wow, i just realized your the same person who did the vanguard post, maybe you should just stop playing mmorpg all together. so you think $4 is too mush for 40 hours of etertainment...what world do you live in
EDIT: $15 in Aion buys you 300 hours play time. which is ten hours a day i dont need more than that.
Oh yeah I forgot about that ,its cost less the more hours you get .. so even better value !
... and if any Mmo developers happen across this post ... " I want this payment method in the EU and US right now" !!
lol actually i worked it out wrong, 300 is $27..wops
only retarded monkey cant see that aoc is long term game.. they didnt invest into all that graphic, just cuz they thought it gona help the game.. ofcs it will, they did, cuz game gona be top of the line in 3 years still, its gona be good looking in 5 years still, probably same in 8 years.. , theirs engine doesnt look that hard to upgrade either.. who says they wont go to dx11 after.. even if they have 100-150k subs, who says they wont have 500k next year..
there was still no winback campaing.. nor real trials.. only trials was on this page, and some others, hey im not playing aoc atm, i know i will come back at some point.. probably after 1.5 when they offer comeback for old subs..
The problem with this argument is that it effectively says that the current subscriber base has, is and will continue to pay FC to complete development to the point where the game is enjoyable by an audience the size that FC had hoped the game would appeal to at launch.
Not saying that those who are paying FC to complete dev on their game aren't enjoying playing (though they represent a minority of players who've tried the game), but its still a crappy way to do business.
wow, i just realized your the same person who did the vanguard post, maybe you should just stop playing mmorpg all together. so you think $4 is too mush for 40 hours of etertainment...what world do you live in
EDIT: $15 in Aion buys you 300 hours play time. which is ten hours a day i dont need more than that.
Oh yeah I forgot about that ,its cost less the more hours you get .. so even better value !
... and if any Mmo developers happen across this post ... " I want this payment method in the EU and US right now" !!
lol actually i worked it out wrong, 300 is $27..wops
Oops ! .. yeah but It is cheaper I think the more hours you get is'nt it ? it is where I get mine from I think .. lol I'll double check later I think .
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
wow, i just realized your the same person who did the vanguard post, maybe you should just stop playing mmorpg all together. so you think $4 is too mush for 40 hours of etertainment...what world do you live in
EDIT: $15 in Aion buys you 300 hours play time. which is ten hours a day i dont need more than that.
Oh yeah I forgot about that ,its cost less the more hours you get .. so even better value !
... and if any Mmo developers happen across this post ... " I want this payment method in the EU and US right now" !!
lol actually i worked it out wrong, 300 is $27..wops
Oops ! .. yeah but It is cheaper I think the more hours you get is'nt it ? it is where I get mine from I think .. lol I'll double check later I think .
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong.
WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
If number is the factor then WOW is a better game than UO.
I played AOC since launch but i dont think AOC can get 500K by next year or 2yr from now. I could be wrong, but if you have AOC account go log on and see it yourself. What ppl dont like about AOC is lack of ppl, mostly it is dead. I think they need another merge.
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
By your argument, Daniel Steele and John Grisham are the greatest writers that the US has ever produced... they sell more, so they must be the best, right?
Or is it because they're mediocre writers who target the lowest common denominator?
Perhaps more people play WoW because it's easy, mindless fun... and people are sheep, they follow what the crowds are doing.
To me, AOC felt like a single player game where the developers decided half way through to make it in to an MMO. I agree that it should be free to play, but I haven't seen it since month 1. In the very least, those of us who payed 50 bucks for a shell of what was advertised should get some free time to see if the game is any better than it was at launch.
To me, AOC felt like a single player game where the developers decided half way through to make it in to an MMO. I agree that it should be free to play, but I haven't seen it since month 1. In the very least, those of us who payed 50 bucks for a shell of what was advertised should get some free time to see if the game is any better than it was at launch.
This I agree with wholeheartedly. I took the plunge, and play, and consider it an awesome game...but others feel burned. They will ONLY return if they can try again with their original characters for free.
