Well all hate for $OE aside for the moment, $50 bucks is a pretty steep fee to transfer a character for any game.
But isn't part of $50 part of a character recovery fee, not just the transfer? Either way you look at it, SoE as usual, did it wrong. In the end people complaining can still get their characters back, but odds are they wasn't interested in the first place. We could drag this on forever, but that fact is people were warned, and usually when SoE warns you about something like this, it's probably best to consider it, prepare for the worse, take the free offer. Did people actually believe once all these servers became empty SoE was going to keep them around? LOL, logic, so overrated.
I don't get the point of this thread, could somebody please explain. IS there any particular reason this is a surprise? Do you ever have any intentions in playing SWG , err, Left 4 WoW Galaxies again? If you did you were probably atleast checking in on it every now and then. Sometimes I think you guys get off on staying pissed, and pointing out every flaw with SoE. SoE sucks, yup, can we move on now.
This was exactly my point on a nearly identical thread a few weeks ago. *
Nobody who is not now playing SWG is going to return to the game.
All current players know what is expected and what they need to do.
Nobody is going to return to an empty server and find they have to pay $50 bucks to transfer.
Not nobody. Not no how.
I would think you all would be happy with this knowledge. Instead you continue to stoke faux outrage. That is truly sad.
* And ArchAngel, don't even pretend you're shocked. You were part of that discussion thread. You're better than this.
Lol, hey Tman, I never mind you challenging me; you always do it well. Anyways, I'm not pretending to be surprised. I'm merely pointing out that SOE emails gave people 6 days notice of the closures, not several months as someone stated.
I believe the several months would refer to the free transfer options. However, when these were inititated there was no mention of server closures. That announcement came much later and was a great surprise to many.
In fact, not too long ago, SOE's best representative on these forums said that the transfer from servers were growing, and would soon be home to large populations once more.
Am I surprised? No, certainly not; but others were. They told us so themselves. Even so, surprise is a secondary issue. What really makes me shake my head is the 50 dollar fee--beginning today--to have people transfer from a server that the MMO company has closed down.
The game's been through so much change, the population's dwindling, and people that are thinking of returning now are going to get hit with an additional 50 dollar charge. Does that really make a lot of sense if you want your game to grow or even survive? That's my main question.
but either you are just trolling or are a horrible friend for not letting your "friend" know i am betting on the first
I'm not really sure what you're responding to miagisan. I can only assume you've misread my thread here, and that you're commenting on a point I wasn't actually making.
People didn't receive nearly a year's warning (now as someone has suggested) about server closures. They may have heard about the free transfer service nearly that long ago, but there was no mention of closures at that time. In fact, people were saying quite the opposite, that there were no plans to close the transfer from servers, and that they were in fact growing again.
People that follow SWG closely on the official (or other) forums would have received a few weeks notice of the closures, but this took many of them by surprise, since it seemed to be a different message than the one they received when the free transfer program was initiated.
People that do not follow SWG closely may have received emails from SOE giving them 6 days notice of the closures. Am I surprised by this? Of course not; and I never claimed to be. When I posed the question about the transfer fee, I was attempting to confirm whether or not SOE actually followed through with this. I'm also suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Even so, like I told Tman, warning people that they're going to have to pay for a transfer from a dead server is a secondary issue. My main point would be, "Why charge them at all?"
P.S. For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work or volunteer for SOE, or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server? If it's the latter, why do you feel so strongly that gamers should pay to move a character off of a server that has been closed down?
but either you are just trolling or are a horrible friend for not letting your "friend" know i am betting on the first
I'm not really sure what you're responding to miagisan. I can only assume you've misread my thread here, and that you're commenting on a point I wasn't actually making.
People didn't receive nearly a year's warning (now as someone has suggested) about server closures. They may have heard about the free transfer service nearly that long ago, but there was no mention of closures at that time. In fact, people were saying quite the opposite, that there were no plans to close the transfer from servers, and that they were in fact growing.
People that follow SWG closely on the official (or other) forums would have received a few weeks notice of the closures, but this took many of them by surprise, since it seemed to be a different message than the one they received when the free transfer program was initiated.
People that do not follow SWG closely may have received emails from SOE giving them 6 days notice of the closures. Am I surprised by this? Of course not; and I never claimed to be. I'm suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Even so, like I told Tman, warning people that they're going to have to pay for a transfer from a dead server is a secondary issue. My main point would be, "Why charge them at all?"
right.
This is a very shady move by anyones standard... I dont "keep up" with or play WOW anymore but if ever they closed down Lightninghoof I would expect that they would place my Wizzy somewhere- Leaving them in limbo and wanting them to pat $50 to get on a live server IF they reactivate their account is tacky and dumb.
$OE constantly makes tacky and dumb choices (we all know this) but that doesnt make it okay.
This was exactly my point on a nearly identical thread a few weeks ago. * Nobody who is not now playing SWG is going to return to the game. All current players know what is expected and what they need to do. Nobody is going to return to an empty server and find they have to pay $50 bucks to transfer. Not nobody. Not no how. I would think you all would be happy with this knowledge. Instead you continue to stoke faux outrage. That is truly sad. * And ArchAngel, don't even pretend you're shocked. You were part of that discussion thread. You're better than this.
I had the feeling the intentions of this thread was to spark more anger towards SoE, at the same time I had hope it was for a more informative reason. Being a pre-cu player, I know what it feels like to have the game you put time and effort into, building communities and having that stripped away is never easy to put up with. But, what is healthy/productive about dragging up problems about the game anymore? Sure I poke fun at it, "Left 4 WoW Galaxies", but I see it more as comedy, I'm not taking anything serious. But damn guys, you knew this a few weeks back, if you had intentions of returning, it was not to play on an empty server, let's take the server removal out of the picture, do you see yourself basically playing alone? Considering SWG biggest and in my opinion, only strong point, community, I think the transfer would have been taken if you had intentions in playing again.
I guess people can easily read intentions into something that aren't really there. Just to clarify, I have no interest in manipulating other people's emotions. Maybe people think I'm doing that because that's their cup of tea, or simply what they're used to dealing with, unfortunately.
I had two motivations for initiating this thread:
1) To clarify if SOE did indeed follow through with charging people for transfers off of dead servers. In light of negative feedback, I wondered if they may have relented. Wishful thinking I know lol.
2) If they did indeed follow through with this, I'm most definitely questioning the logic of charging returning players a rather steep fee, imo, to move their characters off of a server that has been closed down due to population problems.
