{Snip} I don't have to justify my gaming history or my opinion to some butthurt sandbox gamer crying on the forums. I read 100000 topics a day regarding sandbox games being the messiah, frankly my patience has wore out. You people state the same crap over and over as if you were actually bring new or interesting topics up.
It is a shame the Mod edited my reply because it would have stopped some of your attacks on everyone else too.
Your gaming experience is minimal, period.
If you don't understand more complex games it is because you have simply not been playing games, any of them, for very long. Sandboxes, as you rant on and on against, were never something that you played because you were a little boy at the time they came out. And little boys tend not to go backward to play games that were already released.
People that have played more complex games want MORE in todays games as well. Children that never saw those games and grew up with their gaming umbilical cord strung across the floor to a TV are terrified of any deep water in gaming.
I would LOVE to see a combination of the two (yes yes Darkfall blah blah blah... I still am on record saying that Darkfall is the Piltdown Man of games. Somewhere there are a bunch of pranksters laughing that they have conned a decade of people in to believing in this mythical creature called 'Darkfall' ... beta or not, I still believe it is a Hoax.)
"Fast" team oriented game play - ala City of Heroes... Plus PvP and RvR worlds - taken from perhaps War would be a start, But with the depth and complexity of an Asheron's Call spell system and skill systems would create a Great game. But the nintendo whiners soak their carpets every time anyone calls for more depth in a game than Diablo.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Tap-tap-tap gaming industry people, Are you listening?
Again another butthurt response. Listen. I never said anything negative about sandbox games. It's the players that annoy me.
In fact my "ideal" mmorpg IS a sandbox. Like ZOMG.
just to go back into a earlier post of mine
"Your guild raids another town, your guild and it's members are pillagers and your reputation will remain so forever. You can't go grind some mobs to undo it. You can't change guilds and escape your reputation.
Have situations where if you kill someone in sight of a guard, you become wanted and hated in the city forever. If someone escapes your ganking attempt and reports you to a guard, the same situation occurs, heck perhaps even if your seen by ANY other players they can report you as well(perhaps you get a list and icons appear over witness' heads,) If you can't clean up the situation then your going
Have options to sneak into towns, and avoid guards.
Prisons.
War between countries where perhaps a country could be perminantly destroyed off the server.
Guilds building up a city that grows in size and members, and reputation and eventually becomes a force to reckon with for the other real nations, forming alliances that all share a part in the town. Heck even becoming the capital city in perhaps a entire country. Not just "XXXXXXXX's guild city.
This is the pvp i want.
I don't want random ganking while someones mining just because you get your kicks from it. Killing him for his resources, and then having to kill witness'. Miner's for example find a cave(perhaps they spawn randomly under the ground when excavagating. then a guild sends in a team to mine it quickly, while guards are posted in the cave and around the cave."
I'm all up for sandbox's as long as they are truely involved and deep systems to encourage meaningful pvp, discouraging random ganking, and bring in guild vs guild conflicts, and major systems in the game that basically allow the playerbase to affect a server enough that each server of the game vary drastically with how they are after a couple years.
But the thing is, I don't get butthurt over it. I don't troll every game coming out for not being what I really want.
You see, beyond just this, I actually like having fun in games. And I'll play a game that's fun. I won't ask a game to be something it's not, and i won't bash it for being something its not.
I have the same issue with open sandbox fans, eve fans, and darkfall fans. They all hold the holier than thou, my game choices are better, and I'm a more mature player for liking these types of games.
I generally don't go into discussions anymore, since even if I did write out a essay about the topic, you wouldn't even read it. You wouldn't take it to heart. You would either just skip over it, or pretend you didn't read it, and continue on with your posts.
{Snip} I don't have to justify my gaming history or my opinion to some butthurt sandbox gamer crying on the forums. I read 100000 topics a day regarding sandbox games being the messiah, frankly my patience has wore out. You people state the same crap over and over as if you were actually bring new or interesting topics up.
It is a shame the Mod edited my reply because it would have stopped some of your attacks on everyone else too.
Your gaming experience is minimal, period.
If you don't understand more complex games it is because you have simply not been playing games, any of them, for very long. Sandboxes, as you rant on and on against, were never something that you played because you were a little boy at the time they came out. And little boys tend not to go backward to play games that were already released.