This should happen after patch 1.05, so patience friends!
In my opinion this game improved, but still I quit. When I tried the game for the second time, I maxed level hoping to start raiding. Sadly, most of the guilds were like "we don't have a spot". Maybe they didn't like Conquerors, go figure. So I was like, what I am going to do? I became a criminal! And since I was in a PvP server, I decided to explore that part of the game. I did like it, however, it takes forever to get out of the "criminal" status. So my conqueror ended up his days as a criminal, but I quit because there was nothing else to do. At least I managed to go stealth in the cities and hit the Serpent tavern for some ERP lol
After the buzz of the big patch I saw more players in the server, but it became a ghost town very fast. And since my toon was a criminal, I spent more time in the wild, maybe saw 1 or 2. Most of the time they were soloing. At this point what are you going to see are current players rolling alts. I knew a guy that right after he maxed his Dark Templar he deleted his toon and re-rolled another Dark Templar, but Aquilonian. *shrugs*
Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong. WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong. WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong. WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?
But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US
Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).
edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?
Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong. WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?
But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US
Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).
edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?
ehhh, you dont understand, MS probably has a MAX of 2million active players world wide, not 75 million....there is not even 75 million mmorpg players for MS to have 75 million people actually playing it.
Look how many people drink coke and eat mcdonalds......does that mean these things are great???? no they are crap. People do what other people do.....its plain and simple. WoW can be crap and have 11.5 million subs. People are not Donkies but they sure as hell are sheep.
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Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong. WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?
But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US
Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).
edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?
ehhh, you dont understand, MS probably has a MAX of 2million active players world wide, not 75 million....there is not even 75 million mmorpg players for MS to have 75 million people actually playing it.
Did you read my edit? more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count.
Max 2 million worldwide? Come on. So the 2 million worldwide users have spent 30 million USD on the >US only< cash shop in 2008? And it''s a free 2 play game, most players don't purchase anything.
Have you been to countries like China or Korea? Have you ever seen how the mmo culture is in those countries? Have you ever seen an mmo launch in those countries, the huge marketing campains with painted buses driving all over the main cities etc...?
2 million worldwide.... even for Korea it's nothing, don't even talk about China.
edit: and don't forget that in many Asian, South amercian (yes maple has brazilian servers), etc... countries there are more people with computers that can't play 3D games than people who can, so 2D games like maple story are the only mmos they can play.
But anyway, back to your main point.... I think that even if we agree to disagree on the numbers, we can agree that we have enough evidence of wow's small market share, even if it is the most successful western mmo (..... oh... wow also has servers in Asia ).
SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play?
The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them.
These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told an mmo, beeing free to play AND Chinese, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.
SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play? The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them. These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told me Perfectworld, beeing free to play, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.
my friend you are the one who needs to open his eyes if you think MS has 50 million active players.
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
So the nazis where right?
wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...
This is a ridiculous argument.
Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.
Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.
for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal
And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
So the nazis where right?
wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...
This is a ridiculous argument.
Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.
Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.
If everyone was like you we would all be drinking coke, eating mcdonalds, watching friends, listening to nickleback and playing WoW. O what a wonderful world that would be!!!
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Free to play sucks, at least if they do offer an item mall with the usual overpowered options you will expect to find in this endless real money sink.
However a model similar to Guild Wars would be nice as it is Pay for New Content. Although there is no reason why they can't charge people for expansions AND charge monthly fees, it would be like shooting their own knees when they can just squeeze people's pocket for both, although EVE and GW don't do that.
And even if you play ONE HOUR PER WEEK, it will be hard to find another entertainment option for the same 15 bucks.
SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play? The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them. These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told me Perfectworld, beeing free to play, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.
my friend you are the one who needs to open his eyes if you think MS has 50 million active players.
You see, actually >my< eyes are open, since I have been to those countries. Instead of making thoughts and having "ideas" out of thin air I have witnessed the situation myself.
