoC. Most of the folks I know from that game are gone, my guild left, and I'm having fun in Warhammer. If Warhammer doesn't deliver, maybe I'll resub back to AoC if I hear things have gotten better under new management.
but honestly i seen this coming a mile away. this ship would have sank with such a "politician" as a producer. Lots of hype and promises but slow results.
Who cares. Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have posted.
. Just play WAR and have fun. AoC is a fun game. So it didn't come with all the features promised and you feel like you wasted 50 bucks - who cares, get over it and quit bitching. Poor guy got fired because he didn't realize (or chose to not believe) what a bunch of pompous idiots the mmo community really is.
He got fired for being a pompous idiot. So, as you say, get over it.
Who cares. Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have posted.
. Just play WAR and have fun. AoC is a fun game. So it didn't come with all the features promised and you feel like you wasted 50 bucks - who cares, get over it and quit bitching. Poor guy got fired because he didn't realize (or chose to not believe) what a bunch of pompous idiots the mmo community really is.
He got fired for being a pompous idiot. So, as you say, get over it.
Kiss blows.
With such a witty repertoire, I wouldn't be surprised to find out you were a FunCom employee. You seem as full of "win" as they do.
I have been hoping this would happen since he gave away in 2002 that he didn't understand how his own game worked. The man couldn't finish a paragraph without using the word "intended," and he almost always managed to insult thousands of people in the process. If not for Silirrion, Anarchy Online would be stone cold dead today, and it's exciting and gratifying that he'll be taking over Age of Conan. Maybe that game can have the bright future it deserves after all.
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He should have been "hanged" (fired) long time ago, at least it's better late than never. Lets see how things go with this patch and if people cry in tears of joy, then i guess i better reinstall and see if i'll rejoice as well.
At least the person everyone loves to hate is gone, i hope he wasn't just the scape goat but the reason for this mess, else it won't change anything.
Please let there be light and fix AoC finally, the game has a lot of potential.
I'm sure he is the scape goat. No one person is at fault. This failure was a team effort. He isn't the programming team.
AOC's fundimental design will keep it from ever being fixed. Too much of a instanced game to ever have that persistant world MMO feel I am looking for.
The only dept I would say did a decent job is the art dept. Shame the programmers couldn't do the art justice.
These devs just don't get it, they always over promise and under deliver. When will MMO developers learn that the majority of MMO players don't have the patience to play un-finished and buggy games.
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Where do you get the 500k from? Funcom won't tell us how many subscribers they have. How would you know?
i m guessing it was proberbly what he heard from someone in game . every smaller mmo i ve ever played is full of people who think its the best game ever . most actually do have something to offer though i would say to be fair to them .
im not a hater of AOC, but i think this is good for both AOC and FC
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I think everyone could see this coming...
A company that defrauds costumer's expectations, selling them a unfinished product (1 million copies sold, they say...), charges them with monthly fees, feeding them with promisses of future great adventures, and other cheap talks...
Trying to sell their costumers an expansion to solve them all their problems and fulfill their dreams... (we all know the buggs and lack of content will still be there)
I just wonder why some people still pay them a monthly fee... are they just kids? are they addicted? don't they feel cheated?
Of course this game as no future (I already said it before in 07/10/2007 here: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1505908#1505908 , when the game was still in development, and everyone flamed me for making my judgements public) and after all this mess, neither the biggest Producer or Game Director can undo the lack of credibility they managed to achieve.
I am eagerly awaiting the incredibly-long-delayed "Smed Special" game (the one about playing a secret agent). Because I fully expect it to fail magnificently, hopefully finally forcing Smeds to go away.
If Smed does resign, I *might* consider someday giving SOE some of my money again. But they'd have to roll back years worth of bad changes to the games I once played, and I just don't think they will. Too bad, as I really liked old-school Planetside, and I had fun in EQ1 and EQ2 for years. I'd like to revisit them, but omg are they full of drek now
About time that he resigns, too bad its a little too late to save the game. Most people have already given up hope on Funcom as a company
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I'm guessing he was actually fired.