People that have played more complex games want MORE in todays games as well. Children that never saw those games and grew up with their gaming umbilical cord strung across the floor to a TV are terrified of any deep water in gaming.
I would LOVE to see a combination of the two (yes yes Darkfall blah blah blah... I still am on record saying that Darkfall is the Piltdown Man of games. Somewhere there are a bunch of pranksters laughing that they have conned a decade of people in to believing in this mythical creature called 'Darkfall' ... beta or not, I still believe it is a Hoax.)
"Fast" team oriented game play - ala City of Heroes... Plus PvP and RvR worlds - taken from perhaps War would be a start, But with the depth and complexity of an Asheron's Call spell system and skill systems would create a Great game. But the nintendo whiners soak their carpets every time anyone calls for more depth in a game than Diablo.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Tap-tap-tap gaming industry people, Are you listening?
Again another butthurt response. Listen. I never said anything negative about sandbox games. It's the players that annoy me.
In fact my "ideal" mmorpg IS a sandbox. Like ZOMG.
just to go back into a earlier post of mine
"Your guild raids another town, your guild and it's members are pillagers and your reputation will remain so forever. You can't go grind some mobs to undo it. You can't change guilds and escape your reputation.
Have situations where if you kill someone in sight of a guard, you become wanted and hated in the city forever. If someone escapes your ganking attempt and reports you to a guard, the same situation occurs, heck perhaps even if your seen by ANY other players they can report you as well(perhaps you get a list and icons appear over witness' heads,) If you can't clean up the situation then your going
Have options to sneak into towns, and avoid guards.
Prisons.
War between countries where perhaps a country could be perminantly destroyed off the server.
Guilds building up a city that grows in size and members, and reputation and eventually becomes a force to reckon with for the other real nations, forming alliances that all share a part in the town. Heck even becoming the capital city in perhaps a entire country. Not just "XXXXXXXX's guild city.
This is the pvp i want.
I don't want random ganking while someones mining just because you get your kicks from it. Killing him for his resources, and then having to kill witness'. Miner's for example find a cave(perhaps they spawn randomly under the ground when excavagating. then a guild sends in a team to mine it quickly, while guards are posted in the cave and around the cave."
I'm all up for sandbox's as long as they are truely involved and deep systems to encourage meaningful pvp, discouraging random ganking, and bring in guild vs guild conflicts, and major systems in the game that basically allow the playerbase to affect a server enough that each server of the game vary drastically with how they are after a couple years.
But the thing is, I don't get butthurt over it. I don't troll every game coming out for not being what I really want.
You see, beyond just this, I actually like having fun in games. And I'll play a game that's fun. I won't ask a game to be something it's not, and i won't bash it for being something its not.
I have the same issue with open sandbox fans, eve fans, and darkfall fans. They all hold the holier than thou, my game choices are better, and I'm a more mature player for liking these types of games.
I generally don't go into discussions anymore, since even if I did write out a essay about the topic, you wouldn't even read it. You wouldn't take it to heart. You would either just skip over it, or pretend you didn't read it, and continue on with your posts.
Dude, you rock. Seriously. Open mindedness, ftw! I am the same way. Sure, I have a particular image in my mind of what the perfect MMO or computer game should be. But, just because some developer couldn't read my mind, doesn't mean I'm going to hate on every new game that comes out. If the game can stand on it's own for what it is...and is fun, I'll play it. Nuff said.
The answer is very simple. Warhammer lacks a world. A world you live in. Not a world you die in 55 times a day (or more) to "level". Game is not an MMORPG and this has nothing to do with "lineair" or "sandbox". It's a simple (very simple) MMO combat PC game. Not an MMORPG. The only challenge in WAR will be HOW many idiots would want to pay to play after the free month playing. Attrition will be HUGE. No doubt about that. Hey Mythic !!! People actually want to be IN a world they adventure in, they already have ENOUGH on line combat games (with FAR more better graphics btw) and these are FREE !
Wow, more stupid complaints. We have some delusional people on these boards. The tiers make the game feel more like an MMORPG to me rather than running around a gigantic world unable to find meeting spots to PvP in.
Since JonnyBigBoss can't read more than one sentence at a time ... i'll repeat my last sentence:
Hey Mythic !!! People actually want to be IN a world they adventure (and live) in, they already have ENOUGH on line combat games (with FAR more better graphics btw) and these are FREE !
Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader. I read them all
But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point.
But we conflict over how that game will ever come about. Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better.
Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008.
Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here. Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago.
Yawn. I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.
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If you bought the game and knew nothing about it beforehand, that's your own damn fault. If you played the beta and came to this conclusion... ok, you're entitled to your opinion. Maybe you should try some constructive criticism however. This just seems like useless banter.
I hate to break it to you pal.... but he's kind of entitled to his opinion whether he was in Beta or not.
Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader. I read them all But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point. But we conflict over how that game will ever come about. Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better. Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008. Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here. Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago. Yawn. I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.
You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.
First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters. The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless. There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."
Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum. Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses? Because that's where the arguements begin.
You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill. In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out. Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers. I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there. That may change later on, I don't know
The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though. Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all. Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay? Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.
Then we get into the nothing new here.
There has never been public quests.
There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.
There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.
Then theres the evolutions
The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.
You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago. Heres where I smell total trash. You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"
But heres the thing, that's true for all video games. Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.
All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.
What are you expecting for gameplay? Virtual reality?
Anyone wonder why there so many defenders of game that is active and great that they waste there time posting? It must be shear struggle too pull yourself away from the game(you would die for?) to come hear? Maybe they have no-one too play with? I heard once that ah the computer I am on cannot support the graphics for warhammer! The graphics?LOL ,What was that a 486? Anyway I never Thur on my cape too defend any game I liked to come to the forums and post. Anywhoo waiting for you darkfall, and if it is not any good o'well.
Anyone wonder why there so many defenders of game that is active and great that they waste there time posting? It must be shear struggle too pull yourself away from the game(you would die for?) to come hear? Maybe they have no-one too play with? I heard once that ah the computer I am on cannot support the graphics for warhammer! The graphics?LOL ,What was that a 486? Anyway I never Thur on my cape too defend any game I liked to come to the forums and post. Anywhoo waiting for you darkfall, and if it is not any good o'well.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Anyone wonder why there so many defenders of game that is active and great that they waste there time posting? It must be shear struggle too pull yourself away from the game(you would die for?) to come hear? Maybe they have no-one too play with? I heard once that ah the computer I am on cannot support the graphics for warhammer! The graphics?LOL ,What was that a 486? Anyway I never Thur on my cape too defend any game I liked to come to the forums and post. Anywhoo waiting for you darkfall, and if it is not any good o'well.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Hate to point this out Bladin, but if trolls didn't have the food it took to feed them (the counter arguments)..they'd grow bored and go back under their bridge and grumble to themselves.
Anyone wonder why there so many defenders of game that is active and great that they waste there time posting? It must be shear struggle too pull yourself away from the game(you would die for?) to come hear? Maybe they have no-one too play with? I heard once that ah the computer I am on cannot support the graphics for warhammer! The graphics?LOL ,What was that a 486? Anyway I never Thur on my cape too defend any game I liked to come to the forums and post. Anywhoo waiting for you darkfall, and if it is not any good o'well.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Hate to point this out Bladin, but if trolls didn't have the food it took to feed them (the counter arguments)..they'd grow bored and go back under their bridge and grumble to themselves.
yeah... it's true. And i really should avoid doing it. But bleh i'm bored, and trying to find a server to play on isn't exactly exciting.
After just rolling a char randomly on wow and later regretting it when everyone i know was so spread out, I want to be sure before i make a final choice.
Anyone wonder why there so many defenders of game that is active and great that they waste there time posting? It must be shear struggle too pull yourself away from the game(you would die for?) to come hear? Maybe they have no-one too play with? I heard once that ah the computer I am on cannot support the graphics for warhammer! The graphics?LOL ,What was that a 486? Anyway I never Thur on my cape too defend any game I liked to come to the forums and post. Anywhoo waiting for you darkfall, and if it is not any good o'well.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Hate to point this out Bladin, but if trolls didn't have the food it took to feed them (the counter arguments)..they'd grow bored and go back under their bridge and grumble to themselves.
yeah... it's true. And i really should avoid doing it. But bleh i'm bored, and trying to find a server to play on isn't exactly exciting.
After just rolling a char randomly on wow and later regretting it when everyone i know was so spread out, I want to be sure before i make a final choice.
