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pvp in this game lacks any REAL skill
as the title says, it becomes really apparent that pvp in this game lacks any real skill. I'm a level 39 sin, i spent 4 hours in the abyss yesterday devoted to ganking people, and 2 hours devoted to just killing guards.
As a solo player in the abyss its extremely frustrating how easily (and frequent) players can just pop wings and run away. The rediculous utility from pots in this game.. 1v1 i'd say 90% of the people just run away, and its literally impossible to kill someone once they start to run.
I then gathered 5 other buds and went around roaming for pvp, the whole person running away was gone. But I found it extremely shallow roaming around picking off people one by one or in groups of 3. The situation where we came across another group of 6 never came up. in the end we ended up getting zerged by an alliance of 24 people, strength in numbers i guess is the solution. Rifting was actually even worse, i think we probably killed the same bots about 20 times, which became extremely boring. After 4 hours of abyss ganking and rifting i gathered 4k abyss points.
On the flip side after killing guards for 2 hours i actually gained 8k abyss points, anyone that tried to gank me i just popped wings and ran away (its just way to easy).
I could talk about fortress sieges, but they're not really pvp in my opinion. I'm sure anyone that has played a fortress siege and is genuine about their experience would agree.
Honestly, i can really see most of my points being even worse as people progress to higher ranks in pvp and the abyss points lost are even more substantial. I have NOOO clue why they made it so you can get pvp points from pve, it just boggles my mind. But i can seriously see a huge flaw in that system from a game boasting "hardcore" pvp.
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Oh look!
Another post by "one of the 5" who loves to post here?
Big surprise.... I'll wait for yet another "there's to many bots in Aion" thread now...
Shouldn't you have some skills to block their wings? every class has them.
as a sin i get a poison that "stops" people from casting wings, but honestly most of the abyss pvp i did was on the top half. You can easily glide out of poison and then run away. You can also use healing pots to remove poison.
I made this thread to get some constructive criticism, on what peoples ideas could be on how to change some aspect of it.
please anyone that doesn't see any flaw in the pvp system in this game refrain from posting here.
How many bots is too many bots?
This game is so rng dependent that it's hard dispute the non skill factor here. Although what is skill in regards to a video game?
i dunno i know i'll get flamed for these comparisons, but counter strike 5v5's the side with more "skill" won the match.
WoW arenas (i know i shouldn't of gone there lol) take a lot of skill go get to 2200+ ratings, even if you complain about an op team, that said team will still have to run into mirrors.
Lineage 2 it actually took a lot of coordination for a castle siege.
I never played WAR or AoC past the first month so i can't make any comparisons there.
It just seems like the pvp in this game will reward people who can pve 10+ hours a day rather then people who actually try and pvp.
IMHO the best thing the aion team can do is take out abyss points from pve mobs, this will attract more people to pvp.
Originally posted by DiSpLiFF
niche market game, it will go the path of WAR and AOC. I'd be really surprised if it beat either of those games.
I played for the first month the game has no real substance at all, and i quit because i thought it was extremely boring.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3198423#3198423
Originally posted by DiSpLiFF
Honestly i doubt anyone can argue that this game is a niche game that won't appeal to the masses.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3198499#3198499
Not much credibility in this thread.
Exactly my thoughts too.
Posters who scream the sky is falling - over and over by creating new threads on the same exact topic loses all credibility
Of course, Im just a blind fanboy... so obviously I would say such things...
MMORPG PvP will NEVER be balanced, it's a fundamental conflict in the design. In part due to the sheer number of game skills, in part due to the number of players who happen to be around, in part due to the player skill involved.
You want balanced PvP? You want chess or fighting games, where the environment is much more controlled. That or have auto-team balancing like in TF2, but I don't see things like that gracing MMO combat anytime soon.
Remember, it has to be fun to be a game. Grinding is a bedroom activity, and the point is definitely not to do my wife as fast as possible.
i can't believe i couldn't get one person to make valid suggestions for my arguments, am i really the only one that finds flaws in the aion pvp system?
The game provides you with various ways in which you can kill your enemy.
The skill you are talking about is infact the skill you lack. Its there you just haven't realised how to play your class yet.
You are a SIN, you could sneak up on your foe - you could then unleash a deadly combo inwhich they can't just fly away. Poison, stuns, hold in the air skills... slows - you have a teleport to your target skill at range also.
If your target got away, you didn't perfect your combo's or you just ran around the target smashing keys.
The only char that should be able to get away from you without an issue are tanks.
Go back to basics.
Nope - I can list a ton of flaws with the Aion PVP system... and stuff I like about it too but honestly, why bother?
You guys have your mind made up that the game is garbage and nothing I, or anyone else says, will make you change that opinion. Same people posting the same topics - most people are just simply tired of arguing with people and have stopped (or stopped coming to this website).
