The reason for the Darkfall hate is threefold, and none of these reasons apply to Masthead.
1. Darkfall has been publically developed for nigh on 8 years
2. Darkfall has decided to follow an extremely unorthadox style of communication with it's potential fans. Basically no communication at all. The mouth-piece of the company is a man named Tasos who is pretty much universally despised because he makes grand, sweeping predictions about the game, and reacts with smuggness and arrogance when those like MMORPG suggest their is anger from the player base.
3. Darkfall may launch on February 25th and they still have not released system specs, or lifted the NDA for an open beta.
On the other hand Mastead has only publically been developing this game for about a year; it has defined it's different types of beta-testing, and has told us what step they're on; and lastly they have system specs out for the game.
I also think that the forum postesr for Eathrise are a lot more calm and mature in general. Most of them don't really care what game you play. On the Darkfall forums, however, there is tremendous animosity, and hatred for those who enjoy different games. Carebears, Trolls, Haters, Fanbois, etc... are terms that are thrown around like so many different catch phrases.
that's because Earthrise devs havent lied, strung along, or deceived their playerbase. They haven't made 8 years of promises which they never delivered, and they actually communicate with their playerbase.
I am curious about these two games. Both are promising similar open world, PvP gameplay. Both small houses and not based in any of the big countries. Yet I see literally no hate threads on Earthrise. Anyone have a clue why this is? Not saying there should be but just thinking DF is taking a pretty big chunk of grief right now.
not dissimilar? The earthrise Devs have been on numerous open chats with mmorpg and to my knowledge hasn't lied to anyone about the game yet. Tasos, on the otherhand, lives in a hole and every once in a while he'll post something on their forums that turns out to be a complete fabrication. Very dissimilar tbh. And If Earthrise launches in 2009 and turns out to be as good as the features set, it will make DF look like an Atari 2600 port.
Nobody knows about Earthrise, no offense intended. I hope it's successful and becomes the game everyone on here, including myself wants. It would have a lot more fans, and a lot more trolls if people knew bout it. There's only 5 active threads from today now, and one is about Darkfall.
I consider myself a mature gamer and I hate the DF forums for the most part. Just the same it's the only game that might just offer what I want right now. I can deal with the rude people by not going to the forums. The important part to me is that I get the game I want, or close to what I want.
I'd like the developer to be someone I liked, but the truth is that I'd just as soon never know who developed a game. I'd totally agree that Tasos has brought on some of the hate himself. I can understand his frustration a little bit. He's been answering the question, "Don't you think that full loot is a little extreme in today's market?" fo 8 years, but that doesn't excuse his rudeness.
The only excuse I have for the community is that some feel that people come into the game and want their own vision, which is easier, non-full loot and not FFA PvP. They think that if they don't show the dev's that there is a community that wants full loot and FFA without compromise then the devs will 'easy' things up. I think maybe I'm giving too much credit to the community saying that though. Most just seem to want to be as rude as they can because the forums allow it.
Anyway, back to my first point, I think Earthrise is flying under the radar now. We'll see how it does after Darkfall has launched and is a success or a failure.
Anyway, back to my first point, I think Earthrise is flying under the radar now. We'll see how it does after Darkfall has launched and is a success or a failure.
This. As we get further into the year and post DF launch, more people will turn their attention to Earthrise and Mortal Online, and I suspect we'll see a big uptic in activity, both good and bad.
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Well as long as the dev's keep fans and potential players in the loop they should really not get flamed or hated on. Tasos brought it on him self by general exlusion of pretty much everyone. If you do not give people info they always make thier own. A key example is just the other day when the patch notes leaked for a short period most conversations went from bitching to discussion at some level on what is suppose to have been turned on. then reverted again when nothing new was out the next day. They need to get a handle on PR and start turning things in the favor instead of against them selves all the time.
Exactly. I don't get why Tasos struggles so hard to keep the secrecy behind Darkfall. The forums are rampant with retards, fools and silly trolls making up a thousand conspiration theories to explain everything. I just can't figure out what reasonable explanation would justify such disrespect towards his game's future community. Yes, Darkfall's forums suck, it's full of trolls and jerks who want to make fun of everything, also delusional people who believe Darkfall will be exactly as they dream of and also those who believe that there is some uber master intelligent scheme behind all the secrecy regarding the beta.