Those looking for more nefarious schemes will have to continue the quest elsewhere, I'm afraid. For those unsure of my motivations, I hope this clarifies.
but either you are just trolling or are a horrible friend for not letting your "friend" know i am betting on the first
I'm not really sure what you're responding to miagisan. I can only assume you've misread my thread here, and that you're commenting on a point I wasn't actually making.
People didn't receive nearly a year's warning (now as someone has suggested) about server closures. They may have heard about the free transfer service nearly that long ago, but there was no mention of closures at that time. In fact, people were saying quite the opposite, that there were no plans to close the transfer from servers, and that they were in fact growing.
People that follow SWG closely on the official (or other) forums would have received a few weeks notice of the closures, but this took many of them by surprise, since it seemed to be a different message than the one they received when the free transfer program was initiated.
People that do not follow SWG closely may have received emails from SOE giving them 6 days notice of the closures. Am I surprised by this? Of course not; and I never claimed to be. I'm suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Even so, like I told Tman, warning people that they're going to have to pay for a transfer from a dead server is a secondary issue. My main point would be, "Why charge them at all?"
right.
This is a very shady move by anyones standard... I dont "keep up" with or play WOW anymore but if ever they closed down Lightninghoof I would expect that they would place my Wizzy somewhere- Leaving them in limbo and wanting them to pat $50 to get on a live server IF they reactivate their account is tacky and dumb.
$OE constantly makes tacky and dumb choices (we all know this) but that doesnt make it okay.
Ok, so I'm not the only one that questions the logic of going ahead with this. Thanks for the comment. It just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I think some people might come back to the game at some point to check it out, get hit with the transfer sticker shock, and just walk away. That doesn't seem like a good way to grow or even maintain an MMO imo.
P.S. For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE, or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server? If it's the latter, why do you feel so strongly that gamers should pay to move a character off of a server that has been closed down?
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
I don't get the point of this thread, could somebody please explain. IS there any particular reason this is a surprise? Do you ever have any intentions in playing SWG , err, Left 4 WoW Galaxies again? If you did you were probably atleast checking in on it every now and then. Sometimes I think you guys get off on staying pissed, and pointing out every flaw with SoE. SoE sucks, yup, can we move on now.
I'll explain. It's lame as hell. They save the data. They charge you 15 to resub. That's plenty. As a consumer and a gamer you can agree or disagree. You can help keep this kinda shit out of the Industry, or not.
But of coarse you werent really asking those questions now were ya? You wouldnt have supplied your own (original btw) answer. You guys? Move on? Tsk, Tsk.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I don't get the point of this thread, could somebody please explain. IS there any particular reason this is a surprise? Do you ever have any intentions in playing SWG , err, Left 4 WoW Galaxies again? If you did you were probably atleast checking in on it every now and then. Sometimes I think you guys get off on staying pissed, and pointing out every flaw with SoE. SoE sucks, yup, can we move on now.
I'll explain. It's lame as hell. They save the data. They charge you 15 to resub. That's plenty. As a consumer and a gamer you can agree or disagree. You can help keep this kinda shit out of the Industry, or not.
But of coarse you werent really asking those questions now were ya? You wouldnt have supplied your own (original btw) answer. You guys? Move on? Tsk, Tsk.
Nah, I was not asking the questions. But in reality was the OP? Naaaah. Didn't think so. See we can play this in more then one way. We can admit SoE is screwed up, old news is old news. Or we can continue dragging up every problem they bring upon themselves and continue being upset staying in this emotional limbo. Take your pick.
While they did give people a long period, what about someone that was unable to play or anything for quite some time, ya know. Real life came into play and they were gone for a year from anything really related to the game. They come back, want to play with the condensed servers since it will mean more population density and boom, 50 bucks or they start all over.
While they did give people a long period, what about someone that was unable to play or anything for quite some time, ya know. Real life came into play and they were gone for a year from anything really related to the game. They come back, want to play with the condensed servers since it will mean more population density and boom, 50 bucks or they start all over. 50 bucks....Wow charges 25 bucks...YESH.
WoW charges 25 bucks for the transfer. SoE charges for "holding" your character, retrieving and then xferring. Screwed up I know, surprising? Not a bit.
When I posed the question about the transfer fee, I was attempting to confirm whether or not SOE actually followed through with this. I'm also suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Okay, I understand your point, but I still think this is argument for argument's sake. "What if God and Superman had a fight?"
If you can point to someone who legitimately returned to SWG, did not know about the server closings, and SOE did charge them $50 to recover their character, that would be different. OR if you can point to a definative SOE posting that states they will charge a returning player $50 to recover their character from a closed server, I'll concede the issue (A statement that "free transfers" expire on a certain date does not count. That's aimed at existing players dragging their feet, not returning players.) Untill then, this is at best conjecture. Faux outrage
There are plenty of real reasons to be angry at SOE. It is pointless to invent things to be pissed about.
I don't get the point of this thread, could somebody please explain. IS there any particular reason this is a surprise? Do you ever have any intentions in playing SWG , err, Left 4 WoW Galaxies again? If you did you were probably atleast checking in on it every now and then. Sometimes I think you guys get off on staying pissed, and pointing out every flaw with SoE. SoE sucks, yup, can we move on now.
I'll explain. It's lame as hell. They save the data. They charge you 15 to resub. That's plenty. As a consumer and a gamer you can agree or disagree. You can help keep this kinda shit out of the Industry, or not.
But of coarse you werent really asking those questions now were ya? You wouldnt have supplied your own (original btw) answer. You guys? Move on? Tsk, Tsk.
Nah, I was not asking the questions. But in reality was the OP? Naaaah. Didn't think so. See we can play this in more then one way. We can admit SoE is screwed up, old news is old news. Or we can continue dragging up every problem they bring upon themselves and continue being upset staying in this emotional limbo. Take your pick.
Greed, your 2 options on how people can play this doesnt work here. What are you doing exactly?
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Greed, your 2 options on how people can play this doesnt work here. What are you doing exactly?
Apparently option two works here, quite well. I have to have a reason for being here? Well if you must know.
"A place for disgruntled former and current SWG players to talk about the game that was and the game that now is, as well as for newcomers who are curious about the issues surrounding the changes that this game has undergone. *Note, MMORPG.com RoC will still be enforced. "
I may not be disgruntled, but I'm indeed a former player. I'm giving my opinion, is it not settling well with you? Or what? Let me simplify my opinion. Paying $50 to transfer from a removed server, insane. SoEs ongoing methods of how to maintain SWG and it's services, horrible. People constantly dragging up old news, and/or pretending to be shocked at purely normal SoE behavior, getting old. You say you would like to keep shit like this out of the industry, so would I, apparently we don't have to do that, SoE has already set that example. SoE is the only company to screw me over when it comes to online gaming. So I would say, bringing things like this up to keep it out of the industry, was already done.