I agree as well. My posts are sually made more out of boredom than anything i really want to say. Since there's little point to it..though some have been in a good discussion, albeit rare and far between.
I like to think that trying to reasonably discuss anything with trolls is like being in a round room looking for a corner...can't help the frustration and annoyance sinking in.
I dunno if Ive been palying too many good games lately but WAR just doesn't cut it for me in terms of graphics, gameplay or community..I mean, its ok, but not worth the sub
ManJunk said "You are completely missing the concept. The game is centered around RvR which can involve hundreds of players at a time. There really isn't much more to be said about it."
(I would quote it but somewhere in this forum there is an open code that is taking the right side of my text boxes in to the next dimension) I think the RvR would be great! And I will concede that for a game that will have many dozens (I will wait to see if they can actually pull off the 100's that they are hoping for) PvPing the stuffing out of each other will be difficult especially getting it to run smoothly on low end machines and toaster overs like what people are using to play wow and other junk. I love the idea... but well, can't we have a little depth too? I feel like Oliver holding up my empty video card asking "Please, Sir, can I have some more?" My computer is going to mutany if I don't give it something to do while I am playing Warbummer. I think my G9 mouse has enough computing power to run the depth of this game How about... The Spell System and Loot Items from Asheron's Call The Teaming mechanics from City of Heroes The Graphics from Age of Conan The Crafting from Anarchy Online And the RvR from Warhammer? Perfect game?
Hell yeah, I want that too!!!
me too problem and i quote from ati / amd . here they said graphics today 20x time more powerful them 5 years ago but most company,s are too lazy too make higher end mmo . want fast cheap way making money is up too the player demand better grahics. NVIDIA PhysX System on board now with new video cards min 512 momory up 2 gigs od ddr 3 ram . todays graphics has alot .
and with coming 8 cpu chips out his nov. cpu be min 36 gb raw power.
not that new cpu can,t handle it . up too company make game players want.
Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader. I read them all But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point. But we conflict over how that game will ever come about. Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better. Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008. Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here. Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago. Yawn. I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.
Your awesome
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
This is a game all been waiting for, did you use your hard earned dollar/euro? I say nay! Walmart will gladly refund your money(that's what your hoping for=) Well sorry they will not a stuck with another gold plated pos have fun!
Finally a fun MMO that has tons to do yet at the same time feels like a casual experience. It certainly isn't polished as other, more popular MMO's, but it's a great change from the other games I've played over the last couple years.
This is a game all been waiting for, did you use your hard earned dollar/euro? I say nay! Walmart will gladly refund your money(that's what your hoping for=) Well sorry they will not a stuck with another gold plated pos have fun!
Guess they don't teach English in your part of the country.
This is a game all been waiting for, did you use your hard earned dollar/euro? I say nay! Walmart will gladly refund your money(that's what your hoping for=) Well sorry they will not a stuck with another gold plated pos have fun!
Guess they don't teach English in your part of the country.
{Snip} I don't have to justify my gaming history or my opinion to some butthurt sandbox gamer crying on the forums. I read 100000 topics a day regarding sandbox games being the messiah, frankly my patience has wore out. You people state the same crap over and over as if you were actually bring new or interesting topics up.
It is a shame the Mod edited my reply because it would have stopped some of your attacks on everyone else too.
Your gaming experience is minimal, period.
If you don't understand more complex games it is because you have simply not been playing games, any of them, for very long. Sandboxes, as you rant on and on against, were never something that you played because you were a little boy at the time they came out. And little boys tend not to go backward to play games that were already released.
People that have played more complex games want MORE in todays games as well. Children that never saw those games and grew up with their gaming umbilical cord strung across the floor to a TV are terrified of any deep water in gaming.
I would LOVE to see a combination of the two (yes yes Darkfall blah blah blah... I still am on record saying that Darkfall is the Piltdown Man of games. Somewhere there are a bunch of pranksters laughing that they have conned a decade of people in to believing in this mythical creature called 'Darkfall' ... beta or not, I still believe it is a Hoax.)
"Fast" team oriented game play - ala City of Heroes... Plus PvP and RvR worlds - taken from perhaps War would be a start, But with the depth and complexity of an Asheron's Call spell system and skill systems would create a Great game. But the nintendo whiners soak their carpets every time anyone calls for more depth in a game than Diablo.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Tap-tap-tap gaming industry people, Are you listening?
