4. The game is more finished than vanguard and compared to WAR at least it knows what its audiance wants. End game stuff, There is a badass dragon that keeps killing peopel no one can kill it, CLAN WARFARE AND CITY SEIGE. I figured I should caps it since somehow you missed it.
There's more content in a Vanguard newbie area and it's close surroundings than in whole Darkfall.
I'm sorry about how you gauge content, just because the devs in darkfall don't put little quests everywhere so you can run around and kill x or talk to y dosn't mean there is less to do.
Did you even see the recent DF beta review (done by a fanboi) with a screenshot of a quest to kill 7 rats or something?
LOL selfpwn FTL
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The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it.
I never doubted the game was real. But I also believe the game looks like utter crap. Time will be the judge, but I'd wager money on it that 6 months after "launch" Darkfall will be a niche game...at best.
Hey, it was never supposed to be more than niche. Some of the more insane fanboys said it would be a WoW killer, but no sensible person ever thought that.
Hell, even the devs are shocked at the number of people interested.
The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it.
I never doubted the game was real. But I also believe the game looks like utter crap. Time will be the judge, but I'd wager money on it that 6 months after "launch" Darkfall will be a niche game...at best.
Hey, it was never supposed to be more than niche. Some of the more insane fanboys said it would be a WoW killer, but no sensible person ever thought that.
Hell, even the devs are shocked at the number of people interested.
Considering what they promised they shouldn't be... but what they SHOULD is be afraid of the backlash from lack of delivery...
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4. The game is more finished than vanguard and compared to WAR at least it knows what its audiance wants. End game stuff, There is a badass dragon that keeps killing peopel no one can kill it, CLAN WARFARE AND CITY SEIGE. I figured I should caps it since somehow you missed it.
There's more content in a Vanguard newbie area and it's close surroundings than in whole Darkfall.
I'm sorry about how you gauge content, just because the devs in darkfall don't put little quests everywhere so you can run around and kill x or talk to y dosn't mean there is less to do.
Compare Vanguard's crafting to Darkfalls... and cry.
I'm not a big fan of Vanguard, because it's another level/class based EQ/WoW clone, but there are many things they did WAY better than Darkfall. And I don't talk about "little quests everywhere", but basic game mechanics. Resource gathering in Vanguard doesn't consist in macroing the same resource node for hours.
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"Now here we are, present day. What do we have? We have so many people trying to buy the game that its CRASHING THE WEB SERVER. Aventurine has announced they're getting 20x the number of connections per second than they estimated and they're trying to deal with it now but upping their systems AGAIN."
Wait wait wait...
You are touting that as POSITIVE thing?
These are the same people that will be trying to manage thoustands of persistant connections simultaniously... on a client that has NEVER been stress tested.
Oh sure, release might be soon, but so with the epic implosion of the servers be.
A client that has never been tested? What do you think beta was? There were many many thousands of players in beta.
That was the magical AI that cures cancer.
And the removal of about 50% of the advertised features. Hows that housing or boat combat?
lol, both are in game. Shows how much the trolls know? If you want to bash a game, at least get your facts straight.
Boats are a heavy heavy investment, I think about 4 clans managed to start churning out boats in beta. I hadn't seen one until 2 days ago when a landing party of red dwarves and maharim landed on the shore of a mob camp and absolutely destroyed me. It was a magical moment.
Housing, is in clan cities, as the devs said it would be.
It was meant to be player owned housing though originally so let the Trolls have that one. It is missing one feature, that isn't bad. The trolls get a WIN!............. lol.
A Troll is someone you do not agree with.
No a fanboy is someone you don't agree with.
I don't agree.
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I highly highly doubt anyone beilived it was 100% vaporware. The term Vaporware just made the fanbois eyes pop out of their heads screaming bloody murder. I would be willing to bet that it was used just to get them pissed off, and it worked everytime, and I mean everytime. For example just go look at the Aion board your DF fanboi leonidus is over there trolling Aion calling it "US vaporware. " The responses he is getting is vastly different than what was said in these boards when a troll brought up vaporware. Dont believe me go look. Aion fanboys blow it off and laugh at him while DF fanbois about had a massive stroke when vaporware was tossed out. Its very interesting to see how 2 very differnt style game community boards handel the same word vaporware. The best part of it is that the more "mature" DF fans handeled it like little kiddies while the kiddie Aion fans are handeling it like adults. Which makes you wonder whos drawing the immature community and whos not. But we already knew the answer to this.
I know, lol come here trolling trying to get a response and you consider yourself mature because you say it worked? lol. Irony at it's best.
I never once called DF vaporware so do not lump me in that category. I was a major AV skeptic.
I was stating my opinion (which 99% of forums are opinions) on what I have seen on these boards and Aions boards in relationonship with the word vaporware. I didnt make any refrence to me in my post but yet you twist it to make it sound like i did. Just another example of the DF fanatic at its best. "Where did I say I am more mature bucause I it worked" I didnt, how mature is it twisting my words and adding words to my post to try to insult me?
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2. Stop hiding behind this. They've had that many requests for.. well over 6 months dude. 6 fucking. How can you say they weren't "ready" for that? Such BS..
3. Again, saw the video of them fighting and running around.. no mobs anywhere.. Video card guy said he ran 10-15 minutes without finding a mob.. for a game that was "as ready as most games even a month after release" this area is still sorely lacking.
4. Again.. Get a clue.. There needs to be something!!! to do when you've maxed your skills other than kill other players.. What is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a huge chunk of minigames like CS, there has to be something to do, when there's nothing to do.
5. You swing a sword 24 times and you hit for 2. but on that 25th time, you hit for 10. then, on that 50th time, you hit for 50. Because.. that makes more sense than not allocating XP?? -- Sure..