Sorry - I know its sad... but sooner or later the trolls will stop because they won't have anyone to argue with... (/waits for some STUPID comment like "that's because Aion is dead and no one comes here"... lol)
Well I do see some flaw. Like you I play melee (gladiator) and pvp is kinda "meh" so far. You can't see anyone when sieging because of the s+f12 and overall pvp in the abyss is just ganking. I had 1 good experience in it and it was a 1 vs 1. I rifted 2 time only to end in some impossible situation toward the map.
Frankly i am not impressed so far but I want to try the BG at lvl 46 and it's pretty much the only hope I have that keep me playing and lvling.
Well not that I level my gladiator anymore, I rolled an alt waiting on the xp patch.
i don't even want to get into how insane your statement is.. you have no clue about an assasin so don't try and act like you do.
I really can't see how you can deny the fact that if someone wants to run away in the abyss they are 100% capable of doing so. Almost every class gets an "oh shit i'm getting f outa here" move. Combined with healing pots + hot pots any encounter is easy to get out of, in which anyone that is serious about pvp in this game will have.
I have NEVER said this game was crap, not once, i've actually said on many occasions this game has great gameplay which is the first mmo since Warcraft to achieve this. Has it truly gotten to the point where you can't even make valid suggestions for this game/?
I never complained about bots- i new an ncsoft game having played lineage 2 they would come. I never complained about the actual grind of the game, i just thought the game lacked content 1-50 - valid argument.
oh well guess i'm going back to playing EVE
you have a few abilities to get in close i thought? i play a caster type so most don't bother trying to run or if they do its useless. not sure what level you can start getting the extendable daggers, they're made to help the melee classes out some. and don't you have that speed buff?i haven't played a melee class tho, but i have had more than a few sins set up a shop real fast next to me asking if they could grind next to me and not kill them. i'm sure i'll be called a "carebear" for not being a dick, but i would let them exp. was funny tho a few times i got jumped and the idiots would run to the sin that i agreed to not kill (the sin is in the biggest guild on my server) thinkin he would help and i'd just kick thier asses while he watched..lol that said i have been beaten by a sin before idk if it was level difference or if they just get something late in the game that helps them vs casters.
i don't even want to get into how insane your statement is.. you have no clue about an assasin so don't try and act like you do.
I really can't see how you can deny the fact that if someone wants to run away in the abyss they are 100% capable of doing so. Almost every class gets an "oh shit i'm getting f outa here" move. Combined with healing pots + hot pots any encounter is easy to get out of, in which anyone that is serious about pvp in this game will have.
I have NEVER said this game was crap, not once, i've actually said on many occasions this game has great gameplay which is the first mmo since Warcraft to achieve this. Has it truly gotten to the point where you can't even make valid suggestions for this game/?
I never complained about bots- i new an ncsoft game having played lineage 2 they would come. I never complained about the actual grind of the game, i just thought the game lacked content 1-50 - valid argument.
oh well guess i'm going back to playing EVE
Actually, he mentioned abilities and skills in general terms of what the assasin is capable of. I am surprised OP that with those skills you still have difficulty in defeating targets. One thing I will mention is, this is a large group style pvp/rvr type game, trying to 1v1 certain classes just wont be possible at certain levels with certain skills/equipment. You can run away in the abyss, however it isnt a 100% chance to get away, there are alot of skills that prevent flight, and healing potions dont clear all of those affects. It sounds to me like your trying to troll the game, with the skills your SIN has at 39 there is no reason most of the classes should escape you, HOTS or heal potions will not gurantee escape..sounds like you need to learn how to play your class better.
Good luck
You might want to head over to assasin board and get some tips from people that know how to play the class. Theres a video of a 30 sin owning everyone in air with pure skill, something you obviously lack at this time. Maybe you arent good enough to compete with top tier Aion PvP'rs and arent wise wnough to admit to this.
Me without trying i pull 10k-20k Abyss points a day, but im Pro
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I was sayin the OP is just a noob since i was today 3 hours in the abyss and made 6000 ap in pvp.
but your post show me he's just another WoW fanboy commin to Aion forums and talkin crap.
Sounds like the OP needs to go back to Sin basic class.
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Interesting. So which pvp-enabled mmorpg has a system that favors this so-called skill?
And as an edit to this. I find it so damn laughable that the OP equates another players defensive tatics, even if its popping wings and running, to lack of skill.
OP you need to learn that PvP isnt all about running face to face and seeing who comes out on top. Wings are a very good method of escape if you are out geared or out leveled (usually the latter) Aion puts lower level players at a huge disadvantage but thats kinda how it should be. If you know how to play your class then you should be fine in most 1v1 situations. My advice is to stay away from healers because we will just laugh and watch our DoTs eat you as we heal.
And stay away from Gladiators. I dueled a Sin 4 levels above my Gladiator and didn't drop below 1k HP. Then in the Abyss I had a Sin jump me while I was fighting a mob and at 3/4 health. I killed the mob and the Sin.
Oh and for the record. Aion is a Group PVP game, it is not designed around 1v1.
Yea i have a sin that would agree with u.
http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=34616&serverID=10
Damn hes only got 3k+ kills and over 100k ap.
/Sarcasm off
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