Let's be realistic about this, you, me, every vet to stand up to SoE did so with our wallet. People a few years ago would bring up problems with their actions, and rightfully so. Grats, SoE has been proven to be incompetent morons.
Option one, if you want me to go into depth. Drop the act, SoE is bad, feel free to support their future games. It just so happens, my opinion is that people are dwelling on the past, and this prevents them from effectively moving on. Say what you want, but dragging up problem after problem of a game you have no, zero, never have intentions in playing is pretty pathetic. So let's reverse the question. What are you doing here? What are you accomplishing, what purpose is there in beating a dead horse. I'll respect your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And when it comes to something like this, I find obsessing over a game you literally hate "now" a bit crazy.
Also, please understand, I'm not against discussion, I'm against this board being full of nothing but hate and anger. Reminisce, remember the good, forget the bad. The game was good, not great or perfect, but it was certainly some peoples favorite game of all time. But I have to disagree on the constant bashing on this game, I see it as nothing more then childish and pointless. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise, but at this point, I don't think any of you have a justifiable reason to convince me otherwise.
P.S. For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE, or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server? If it's the latter, why do you feel so strongly that gamers should pay to move a character off of a server that has been closed down?
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
Actually, I said, "or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server?" I never accused everyone of being schills for SOE.
Also, I thought you might be confused about my motives for posting here, so I attempted to clarify. None of that was designed to offend you.
Also, I've clarified twice now that I had no intention of pretending I was surprised. I'm asking if SOE decided to follow through on their plans to begin charging people for server transfers, beginning today.
Anyone accusing me of pretending surprise is mind-reading or has simply read something into my question that isn't really there.
they gave you weeks to transfer for free, quit your bitching
Several months, actually.
I received an email giving me 6 days notice, in total, of the upcoming server closures. I believe the closures were announced on the forums only a few weeks ago, much to many people's surprise, since they said they had no plans to close the "transfer from" servers.
If you don't read the official forums, and you didn't check your email spam for the last 6 days, you're in for a nasty surprise if you log into one of the closed servers.
Even with 6 days notice, or a few weeks on the forums, why charge a fee to move off of a server they are closing down? Really?
First of all, there was never any guarantee that characters would be available when people came back after an extended period of time. I think the guaranteed time limit was something like 3 months. Secondly, 99% of people that had or have plans to return already have. The pool of former players willing to come back is all but dried up, so very few people would miss out in transferring their characters anyway. Finally, like others have said, theres been plenty of warning given. Call me crazy, but giving people weeks, if not months, notice is plenty and fair.
I can't stand soe as much as the next guy, but to me this is a non-issue. $50 is a lot of money to move a character but it is in line with the rest of the mmo companies for performing similar services.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
P.S. For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE, or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server? If it's the latter, why do you feel so strongly that gamers should pay to move a character off of a server that has been closed down?
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
Actually, I said, "or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server?" I never accused everyone of being schills for SOE.
Also, I thought you might be confused about my motives for posting here, so I attempted to clarify. None of that was designed to offend you.
Also, I've clarified twice now that I had no intention of pretending I was surprised. I'm asking if SOE decided to follow through on their plans to begin charging people for server transfers, beginning today.
Anyone accusing me of pretending surprise is mind-reading or has simply read something into my question that isn't really there.
Ok, let's say this thread wasn't to get a reaction out of people. What else to you expect from the SoE the awesome? SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want.
Only reason I make this accusation is because seriously, is this REALLY a surprise? Really? Even a bit?
"For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE"
If not a shill, then what? A developer? Please don't say Senate, I don't think anybody on this board is that much of a tool, well, not most of them.
I'm going to go ahead and say, fine, you wasn't pretending. But, I'll stick to "this shouldn't be a surprise". It's SoE, they capitalize on ignorance.
When I posed the question about the transfer fee, I was attempting to confirm whether or not SOE actually followed through with this. I'm also suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Okay, I understand your point, but I still think this is argument for argument's sake. "What if God and Superman had a fight?"
If you can point to someone who legitimately returned to SWG, did not know about the server closings, and SOE did charge them $50 to recover their character, that would be different. OR if you can point to a definative SOE posting that states they will charge a returning player $50 to recover their character from a closed server, I'll concede the issue (A statement that "free transfers" expire on a certain date does not count. That's aimed at existing players dragging their feet, not returning players.) Untill then, this is at best conjecture. Faux outrage
There are plenty of real reasons to be angry at SOE. It is pointless to invent things to be pissed about.
Ok Tman, this for me is a worthwhile discussion. At least with you I can clarify my meaning, and be taken at face value. Here's the information a friend shared with me on another forum:
"Beginning October 16th, 2009 at 12:01 AM PT you will be able to contact Customer Support and for the standard Character Transfer fee of $50.00 you will be able to schedule a transfer for your character, eligible structures and inventory."
Since it's now October 16, or rather it was when I started this thread, I simply asked if SOE had indeed followed through with this. That was my intent at least. I didn't want to accuse them of something if they had decided (again) to extend the free transfer service.
I quickly learned, from the first response, that there is indeed now a charge of 50 dollars to move a character off of closed server. I wouldn't call my response outrage, or faux outrage. I'm really not surprised or angered by this move. In my view, it's actually fairlly consistent with SOE's way of doing business. I am, however, most definitely questioning the logic of this move. In my opinion, it only discourages people from rejoining the game from this point forward if they are on one of the closed servers.
Does that make sense?
P.S. I may edit the title for clarity. I don't know if I was unclear or if people have a hard time reading the thread objectively. I know people have a lot of intense feelings about the game, and that can get in the way of effective communication I think.
SOE gave months and months of free server moves far back as january sending e-mails and website notifying players of this. those who did not act have no one to blame but them selves. almost a year in time to move SOE gave plenty warning so please don't QQ and blame SOE for this one i admit 99.9% mistakes where SOE fault in the past but not this folks.
P.S. For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE, or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server? If it's the latter, why do you feel so strongly that gamers should pay to move a character off of a server that has been closed down?
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
Actually, I said, "or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server?" I never accused everyone of being schills for SOE.
Also, I thought you might be confused about my motives for posting here, so I attempted to clarify. None of that was designed to offend you.
Also, I've clarified twice now that I had no intention of pretending I was surprised. I'm asking if SOE decided to follow through on their plans to begin charging people for server transfers, beginning today.
Anyone accusing me of pretending surprise is mind-reading or has simply read something into my question that isn't really there.