6. Don't give me "hazy" issue.. That's (LANGAUGE) BS.. it's CHEATING.. What's so f(LANGAUGE) hard to understand about that?? It's exploiting the system. Here's the definition of Exploit so you can get by the "it's hazy" comment. -- software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
And Blind fanboys.. They see what?? Here's a quarter.. hop the clue boss.. and delete this thread.
Your not responding to mine but owell.
1. I played it its ready
2. They never tried to be "ready" it has been their plan to release one server that can hold up to 10k players at a time for over two years and they are sticking to it so stfu.
3. you saw a video, I played it.
4.He gave you a list of shit to do.
5. he just liked skill based more dosn't matter if it makes more sense or not.
6. yup lots of macros. At least they drop good loot.
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4. The game is more finished than vanguard and compared to WAR at least it knows what its audiance wants. End game stuff, There is a badass dragon that keeps killing peopel no one can kill it, CLAN WARFARE AND CITY SEIGE. I figured I should caps it since somehow you missed it.
There's more content in a Vanguard newbie area and it's close surroundings than in whole Darkfall.
I'm sorry about how you gauge content, just because the devs in darkfall don't put little quests everywhere so you can run around and kill x or talk to y dosn't mean there is less to do.
Compare Vanguard's crafting to Darkfalls... and cry.
I'm not a big fan of Vanguard, because it's another level/class based EQ/WoW clone, but there are many things they did WAY better than Darkfall. And I don't talk about "little quests everywhere", but basic game mechanics. Resource gathering in Vanguard doesn't consist in macroing the same resource node for hours.
alright yeah darkfall crafing and shit is boring to you w/e I still find it fun, I was just copying what random mage said about Vanguard. I never played vangaurd and I didn't care about it since it was just EQ clone number xx. go argue with random mage.
O yeah and clearly because you changed from "Content" to "crafting" I just randomly guessed what the start of Vanguard was like and It sees I was right... deep game it looks like it might just be as predicable as every other game out there.
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How many aliases over the years....must be over 200 now from the numerous bannings you received
The game is feature complete
Choke on it
Please explain to me how ALL (positive and negative) beta-reviews bring you to the conclusion that Darkfall has all of THIS
I fail to see how you can call Darkfall feature complete in any way.
I'll pick a few glaringly obvious things:
1) Player Housing
2) Food affecting your regeneration (as in, you need to eat regularily to be at your best)
3) NPC Hirelings
4) Prestige Classes
And please don't tell me all this BS about it being announced for ages that these things are not in. That may be true for some and even then, it is still advertised on their website. Some people would call it false advertising. Me, I call it laziness, but I aslo call the game feature-INCOMPLETE.
Less glaringly obvious things:
"I don?t like PvP, why should I even consider trying out Darkfall?
If you give it a chance, you?ll discover that Darkfall is an extremely well rounded game. For example, there?s as much effort going into the quest engine and the crafting process, as there is going into the combat design. Darkfall features the ultimate player based economy, more useful trade skills than any other released MMORPG to date, advanced NPC and monster AI, and a quest engine constantly creating new and challenging content. Furthermore, the game world is huge; you could move to a remote area with your friends and try to create a safe haven for other like-minded players. "
Funny, aren't the fanbois screaming now that questing and PVE are only for stupid WOW carebears and was never meant to be a big part of DF. Obviously the Dev's thought differently at some point.
/end rant
Now...why don't people treat DF as what it is. A project by a small indie company that did its best and couldn't pull everything off they planned. The core game seems to be there and it will be a fun game for those who enjoy the FFA PvP Full Loot environment and have no use for much else? Because from all the Beta Reports, that is what I am getting.
But that's not what was promised. Much...much...MUCH more was promised, but not delivered. Period.
I highly highly doubt anyone beilived it was 100% vaporware. The term Vaporware just made the fanbois eyes pop out of their heads screaming bloody murder. I would be willing to bet that it was used just to get them pissed off, and it worked everytime, and I mean everytime. For example just go look at the Aion board your DF fanboi leonidus is over there trolling Aion calling it "US vaporware. " The responses he is getting is vastly different than what was said in these boards when a troll brought up vaporware. Dont believe me go look. Aion fanboys blow it off and laugh at him while DF fanbois about had a massive stroke when vaporware was tossed out. Its very interesting to see how 2 very differnt style game community boards handel the same word vaporware. The best part of it is that the more "mature" DF fans handeled it like little kiddies while the kiddie Aion fans are handeling it like adults. Which makes you wonder whos drawing the immature community and whos not. But we already knew the answer to this.
I know, lol come here trolling trying to get a response and you consider yourself mature because you say it worked? lol. Irony at it's best.
I never once called DF vaporware so do not lump me in that category. I was a major AV skeptic.
I was stating my opinion (which 99% of forums are opinions) on what I have seen on these boards and Aions boards in relationonship with the word vaporware. I didnt make any refrence to me in my post but yet you twist it to make it sound like i did. Just another example of the DF fanatic at its best. "Where did I say I am more mature bucause I it worked" I didnt, how mature is it twisting my words and adding words to my post to try to insult me?
There is a difference between one idiot coming and claiming a game is vaporware than an army of trolls marching though spouting it.
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va·por·ware Listen to the pronunciation of vaporware
Pronunciation:
?v?-p?r-?wer
Function:
noun
Date:
1984 : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
This is the problem with the fanboys and haters... They refuse to acknowledge the definition of what vaporware is. One uses it as a weapon of lies and falsehoods and the other refuses to admit that their game falls under the true definition.
"has not and may never become available"
It's coming out on the 25th...
