Wow, some of ou people are idiots. If someone tried to buy the game, but could not because the company is making it impossible to buy, then decides it is not worth it, he would have been a customer but now will not be, so therefore the company has lost a customer.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Wow, some of ou people are idiots. If someone tried to buy the game, but could not because the company is making it impossible to buy, then decides it is not worth it, he would have been a customer but now will not be, so therefore the company has lost a customer.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
have you EVER worked in a business that requires clientele...cause if i used this logic, and lost a customer repeatedly due to my ineptness or my attitude "meh, they were never a customer anyways" i would have been fired on the spot.
Wow, some of ou people are idiots. If someone tried to buy the game, but could not because the company is making it impossible to buy, then decides it is not worth it, he would have been a customer but now will not be, so therefore the company has lost a customer.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
Bad logic.
"would have been = is not", and "would have been = never was", but is "not != never was"
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Wow, some of ou people are idiots. If someone tried to buy the game, but could not because the company is making it impossible to buy, then decides it is not worth it, he would have been a customer but now will not be, so therefore the company has lost a customer.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
Bad logic.
"would have been = is not", and "would have been = never was", but is "not != never was"
LOL at least..you agree on logic supports the claim about him NOT being a customer at any point in time before he buy the product..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
lets say you go to a burger joint. your waiting in line to get a burger. but only the 1st 5 people get them and the management says they are out of burgers. Everyone left in line will leave , go to another place that sells a similar product. Thus that buger joint lost customers.
Anyone who has worked in customer service, retal, sales ect. knows that every person they make contact with is a customer. even if they just browse around and not buy anything. if Customers are NOT serviced you lose those customers any buisness knows this. Not serving customers = no income for said company.
Everyone who has been trying to purchase darkfall are indeed customers. Av just lacks the ability to serve these customers what they want. On doing so they lose these people who will eventually go to another product to invest their money.
Customers does not mean people who paid. It includes people who are willing to pay or even refuse to continue paying. Consumers is the best word for it.
People who refuse to continue paying/ buying a product are treated with more care to win back the customer. they never stop being one of those. even if they leave buisnesses will offer then incentives to come back.
Loyal customers are those who are satisfied with the product, they do not need any maintence.
The rest need special treatment to keep the money comming.
regardless how you try to adorn a customer they will always be a customer. the useage of loyal and potential are only lables to the word customer.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Wow, some of ou people are idiots. If someone tried to buy the game, but could not because the company is making it impossible to buy, then decides it is not worth it, he would have been a customer but now will not be, so therefore the company has lost a customer.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
Bad logic.
"would have been = is not", and "would have been = never was", but is "not != never was"
LOL at least..you agree on logic supports the claim about him NOT being a customer at any point in time before he buy the product..
If someone is standing at the counter with the money in one hand and the product in the other, they are a customer. If the cashier never shows up and the person leaves, then that customer is lost.
Hey, only real customer can be lost ..trolls pretending to had any interest are not of these kind .. The poll will fail cause the haters here at MMORPG.com are the majority ands will lie about they were customers.. Only people owning a copy of the game should vote..
Yes, we must follow Raidens rules to the letter if we truly want the results of this poll to hold up to statistical muster.
You are a peice of work m8.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Everyone in the world is a potential customer. If, you haven't bought the game (even when trying), you are still not a customer. So, by default, the poll is flawed unless it's changed to 'potential customers'.
umm no...those who are interested and having tried to buy this game are potential customers, and are still customers.
I would never buy a personal plane, hence i am not a potential customer. I have been interested in Darkfall, so yes i am a potential customer (even played a bit of it in beta)
Umm yes everyone IS a potential customer who shows an interest in the game and wishes at some point to get their hands on it.
As for ppl saying they have stopped you from seeing how many are online only goes to show they want to hide how many copies they are truly selling each day, the 4 digit number could be 0099.
Why hide how many are in-game now?
They should be more up-front with ppl who are trying to get a copy.
I was going to wait 2 months but I think I'll change that to 4 months, will probably take that long for things to pan out.