Ok, let's say this thread wasn't to get a reaction out of people. What else to you expect from the SoE the awesome? SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want.
Only reason I make this accusation is because seriously, is this REALLY a surprise? Really? Even a bit?
"For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE"
If not a shill, then what? A developer? Please don't say Senate, I don't think anybody on this board is that much of a tool, well, not most of them.
I'm going to go ahead and say, fine, you wasn't pretending. But, I'll stick to "this shouldn't be a surprise". It's SoE, they capitalize on ignorance.
Thanks, I think we're understanding each other. I like your comment: "SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want." I agree that a lot of people won't be surprised. Some might get a nasty shock, but many will probably just say, "that's SOE for ya." You're right.
Still, while part of me has come to expect something like this, another part of me has a hard time grasping the logic. At this point I think I may never understand why SOE does what SOE does. I may not be surprised, but I'll admit to feeling confused lol.
Thanks, I think we're understanding each other. I like your comment: "SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want." I agree that a lot of people won't be surprised. Some might get a nasty shock, but many will probably just say, "that's SOE for ya." You're right. Still, while part of me has come to expect something like this, another part of me has a hard time grasping the logic.
The shock is nothing more then disgust. Ressubed a few months ago, first thing to welcome me, players with wings. I was disgusted, at the same time I couldn't stop laughing. SoE is desprate to appeal to everybody, I liked my Star Wars universe in 04, it was nice, the people were down to earth, the game had a decent learning curve and it seemed to represent the Star Wars universe in its own way.
The game since then has been change, drastically, and I have accepted this. Not because I want to, but because I have to. This board seems to be full of so much hatred, it's not the same community I remember. Ultimatly, SoE has changed not just themselves, but every vet to have quit SWG. The question is, why, it doesn't have to be this way. There are plenty games out there to be explored, new communities to encounter, and hopefully many years of enjoyment for everybody.
Call me selfish, I accept the fact that SoE is nothing more then a comedy. I find more enjoyment in sitting back and watching SWG turn into the circus it is today. The community there now isn't even the same, I have asked what is the reason to play SWG, and almost every single current player said "collections".
Back on track, done ranting. Don't try and grasp SoEs logic, nothing there.
SOE gave months and months of free server moves far back as january sending e-mails and website notifying players of this. those who did not act have no one to blame but them selves. almost a year in time to move SOE gave plenty warning so please don't QQ and blame SOE for this one i admit 99.9% mistakes where SOE fault in the past but not this folks.
I would agree with you, if SOE told people back then that they would be closing the transfer from servers. I believe, however, that players were told the opposite. It's one thing to tell people they have the option of a free transfer. It's an entirely different message to tell them that their current server will be closing down. The closure message was most definitely not shared back in January.
In fact, as I've indicated earlier in the thread, posts plugging the game have even recently claimed that the transfer from servers were growing and would soon be home to large populations once more.
The first I heard anything about the closures through the grape-vine was probably in late September. I'm guessing, so if I'm off by a few days, please don't accuse me of all kinds of nastiness lol. The first official notice I received from SOE came on October 9th. I'm just telling it like it is.
My initial question still stands: If SOE wants to maintain their game, why hit people with a 50 dollar fee from this point forward, if they login to a closed server? How is that a good idea?
Thanks, I think we're understanding each other. I like your comment: "SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want." I agree that a lot of people won't be surprised. Some might get a nasty shock, but many will probably just say, "that's SOE for ya." You're right. Still, while part of me has come to expect something like this, another part of me has a hard time grasping the logic.
The shock is nothing more then disgust. Ressubed a few months ago, first thing to welcome me, players with wings. I was disgusted, at the same time I couldn't stop laughing. SoE is desprate to appeal to everybody, I liked my Star Wars universe in 04, it was nice, the people were down to earth, the game had a decent learning curve and it seemed to represent the Star Wars universe in its own way.
The game since then has been change, drastically, and I have accepted this. Not because I want to, but because I have to. This board seems to be full of so much hatred, it's not the same community I remember. Ultimatly, SoE has changed not just themselves, but every vet to have quit SWG. The question is, why, it doesn't have to be this way. There are plenty games out there to be explored, new communities to encounter, and hopefully many years of enjoyment for everybody.
Call me selfish, I accept the fact that SoE is nothing more then a comedy. I find more enjoyment in sitting back and watching SWG turn into the circus it is today. The community there now isn't even the same, I have asked what is the reason to play SWG, and almost every single current player said "collections".
Back on track, done ranting. Don't try and grasp SoEs logic, nothing there.
Lol, I think you may be giving me some helpful advice, thanks. You may also have answered my main question: "How is this logical?" You're response: "It ain't." Looking for logic where it doesn't seem to exist, might just give me a headache. Good chatting with you.
Whether they gave an open window for free transfers or not is irrelevant when it comes to them closing servers for their community; they should've allow people to pick their servers for free, and then manually merge the servers for those who didn't meet the deadline and not give them a choice as to where to go.
People complaing that others are bitching about the fee? It is unfair to begin with, as those who didn't have their homes destroyed didn't have to worry in the first place. It's a sort of favoritism that should not be done in a P2P online service -- more so accurately it was like a lotto system. Some don't have to worry, others do, and those who were screwed both times now have to pay a $50 charge.
Poor morality by a subpar gaming company (not the electronics departments) that doesn't seem to know how to run online businesses.
This is the type of thing I'd boycott if I had a SWG character; they made too many bad decisions in the past from the various articles and posts I've read. It reminds me of the whole Ultima Online fiasco where they started to sell advanced characters, which pissed most of the people off.
What's even more laughable is that they pull this off when the new StarWars game by a company that knows what they're doing is poised to come out within the next year or so.
Greed, your 2 options on how people can play this doesnt work here. What are you doing exactly?
Apparently option two works here, quite well. I have to have a reason for being here? Well if you must know.
"A place for disgruntled former and current SWG players to talk about the game that was and the game that now is, as well as for newcomers who are curious about the issues surrounding the changes that this game has undergone. *Note, MMORPG.com RoC will still be enforced. "
I may not be disgruntled, but I'm indeed a former player. I'm giving my opinion, is it not settling well with you? Or what? Let me simplify my opinion. Paying $50 to transfer from a removed server, insane. SoEs ongoing methods of how to maintain SWG and it's services, horrible. People constantly dragging up old news, and/or pretending to be shocked at purely normal SoE behavior, getting old. You say you would like to keep shit like this out of the industry, so would I, apparently we don't have to do that, SoE has already set that example. SoE is the only company to screw me over when it comes to online gaming. So I would say, bringing things like this up to keep it out of the industry, was already done.