I've been to Mortal Online's forums, and it is a whole different place. The community is way more mature, though also much smaller. Well, I just hope that it won't become all chaotic and lost as Darkfall's when Mortal Online is close to launch, it would suck to behold that. I appreciate this game just as everyone said, communication between the developers and the community is extremely important. Tasos doesn't really give a damn to Darkfall's community, he probably believes his team is composed of the most intelligent people in the world and that anyone's opinion about what they think is obsolete.
1. Darkfall may have bitten off more than it can chew by promising things it may not be able to deliver.
2. Little contact with the MMO community and little that does goes out may have been overspeculated and or overhyped by the community. Tasos unforunately has not or even tried to get control of this. Tasos has also on a few occasions disrespected the MMo community in general.
3. Game has taken too long to make.
4. Delay after delay after delay.....
5. possible suspious behavior with NDA still in effect and "targeted testors" whom we have idea who they are.
Again I'll reinterate that I hope Darkfall does well. I'll be playing Earthrise way over Darkfall as DF to me is just another in an already flooded fantasy MMO market.
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Originally posted by Krayzjoel 1. Darkfall may have bitten off more than it can chew by promising things it may not be able to deliver. 2. Little contact with the MMO community and little that does goes out may have been overspeculated and or overhyped by the community. Tasos unforunately has not or even tried to get control of this. Tasos has also on a few occasions disrespected the MMo community in general. 3. Game has taken too long to make. 4. Delay after delay after delay..... 5. possible suspious behavior with NDA still in effect and "targeted testors" whom we have idea who they are. Again I'll reinterate that I hope Darkfall does well. I'll be playing Earthrise way over Darkfall as DF to me is just another in an already flooded fantasy MMO market.
Well earthrise have also promised alot, and we have no proff yet that they are able to deliver on on that.. Earthrise could become a DnL.. I Sure hope not because earthrise is the mmo game im looking forward to the most, but it would...
Well earthrise have also promised alot, and we have no proff yet that they are able to deliver on on that.. Earthrise could become a DnL.. I Sure hope not because earthrise is the mmo game im looking forward to the most, but it would...
I haven't seen any crazy promises. Maybe a few that would be very difficult to actually pull off, but nothing outragous.
I don't think the Earthrise community is ever going to be like the Darkfall community when you have people like Khatie running the show. She won't let it dive to madness and she'll make sure there are a team of mods who are going to look after the best interests of the community and not themselves.
So yeah, even when the game becomes more pronounced, I don't think we'll see the DF phenomenon taking hold.
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The reason for the Darkfall hate is threefold, and none of these reasons apply to Masthead.
1. Darkfall has been publically developed for nigh on 8 years
2. Darkfall has decided to follow an extremely unorthadox style of communication with it's potential fans. Basically no communication at all. The mouth-piece of the company is a man named Tasos who is pretty much universally despised because he makes grand, sweeping predictions about the game, and reacts with smuggness and arrogance when those like MMORPG suggest their is anger from the player base.
3. Darkfall may launch on February 25th and they still have not released system specs, or lifted the NDA for an open beta.
On the other hand Mastead has only publically been developing this game for about a year; it has defined it's different types of beta-testing, and has told us what step they're on; and lastly they have system specs out for the game.
I also think that the forum postesr for Eathrise are a lot more calm and mature in general. Most of them don't really care what game you play. On the Darkfall forums, however, there is tremendous animosity, and hatred for those who enjoy different games. Carebears, Trolls, Haters, Fanbois, etc... are terms that are thrown around like so many different catch phrases.
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that's because Earthrise devs havent lied, strung along, or deceived their playerbase. They haven't made 8 years of promises which they never delivered, and they actually communicate with their playerbase.
"is not disimilar"........
That's an easy one. Tasos.
not dissimilar? The earthrise Devs have been on numerous open chats with mmorpg and to my knowledge hasn't lied to anyone about the game yet. Tasos, on the otherhand, lives in a hole and every once in a while he'll post something on their forums that turns out to be a complete fabrication. Very dissimilar tbh. And If Earthrise launches in 2009 and turns out to be as good as the features set, it will make DF look like an Atari 2600 port.
