And what I don't understand is...EVE's review was five years ago...if this wasn't the same reviewer as it was back then, what is the point about mentioning it? Even if it is the same site, if the person making the review is different, you can't exactly say both reviewers are not to be believed...
Its not about the reviewer it is about the condition of the game. Eve was in a bad way when it was reviewed, hence the low mark given by Gamespot. Same as STOL is now, if we can put it like that.
But that does not mean that it can not get better. And if you know anything about MMOs then you will know that they do get better(even the mighty WoW was not what it is today). I sited Eve as an example cause it is now very successful despite its early state(and because it got about the same mark from the same site all those years ago). So if Eve can improve then i cannot see why STOL cannot.
My posting of that rubbed the trolls the wrong way because it implies that even though gamespot gave it a bad review(which sits well with them) it does not mean it will be forever bad and distracted from the bad score. Trolls for whatever reason that drives them did not like this.
I can assure you that there were similar trolls around in the time that Eve was released that would have made similar comments, but are now hiding like the shallow posters that they are.
Same as what happened with AoC, how many people said that if will fail, even going so far as putting failcom as their avatar. And yet it has not failed, on the contrary it is going from strength to strength and has an expansion out this year. "Failcom" I thnk not. Since I will not be able to find these guys in 5 years time when STOL maybe succesful i challenge them now.......
I understand what you are trying to say. I am a "Trekkie" fan and thus tried the game, but found out in the beta that it wasn't what I wanted. That may change in five years, or maybe it's just not the right game for someone like me.
Do you agree with the review right now? I mean, five years is a bit away and there must be something that appeals to you that got you playing it right now (I will assume you are playing it or at least watching out for its progress?)
And, although I won't say Star Trek Online will fail or anything (I do hope it grows somewhat, so that I can give it another try in a year or two), EVE and Star Trek Online have different stances. EVE at the beginning was a niche game that had little competition and thus got a chance to grow into what it is right now, Star Trek Online will have it harder with *some* diehard Star Trek fans that have so high expectations and visions of that game that it might be very hard to satisfy them. However, I don't see Star Trek as an unsuccessful game at all, I just see that it has so many possibilities to grow beyond what it is now.
VultureSkull = bitter troll Anyway that was a good and reliable review imo.
Troll lol. All i implied was that this game may be successful and that any review based on a new release is just that, siting that Gamespot reviewed Eve and gave it a low mark and now it is immensely succesful. This is just common sense given what has happened before.
I am against anyone who seeks the downfall of a game or who critizies it without any basis to do so(or simply because they don't like it) ie trolls. And some people say it is impossible without giving a reason as to why, I find this haterd unfounded and will challenge it until i am proved wrong. This has already been spoken about in MikeB's post here
Don't worry about it man, anyone with common sense knows the game may get better over time. If there is anything that I've learned about any given forum here during launch time, it's that if you're not with those crying out against a new game, you're obviously against them (according to "them" anyway). This isn't a place to state an opinion anymore, it's a clique and nothing more, similar to a high school cafeteria. Those with an open mind (common sense) sit at the table over in the corner, watching the cool kids be cool. Join us at the corner table, and just sit back and laugh.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Another critical review and the trekkies come running with their pitchforks and shovels to defend the honor of STO..
Could be right. Fanbois always defend their game of choice, but in this case, I'm not sure the fanbois are trekkies. Or at least I'm inclined to believe their are more trekkies that agree with the review than not.
I read the review and it is dead on for how I felt about the game.
I was going to give it 6 months then come back to take a look, however from what I keep hearing about co and those guys being so unhappy. I think I will wait a year, and if sto is still around try it then.
There is just way to much wrong with the game right now to even make me want to try it again.
VultureSkull = bitter troll Anyway that was a good and reliable review imo.
Troll lol. All i implied was that this game may be successful and that any review based on a new release is just that, siting that Gamespot reviewed Eve and gave it a low mark and now it is immensely succesful. This is just common sense given what has happened before.
I am against anyone who seeks the downfall of a game or who critizies it without any basis to do so(or simply because they don't like it) ie trolls. And some people say it is impossible without giving a reason as to why, I find this haterd unfounded and will challenge it until i am proved wrong. This has already been spoken about in MikeB's post here
Don't worry about it man, anyone with common sense knows the game may get better over time. If there is anything that I've learned about any given forum here during launch time, it's that if you're not with those crying out against a new game, you're obviously against them (according to "them" anyway). This isn't a place to state an opinion anymore, it's a click and nothing more, similar to a high school cafeteria. Those with an open mind (common sense) sit at the table over in the corner, watching the cool kids be cool. Join us at the corner table, and just sit back and laugh.