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Craig has done a really cool job with AO. It will be interesting to watch this one fold out in 12 months.
To all those who re-sub thinking now things will be different. Don't be a sucker!
Granted things may indeed be different but has FC earned that trust? Wait until the game is proven to have been improved before you give FC more money for another marketing ploy.
HAHA! At least they didn't pull an SOE and blame the players for the state of the game!
This would also be the time to add a little trip down memory lane. History is something that is often overlooked by the MMORPG community.
http://www.warcry.com/news/view/77595-Jeff-Anderson-Out-As-Turbine-President-CEO
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/new-role-for-garriott-at-ncsoft
http://www.playfuls.com/news_10401_Sigil_Games_Online_Going_Down_Blame_Brad_McQuaid.html
Now LotRO did not do all that badly and Tabula Rasa and Vanguard might be able to pull themselves out just like AoC will need to do (quite a few MMORPGs seem to need to do that recently), but people should notice how Kaplan and Chilton at Blizzard are still collecting their paychecks.
then Age of Conan truely failed, truly
AOC is in trouble, that's what this story tells me.....nuff said.
First, I think his firing was appropriate. The game was overhyped on so many different attributes that simply weren't in the game at launch. That's unnacceptable today. Maybe 10 years ago you could get away with it, but not today. I don't think he fully appreciated it.
Second, I think he was infatuated with the combat system so much, that he forgot about making a good game. I believe he thought customers would just have so much fun mashing different buttons to do combos that it would be the main factor in the game. He guessed wrong.
Oh well, I don't know if I'll come back to AoC. Most of the folks I know from that game are gone, my guild left, and I'm having fun in Warhammer. If Warhammer doesn't deliver, maybe I'll resub back to AoC if I hear things have gotten better under new management.
I will return to AoC if it improves. I love the Conan story and thought this game has great potential.
Until then, it's Warhammer for me. And LoTRO. I just need a good Sci-Fi fix.
it's just sad that SWG didn't do the same... lol
but honestly i seen this coming a mile away. this ship would have sank with such a "politician" as a producer. Lots of hype and promises but slow results.
maybe in 6 months it'll be worth checking out.
Who cares.
And their not gonna say anything about the huge 250 Mb PVP patch that they released yesterday? people are going back to AoC
It's a tough industry no doubt. And Gaute worked hard for a long long time. No sympathy for sell-outs though, sorry Gaute, I'm glad to see you go.
He got fired for being a pompous idiot. So, as you say, get over it.
He got fired for being a pompous idiot. So, as you say, get over it.
Kiss blows.
With such a witty repertoire, I wouldn't be surprised to find out you were a FunCom employee. You seem as full of "win" as they do.
Thank God. Best news in years.
I have been hoping this would happen since he gave away in 2002 that he didn't understand how his own game worked. The man couldn't finish a paragraph without using the word "intended," and he almost always managed to insult thousands of people in the process. If not for Silirrion, Anarchy Online would be stone cold dead today, and it's exciting and gratifying that he'll be taking over Age of Conan. Maybe that game can have the bright future it deserves after all.
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Fired | resigned... so what?
They could have saved SWG with a similar move. Even it was a smart decision both for FunCom and Goadger. I agree not an easy one.
Also contrary to what some think, AoC will have a second launch with the 360 version and maybe a third launch with Conan movie.
So the game is far from dead, be sure of it.
I'm sure he is the scape goat. No one person is at fault. This failure was a team effort. He isn't the programming team.
AOC's fundimental design will keep it from ever being fixed. Too much of a instanced game to ever have that persistant world MMO feel I am looking for.
The only dept I would say did a decent job is the art dept. Shame the programmers couldn't do the art justice.
Resigned? Bullshit, he was fired and everyone knows it.
I don't know what to make of the "news" on this site anymore. Stradden why not report accurately instead of just reprinting press releases. Geez.
These devs just don't get it, they always over promise and under deliver. When will MMO developers learn that the majority of MMO players don't have the patience to play un-finished and buggy games.
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