Let's be realistic about this, you, me, every vet to stand up to SoE did so with our wallet. People a few years ago would bring up problems with their actions, and rightfully so. Grats, SoE has been proven to be incompetent morons.
Option one, if you want me to go into depth. Drop the act, SoE is bad, feel free to support their future games. It just so happens, my opinion is that people are dwelling on the past, and this prevents them from effectively moving on. Say what you want, but dragging up problem after problem of a game you have no, zero, never have intentions in playing is pretty pathetic. So let's reverse the question. What are you doing here? What are you accomplishing, what purpose is there in beating a dead horse. I'll respect your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And when it comes to something like this, I find obsessing over a game you literally hate "now" a bit crazy.
Also, please understand, I'm not against discussion, I'm against this board being full of nothing but hate and anger. Reminisce, remember the good, forget the bad. The game was good, not great or perfect, but it was certainly some peoples favorite game of all time. But I have to disagree on the constant bashing on this game, I see it as nothing more then childish and pointless. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise, but at this point, I don't think any of you have a justifiable reason to convince me otherwise.
Hard to comment on anything as it's all based upon hate,anger, the usual. I have no interest in that, anymore than you have any interest in actually understanding. I was asking what are you doing, not what are you doing here. Too late now so nevermind.
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But isn't part of $50 part of a character recovery fee, not just the transfer? Either way you look at it, SoE as usual, did it wrong. In the end people complaining can still get their characters back, but odds are they wasn't interested in the first place. We could drag this on forever, but that fact is people were warned, and usually when SoE warns you about something like this, it's probably best to consider it, prepare for the worse, take the free offer. Did people actually believe once all these servers became empty SoE was going to keep them around? LOL, logic, so overrated.
This was exactly my point on a nearly identical thread a few weeks ago. *
Nobody who is not now playing SWG is going to return to the game.
All current players know what is expected and what they need to do.
Nobody is going to return to an empty server and find they have to pay $50 bucks to transfer.
Not nobody. Not no how.
I would think you all would be happy with this knowledge. Instead you continue to stoke faux outrage. That is truly sad.
* And ArchAngel, don't even pretend you're shocked. You were part of that discussion thread. You're better than this.
Lol, hey Tman, I never mind you challenging me; you always do it well. Anyways, I'm not pretending to be surprised. I'm merely pointing out that SOE emails gave people 6 days notice of the closures, not several months as someone stated.
I believe the several months would refer to the free transfer options. However, when these were inititated there was no mention of server closures. That announcement came much later and was a great surprise to many.
In fact, not too long ago, SOE's best representative on these forums said that the transfer from servers were growing, and would soon be home to large populations once more.
Am I surprised? No, certainly not; but others were. They told us so themselves. Even so, surprise is a secondary issue. What really makes me shake my head is the 50 dollar fee--beginning today--to have people transfer from a server that the MMO company has closed down.
The game's been through so much change, the population's dwindling, and people that are thinking of returning now are going to get hit with an additional 50 dollar charge. Does that really make a lot of sense if you want your game to grow or even survive? That's my main question.
I'm not really sure what you're responding to miagisan. I can only assume you've misread my thread here, and that you're commenting on a point I wasn't actually making.
People didn't receive nearly a year's warning (now as someone has suggested) about server closures. They may have heard about the free transfer service nearly that long ago, but there was no mention of closures at that time. In fact, people were saying quite the opposite, that there were no plans to close the transfer from servers, and that they were in fact growing again.
People that follow SWG closely on the official (or other) forums would have received a few weeks notice of the closures, but this took many of them by surprise, since it seemed to be a different message than the one they received when the free transfer program was initiated.
People that do not follow SWG closely may have received emails from SOE giving them 6 days notice of the closures. Am I surprised by this? Of course not; and I never claimed to be. When I posed the question about the transfer fee, I was attempting to confirm whether or not SOE actually followed through with this. I'm also suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Even so, like I told Tman, warning people that they're going to have to pay for a transfer from a dead server is a secondary issue. My main point would be, "Why charge them at all?"
P.S. For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work or volunteer for SOE, or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server? If it's the latter, why do you feel so strongly that gamers should pay to move a character off of a server that has been closed down?
I'm not really sure what you're responding to miagisan. I can only assume you've misread my thread here, and that you're commenting on a point I wasn't actually making.
People didn't receive nearly a year's warning (now as someone has suggested) about server closures. They may have heard about the free transfer service nearly that long ago, but there was no mention of closures at that time. In fact, people were saying quite the opposite, that there were no plans to close the transfer from servers, and that they were in fact growing.
People that follow SWG closely on the official (or other) forums would have received a few weeks notice of the closures, but this took many of them by surprise, since it seemed to be a different message than the one they received when the free transfer program was initiated.
People that do not follow SWG closely may have received emails from SOE giving them 6 days notice of the closures. Am I surprised by this? Of course not; and I never claimed to be. I'm suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Even so, like I told Tman, warning people that they're going to have to pay for a transfer from a dead server is a secondary issue. My main point would be, "Why charge them at all?"
right.
This is a very shady move by anyones standard... I dont "keep up" with or play WOW anymore but if ever they closed down Lightninghoof I would expect that they would place my Wizzy somewhere- Leaving them in limbo and wanting them to pat $50 to get on a live server IF they reactivate their account is tacky and dumb.
$OE constantly makes tacky and dumb choices (we all know this) but that doesnt make it okay.
I had the feeling the intentions of this thread was to spark more anger towards SoE, at the same time I had hope it was for a more informative reason. Being a pre-cu player, I know what it feels like to have the game you put time and effort into, building communities and having that stripped away is never easy to put up with. But, what is healthy/productive about dragging up problems about the game anymore? Sure I poke fun at it, "Left 4 WoW Galaxies", but I see it more as comedy, I'm not taking anything serious. But damn guys, you knew this a few weeks back, if you had intentions of returning, it was not to play on an empty server, let's take the server removal out of the picture, do you see yourself basically playing alone? Considering SWG biggest and in my opinion, only strong point, community, I think the transfer would have been taken if you had intentions in playing again.
I guess people can easily read intentions into something that aren't really there. Just to clarify, I have no interest in manipulating other people's emotions. Maybe people think I'm doing that because that's their cup of tea, or simply what they're used to dealing with, unfortunately.
I had two motivations for initiating this thread:
1) To clarify if SOE did indeed follow through with charging people for transfers off of dead servers. In light of negative feedback, I wondered if they may have relented. Wishful thinking I know lol.