Pretty much..... There is a small clique on this site who like to deride mmorpgs for the most part, some use long words and some use "fail", and within that clique there is a lot of back slapping and high-fiving. I guess for some it projects a sense of "seeing the emporer's new clothes" i.e seeing what we, the poor luddites can not, that game X is "fail".
It happens with every release and then about 3 weeks later dies off. It's a strange mix of football-tribalism-hobbying. I presume collectors of stamps don't heckle collectors of buttons. I would presume model ship makers don't heckle model aeroplane makers.
Some of the complaints are genuine reasons, others are pure fantasy ~ "it's nothing like the shows".
YES.. all the complaints about STO are unfounded.. STO is the best thing ever to happen to the MMO industry.. All the poor reviews by multiple websites, magazines, and professional posters are conspiring with the amateur forum posters here and over on STO official forums to bring down the future GIANT of mmo's.. It's a conspiracy I tell you.. We should demand that congress make an independent tribunal and stone these conspirators.. LOL
Pretty much..... There is a small clique on this site who like to deride mmorpgs for the most part, some use long words and some use "fail", and within that clique there is a lot of back slapping and high-fiving. I guess for some it projects a sense of "seeing the emporer's new clothes" i.e seeing what we, the poor luddites can not, that game X is "fail".
It happens with every release and then about 3 weeks later dies off. It's a strange mix of football-tribalism-hobbying. I presume collectors of stamps don't heckle collectors of buttons. I would presume model ship makers don't heckle model aeroplane makers.
Some of the complaints are genuine reasons, others are pure fantasy ~ "it's nothing like the shows".
All the bad reviews on sites and magazines. All the negative posts on the official forums, these forums and other forums.
Yes. It's all a HUGE conspiracy against poor innocent Cryptic.
I understand what you are trying to say. I am a "Trekkie" fan and thus tried the game, but found out in the beta that it wasn't what I wanted. That may change in five years, or maybe it's just not the right game for someone like me. Do you agree with the review right now? I mean, five years is a bit away and there must be something that appeals to you that got you playing it right now (I will assume you are playing it or at least watching out for its progress?) And, although I won't say Star Trek Online will fail or anything (I do hope it grows somewhat, so that I can give it another try in a year or two), EVE and Star Trek Online have different stances. EVE at the beginning was a niche game that had little competition and thus got a chance to grow into what it is right now, Star Trek Online will have it harder with *some* diehard Star Trek fans that have so high expectations and visions of that game that it might be very hard to satisfy them. However, I don't see Star Trek as an unsuccessful game at all, I just see that it has so many possibilities to grow beyond what it is now.
I know exactly what the game is like as i am playing it at the moment, so don't need to read a review given by someone else (2nd hand info)and as such I agree with whatever is in the review.
The game is not in the best shape, but which MMO is on release?
Actually it is in better shape than a lot of MMOs were when they released. There are hardly any bugs, the only realy thing it lacks is content, and adding content is the most simplest thing an MMO dev can do. They do not have to spend there time now fixing masses of bugs like other MMOs do on release, in fact they have already released a patch with content in, within the first month of release.
And there is so much more to come. STOL is not like other MMOs, it had a very short dev time due to the re-use of the CO engine, and most of the dev time was spent on content. Which is an on going process if we are to believe Cryptic.
Without getting into the issue of "why are MMOs not released complete", it seems that Cryptic has planned the release of this game in this way, and plan to continue to add content. If they add Romulans (PVE )and Cadassians(PVP) as playable races and some robust form of end game within the year (which is wholly feasible given what they have done in two years) then they will be well on their way to a successful MMO, and that is just a year's dev time.
I can not see how Eve being a niche game gave it a chance to grow. Or how STOL having die hard fans will stop it developing. IMO STOL is a niche game anyway, as always lots of people brought it who would have not liked it anyway even it was an exact replica of the real ST world, they bought it due to the lack of games in this genre.
I too would love to see it grow into a successful MMO as i do for every MMO(whether I play them or not), we need more successes and less failures in this genre, which can only see people not needing to buy MMOs that don't really appeal to them
The game is not in the best shape, but which MMO is on release? I can not see how Eve being a niche game gave it a chance to grow
I think the complaints (at least the ones I have) are not about the state of the game, but about the fundamentals of the game. The game feels shallow not because its just launched and is incomplete/buggy. It feels shallow because of how Cryptic chose to make the game. Will it be awesome in the future and something I'd like to play? Could be. And if so, I'd play it then. That doesn't invalidate the shallowness of the game now.