It seems like older mature gamers=people who want sandbox
All immature gamers who are under 18=People who play non-sandbox
The gaming industry is not listening to sandbox whiners. They are seeing what WoW and Nintendo have done to bring in the casual market. The days of hardcore sandbox mmos are gone. This is a buisness and they want to make money. Right now the best way to make money is to take a basic wow formula and make it your own.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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I can sum up my feelings on Warhammer - Age of Disappointment with a cockney voiced police officer motioning people away from a twitching corpse... "Move 'long now laddies, der 'b nothin's ta see 'ere." (though to be honest I really didn't expect this game would be for me... and I was underwhelmed even with that level of expectation.) So what happened to RPGs? With 'Warbummer' following in the footsteps of such classic disappointments as Age of Conan O'Brian & Pablum Rasa what is going on here? To quell the fanbois (though they can't take any dissent from the god-worship of whichever game has yet to show up on their mother's credit card statement) Yes, I have played both Realm factions. Yes, I am trying most of the 'different' (and I use that word losely) character classes. Yes, I have leveled past 10th. Yes, I have both teamed and soloed... ad infinitum - ad nausium. But what I have been playing is a clunky 1990's game, reminiscent of some outdated Diablo-Nintendo hybrid mutant PUG... thing. What the hell happened to RPGs where the sandbox was deeper than what I brought in stuck on the bottom of my sandals?
Whatever happened to NOT trying to think of clever names to show off your distaste of a game? Warbummer? Age of Conan O'Brian? What the hell?
Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader. I read them all But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point. But we conflict over how that game will ever come about. Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better. Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008. Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here. Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago. Yawn. I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.
You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.
First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters. The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless. There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."
Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum. Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses? Because that's where the arguements begin.
You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill. In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out. Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers. I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there. That may change later on, I don't know
The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though. Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all. Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay? Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.
Then we get into the nothing new here.
There has never been public quests.
There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.
There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.
Then theres the evolutions
The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.
You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago. Heres where I smell total trash. You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"
But heres the thing, that's true for all video games. Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.
All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.
What are you expecting for gameplay? Virtual reality?
Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader. I read them all But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point. But we conflict over how that game will ever come about. Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better. Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008. Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here. Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago. Yawn. I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.
You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.
First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters. The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless. There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."
Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum. Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses? Because that's where the arguements begin.
You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill. In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out. Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers. I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there. That may change later on, I don't know
The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though. Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all. Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay? Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.
Then we get into the nothing new here.
There has never been public quests.
There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.
There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.
Then theres the evolutions
The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.
You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago. Heres where I smell total trash. You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"
But heres the thing, that's true for all video games. Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.
All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.
What are you expecting for gameplay? Virtual reality?
post of 2008. Nice work.
I second that. Bravo, this must be one of the most meaningfull posts ever made.
Cheers.
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It is a shame the Mod edited my reply because it would have stopped some of your attacks on everyone else too.
Your gaming experience is minimal, period.
If you don't understand more complex games it is because you have simply not been playing games, any of them, for very long. Sandboxes, as you rant on and on against, were never something that you played because you were a little boy at the time they came out. And little boys tend not to go backward to play games that were already released.
People that have played more complex games want MORE in todays games as well. Children that never saw those games and grew up with their gaming umbilical cord strung across the floor to a TV are terrified of any deep water in gaming.
I would LOVE to see a combination of the two (yes yes Darkfall blah blah blah... I still am on record saying that Darkfall is the Piltdown Man of games. Somewhere there are a bunch of pranksters laughing that they have conned a decade of people in to believing in this mythical creature called 'Darkfall' ... beta or not, I still believe it is a Hoax.)
"Fast" team oriented game play - ala City of Heroes... Plus PvP and RvR worlds - taken from perhaps War would be a start, But with the depth and complexity of an Asheron's Call spell system and skill systems would create a Great game. But the nintendo whiners soak their carpets every time anyone calls for more depth in a game than Diablo.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Tap-tap-tap gaming industry people, Are you listening?
Again another butthurt response. Listen. I never said anything negative about sandbox games. It's the players that annoy me.
In fact my "ideal" mmorpg IS a sandbox. Like ZOMG.
just to go back into a earlier post of mine
"Your guild raids another town, your guild and it's members are pillagers and your reputation will remain so forever. You can't go grind some mobs to undo it. You can't change guilds and escape your reputation.