But of course the random mmorpg forum posters and armchair specialists who have never seen anything else outside of wow know better.
Even without going there, simple logic shows the numbers reported by the media all over are real. And the cash shop sales numbers only confirm this.
As you said above, you believe that the 30 million USD sales for 2008 for the US (not taking into account the other countries) are in line with 2 million players world wide, knowing most f2p players never purchase anything.
The truth is, what is surprising is that a free to play game (with servers all over the world including huge countries like Brazil, China, etc... - and even more so for a 2D game knowing the popularity of low end computers in those countries) only has 5x more players than a pay to play game. - from this perspective wow is doing very well.
Nothing more needs to be said.
But anyway, there is no need to argue about this as we all know that for the american Joe there is nothing outside of the US
Just look at the cybercafes and internet shops they have around every corner in Korea, China, Thailand, etc... you will start to see how huge the gaming industry is overthere.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that ,its cost less the more hours you get .. so even better value !
... and if any Mmo developers happen across this post ... " I want this payment method in the EU and US right now" !!
lol actually i worked it out wrong, 300 is $27..wops
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The problem with this argument is that it effectively says that the current subscriber base has, is and will continue to pay FC to complete development to the point where the game is enjoyable by an audience the size that FC had hoped the game would appeal to at launch.
Not saying that those who are paying FC to complete dev on their game aren't enjoying playing (though they represent a minority of players who've tried the game), but its still a crappy way to do business.
Oh yeah I forgot about that ,its cost less the more hours you get .. so even better value !
... and if any Mmo developers happen across this post ... " I want this payment method in the EU and US right now" !!
lol actually i worked it out wrong, 300 is $27..wops
Oops ! .. yeah but It is cheaper I think the more hours you get is'nt it ? it is where I get mine from I think .. lol I'll double check later I think .
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
Oh yeah I forgot about that ,its cost less the more hours you get .. so even better value !
... and if any Mmo developers happen across this post ... " I want this payment method in the EU and US right now" !!
lol actually i worked it out wrong, 300 is $27..wops
Oops ! .. yeah but It is cheaper I think the more hours you get is'nt it ? it is where I get mine from I think .. lol I'll double check later I think .
lol, It but very little. like a few cent hehe.
CN-USA is where i buy from
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That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong.
WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.
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That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
If number is the factor then WOW is a better game than UO.
I played AOC since launch but i dont think AOC can get 500K by next year or 2yr from now. I could be wrong, but if you have AOC account go log on and see it yourself. What ppl dont like about AOC is lack of ppl, mostly it is dead. I think they need another merge.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
By your argument, Daniel Steele and John Grisham are the greatest writers that the US has ever produced... they sell more, so they must be the best, right?
Or is it because they're mediocre writers who target the lowest common denominator?
Perhaps more people play WoW because it's easy, mindless fun... and people are sheep, they follow what the crowds are doing.
To me, AOC felt like a single player game where the developers decided half way through to make it in to an MMO. I agree that it should be free to play, but I haven't seen it since month 1. In the very least, those of us who payed 50 bucks for a shell of what was advertised should get some free time to see if the game is any better than it was at launch.
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This I agree with wholeheartedly. I took the plunge, and play, and consider it an awesome game...but others feel burned. They will ONLY return if they can try again with their original characters for free.
This should happen after patch 1.05, so patience friends!
In my opinion this game improved, but still I quit. When I tried the game for the second time, I maxed level hoping to start raiding. Sadly, most of the guilds were like "we don't have a spot". Maybe they didn't like Conquerors, go figure. So I was like, what I am going to do? I became a criminal! And since I was in a PvP server, I decided to explore that part of the game. I did like it, however, it takes forever to get out of the "criminal" status. So my conqueror ended up his days as a criminal, but I quit because there was nothing else to do. At least I managed to go stealth in the cities and hit the Serpent tavern for some ERP lol
After the buzz of the big patch I saw more players in the server, but it became a ghost town very fast. And since my toon was a criminal, I spent more time in the wild, maybe saw 1 or 2. Most of the time they were soloing. At this point what are you going to see are current players rolling alts. I knew a guy that right after he maxed his Dark Templar he deleted his toon and re-rolled another Dark Templar, but Aquilonian. *shrugs*
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
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Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?