As far as the Eve/niche thing goes. It does give the game a chance if there are no expectations from launch that it be a blockbuster. When you tie a game to a blockbuster IP, the expectation is the game be a blockbuster as well. The key thing its not the expectation of the players that matter, but of the investors and license holders of the IP who may have metrics and goalposts for success that STO must meet, where as a niche independently developed game will be allowed to plod on for years without such restrictions.
It's a decent review in my opinion getting to the core of the gameplay, but...
..why is it another review that will not say the most obvious thing about STO? It lacks the cerebral nature of the Universe. Ignoring the original series all the output from the franchise has been designed to allude towards a better form of humanity, where problem solving and not blowing things up was the key order of business, and STO is a total fail in that respect.
People will buy this game because of the franchise, and after getting over the mouth along theme tunes and the look they are going to be asking, where's the Star Trek?
This is not EVE, this is a game based on a series which bears nothing more than a cosmetic resemblance to that IP, why are reviewers trying to cover that?
Even if the huge gaps in the current gameplay were fixed making it much more entertaining, it would still feel like a generic space game and not a Star Trek one.
This is the same Gamespot that gave Eve online 6/10 when it first released! I bet you "haha"ed then too. And look at Eve now, no more Haha from you there now eh?
That was then. This is now. Eve has flourished and improved. STO doesn't look like it will, based on other Cryptic games and also because the biggest weakness are actually part of the core game. The game would need a vast rewrite to elevate it beyond the mediocre - probably too vast.
The STO review is just about spot-on as the game currently stands.
Pretty much..... There is a small clique on this site who like to deride mmorpgs for the most part, some use long words and some use "fail", and within that clique there is a lot of back slapping and high-fiving. I guess for some it projects a sense of "seeing the emporer's new clothes" i.e seeing what we, the poor luddites can not, that game X is "fail".
It happens with every release and then about 3 weeks later dies off. It's a strange mix of football-tribalism-hobbying. I presume collectors of stamps don't heckle collectors of buttons. I would presume model ship makers don't heckle model aeroplane makers.
Some of the complaints are genuine reasons, others are pure fantasy ~ "it's nothing like the shows".
All the bad reviews on sites and magazines. All the negative posts on the official forums, these forums and other forums.
Yes. It's all a HUGE conspiracy against poor innocent Cryptic.
Every game has it defenders and detractors, regardless of their actual quality. But overall, you can see a trend, and if game site after game site consistently give a game a poor review, and those mirror the opinions of a large number of the people playing it, its a pretty safe bet that overall, the game is lacking.
As for WAR, it is an anomaly where the review sites really were greatly influenced by the hype, while the people playing it were saying totally otherwise after the first few months.
Its pretty obvious that STO will be a short lived experience for most players, and probably will suffer the same future as CO.
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Gamespot USED to be good for reviews, but now they seem to just randomly rate games based on opinions of games other then the one they are playing.
Comparison is fine, however docking a game based on another is not. All this hatred, I am inclined to believe they buckled under pressure from the haters and gave it a bad score to not upset their members, personal agendas wreck their reviews as well.
I have seen tons of reviews praising a bad game where it becomes obvious they were paid off or buckled under pressure to give a certain score. This is no different, that is why I prefer independent review sites and such, and try the games myself because their opinion may just be their opinion, bias and all.
I am enjoying this game and have played it for 3 days now, might not seem like much, but when you take your time, read the story and enjoy the gameplay, it is a great game, and is the only sci-fi MMO that I find holds my attention, and I have tried them all.
Hell I try all new MMOs and over the past only 4 have held my attention for HOURS, and HOURS at a time. WoW, GW, WAR, STO.
This post is based on observation, personal opinion, and distrust for gamespot and their reviewers. Take it at face value or do your own research into how they review and what they have reviewed in the past.
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Holy crap! 5.5! Hahahahaha! I can't say I disagree!
Haha indeed.
This is the same Gamespot that gave Eve online 6/10 when it first released! I bet you "haha"ed then too.
And look at Eve now, no more Haha from you there now eh?
Eve was shite at release, and is somewhat bearbale now. What is ur point? The review of the game was 5 years ago, and yes the review was preety accurate for the game then. I would still give Eve a 6/10.
You're free to dislike EvE Online.
However, I don't see STO surviving for as long as EvE has. Or adding an expansion every 6 months.......for free.