2) If they did indeed follow through with this, I'm most definitely questioning the logic of charging returning players a rather steep fee, imo, to move their characters off of a server that has been closed down due to population problems.
Those looking for more nefarious schemes will have to continue the quest elsewhere, I'm afraid. For those unsure of my motivations, I hope this clarifies.
I'm not really sure what you're responding to miagisan. I can only assume you've misread my thread here, and that you're commenting on a point I wasn't actually making.
People didn't receive nearly a year's warning (now as someone has suggested) about server closures. They may have heard about the free transfer service nearly that long ago, but there was no mention of closures at that time. In fact, people were saying quite the opposite, that there were no plans to close the transfer from servers, and that they were in fact growing.
People that follow SWG closely on the official (or other) forums would have received a few weeks notice of the closures, but this took many of them by surprise, since it seemed to be a different message than the one they received when the free transfer program was initiated.
People that do not follow SWG closely may have received emails from SOE giving them 6 days notice of the closures. Am I surprised by this? Of course not; and I never claimed to be. I'm suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Even so, like I told Tman, warning people that they're going to have to pay for a transfer from a dead server is a secondary issue. My main point would be, "Why charge them at all?"
right.
This is a very shady move by anyones standard... I dont "keep up" with or play WOW anymore but if ever they closed down Lightninghoof I would expect that they would place my Wizzy somewhere- Leaving them in limbo and wanting them to pat $50 to get on a live server IF they reactivate their account is tacky and dumb.
$OE constantly makes tacky and dumb choices (we all know this) but that doesnt make it okay.
Ok, so I'm not the only one that questions the logic of going ahead with this. Thanks for the comment. It just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I think some people might come back to the game at some point to check it out, get hit with the transfer sticker shock, and just walk away. That doesn't seem like a good way to grow or even maintain an MMO imo.
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
I'll explain. It's lame as hell. They save the data. They charge you 15 to resub. That's plenty. As a consumer and a gamer you can agree or disagree. You can help keep this kinda shit out of the Industry, or not.
But of coarse you werent really asking those questions now were ya? You wouldnt have supplied your own (original btw) answer. You guys? Move on? Tsk, Tsk.
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I'll explain. It's lame as hell. They save the data. They charge you 15 to resub. That's plenty. As a consumer and a gamer you can agree or disagree. You can help keep this kinda shit out of the Industry, or not.
But of coarse you werent really asking those questions now were ya? You wouldnt have supplied your own (original btw) answer. You guys? Move on? Tsk, Tsk.
Nah, I was not asking the questions. But in reality was the OP? Naaaah. Didn't think so. See we can play this in more then one way. We can admit SoE is screwed up, old news is old news. Or we can continue dragging up every problem they bring upon themselves and continue being upset staying in this emotional limbo. Take your pick.
While they did give people a long period, what about someone that was unable to play or anything for quite some time, ya know. Real life came into play and they were gone for a year from anything really related to the game. They come back, want to play with the condensed servers since it will mean more population density and boom, 50 bucks or they start all over.
50 bucks....Wow charges 25 bucks...YESH.
WoW charges 25 bucks for the transfer. SoE charges for "holding" your character, retrieving and then xferring. Screwed up I know, surprising? Not a bit.
When I posed the question about the transfer fee, I was attempting to confirm whether or not SOE actually followed through with this. I'm also suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Okay, I understand your point, but I still think this is argument for argument's sake. "What if God and Superman had a fight?"
If you can point to someone who legitimately returned to SWG, did not know about the server closings, and SOE did charge them $50 to recover their character, that would be different. OR if you can point to a definative SOE posting that states they will charge a returning player $50 to recover their character from a closed server, I'll concede the issue (A statement that "free transfers" expire on a certain date does not count. That's aimed at existing players dragging their feet, not returning players.) Untill then, this is at best conjecture. Faux outrage
There are plenty of real reasons to be angry at SOE. It is pointless to invent things to be pissed about.
I'll explain. It's lame as hell. They save the data. They charge you 15 to resub. That's plenty. As a consumer and a gamer you can agree or disagree. You can help keep this kinda shit out of the Industry, or not.
But of coarse you werent really asking those questions now were ya? You wouldnt have supplied your own (original btw) answer. You guys? Move on? Tsk, Tsk.
Nah, I was not asking the questions. But in reality was the OP? Naaaah. Didn't think so. See we can play this in more then one way. We can admit SoE is screwed up, old news is old news. Or we can continue dragging up every problem they bring upon themselves and continue being upset staying in this emotional limbo. Take your pick.
Greed, your 2 options on how people can play this doesnt work here. What are you doing exactly?
See you in the dream..
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Apparently option two works here, quite well. I have to have a reason for being here? Well if you must know.
"A place for disgruntled former and current SWG players to talk about the game that was and the game that now is, as well as for newcomers who are curious about the issues surrounding the changes that this game has undergone. *Note, MMORPG.com RoC will still be enforced. "
I may not be disgruntled, but I'm indeed a former player. I'm giving my opinion, is it not settling well with you? Or what? Let me simplify my opinion. Paying $50 to transfer from a removed server, insane. SoEs ongoing methods of how to maintain SWG and it's services, horrible. People constantly dragging up old news, and/or pretending to be shocked at purely normal SoE behavior, getting old. You say you would like to keep shit like this out of the industry, so would I, apparently we don't have to do that, SoE has already set that example. SoE is the only company to screw me over when it comes to online gaming. So I would say, bringing things like this up to keep it out of the industry, was already done.
Let's be realistic about this, you, me, every vet to stand up to SoE did so with our wallet. People a few years ago would bring up problems with their actions, and rightfully so. Grats, SoE has been proven to be incompetent morons.
Option one, if you want me to go into depth. Drop the act, SoE is bad, feel free to support their future games. It just so happens, my opinion is that people are dwelling on the past, and this prevents them from effectively moving on. Say what you want, but dragging up problem after problem of a game you have no, zero, never have intentions in playing is pretty pathetic. So let's reverse the question. What are you doing here? What are you accomplishing, what purpose is there in beating a dead horse. I'll respect your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And when it comes to something like this, I find obsessing over a game you literally hate "now" a bit crazy.
Also, please understand, I'm not against discussion, I'm against this board being full of nothing but hate and anger. Reminisce, remember the good, forget the bad. The game was good, not great or perfect, but it was certainly some peoples favorite game of all time. But I have to disagree on the constant bashing on this game, I see it as nothing more then childish and pointless. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise, but at this point, I don't think any of you have a justifiable reason to convince me otherwise.