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Until Downfall is released it's vapourware, if it gets released this year it'll be Dark and Light version 1.05. I could go on to quote rabid fanbois that said "DF will release on the 22nd because Tasos said so" **cough** downtoearth **cough** and ridicule them. However with a steaming pile like DF I hardly believe it would be a massive victory over the doubters if it got released.
A bit like me ordering a chocolate sundae, being told it'll never arrive. Then when it arrives it's actually a runny turd with sprinkles on and I laugh at the guy that doubted it'd ever arrive!
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va·por·ware Listen to the pronunciation of vaporware
Pronunciation:
?v?-p?r-?wer
Function:
noun
Date:
1984 : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
This is the problem with the fanboys and haters... They refuse to acknowledge the definition of what vaporware is. One uses it as a weapon of lies and falsehoods and the other refuses to admit that their game falls under the true definition.
"has not and may never become available"
It's coming out on the 25th...
Yep, so it HAS NOT come out, and noting over the last 5 years will make many people who were looking forward to this in 03 change their minds till servers are up and people are logged in...
Till it crashes anyway...
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va·por·ware Listen to the pronunciation of vaporware
Pronunciation:
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Function:
noun
Date:
1984 : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
This is the problem with the fanboys and haters... They refuse to acknowledge the definition of what vaporware is. One uses it as a weapon of lies and falsehoods and the other refuses to admit that their game falls under the true definition.
It isn't meant in that deffinition though. I mean if I call someone a Hoe, do you really thing I am calling them a gardening tool?
It's the intent we were responding to lol, not the word.
2. Stop hiding behind this. They've had that many requests for.. well over 6 months dude. 6 fucking. How can you say they weren't "ready" for that? Such BS..
3. Again, saw the video of them fighting and running around.. no mobs anywhere.. Video card guy said he ran 10-15 minutes without finding a mob.. for a game that was "as ready as most games even a month after release" this area is still sorely lacking.
4. Again.. Get a clue.. There needs to be something!!! to do when you've maxed your skills other than kill other players.. What is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a huge chunk of minigames like CS, there has to be something to do, when there's nothing to do.
5. You swing a sword 24 times and you hit for 2. but on that 25th time, you hit for 10. then, on that 50th time, you hit for 50. Because.. that makes more sense than not allocating XP?? -- Sure..
6. Don't give me "hazy" issue.. That's (LANGAUGE) BS.. it's CHEATING.. What's so f(LANGAUGE) hard to understand about that?? It's exploiting the system. Here's the definition of Exploit so you can get by the "it's hazy" comment. -- software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
And Blind fanboys.. They see what?? Here's a quarter.. hop the clue boss.. and delete this thread.
Your not responding to mine but owell.
1. I played it its ready
2. They never tried to be "ready" it has been their plan to release one server that can hold up to 10k players at a time for over two years and they are sticking to it so stfu.
3. you saw a video, I played it.
4.He gave you a list of shit to do.
5. he just liked skill based more dosn't matter if it makes more sense or not.
6. yup lots of macros. At least they drop good loot.
Clueless fanboy.. Again.. You.. are.. borderline.. (edited for content)
1. Wouldn't play on my computer. Kept crashing. Yep.. DEFINITLY READY.
2. Does it hurt to be so.. .. EDITED FOR CONTENT.. You didn't even read why they said they are limiting release.. how f'n (****) do you have to be to NOT read that?? So.. you're telling me, they only planned on having 10k users total?? My god how are you employed??? How can you bee that DENSE?
3. See number 1. Wouldn't play. Crashed. Crashed.. Oh.. and it's your opinion that it's ready.
4. My god.. You must be new to the world gaming. You need more to do that FIGHT OTHER PLAYERS. Ask your Dad/Uncle..
5. Learn to READ. Then respond back.. Clueless fanboy is CLUELESS.
6. Macroing in the Tower areas?? Yeah.. I bet you kill them.. OH WAIT.. YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU GET KILLED BY THE GUARD TOWERS.. F'n.. fanboys.. LEARN TO READ.
I'll chalk you up to another blind fanboy.. So.. does Tasos say your name??
2. Stop hiding behind this. They've had that many requests for.. well over 6 months dude. 6 fucking. How can you say they weren't "ready" for that? Such BS..
3. Again, saw the video of them fighting and running around.. no mobs anywhere.. Video card guy said he ran 10-15 minutes without finding a mob.. for a game that was "as ready as most games even a month after release" this area is still sorely lacking.
4. Again.. Get a clue.. There needs to be something!!! to do when you've maxed your skills other than kill other players.. What is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a huge chunk of minigames like CS, there has to be something to do, when there's nothing to do.
5. You swing a sword 24 times and you hit for 2. but on that 25th time, you hit for 10. then, on that 50th time, you hit for 50. Because.. that makes more sense than not allocating XP?? -- Sure..
6. Don't give me "hazy" issue.. That's (LANGAUGE) BS.. it's CHEATING.. What's so f(LANGAUGE) hard to understand about that?? It's exploiting the system. Here's the definition of Exploit so you can get by the "it's hazy" comment. -- software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
And Blind fanboys.. They see what?? Here's a quarter.. hop the clue boss.. and delete this thread.
Your not responding to mine but owell.
1. I played it its ready
2. They never tried to be "ready" it has been their plan to release one server that can hold up to 10k players at a time for over two years and they are sticking to it so stfu.
3. you saw a video, I played it.
4.He gave you a list of shit to do.
5. he just liked skill based more dosn't matter if it makes more sense or not.
6. yup lots of macros. At least they drop good loot.
Clueless fanboy.. Again.. You.. are.. borderline.. (edited for content)
1. Wouldn't play on my computer. Kept crashing. Yep.. DEFINITLY READY.
LOL , this means your computer isn't ready. System requirements are listed from the sound of it yours doesn't meet them lol. Mine and plenty of others do and the game runs flawlessly.