Nobody knows about Earthrise, no offense intended. I hope it's successful and becomes the game everyone on here, including myself wants. It would have a lot more fans, and a lot more trolls if people knew bout it. There's only 5 active threads from today now, and one is about Darkfall.
I consider myself a mature gamer and I hate the DF forums for the most part. Just the same it's the only game that might just offer what I want right now. I can deal with the rude people by not going to the forums. The important part to me is that I get the game I want, or close to what I want.
I'd like the developer to be someone I liked, but the truth is that I'd just as soon never know who developed a game. I'd totally agree that Tasos has brought on some of the hate himself. I can understand his frustration a little bit. He's been answering the question, "Don't you think that full loot is a little extreme in today's market?" fo 8 years, but that doesn't excuse his rudeness.
The only excuse I have for the community is that some feel that people come into the game and want their own vision, which is easier, non-full loot and not FFA PvP. They think that if they don't show the dev's that there is a community that wants full loot and FFA without compromise then the devs will 'easy' things up. I think maybe I'm giving too much credit to the community saying that though. Most just seem to want to be as rude as they can because the forums allow it.
Anyway, back to my first point, I think Earthrise is flying under the radar now. We'll see how it does after Darkfall has launched and is a success or a failure.
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This. As we get further into the year and post DF launch, more people will turn their attention to Earthrise and Mortal Online, and I suspect we'll see a big uptic in activity, both good and bad.
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SO in the end basically why Earthrise is not hated is because
Devs have been open with what they are doing and leaves no room for conspiracy theories nor the history of development
different genre then DF and a different kind of player intereste din the game
no Tasos like figure to hate on
Well as long as the dev's keep fans and potential players in the loop they should really not get flamed or hated on. Tasos brought it on him self by general exlusion of pretty much everyone. If you do not give people info they always make thier own. A key example is just the other day when the patch notes leaked for a short period most conversations went from bitching to discussion at some level on what is suppose to have been turned on. then reverted again when nothing new was out the next day. They need to get a handle on PR and start turning things in the favor instead of against them selves all the time.
Exactly. I don't get why Tasos struggles so hard to keep the secrecy behind Darkfall. The forums are rampant with retards, fools and silly trolls making up a thousand conspiration theories to explain everything. I just can't figure out what reasonable explanation would justify such disrespect towards his game's future community. Yes, Darkfall's forums suck, it's full of trolls and jerks who want to make fun of everything, also delusional people who believe Darkfall will be exactly as they dream of and also those who believe that there is some uber master intelligent scheme behind all the secrecy regarding the beta.
I've been to Mortal Online's forums, and it is a whole different place. The community is way more mature, though also much smaller. Well, I just hope that it won't become all chaotic and lost as Darkfall's when Mortal Online is close to launch, it would suck to behold that. I appreciate this game just as everyone said, communication between the developers and the community is extremely important. Tasos doesn't really give a damn to Darkfall's community, he probably believes his team is composed of the most intelligent people in the world and that anyone's opinion about what they think is obsolete.
1. Darkfall may have bitten off more than it can chew by promising things it may not be able to deliver.
2. Little contact with the MMO community and little that does goes out may have been overspeculated and or overhyped by the community. Tasos unforunately has not or even tried to get control of this. Tasos has also on a few occasions disrespected the MMo community in general.
3. Game has taken too long to make.
4. Delay after delay after delay.....
5. possible suspious behavior with NDA still in effect and "targeted testors" whom we have idea who they are.
Again I'll reinterate that I hope Darkfall does well. I'll be playing Earthrise way over Darkfall as DF to me is just another in an already flooded fantasy MMO market.
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Well earthrise have also promised alot, and we have no proff yet that they are able to deliver on on that.. Earthrise could become a DnL.. I Sure hope not because earthrise is the mmo game im looking forward to the most, but it would...
Maybe its because the fanboys of Earthrise dont spam the forums 24/7 with Earthrise crap about shit they dont know.
I haven't seen any crazy promises. Maybe a few that would be very difficult to actually pull off, but nothing outragous.
I don't think the Earthrise community is ever going to be like the Darkfall community when you have people like Khatie running the show. She won't let it dive to madness and she'll make sure there are a team of mods who are going to look after the best interests of the community and not themselves.
So yeah, even when the game becomes more pronounced, I don't think we'll see the DF phenomenon taking hold.
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