Have situations where if you kill someone in sight of a guard, you become wanted and hated in the city forever. If someone escapes your ganking attempt and reports you to a guard, the same situation occurs, heck perhaps even if your seen by ANY other players they can report you as well(perhaps you get a list and icons appear over witness' heads,) If you can't clean up the situation then your going
Have options to sneak into towns, and avoid guards.
Prisons.
War between countries where perhaps a country could be perminantly destroyed off the server.
Guilds building up a city that grows in size and members, and reputation and eventually becomes a force to reckon with for the other real nations, forming alliances that all share a part in the town. Heck even becoming the capital city in perhaps a entire country. Not just "XXXXXXXX's guild city.
This is the pvp i want.
I don't want random ganking while someones mining just because you get your kicks from it. Killing him for his resources, and then having to kill witness'. Miner's for example find a cave(perhaps they spawn randomly under the ground when excavagating. then a guild sends in a team to mine it quickly, while guards are posted in the cave and around the cave."
I'm all up for sandbox's as long as they are truely involved and deep systems to encourage meaningful pvp, discouraging random ganking, and bring in guild vs guild conflicts, and major systems in the game that basically allow the playerbase to affect a server enough that each server of the game vary drastically with how they are after a couple years.
But the thing is, I don't get butthurt over it. I don't troll every game coming out for not being what I really want.
You see, beyond just this, I actually like having fun in games. And I'll play a game that's fun. I won't ask a game to be something it's not, and i won't bash it for being something its not.
I have the same issue with open sandbox fans, eve fans, and darkfall fans. They all hold the holier than thou, my game choices are better, and I'm a more mature player for liking these types of games.
I generally don't go into discussions anymore, since even if I did write out a essay about the topic, you wouldn't even read it. You wouldn't take it to heart. You would either just skip over it, or pretend you didn't read it, and continue on with your posts.
What is ZOMG, looked on the games list could not find it?
It is a shame the Mod edited my reply because it would have stopped some of your attacks on everyone else too.
Your gaming experience is minimal, period.
If you don't understand more complex games it is because you have simply not been playing games, any of them, for very long. Sandboxes, as you rant on and on against, were never something that you played because you were a little boy at the time they came out. And little boys tend not to go backward to play games that were already released.
People that have played more complex games want MORE in todays games as well. Children that never saw those games and grew up with their gaming umbilical cord strung across the floor to a TV are terrified of any deep water in gaming.
I would LOVE to see a combination of the two (yes yes Darkfall blah blah blah... I still am on record saying that Darkfall is the Piltdown Man of games. Somewhere there are a bunch of pranksters laughing that they have conned a decade of people in to believing in this mythical creature called 'Darkfall' ... beta or not, I still believe it is a Hoax.)
"Fast" team oriented game play - ala City of Heroes... Plus PvP and RvR worlds - taken from perhaps War would be a start, But with the depth and complexity of an Asheron's Call spell system and skill systems would create a Great game. But the nintendo whiners soak their carpets every time anyone calls for more depth in a game than Diablo.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Tap-tap-tap gaming industry people, Are you listening?
Again another butthurt response. Listen. I never said anything negative about sandbox games. It's the players that annoy me.
In fact my "ideal" mmorpg IS a sandbox. Like ZOMG.
just to go back into a earlier post of mine
"Your guild raids another town, your guild and it's members are pillagers and your reputation will remain so forever. You can't go grind some mobs to undo it. You can't change guilds and escape your reputation.
Have situations where if you kill someone in sight of a guard, you become wanted and hated in the city forever. If someone escapes your ganking attempt and reports you to a guard, the same situation occurs, heck perhaps even if your seen by ANY other players they can report you as well(perhaps you get a list and icons appear over witness' heads,) If you can't clean up the situation then your going
Have options to sneak into towns, and avoid guards.
Prisons.
War between countries where perhaps a country could be perminantly destroyed off the server.
Guilds building up a city that grows in size and members, and reputation and eventually becomes a force to reckon with for the other real nations, forming alliances that all share a part in the town. Heck even becoming the capital city in perhaps a entire country. Not just "XXXXXXXX's guild city.
This is the pvp i want.