2. Does it hurt to be so.. .. EDITED FOR CONTENT.. You didn't even read why they said they are limiting release.. how f'n (****) do you have to be to NOT read that?? So.. you're telling me, they only planned on having 10k users total?? My god how are you employed??? How can you bee that DENSE?
3. See number 1. Wouldn't play. Crashed. Crashed.. Oh.. and it's your opinion that it's ready.
Re-read what I wrote under number 1
4. My god.. You must be new to the world gaming. You need more to do that FIGHT OTHER PLAYERS. Ask your Dad/Uncle..
Then you obviously haven't played if thats all you think DFO has, oh wait you admit as much so invalidates your input on this subject.
5. Learn to READ. Then respond back.. Clueless fanboy is CLUELESS.
6. Macroing in the Tower areas?? Yeah.. I bet you kill them.. OH WAIT.. YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU GET KILLED BY THE GUARD TOWERS.. F'n.. fanboys.. LEARN TO READ.
lol You jump into there shot or Swing and flag them grey, then kill them and loot them if they have anything. Learn to speak only on things you have knowledge of.
I'll chalk you up to another blind fanboy.. So.. does Tasos say your name??
Chalk it up to someone actually playing in beta that seems to know more than you lol.
Originally posted by SignusM Now here we are, present day. What do we have? We have so many people trying to buy the game that its CRASHING THE WEB SERVER. Aventurine has announced they're getting 20x the number of connections per second than they estimated and they're trying to deal with it now but upping their systems AGAIN.
It's pretty easy to crash a web server that isn't constructed to take on too many connections, this isn't rocket science it is a shitty server doing a shitty job. Bare minimum hardware.
Originally posted by SignusM Overwhelming majority of reviews say the game is great, could use a tiny bit of tweaking and balancing, but all the systems are there. Aiming arrows and spells, advanced AI, sieging, ship combat, twitch melee system, all the features they promised (with the exception of roaming mobs) are there, and people are scrambling to buy the game.
This is in fact untrue most unbiased reviews say they wouldn't buy it at launch since it is defiantly not ready for launch and it shows. Sure you will have the die hard fanbois through themselves in front of moving cars to play this game so you can't take those views with heart it could be an empty world with 3 trees and pixelated graphics but as long as it is called Darkfall they would buy it. And vice versa the true haters you can't take those words either.
From what I've been shown there is nothing advanced about this AI, all it is scripted to keep tab on the mobs health and when it is almost dead it turns tail and runs then comes back when out of the players range and repeats. There is nothing advanced about this at all. If the mob actually hid or tried to get a better vantage point or ran away and never came back, that would be advanced.
As far as a siege goes there is no war weapon, or traps that they promised as well as the cut of player made houses. I haven't seen anyone use ship combat so can't comment if it is in or not. And the PVP system is dumbed down more than what they had on paper.
Originally posted by SignusM And here you sit, many of you former vapor trolls, trying to find anything and everything you can to bring the game down, just so you don't feel like a total moron. What happened to rooting for the underdog? 30 people in Greece delivered game with more depth, soul, and uniqeuness than any release in the past 4 years (except for EVE).
I wouldn't say that it depends on your game style taste. Because LotRO has more soul and depth than any other PVE game in the last 4yrs but like I said it's all a matter of taste.
Originally posted by SignusM Let's look at Vanguard, a game which I loved. At launch, 8/10 quests were bugged, servers were plagued with horrible lag, client crashed and blue screened almost every hour, almost every major system from quest encounters to ships were broken, grouping bugs, bugs EVERYWHERE. Age of Conan, launched with maybe 1/20 of its major features intact and lacked any content past level 20. The performance was fairly bad, and each zone got instanced if more than 50 people entered it. You couldn't even go back to noob zones if you were a high enogh levels. Dev response "Why would you want to?" Now we have Darkfall, virtually every complaint that got brought up in beta was addressed within 2 days. What they're working on now, is a better rogue flagging system and a bit of the skill progression so that things are more worth it earlier on. They've already overhauled magic twice and done a fantastic job. World was too empty? Virtually every camp has been turned on now, people were whining cause they had them turned off to test the AI nodes, now I haven't seen an empty one in 2 weeks. The game could use a little touch ups, but its rock stable, and all the features are there. But some people just loooove to make mountains out of mole hills.
Now you are going on about games at launch and your problem is you can't comment because Darkfall has not launched yet! You have no idea what is going to happen, just wait you will get unbelievable amounts of lag when this launches, they didn't stress test the server big fuckin oops on their part. You will have bugs and you will have balance issues it's a sure fact. Until this game hits live you can't open your mouth.
Originally posted by SignusM The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it. I think my favorite moment was when you guys said "The DDOS was faked to give them more time!" The reason I was laughing my ass off during that is because the day of the DDOS I got my beta invite.
More than likely the DDOS was fake who the hell had time to attack a small development company over a stupid game. It was a trick to give them more time no doubt in my mind about that, but you can think whatever you like. If you think a dev studio that can't meet deadlines for years and years isn't going to trick the community you got another thing coming.
In closing nice to see you stick your head outta the sand when everything becomes more clear on your side of the argument where the hell were ya before when the skepticism reached its peak.
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va·por·ware Listen to the pronunciation of vaporware
Pronunciation:
?v?-p?r-?wer
Function:
noun
Date:
1984 : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
This is the problem with the fanboys and haters... They refuse to acknowledge the definition of what vaporware is. One uses it as a weapon of lies and falsehoods and the other refuses to admit that their game falls under the true definition.
By ur own definition Darkfall is not Vaporware.
a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
AND may never become available.
not OR may never become available.