But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US
Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).
edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?
Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?
But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US
Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).
edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?
ehhh, you dont understand, MS probably has a MAX of 2million active players world wide, not 75 million....there is not even 75 million mmorpg players for MS to have 75 million people actually playing it.
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Look how many people drink coke and eat mcdonalds......does that mean these things are great???? no they are crap. People do what other people do.....its plain and simple. WoW can be crap and have 11.5 million subs. People are not Donkies but they sure as hell are sheep.
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Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.
Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.
Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.
if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.
If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers
Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?
But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US
Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).
edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?
ehhh, you dont understand, MS probably has a MAX of 2million active players world wide, not 75 million....there is not even 75 million mmorpg players for MS to have 75 million people actually playing it.
Did you read my edit? more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count.
Max 2 million worldwide? Come on. So the 2 million worldwide users have spent 30 million USD on the >US only< cash shop in 2008? And it''s a free 2 play game, most players don't purchase anything.
Have you been to countries like China or Korea? Have you ever seen how the mmo culture is in those countries? Have you ever seen an mmo launch in those countries, the huge marketing campains with painted buses driving all over the main cities etc...?
2 million worldwide.... even for Korea it's nothing, don't even talk about China.
edit: and don't forget that in many Asian, South amercian (yes maple has brazilian servers), etc... countries there are more people with computers that can't play 3D games than people who can, so 2D games like maple story are the only mmos they can play.
But anyway, back to your main point.... I think that even if we agree to disagree on the numbers, we can agree that we have enough evidence of wow's small market share, even if it is the most successful western mmo (..... oh... wow also has servers in Asia
).
SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play?
The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them.
These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told an mmo, beeing free to play AND Chinese, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.
my friend you are the one who needs to open his eyes if you think MS has 50 million active players.
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That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
So the nazis where right?
wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...
This is a ridiculous argument.
Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.
Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.
That is your opinion, Angel.
But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.
WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?
Short answer, Yes.
Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.
So the nazis where right?
wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...
This is a ridiculous argument.
Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.
Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.
If everyone was like you we would all be drinking coke, eating mcdonalds, watching friends, listening to nickleback and playing WoW. O what a wonderful world that would be!!!
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Free to play sucks, at least if they do offer an item mall with the usual overpowered options you will expect to find in this endless real money sink.
However a model similar to Guild Wars would be nice as it is Pay for New Content. Although there is no reason why they can't charge people for expansions AND charge monthly fees, it would be like shooting their own knees when they can just squeeze people's pocket for both, although EVE and GW don't do that.
And even if you play ONE HOUR PER WEEK, it will be hard to find another entertainment option for the same 15 bucks.
my friend you are the one who needs to open his eyes if you think MS has 50 million active players.
You see, actually >my< eyes are open, since I have been to those countries. Instead of making thoughts and having "ideas" out of thin air I have witnessed the situation myself.
But of course the random mmorpg forum posters and armchair specialists who have never seen anything else outside of wow know better.
Even without going there, simple logic shows the numbers reported by the media all over are real. And the cash shop sales numbers only confirm this.
As you said above, you believe that the 30 million USD sales for 2008 for the US (not taking into account the other countries) are in line with 2 million players world wide, knowing most f2p players never purchase anything.
The truth is, what is surprising is that a free to play game (with servers all over the world including huge countries like Brazil, China, etc... - and even more so for a 2D game knowing the popularity of low end computers in those countries) only has 5x more players than a pay to play game. - from this perspective wow is doing very well.
Nothing more needs to be said.
But anyway, there is no need to argue about this as we all know that for the american Joe there is nothing outside of the US
Just look at the cybercafes and internet shops they have around every corner in Korea, China, Thailand, etc... you will start to see how huge the gaming industry is overthere.