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
Actually, I said, "or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server?" I never accused everyone of being schills for SOE.
Also, I thought you might be confused about my motives for posting here, so I attempted to clarify. None of that was designed to offend you.
Also, I've clarified twice now that I had no intention of pretending I was surprised. I'm asking if SOE decided to follow through on their plans to begin charging people for server transfers, beginning today.
Anyone accusing me of pretending surprise is mind-reading or has simply read something into my question that isn't really there.
Several months, actually.
I received an email giving me 6 days notice, in total, of the upcoming server closures. I believe the closures were announced on the forums only a few weeks ago, much to many people's surprise, since they said they had no plans to close the "transfer from" servers.
If you don't read the official forums, and you didn't check your email spam for the last 6 days, you're in for a nasty surprise if you log into one of the closed servers.
Even with 6 days notice, or a few weeks on the forums, why charge a fee to move off of a server they are closing down? Really?
First of all, there was never any guarantee that characters would be available when people came back after an extended period of time. I think the guaranteed time limit was something like 3 months. Secondly, 99% of people that had or have plans to return already have. The pool of former players willing to come back is all but dried up, so very few people would miss out in transferring their characters anyway. Finally, like others have said, theres been plenty of warning given. Call me crazy, but giving people weeks, if not months, notice is plenty and fair.
I can't stand soe as much as the next guy, but to me this is a non-issue. $50 is a lot of money to move a character but it is in line with the rest of the mmo companies for performing similar services.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
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Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
Actually, I said, "or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server?" I never accused everyone of being schills for SOE.
Also, I thought you might be confused about my motives for posting here, so I attempted to clarify. None of that was designed to offend you.
Also, I've clarified twice now that I had no intention of pretending I was surprised. I'm asking if SOE decided to follow through on their plans to begin charging people for server transfers, beginning today.
Anyone accusing me of pretending surprise is mind-reading or has simply read something into my question that isn't really there.
Ok, let's say this thread wasn't to get a reaction out of people. What else to you expect from the SoE the awesome? SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want.
Only reason I make this accusation is because seriously, is this REALLY a surprise? Really? Even a bit?
"For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE"
If not a shill, then what? A developer? Please don't say Senate, I don't think anybody on this board is that much of a tool, well, not most of them.
I'm going to go ahead and say, fine, you wasn't pretending. But, I'll stick to "this shouldn't be a surprise". It's SoE, they capitalize on ignorance.
When I posed the question about the transfer fee, I was attempting to confirm whether or not SOE actually followed through with this. I'm also suggesting that someone returning to the game who hasn't followed it closely lately may be in for a nasty surprise.
Okay, I understand your point, but I still think this is argument for argument's sake. "What if God and Superman had a fight?"
If you can point to someone who legitimately returned to SWG, did not know about the server closings, and SOE did charge them $50 to recover their character, that would be different. OR if you can point to a definative SOE posting that states they will charge a returning player $50 to recover their character from a closed server, I'll concede the issue (A statement that "free transfers" expire on a certain date does not count. That's aimed at existing players dragging their feet, not returning players.) Untill then, this is at best conjecture. Faux outrage
There are plenty of real reasons to be angry at SOE. It is pointless to invent things to be pissed about.
Ok Tman, this for me is a worthwhile discussion. At least with you I can clarify my meaning, and be taken at face value. Here's the information a friend shared with me on another forum:
"Beginning October 16th, 2009 at 12:01 AM PT you will be able to contact Customer Support and for the standard Character Transfer fee of $50.00 you will be able to schedule a transfer for your character, eligible structures and inventory."
Since it's now October 16, or rather it was when I started this thread, I simply asked if SOE had indeed followed through with this. That was my intent at least. I didn't want to accuse them of something if they had decided (again) to extend the free transfer service.
I quickly learned, from the first response, that there is indeed now a charge of 50 dollars to move a character off of closed server. I wouldn't call my response outrage, or faux outrage. I'm really not surprised or angered by this move. In my view, it's actually fairlly consistent with SOE's way of doing business. I am, however, most definitely questioning the logic of this move. In my opinion, it only discourages people from rejoining the game from this point forward if they are on one of the closed servers.
Does that make sense?
P.S. I may edit the title for clarity. I don't know if I was unclear or if people have a hard time reading the thread objectively. I know people have a lot of intense feelings about the game, and that can get in the way of effective communication I think.
SOE gave months and months of free server moves far back as january sending e-mails and website notifying players of this. those who did not act have no one to blame but them selves. almost a year in time to move SOE gave plenty warning so please don't QQ and blame SOE for this one i admit 99.9% mistakes where SOE fault in the past but not this folks.
Yeah, we're all shills that work for SoE >.>
That fact is you was warned, you said 6 days, 1 day short of a week. You had 6 days to carry out a transfer. Even before knoweldge of the server closure was given a wide window to do so. Admit you have no intentions in returning, and every player to bitch and moan about every stupid little thing are just feeding their inner desire to stay upset. It's what brings you guys together anymore. I'm against paying 50 dollars to transfer, but get this, I knew it, my toon was going to sink with the server, gasp, OMG! I have no intentions of returning, thus I let my character disapear. And you did the same did you not? You was warned by email right? Guess what, so was every other player on the SoEs account list, their/your reasons for not doing so is irrelevant. SoE has taken SWG through some sharp turns, and you don't see how this would be considered by them? This has nothing to do with good and bad ideas, basically you was warned, you made this thread because you wanted to "pretend" you was surprised, so you could spark a flame fest on SoE. Yet people (including former players) admit you was given suffiecent time to act.
Actually, I said, "or do you just think it's a good ideal to charge people 50 bucks to transfer off of a closed server?" I never accused everyone of being schills for SOE.
Also, I thought you might be confused about my motives for posting here, so I attempted to clarify. None of that was designed to offend you.
Also, I've clarified twice now that I had no intention of pretending I was surprised. I'm asking if SOE decided to follow through on their plans to begin charging people for server transfers, beginning today.
Anyone accusing me of pretending surprise is mind-reading or has simply read something into my question that isn't really there.
Ok, let's say this thread wasn't to get a reaction out of people. What else to you expect from the SoE the awesome? SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want.
Only reason I make this accusation is because seriously, is this REALLY a surprise? Really? Even a bit?
"For all of the usual suspects who have jumped in here with harsh words and strange accusations, do you work for SOE"
If not a shill, then what? A developer? Please don't say Senate, I don't think anybody on this board is that much of a tool, well, not most of them.
I'm going to go ahead and say, fine, you wasn't pretending. But, I'll stick to "this shouldn't be a surprise". It's SoE, they capitalize on ignorance.