AND.
That means, Vaporware must fullfill following criteria:
Widely advertized, has not become available AND may never become available.
Since its becoming available next wednesday it BY NO MEANS falls into this category.
I don't know what people have to apologise about. The game isn't out yet, and time will tell as to whether or not the game will be a success or if it will join all the other games on that steaming pile of horsecrap called "MMORPGs that had potential, but crapped out due to shoody development, despite the wishes and dreams of their small yet fanatical playerbase".
I got the expected responses so here's another definition. This one is from Wikipedia.
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Anyways the game hasn't come out yet. Even if it does come out the 25th it doesn't negate that it fell into the Vaporware category. It just means it finally came out.
I'm personally gonna wait a month or 3 before I get the game. I want to see what happens before I drop money on the game.
Oh its so cute when you guys pick little things apart and just plain old make things up to make yourself feel better about how well Darkfall is doing.
For years and years and years I've listened to this website bash on Darkfall. "The game doesn't exist" "I looked it up on google earth, the office address is fake!" "That video was made with Gmod!" "You people are all getting duped! I'm just trying to save you!"
Then August rolls around, we get a nice 17 minute video "It was all scripted and fake, none of that stuff is really in the game" "This is so bogus, Age of Conan had nice movies too".
Then beta rolls around "I don't know anyone in beta, it must be fake" "Game doesn't exist, they just made this announcement to string people along, those monsters." "How come there are no leaks? If the game was real, people would be leaking."
Then the leaks started popping up "Ok well... ok the game is real but... its going to suck! Yeah yeah that's the argument I'm going with now! This game is going to tank harder than any game in the history of forever!" "Yeah, you guys are losers for following this game, look at those Doom graphics lolz" "Psh, this game is going to suck so bad, no one is going to touch it." "There's no way this game is launching with all the stuff they've promised."
Now here we are, present day. What do we have? We have so many people trying to buy the game that its CRASHING THE WEB SERVER. Aventurine has announced they're getting 20x the number of connections per second than they estimated and they're trying to deal with it now but upping their systems AGAIN.
Overwhelming majority of reviews say the game is great, could use a tiny bit of tweaking and balancing, but all the systems are there. Aiming arrows and spells, advanced AI, sieging, ship combat, twitch melee system, all the features they promised (with the exception of roaming mobs) are there, and people are scrambling to buy the game.
And here you sit, many of you former vapor trolls, trying to find anything and everything you can to bring the game down, just so you don't feel like a total moron. What happened to rooting for the underdog? 30 people in Greece delivered game with more depth, soul, and uniqeuness than any release in the past 4 years (except for EVE).
Let's look at Vanguard, a game which I loved. At launch, 8/10 quests were bugged, servers were plagued with horrible lag, client crashed and blue screened almost every hour, almost every major system from quest encounters to ships were broken, grouping bugs, bugs EVERYWHERE.
Age of Conan, launched with maybe 1/20 of its major features intact and lacked any content past level 20. The performance was fairly bad, and each zone got instanced if more than 50 people entered it. You couldn't even go back to noob zones if you were a high enogh levels. Dev response "Why would you want to?"
Now we have Darkfall, virtually every complaint that got brought up in beta was addressed within 2 days. What they're working on now, is a better rogue flagging system and a bit of the skill progression so that things are more worth it earlier on. They've already overhauled magic twice and done a fantastic job. World was too empty? Virtually every camp has been turned on now, people were whining cause they had them turned off to test the AI nodes, now I haven't seen an empty one in 2 weeks.
The game could use a little touch ups, but its rock stable, and all the features are there. But some people just loooove to make mountains out of mole hills.
The game is real, so you lost that battle, no matter how many times you tried to ressurrect it. I think my favorite moment was when you guys said "The DDOS was faked to give them more time!" The reason I was laughing my ass off during that is because the day of the DDOS I got my beta invite.
The game you waited for is being released, get a life now pls.
I got the expected responses so here's another definition. This one is from Wikipedia. Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Anyways the game hasn't come out yet. Even if it does come out the 25th it doesn't negate that it fell into the Vaporware category. It just means it finally came out. I'm personally gonna wait a month or 3 before I get the game. I want to see what happens before I drop money on the game.
operative sentence being Failed to Emerge.
Its coming out the 25th, it has not failed to emerge.
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There's more content in a Vanguard newbie area and it's close surroundings than in whole Darkfall.
I'm sorry about how you gauge content, just because the devs in darkfall don't put little quests everywhere so you can run around and kill x or talk to y dosn't mean there is less to do.
Did you even see the recent DF beta review (done by a fanboi) with a screenshot of a quest to kill 7 rats or something?
LOL selfpwn FTL
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
I never doubted the game was real. But I also believe the game looks like utter crap. Time will be the judge, but I'd wager money on it that 6 months after "launch" Darkfall will be a niche game...at best.
Hey, it was never supposed to be more than niche. Some of the more insane fanboys said it would be a WoW killer, but no sensible person ever thought that.
Hell, even the devs are shocked at the number of people interested.
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I never doubted the game was real. But I also believe the game looks like utter crap. Time will be the judge, but I'd wager money on it that 6 months after "launch" Darkfall will be a niche game...at best.
Hey, it was never supposed to be more than niche. Some of the more insane fanboys said it would be a WoW killer, but no sensible person ever thought that.
Hell, even the devs are shocked at the number of people interested.
Considering what they promised they shouldn't be... but what they SHOULD is be afraid of the backlash from lack of delivery...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
There's more content in a Vanguard newbie area and it's close surroundings than in whole Darkfall.
I'm sorry about how you gauge content, just because the devs in darkfall don't put little quests everywhere so you can run around and kill x or talk to y dosn't mean there is less to do.