The only thing amusing about this entire launch is reading the official Darkfall forums and seeing somebody cuss out Aventurine and Tasos in every other topic, while the mods scramble to delete everything.
Sieg Heil, Aventurine! No freedom of speech in Greece, I guess.
Hey, only real customer can be lost ..trolls pretending to had any interest are not of these kind .. The poll will fail cause the haters here at MMORPG.com are the majority ands will lie about they were customers.. Only people owning a copy of the game should vote..
Huh?
Hey pal...you are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
This is read "Hello....you are a PRECioUs vet...one of the loudest haters on this site".
You might wanna think about that before running your mouth about others. It screams out that you are an imbecile.
Then again....
I didnt bother voting since sandbox/FFA isnt my gaming style. If it were, I would be upset...but dont know if I would give up yet due to not many of these games being made. If DF turns out as good as hyped, would be a shame for folks to miss it.
Although I must say better them than me. I wouldnt want the aggravation atm. I think some folks ready to have kittens :P
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
I was fortunate enough to get an account the first day they brought sales back up for release. Now i too was frustrated, but you gotta realize that the company is quite small, i mean they didnt even take the time to take the time to update a release post on there webpage. the company hs done a lot of ass backwards shit. I can only hope they can figure it all out soo.
i also want to note that this is a gritty game, its a half polished game but the core of the mechanics work great. i am having a blast and so is everyone in my guild. This is not a game for soloers, this IS a beware of who and whats around you cause someone can run up and kill ya and take your loot. Its a great game thus far PVP wise, the npc AI is pretty horrible but so was UO's.
all in all the dev team has a lot of polishing to do, but the pvp is great .
As a person who couldn t wait for this game many years ago. hen got a beta spot, wanted to everytime i tested like it, but couldn t The beta actually lost me as a customer. I know alot can change etc etc, but the game at it s core wasn t even close to anything i was hoping, well mostly. It has fun to be had but it was just so pointless to me and will in the end become just a job. Anyways yes it did lose me as a customer.
After doing a little research and studying for yourself, you should now have the knowledge that a potential customer and customer are actually two different things. Having said that, people should now see why this poll is flawed.
Furthermore, let's look at business in terms of this, because Aventurine is actually a business. If someone walked into McDonald's and bought a hamburger one day, came in the next day and tried to buy a hamburger again but couldn't because they didn't get served or the line was to long and the company ran out, they then leave and never come back again, McDonald's lost that customer and a potential sale. However, if they come back the next day and buy another hamburger (or ever again), McDonald's has only lost a potential sale.
Now, if you bought the game and then decided to cancel your subscription, Darkfall has now lost a customer. You are not a customer until you actually bought the game. Until then you are a potential customer.
I'll wait for a trial version of the game b4 i even think about trying this out. Doesnt look like thats gonna happen anytime soon the way Adventurine is running things.
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR. Playing EVE Online and AOC. Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
I lost interest when i realized that it wouldnt have a bunch of the features that originally sucked me into this forum.
Hey, speaking of logic: Deth and Darth, what would be the logical explaination for having NPC hirelings, and setting up caravans as a merchant, on the home page as features in the game..? For at least 8 months, and still there a week after launch? Since you seem to be hardcore logical people...
I lost interest when i realized that it wouldnt have a bunch of the features that originally sucked me into this forum. Hey, speaking of logic: Deth and Darth, what would be the logical explaination for having NPC hirelings, and setting up caravans as a merchant, on the home page as features in the game..? For at least 8 months, and still there a week after launch? Since you seem to be hardcore logical people...
Well, besides being something completely irrelevant to this subject, I'll have to say that Aventurine not updating their www.darkfallonline.com website is a negative thing about them. I agree 100% with the criticism people have of them because it's dated and hasn't changed for many years. From a business standpoint, it does yell unprofessional, but in terms of the gameplay and how fun it is, it has no bearing whatsoever. Note: I haven't played the game so I couldn't say if it's good or not.