Thanks, I think we're understanding each other. I like your comment: "SoE following through on plans, they do that, when it comes to plans people don't want." I agree that a lot of people won't be surprised. Some might get a nasty shock, but many will probably just say, "that's SOE for ya." You're right.
Still, while part of me has come to expect something like this, another part of me has a hard time grasping the logic. At this point I think I may never understand why SOE does what SOE does. I may not be surprised, but I'll admit to feeling confused lol.
The shock is nothing more then disgust. Ressubed a few months ago, first thing to welcome me, players with wings. I was disgusted, at the same time I couldn't stop laughing. SoE is desprate to appeal to everybody, I liked my Star Wars universe in 04, it was nice, the people were down to earth, the game had a decent learning curve and it seemed to represent the Star Wars universe in its own way.
The game since then has been change, drastically, and I have accepted this. Not because I want to, but because I have to. This board seems to be full of so much hatred, it's not the same community I remember. Ultimatly, SoE has changed not just themselves, but every vet to have quit SWG. The question is, why, it doesn't have to be this way. There are plenty games out there to be explored, new communities to encounter, and hopefully many years of enjoyment for everybody.
Call me selfish, I accept the fact that SoE is nothing more then a comedy. I find more enjoyment in sitting back and watching SWG turn into the circus it is today. The community there now isn't even the same, I have asked what is the reason to play SWG, and almost every single current player said "collections".
Back on track, done ranting. Don't try and grasp SoEs logic, nothing there.
I would agree with you, if SOE told people back then that they would be closing the transfer from servers. I believe, however, that players were told the opposite. It's one thing to tell people they have the option of a free transfer. It's an entirely different message to tell them that their current server will be closing down. The closure message was most definitely not shared back in January.
In fact, as I've indicated earlier in the thread, posts plugging the game have even recently claimed that the transfer from servers were growing and would soon be home to large populations once more.
The first I heard anything about the closures through the grape-vine was probably in late September. I'm guessing, so if I'm off by a few days, please don't accuse me of all kinds of nastiness lol. The first official notice I received from SOE came on October 9th. I'm just telling it like it is.
My initial question still stands: If SOE wants to maintain their game, why hit people with a 50 dollar fee from this point forward, if they login to a closed server? How is that a good idea?
The shock is nothing more then disgust. Ressubed a few months ago, first thing to welcome me, players with wings. I was disgusted, at the same time I couldn't stop laughing. SoE is desprate to appeal to everybody, I liked my Star Wars universe in 04, it was nice, the people were down to earth, the game had a decent learning curve and it seemed to represent the Star Wars universe in its own way.
The game since then has been change, drastically, and I have accepted this. Not because I want to, but because I have to. This board seems to be full of so much hatred, it's not the same community I remember. Ultimatly, SoE has changed not just themselves, but every vet to have quit SWG. The question is, why, it doesn't have to be this way. There are plenty games out there to be explored, new communities to encounter, and hopefully many years of enjoyment for everybody.
Call me selfish, I accept the fact that SoE is nothing more then a comedy. I find more enjoyment in sitting back and watching SWG turn into the circus it is today. The community there now isn't even the same, I have asked what is the reason to play SWG, and almost every single current player said "collections".
Back on track, done ranting. Don't try and grasp SoEs logic, nothing there.
Lol, I think you may be giving me some helpful advice, thanks. You may also have answered my main question: "How is this logical?" You're response: "It ain't." Looking for logic where it doesn't seem to exist, might just give me a headache. Good chatting with you.
Whether they gave an open window for free transfers or not is irrelevant when it comes to them closing servers for their community; they should've allow people to pick their servers for free, and then manually merge the servers for those who didn't meet the deadline and not give them a choice as to where to go.
People complaing that others are bitching about the fee? It is unfair to begin with, as those who didn't have their homes destroyed didn't have to worry in the first place. It's a sort of favoritism that should not be done in a P2P online service -- more so accurately it was like a lotto system. Some don't have to worry, others do, and those who were screwed both times now have to pay a $50 charge.
Poor morality by a subpar gaming company (not the electronics departments) that doesn't seem to know how to run online businesses.
This is the type of thing I'd boycott if I had a SWG character; they made too many bad decisions in the past from the various articles and posts I've read. It reminds me of the whole Ultima Online fiasco where they started to sell advanced characters, which pissed most of the people off.
What's even more laughable is that they pull this off when the new StarWars game by a company that knows what they're doing is poised to come out within the next year or so.
Apparently option two works here, quite well. I have to have a reason for being here? Well if you must know.
"A place for disgruntled former and current SWG players to talk about the game that was and the game that now is, as well as for newcomers who are curious about the issues surrounding the changes that this game has undergone. *Note, MMORPG.com RoC will still be enforced. "
I may not be disgruntled, but I'm indeed a former player. I'm giving my opinion, is it not settling well with you? Or what? Let me simplify my opinion. Paying $50 to transfer from a removed server, insane. SoEs ongoing methods of how to maintain SWG and it's services, horrible. People constantly dragging up old news, and/or pretending to be shocked at purely normal SoE behavior, getting old. You say you would like to keep shit like this out of the industry, so would I, apparently we don't have to do that, SoE has already set that example. SoE is the only company to screw me over when it comes to online gaming. So I would say, bringing things like this up to keep it out of the industry, was already done.
Let's be realistic about this, you, me, every vet to stand up to SoE did so with our wallet. People a few years ago would bring up problems with their actions, and rightfully so. Grats, SoE has been proven to be incompetent morons.
Option one, if you want me to go into depth. Drop the act, SoE is bad, feel free to support their future games. It just so happens, my opinion is that people are dwelling on the past, and this prevents them from effectively moving on. Say what you want, but dragging up problem after problem of a game you have no, zero, never have intentions in playing is pretty pathetic. So let's reverse the question. What are you doing here? What are you accomplishing, what purpose is there in beating a dead horse. I'll respect your opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And when it comes to something like this, I find obsessing over a game you literally hate "now" a bit crazy.
Also, please understand, I'm not against discussion, I'm against this board being full of nothing but hate and anger. Reminisce, remember the good, forget the bad. The game was good, not great or perfect, but it was certainly some peoples favorite game of all time. But I have to disagree on the constant bashing on this game, I see it as nothing more then childish and pointless. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise, but at this point, I don't think any of you have a justifiable reason to convince me otherwise.
Hard to comment on anything as it's all based upon hate,anger, the usual. I have no interest in that, anymore than you have any interest in actually understanding. I was asking what are you doing, not what are you doing here. Too late now so nevermind.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.