Compare Vanguard's crafting to Darkfalls... and cry.
I'm not a big fan of Vanguard, because it's another level/class based EQ/WoW clone, but there are many things they did WAY better than Darkfall. And I don't talk about "little quests everywhere", but basic game mechanics. Resource gathering in Vanguard doesn't consist in macroing the same resource node for hours.
Respect, walk
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A client that has never been tested? What do you think beta was? There were many many thousands of players in beta.
That was the magical AI that cures cancer.
And the removal of about 50% of the advertised features. Hows that housing or boat combat?
lol, both are in game. Shows how much the trolls know? If you want to bash a game, at least get your facts straight.
Boats are a heavy heavy investment, I think about 4 clans managed to start churning out boats in beta. I hadn't seen one until 2 days ago when a landing party of red dwarves and maharim landed on the shore of a mob camp and absolutely destroyed me. It was a magical moment.
Housing, is in clan cities, as the devs said it would be.
It was meant to be player owned housing though originally so let the Trolls have that one. It is missing one feature, that isn't bad. The trolls get a WIN!............. lol.
A Troll is someone you do not agree with.
No a fanboy is someone you don't agree with.
I don't agree.
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I know, lol come here trolling trying to get a response and you consider yourself mature because you say it worked? lol. Irony at it's best.
I never once called DF vaporware so do not lump me in that category. I was a major AV skeptic.
I was stating my opinion (which 99% of forums are opinions) on what I have seen on these boards and Aions boards in relationonship with the word vaporware. I didnt make any refrence to me in my post but yet you twist it to make it sound like i did. Just another example of the DF fanatic at its best. "Where did I say I am more mature bucause I it worked" I didnt, how mature is it twisting my words and adding words to my post to try to insult me?
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2. Stop hiding behind this. They've had that many requests for.. well over 6 months dude. 6 fucking. How can you say they weren't "ready" for that? Such BS..
3. Again, saw the video of them fighting and running around.. no mobs anywhere.. Video card guy said he ran 10-15 minutes without finding a mob.. for a game that was "as ready as most games even a month after release" this area is still sorely lacking.
4. Again.. Get a clue.. There needs to be something!!! to do when you've maxed your skills other than kill other players.. What is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a huge chunk of minigames like CS, there has to be something to do, when there's nothing to do.
5. You swing a sword 24 times and you hit for 2. but on that 25th time, you hit for 10. then, on that 50th time, you hit for 50. Because.. that makes more sense than not allocating XP?? -- Sure..
6. Don't give me "hazy" issue.. That's (LANGAUGE) BS.. it's CHEATING.. What's so f(LANGAUGE) hard to understand about that?? It's exploiting the system. Here's the definition of Exploit so you can get by the "it's hazy" comment. -- software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
And Blind fanboys.. They see what?? Here's a quarter.. hop the clue boss.. and delete this thread.
Your not responding to mine but owell.
1. I played it its ready
2. They never tried to be "ready" it has been their plan to release one server that can hold up to 10k players at a time for over two years and they are sticking to it so stfu.
3. you saw a video, I played it.
4.He gave you a list of shit to do.
5. he just liked skill based more dosn't matter if it makes more sense or not.
6. yup lots of macros. At least they drop good loot.
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There's more content in a Vanguard newbie area and it's close surroundings than in whole Darkfall.
I'm sorry about how you gauge content, just because the devs in darkfall don't put little quests everywhere so you can run around and kill x or talk to y dosn't mean there is less to do.
Compare Vanguard's crafting to Darkfalls... and cry.
I'm not a big fan of Vanguard, because it's another level/class based EQ/WoW clone, but there are many things they did WAY better than Darkfall. And I don't talk about "little quests everywhere", but basic game mechanics. Resource gathering in Vanguard doesn't consist in macroing the same resource node for hours.
alright yeah darkfall crafing and shit is boring to you w/e I still find it fun, I was just copying what random mage said about Vanguard. I never played vangaurd and I didn't care about it since it was just EQ clone number xx. go argue with random mage.
O yeah and clearly because you changed from "Content" to "crafting" I just randomly guessed what the start of Vanguard was like and It sees I was right... deep game it looks like it might just be as predicable as every other game out there.
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Nice thread, I did not know the trolls where that bad to begin with as I came in not long ago.
To kill a troll u must burn the body thou, or they will just come back.
Seriously thou, its hysterical to see how they are acting now.
There was a guy in this very thread who claimed 50% of the features promised where not in the game, thats just....
It shows the level of ridicilous moronic frame of mind that pride will take you.
-Darkstar
Please explain to me how ALL (positive and negative) beta-reviews bring you to the conclusion that Darkfall has all of THIS
I fail to see how you can call Darkfall feature complete in any way.
I'll pick a few glaringly obvious things:
1) Player Housing
2) Food affecting your regeneration (as in, you need to eat regularily to be at your best)
3) NPC Hirelings
4) Prestige Classes
And please don't tell me all this BS about it being announced for ages that these things are not in. That may be true for some and even then, it is still advertised on their website. Some people would call it false advertising. Me, I call it laziness, but I aslo call the game feature-INCOMPLETE.
Less glaringly obvious things:
"I don?t like PvP, why should I even consider trying out Darkfall?
If you give it a chance, you?ll discover that Darkfall is an extremely well rounded game. For example, there?s as much effort going into the quest engine and the crafting process, as there is going into the combat design. Darkfall features the ultimate player based economy, more useful trade skills than any other released MMORPG to date, advanced NPC and monster AI, and a quest engine constantly creating new and challenging content. Furthermore, the game world is huge; you could move to a remote area with your friends and try to create a safe haven for other like-minded players. "
Funny, aren't the fanbois screaming now that questing and PVE are only for stupid WOW carebears and was never meant to be a big part of DF. Obviously the Dev's thought differently at some point.