However, even though I shouldn't have to argue that potential customer and customer are two different things, it's about comprehension and knowing the meaning of them. Honestly, this is really a result of our educational system deteriorating.
First, let us take a moment to read this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/customer?qsrc=2888 Then, read this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/potential?qsrc=2888 After doing a little research and studying for yourself, you should now have the knowledge that a potential customer and customer are actually two different things. Having said that, people should now see why this poll is flawed. Furthermore, let's look at business in terms of this, because Aventurine is actually a business. If someone walked into McDonald's and bought a hamburger one day, came in the next day and tried to buy a hamburger again but couldn't because they didn't get served or the line was to long and the company ran out, they then leave and never come back again, McDonald's lost that customer and a potential sale. However, if they come back the next day and buy another hamburger (or ever again), McDonald's has only lost a potential sale. Now, if you bought the game and then decided to cancel your subscription, Darkfall has now lost a customer. You are not a customer until you actually bought the game. Until then you are a potential customer.
Should we let them pass this point ..and not make distinction between potential and actual customer ?
look what would we win on the other hand ..the claim DarkFall has min 356,135 (official forum number) customers would be then true ; ) I would use it in any number threads then ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I lost interest when i realized that it wouldnt have a bunch of the features that originally sucked me into this forum. Hey, speaking of logic: Deth and Darth, what would be the logical explaination for having NPC hirelings, and setting up caravans as a merchant, on the home page as features in the game..? For at least 8 months, and still there a week after launch? Since you seem to be hardcore logical people...
Well, besides being something completely irrelevant to this subject, I'll have to say that Aventurine not updating their www.darkfallonline.com website is a negative thing about them. I agree 100% with the criticism people have of them because it's dated and hasn't changed for many years. From a business standpoint, it does yell unprofessional, but in terms of the gameplay and how fun it is, it has no bearing whatsoever. Note: I haven't played the game so I couldn't say if it's good or not.
However, even though I shouldn't have to argue that potential customer and customer are two different things, it's about comprehension and knowing the meaning of them. Honestly, this is really a result of our educational system deteriorating.
How is nitpicking the choice of words of the OP relevant, when you know very well what he meant?
Damn, I really thought you were a hardcore logical person, but it seems you didnt even come up with a logical theory to the home page issue, you just avoided the question entirely... ah well...
Sold my DF account to a guildie for several reasons.
There are alot of bugs in-game.
The devs claim that people are not exploiting when clearly alot of people do/did.
Aventurine have possibly pulled off the worse release in mmo history.
And personally (can't blaim DF or AV for this reason) this was my first sandbox mmo. I feel that I can't be competitive in a game like this, I don't have enough time to put in to a game these days. I can't log on for 30-60 minutes and expect to get anything done, wich for me is a turnoff because the ones that can be online and play 12 hours a day got a huge edge over me. Sad to say, I will probably go back to the themepark scene...
Originally posted by Mattyd32 I have never in my life seen a company so opposed to taking my money when i want to give it to them.
Haha I feel the same. I really want to buy this game, but I cant. Come on Aventurine, take my money please. Ah well I have to wait, because there isnt any other mmos I want to play.
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"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
have you EVER worked in a business that requires clientele...cause if i used this logic, and lost a customer repeatedly due to my ineptness or my attitude "meh, they were never a customer anyways" i would have been fired on the spot.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
Bad logic.
"would have been = is not", and "would have been = never was", but is "not != never was"
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I really wonder what you guys would actually cry if they sold everyone a key and the servers could not handle it for a month....
I know we are all junkies, but no need to behave like we don't get our fix over a video game..or?
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
Bad logic.
"would have been = is not", and "would have been = never was", but is "not != never was"
LOL at least..you agree on logic supports the claim about him NOT being a customer at any point in time before he buy the product..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I think DarthRaiden is the epitomy of the Wizard's First Rule
lets say you go to a burger joint. your waiting in line to get a burger. but only the 1st 5 people get them and the management says they are out of burgers. Everyone left in line will leave , go to another place that sells a similar product. Thus that buger joint lost customers.