I don't want random ganking while someones mining just because you get your kicks from it. Killing him for his resources, and then having to kill witness'. Miner's for example find a cave(perhaps they spawn randomly under the ground when excavagating. then a guild sends in a team to mine it quickly, while guards are posted in the cave and around the cave."
I'm all up for sandbox's as long as they are truely involved and deep systems to encourage meaningful pvp, discouraging random ganking, and bring in guild vs guild conflicts, and major systems in the game that basically allow the playerbase to affect a server enough that each server of the game vary drastically with how they are after a couple years.
But the thing is, I don't get butthurt over it. I don't troll every game coming out for not being what I really want.
You see, beyond just this, I actually like having fun in games. And I'll play a game that's fun. I won't ask a game to be something it's not, and i won't bash it for being something its not.
I have the same issue with open sandbox fans, eve fans, and darkfall fans. They all hold the holier than thou, my game choices are better, and I'm a more mature player for liking these types of games.
I generally don't go into discussions anymore, since even if I did write out a essay about the topic, you wouldn't even read it. You wouldn't take it to heart. You would either just skip over it, or pretend you didn't read it, and continue on with your posts.
Dude, you rock. Seriously. Open mindedness, ftw! I am the same way. Sure, I have a particular image in my mind of what the perfect MMO or computer game should be. But, just because some developer couldn't read my mind, doesn't mean I'm going to hate on every new game that comes out. If the game can stand on it's own for what it is...and is fun, I'll play it. Nuff said.
Wow, more stupid complaints. We have some delusional people on these boards. The tiers make the game feel more like an MMORPG to me rather than running around a gigantic world unable to find meeting spots to PvP in.
Since JonnyBigBoss can't read more than one sentence at a time ... i'll repeat my last sentence:
Hey Mythic !!! People actually want to be IN a world they adventure (and live) in, they already have ENOUGH on line combat games (with FAR more better graphics btw) and these are FREE !
Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader. I read them all
But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point.
But we conflict over how that game will ever come about. Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better.
Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008.
Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here. Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago.
Yawn. I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.
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I hate to break it to you pal.... but he's kind of entitled to his opinion whether he was in Beta or not.
You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.
First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters. The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless. There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."
Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum. Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses? Because that's where the arguements begin.
You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill. In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out. Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers. I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there. That may change later on, I don't know
The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though. Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all. Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay? Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.
Then we get into the nothing new here.
There has never been public quests.
There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.
There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.
Then theres the evolutions
The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.
You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago. Heres where I smell total trash. You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"
But heres the thing, that's true for all video games. Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.
All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.
What are you expecting for gameplay? Virtual reality?
Anyone wonder why there so many defenders of game that is active and great that they waste there time posting? It must be shear struggle too pull yourself away from the game(you would die for?) to come hear? Maybe they have no-one too play with? I heard once that ah the computer I am on cannot support the graphics for warhammer! The graphics?LOL ,What was that a 486? Anyway I never Thur on my cape too defend any game I liked to come to the forums and post. Anywhoo waiting for you darkfall, and if it is not any good o'well.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Hate to point this out Bladin, but if trolls didn't have the food it took to feed them (the counter arguments)..they'd grow bored and go back under their bridge and grumble to themselves.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Hate to point this out Bladin, but if trolls didn't have the food it took to feed them (the counter arguments)..they'd grow bored and go back under their bridge and grumble to themselves.
yeah... it's true. And i really should avoid doing it. But bleh i'm bored, and trying to find a server to play on isn't exactly exciting.
After just rolling a char randomly on wow and later regretting it when everyone i know was so spread out, I want to be sure before i make a final choice.
I'm mainly posting because my guild rerolled 3 times, and I'm unsure which server and which side i'm going to continue on.
But beyond that... god forbid people actually LIKE posting on forums of the game they LIKE.
Are these forums for haters and trolls only? We people who like it, ahve to just go hide in the servers while the haters just roll around the forum in their collective filth?
Hate to point this out Bladin, but if trolls didn't have the food it took to feed them (the counter arguments)..they'd grow bored and go back under their bridge and grumble to themselves.
yeah... it's true. And i really should avoid doing it. But bleh i'm bored, and trying to find a server to play on isn't exactly exciting.
After just rolling a char randomly on wow and later regretting it when everyone i know was so spread out, I want to be sure before i make a final choice.