/end rant
Now...why don't people treat DF as what it is. A project by a small indie company that did its best and couldn't pull everything off they planned. The core game seems to be there and it will be a fun game for those who enjoy the FFA PvP Full Loot environment and have no use for much else? Because from all the Beta Reports, that is what I am getting.
But that's not what was promised. Much...much...MUCH more was promised, but not delivered. Period.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I know, lol come here trolling trying to get a response and you consider yourself mature because you say it worked? lol. Irony at it's best.
I never once called DF vaporware so do not lump me in that category. I was a major AV skeptic.
I was stating my opinion (which 99% of forums are opinions) on what I have seen on these boards and Aions boards in relationonship with the word vaporware. I didnt make any refrence to me in my post but yet you twist it to make it sound like i did. Just another example of the DF fanatic at its best. "Where did I say I am more mature bucause I it worked" I didnt, how mature is it twisting my words and adding words to my post to try to insult me?
There is a difference between one idiot coming and claiming a game is vaporware than an army of trolls marching though spouting it.
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Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Vaporware
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Main Entry:
va·por·ware Listen to the pronunciation of vaporware
Pronunciation:
?v?-p?r-?wer
Function:
noun
Date:
1984
: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
This is the problem with the fanboys and haters... They refuse to acknowledge the definition of what vaporware is.
One uses it as a weapon of lies and falsehoods and the other refuses to admit that their game falls under the true definition.
-Almerel
Hello my old friend.
"has not and may never become available"
It's coming out on the 25th...
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Until Downfall is released it's vapourware, if it gets released this year it'll be Dark and Light version 1.05. I could go on to quote rabid fanbois that said "DF will release on the 22nd because Tasos said so" **cough** downtoearth **cough** and ridicule them. However with a steaming pile like DF I hardly believe it would be a massive victory over the doubters if it got released.
A bit like me ordering a chocolate sundae, being told it'll never arrive. Then when it arrives it's actually a runny turd with sprinkles on and I laugh at the guy that doubted it'd ever arrive!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
"has not and may never become available"
It's coming out on the 25th...
Yep, so it HAS NOT come out, and noting over the last 5 years will make many people who were looking forward to this in 03 change their minds till servers are up and people are logged in...
Till it crashes anyway...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
It isn't meant in that deffinition though. I mean if I call someone a Hoe, do you really thing I am calling them a gardening tool?
It's the intent we were responding to lol, not the word.
1..
2. Stop hiding behind this. They've had that many requests for.. well over 6 months dude. 6 fucking. How can you say they weren't "ready" for that? Such BS..
3. Again, saw the video of them fighting and running around.. no mobs anywhere.. Video card guy said he ran 10-15 minutes without finding a mob.. for a game that was "as ready as most games even a month after release" this area is still sorely lacking.
4. Again.. Get a clue.. There needs to be something!!! to do when you've maxed your skills other than kill other players.. What is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a huge chunk of minigames like CS, there has to be something to do, when there's nothing to do.
5. You swing a sword 24 times and you hit for 2. but on that 25th time, you hit for 10. then, on that 50th time, you hit for 50. Because.. that makes more sense than not allocating XP?? -- Sure..
6. Don't give me "hazy" issue.. That's (LANGAUGE) BS.. it's CHEATING.. What's so f(LANGAUGE) hard to understand about that?? It's exploiting the system. Here's the definition of Exploit so you can get by the "it's hazy" comment. -- software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
And Blind fanboys.. They see what?? Here's a quarter.. hop the clue boss.. and delete this thread.
Your not responding to mine but owell.
1. I played it its ready
2. They never tried to be "ready" it has been their plan to release one server that can hold up to 10k players at a time for over two years and they are sticking to it so stfu.
3. you saw a video, I played it.
4.He gave you a list of shit to do.
5. he just liked skill based more dosn't matter if it makes more sense or not.
6. yup lots of macros. At least they drop good loot.
Clueless fanboy.. Again.. You.. are.. borderline.. (edited for content)
1. Wouldn't play on my computer. Kept crashing. Yep.. DEFINITLY READY.
2. Does it hurt to be so.. .. EDITED FOR CONTENT.. You didn't even read why they said they are limiting release.. how f'n (****) do you have to be to NOT read that?? So.. you're telling me, they only planned on having 10k users total?? My god how are you employed??? How can you bee that DENSE?
3. See number 1. Wouldn't play. Crashed. Crashed.. Oh.. and it's your opinion that it's ready.
4. My god.. You must be new to the world gaming. You need more to do that FIGHT OTHER PLAYERS. Ask your Dad/Uncle..
5. Learn to READ. Then respond back.. Clueless fanboy is CLUELESS.
6. Macroing in the Tower areas?? Yeah.. I bet you kill them.. OH WAIT.. YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU GET KILLED BY THE GUARD TOWERS.. F'n.. fanboys.. LEARN TO READ.
I'll chalk you up to another blind fanboy.. So.. does Tasos say your name??
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2. Stop hiding behind this. They've had that many requests for.. well over 6 months dude. 6 fucking. How can you say they weren't "ready" for that? Such BS..
3. Again, saw the video of them fighting and running around.. no mobs anywhere.. Video card guy said he ran 10-15 minutes without finding a mob.. for a game that was "as ready as most games even a month after release" this area is still sorely lacking.
4. Again.. Get a clue.. There needs to be something!!! to do when you've maxed your skills other than kill other players.. What is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a huge chunk of minigames like CS, there has to be something to do, when there's nothing to do.