Anyone who has worked in customer service, retal, sales ect. knows that every person they make contact with is a customer. even if they just browse around and not buy anything. if Customers are NOT serviced you lose those customers any buisness knows this. Not serving customers = no income for said company.
Everyone who has been trying to purchase darkfall are indeed customers. Av just lacks the ability to serve these customers what they want. On doing so they lose these people who will eventually go to another product to invest their money.
Customers does not mean people who paid. It includes people who are willing to pay or even refuse to continue paying. Consumers is the best word for it.
People who refuse to continue paying/ buying a product are treated with more care to win back the customer. they never stop being one of those. even if they leave buisnesses will offer then incentives to come back.
Loyal customers are those who are satisfied with the product, they do not need any maintence.
The rest need special treatment to keep the money comming.
regardless how you try to adorn a customer they will always be a customer. the useage of loyal and potential are only lables to the word customer.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
"would have been" = is not = never was ..customer , in my language..dunno what language u use..
Bad logic.
"would have been = is not", and "would have been = never was", but is "not != never was"
LOL at least..you agree on logic supports the claim about him NOT being a customer at any point in time before he buy the product..
If someone is standing at the counter with the money in one hand and the product in the other, they are a customer. If the cashier never shows up and the person leaves, then that customer is lost.
Yes, we must follow Raidens rules to the letter if we truly want the results of this poll to hold up to statistical muster.
You are a peice of work m8.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
You, sir, have just won this thread...
EDIT:
To the rest of you;
STOP USING 1000 DIFFERENT ANALOGIES! He's NOT going to get it! Give up!
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
lol you can tell this guy Darthraiden has never worked in the business of sales or if he did hes no longer in a job !
umm no...those who are interested and having tried to buy this game are potential customers, and are still customers.
I would never buy a personal plane, hence i am not a potential customer. I have been interested in Darkfall, so yes i am a potential customer (even played a bit of it in beta)
Umm yes everyone IS a potential customer who shows an interest in the game and wishes at some point to get their hands on it.
As for ppl saying they have stopped you from seeing how many are online only goes to show they want to hide how many copies they are truly selling each day, the 4 digit number could be 0099.
Why hide how many are in-game now?
They should be more up-front with ppl who are trying to get a copy.
I was going to wait 2 months but I think I'll change that to 4 months, will probably take that long for things to pan out.
The only thing amusing about this entire launch is reading the official Darkfall forums and seeing somebody cuss out Aventurine and Tasos in every other topic, while the mods scramble to delete everything.
Sieg Heil, Aventurine! No freedom of speech in Greece, I guess.
My blog:
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Strayfe/
Huh?
Hey pal...you are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
This is read "Hello....you are a PRECioUs vet...one of the loudest haters on this site".
You might wanna think about that before running your mouth about others. It screams out that you are an imbecile.
Then again....
I didnt bother voting since sandbox/FFA isnt my gaming style. If it were, I would be upset...but dont know if I would give up yet due to not many of these games being made. If DF turns out as good as hyped, would be a shame for folks to miss it.
Although I must say better them than me. I wouldnt want the aggravation atm. I think some folks ready to have kittens :P
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
I was fortunate enough to get an account the first day they brought sales back up for release. Now i too was frustrated, but you gotta realize that the company is quite small, i mean they didnt even take the time to take the time to update a release post on there webpage. the company hs done a lot of ass backwards shit. I can only hope they can figure it all out soo.
i also want to note that this is a gritty game, its a half polished game but the core of the mechanics work great. i am having a blast and so is everyone in my guild. This is not a game for soloers, this IS a beware of who and whats around you cause someone can run up and kill ya and take your loot. Its a great game thus far PVP wise, the npc AI is pretty horrible but so was UO's.
all in all the dev team has a lot of polishing to do, but the pvp is great .