I agree as well. My posts are sually made more out of boredom than anything i really want to say. Since there's little point to it..though some have been in a good discussion, albeit rare and far between.
I like to think that trying to reasonably discuss anything with trolls is like being in a round room looking for a corner...can't help the frustration and annoyance sinking in.
Did you buy this game, expecting a sandbox, when this game had RvR written all over it?
yeah it's totally unimpressive.
I dunno if Ive been palying too many good games lately but WAR just doesn't cut it for me in terms of graphics, gameplay or community..I mean, its ok, but not worth the sub
Hell yeah, I want that too!!!
me too problem and i quote from ati / amd . here they said graphics today 20x time more powerful them 5 years ago but most company,s are too lazy too make higher end mmo . want fast cheap way making money is up too the player demand better grahics. NVIDIA PhysX System on board now with new video cards min 512 momory up 2 gigs od ddr 3 ram . todays graphics has alot .
and with coming 8 cpu chips out his nov. cpu be min 36 gb raw power.
not that new cpu can,t handle it . up too company make game players want.
Your awesome
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This is a game all been waiting for, did you use your hard earned dollar/euro? I say nay! Walmart will gladly refund your money(that's what your hoping for=) Well sorry they will not a stuck with another gold plated pos have fun!
Finally a fun MMO that has tons to do yet at the same time feels like a casual experience. It certainly isn't polished as other, more popular MMO's, but it's a great change from the other games I've played over the last couple years.
Guess they don't teach English in your part of the country.
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Guess they don't teach English in your part of the country.
lol, thats rude
It is a shame the Mod edited my reply because it would have stopped some of your attacks on everyone else too.
Your gaming experience is minimal, period.
If you don't understand more complex games it is because you have simply not been playing games, any of them, for very long. Sandboxes, as you rant on and on against, were never something that you played because you were a little boy at the time they came out. And little boys tend not to go backward to play games that were already released.
People that have played more complex games want MORE in todays games as well. Children that never saw those games and grew up with their gaming umbilical cord strung across the floor to a TV are terrified of any deep water in gaming.
I would LOVE to see a combination of the two (yes yes Darkfall blah blah blah... I still am on record saying that Darkfall is the Piltdown Man of games. Somewhere there are a bunch of pranksters laughing that they have conned a decade of people in to believing in this mythical creature called 'Darkfall' ... beta or not, I still believe it is a Hoax.)
"Fast" team oriented game play - ala City of Heroes... Plus PvP and RvR worlds - taken from perhaps War would be a start, But with the depth and complexity of an Asheron's Call spell system and skill systems would create a Great game. But the nintendo whiners soak their carpets every time anyone calls for more depth in a game than Diablo.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Tap-tap-tap gaming industry people, Are you listening?
It seems like older mature gamers=people who want sandbox
All immature gamers who are under 18=People who play non-sandbox
The gaming industry is not listening to sandbox whiners. They are seeing what WoW and Nintendo have done to bring in the casual market. The days of hardcore sandbox mmos are gone. This is a buisness and they want to make money. Right now the best way to make money is to take a basic wow formula and make it your own.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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Whatever happened to NOT trying to think of clever names to show off your distaste of a game? Warbummer? Age of Conan O'Brian? What the hell?
You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.
First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters. The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless. There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."
Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum. Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses? Because that's where the arguements begin.
You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill. In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out. Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers. I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there. That may change later on, I don't know
The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though. Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all. Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay? Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.
Then we get into the nothing new here.
There has never been public quests.
There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.
There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.
Then theres the evolutions
The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.
You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago. Heres where I smell total trash. You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"
But heres the thing, that's true for all video games. Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.
All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.
What are you expecting for gameplay? Virtual reality?
post of 2008. Nice work.
You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.
First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters. The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless. There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."
Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum. Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses? Because that's where the arguements begin.
You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill. In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out. Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers. I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there. That may change later on, I don't know
The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though. Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all. Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay? Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.
Then we get into the nothing new here.
There has never been public quests.
There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.
There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.
Then theres the evolutions
The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.
You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago. Heres where I smell total trash. You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"
But heres the thing, that's true for all video games. Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.
All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.
What are you expecting for gameplay? Virtual reality?
post of 2008. Nice work.
I second that. Bravo, this must be one of the most meaningfull posts ever made.
Cheers.
The speed of the mole and the power of steel is my weapon