5. You swing a sword 24 times and you hit for 2. but on that 25th time, you hit for 10. then, on that 50th time, you hit for 50. Because.. that makes more sense than not allocating XP?? -- Sure..
6. Don't give me "hazy" issue.. That's (LANGAUGE) BS.. it's CHEATING.. What's so f(LANGAUGE) hard to understand about that?? It's exploiting the system. Here's the definition of Exploit so you can get by the "it's hazy" comment. -- software bug, hack or bot that contributes to the user's prosperity in a manner not intended by the developers.
And Blind fanboys.. They see what?? Here's a quarter.. hop the clue boss.. and delete this thread.
Your not responding to mine but owell.
1. I played it its ready
2. They never tried to be "ready" it has been their plan to release one server that can hold up to 10k players at a time for over two years and they are sticking to it so stfu.
3. you saw a video, I played it.
4.He gave you a list of shit to do.
5. he just liked skill based more dosn't matter if it makes more sense or not.
6. yup lots of macros. At least they drop good loot.
Clueless fanboy.. Again.. You.. are.. borderline.. (edited for content)
1. Wouldn't play on my computer. Kept crashing. Yep.. DEFINITLY READY.
LOL , this means your computer isn't ready. System requirements are listed from the sound of it yours doesn't meet them lol. Mine and plenty of others do and the game runs flawlessly.
2. Does it hurt to be so.. .. EDITED FOR CONTENT.. You didn't even read why they said they are limiting release.. how f'n (****) do you have to be to NOT read that?? So.. you're telling me, they only planned on having 10k users total?? My god how are you employed??? How can you bee that DENSE?
3. See number 1. Wouldn't play. Crashed. Crashed.. Oh.. and it's your opinion that it's ready.
Re-read what I wrote under number 1
4. My god.. You must be new to the world gaming. You need more to do that FIGHT OTHER PLAYERS. Ask your Dad/Uncle..
Then you obviously haven't played if thats all you think DFO has, oh wait you admit as much so invalidates your input on this subject.
5. Learn to READ. Then respond back.. Clueless fanboy is CLUELESS.
6. Macroing in the Tower areas?? Yeah.. I bet you kill them.. OH WAIT.. YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU GET KILLED BY THE GUARD TOWERS.. F'n.. fanboys.. LEARN TO READ.
lol You jump into there shot or Swing and flag them grey, then kill them and loot them if they have anything. Learn to speak only on things you have knowledge of.
I'll chalk you up to another blind fanboy.. So.. does Tasos say your name??
Chalk it up to someone actually playing in beta that seems to know more than you lol.
It's pretty easy to crash a web server that isn't constructed to take on too many connections, this isn't rocket science it is a shitty server doing a shitty job. Bare minimum hardware.
This is in fact untrue most unbiased reviews say they wouldn't buy it at launch since it is defiantly not ready for launch and it shows. Sure you will have the die hard fanbois through themselves in front of moving cars to play this game so you can't take those views with heart it could be an empty world with 3 trees and pixelated graphics but as long as it is called Darkfall they would buy it. And vice versa the true haters you can't take those words either.
From what I've been shown there is nothing advanced about this AI, all it is scripted to keep tab on the mobs health and when it is almost dead it turns tail and runs then comes back when out of the players range and repeats. There is nothing advanced about this at all. If the mob actually hid or tried to get a better vantage point or ran away and never came back, that would be advanced.
As far as a siege goes there is no war weapon, or traps that they promised as well as the cut of player made houses. I haven't seen anyone use ship combat so can't comment if it is in or not. And the PVP system is dumbed down more than what they had on paper.
I wouldn't say that it depends on your game style taste. Because LotRO has more soul and depth than any other PVE game in the last 4yrs but like I said it's all a matter of taste.
Now you are going on about games at launch and your problem is you can't comment because Darkfall has not launched yet! You have no idea what is going to happen, just wait you will get unbelievable amounts of lag when this launches, they didn't stress test the server big fuckin oops on their part. You will have bugs and you will have balance issues it's a sure fact. Until this game hits live you can't open your mouth.
More than likely the DDOS was fake who the hell had time to attack a small development company over a stupid game. It was a trick to give them more time no doubt in my mind about that, but you can think whatever you like. If you think a dev studio that can't meet deadlines for years and years isn't going to trick the community you got another thing coming.
In closing nice to see you stick your head outta the sand when everything becomes more clear on your side of the argument where the hell were ya before when the skepticism reached its peak.
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The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost.
By ur own definition Darkfall is not Vaporware.
a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
AND may never become available.
not OR may never become available.
AND.
That means, Vaporware must fullfill following criteria:
Widely advertized, has not become available AND may never become available.
Since its becoming available next wednesday it BY NO MEANS falls into this category.
-Darkstar
I don't know what people have to apologise about. The game isn't out yet, and time will tell as to whether or not the game will be a success or if it will join all the other games on that steaming pile of horsecrap called "MMORPGs that had potential, but crapped out due to shoody development, despite the wishes and dreams of their small yet fanatical playerbase".
I got the expected responses so here's another definition. This one is from Wikipedia.
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Anyways the game hasn't come out yet. Even if it does come out the 25th it doesn't negate that it fell into the Vaporware category. It just means it finally came out.
I'm personally gonna wait a month or 3 before I get the game. I want to see what happens before I drop money on the game.
-Almerel
Hello my old friend.
The game you waited for is being released, get a life now pls.
jeez.. asking for apologies and shit..
Played: Earth'n'Beyond-WoW-EvE-EQ2-LoTRo-PotBS-CoV-Vanguard-FFXI-DDO-L2
operative sentence being Failed to Emerge.
Its coming out the 25th, it has not failed to emerge.
-Darkstar