As a person who couldn t wait for this game many years ago. hen got a beta spot, wanted to everytime i tested like it, but couldn t
The beta actually lost me as a customer. I know alot can change etc etc, but the game at it s core wasn t even close to anything i was hoping, well mostly. It has fun to be had but it was just so pointless to me and will in the end become just a job. Anyways yes it did lose me as a customer.
I think the game has lost everyone, save the few of our friends here, that post constantly defending this.."game"?
First, let us take a moment to read this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/customer?qsrc=2888
Then, read this: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/potential?qsrc=2888
After doing a little research and studying for yourself, you should now have the knowledge that a potential customer and customer are actually two different things. Having said that, people should now see why this poll is flawed.
Furthermore, let's look at business in terms of this, because Aventurine is actually a business. If someone walked into McDonald's and bought a hamburger one day, came in the next day and tried to buy a hamburger again but couldn't because they didn't get served or the line was to long and the company ran out, they then leave and never come back again, McDonald's lost that customer and a potential sale. However, if they come back the next day and buy another hamburger (or ever again), McDonald's has only lost a potential sale.
Now, if you bought the game and then decided to cancel your subscription, Darkfall has now lost a customer. You are not a customer until you actually bought the game. Until then you are a potential customer.
splat
I'll wait for a trial version of the game b4 i even think about trying this out. Doesnt look like thats gonna happen anytime soon the way Adventurine is running things.
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR.
Playing EVE Online and AOC.
Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
I lost interest when i realized that it wouldnt have a bunch of the features that originally sucked me into this forum.
Hey, speaking of logic: Deth and Darth, what would be the logical explaination for having NPC hirelings, and setting up caravans as a merchant, on the home page as features in the game..? For at least 8 months, and still there a week after launch? Since you seem to be hardcore logical people...
Well, besides being something completely irrelevant to this subject, I'll have to say that Aventurine not updating their www.darkfallonline.com website is a negative thing about them. I agree 100% with the criticism people have of them because it's dated and hasn't changed for many years. From a business standpoint, it does yell unprofessional, but in terms of the gameplay and how fun it is, it has no bearing whatsoever. Note: I haven't played the game so I couldn't say if it's good or not.
However, even though I shouldn't have to argue that potential customer and customer are two different things, it's about comprehension and knowing the meaning of them. Honestly, this is really a result of our educational system deteriorating.
splat
Should we let them pass this point ..and not make distinction between potential and actual customer ?
look what would we win on the other hand ..the claim DarkFall has min 356,135 (official forum number) customers would be then true ; ) I would use it in any number threads then ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Well, besides being something completely irrelevant to this subject, I'll have to say that Aventurine not updating their www.darkfallonline.com website is a negative thing about them. I agree 100% with the criticism people have of them because it's dated and hasn't changed for many years. From a business standpoint, it does yell unprofessional, but in terms of the gameplay and how fun it is, it has no bearing whatsoever. Note: I haven't played the game so I couldn't say if it's good or not.
However, even though I shouldn't have to argue that potential customer and customer are two different things, it's about comprehension and knowing the meaning of them. Honestly, this is really a result of our educational system deteriorating.
How is nitpicking the choice of words of the OP relevant, when you know very well what he meant?
Damn, I really thought you were a hardcore logical person, but it seems you didnt even come up with a logical theory to the home page issue, you just avoided the question entirely... ah well...
Sold my DF account to a guildie for several reasons.
There are alot of bugs in-game.
The devs claim that people are not exploiting when clearly alot of people do/did.
Aventurine have possibly pulled off the worse release in mmo history.
And personally (can't blaim DF or AV for this reason) this was my first sandbox mmo. I feel that I can't be competitive in a game like this, I don't have enough time to put in to a game these days. I can't log on for 30-60 minutes and expect to get anything done, wich for me is a turnoff because the ones that can be online and play 12 hours a day got a huge edge over me. Sad to say, I will probably go back to the themepark scene...
Haha I feel the same. I really want to buy this game, but I cant. Come on Aventurine, take my money please. Ah well I have to wait, because there isnt any other mmos I want to play.