Another critical review and the trekkies come running with their pitchforks and shovels to defend the honor of STO..
I disagree. I am a trekkie, but I agree 100% with the review. The game is too easy at every level. Worse thing is, I was in closed and open beta, and the game was MUCH more fun then, but during open beta they decided they would loose casual players if the game was even remotely challenging, so they increased players shields and hull/health by like 100% and at the same time reduced the damage done by enemies by like 25%, so pretty much players are playing in god mode. All the interesting elements you have like bridge officer's powers, ship selection, different types of weapons and loadouts, power distribution, shield facing, all that... became irrelevant, as you can pretty much win all battles by spamming the spacebar like a zombie.
A real shame, as the game was actually very fun at one point.
Another critical review and the trekkies come running with their pitchforks and shovels to defend the honor of STO..
I disagree. I am a trekkie, but I agree 100% with the review. The game is too easy at every level. Worse thing is, I was in closed and open beta, and the game was MUCH more fun then, but during open beta they decided they would loose casual players if the game was even remotely challenging, so they increased players shields and hull/health by like 100% and at the same time reduced the damage done by enemies by like 25%, so pretty much players are playing in god mode. All the interesting elements you have like bridge officer's powers, ship selection, different types of weapons and loadouts, power distribution, shield facing, all that... became irrelevant, as you can pretty much win all battles by spamming the spacebar like a zombie.
A real shame, as the game was actually very fun at one point.
A fine example why I don't like Beta's. You played the game then, something changed, and now because of that prior formed opinion you don't like the game in its current incarnation.
It happens all the time, and another factor why Beta's are not good is people get tired of playing the same content over and over, and by release they claim it is repetitive and boring. Those opinions are based on Beta conceptions and clouds ones vision or view of the retail product.
I get killed plenty and hurt plenty in ship combat, and ground combat. It is not too hard, and not too easy, I find it a perfect challenge level.
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Pretty much..... There is a small clique on this site who like to deride mmorpgs for the most part, some use long words and some use "fail", and within that clique there is a lot of back slapping and high-fiving. I guess for some it projects a sense of "seeing the emporer's new clothes" i.e seeing what we, the poor luddites can not, that game X is "fail".
It happens with every release and then about 3 weeks later dies off. It's a strange mix of football-tribalism-hobbying. I presume collectors of stamps don't heckle collectors of buttons. I would presume model ship makers don't heckle model aeroplane makers.
Some of the complaints are genuine reasons, others are pure fantasy ~ "it's nothing like the shows".
All the bad reviews on sites and magazines. All the negative posts on the official forums, these forums and other forums.
Yes. It's all a HUGE conspiracy against poor innocent Cryptic.
To be clear, I was making a generalization of what i see at every release, void of any personal opinion of STO.
What I stated is a fact, it may get better, there's another side to that coin it may not, which is also a fact.
Time will tell what comes of STO in the long run. That's the problem with launch era reviews. They are hardly worth more than jumping into a 14 day trial for yourself. These guys/gals that review these games don't have the time to sit around and play like someone who visits this site regularly would.
MMO reviews are generally worthless unless they come from someone who actually played the game all the way to end level content, and spent a good deal of time on it. Otherwise you really aren't getting the whole story. The problem is finding one that is unbiased and forth coming with everything. From bugs and flaws to the community that will be around you.
Anything else written about any game should be taken with a grain of salt, entertainment products are to subjective a thing to stamp a number on it and leave it at that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Gamespot USED to be good for reviews, but now they seem to just randomly rate games based on opinions of games other then the one they are playing.
Comparison is fine, however docking a game based on another is not. All this hatred, I am inclined to believe they buckled under pressure from the haters and gave it a bad score to not upset their members, personal agendas wreck their reviews as well. I have seen tons of reviews praising a bad game where it becomes obvious they were paid off or buckled under pressure to give a certain score. This is no different, that is why I prefer independent review sites and such, and try the games myself because their opinion may just be their opinion, bias and all. I am enjoying this game and have played it for 3 days now, might not seem like much, but when you take your time, read the story and enjoy the gameplay, it is a great game, and is the only sci-fi MMO that I find holds my attention, and I have tried them all. Hell I try all new MMOs and over the past only 4 have held my attention for HOURS, and HOURS at a time. WoW, GW, WAR, STO. This post is based on observation, personal opinion, and distrust for gamespot and their reviewers. Take it at face value or do your own research into how they review and what they have reviewed in the past.
Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there.
The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all.
It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons.
It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head.
Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it.
Gamespot USED to be good for reviews, but now they seem to just randomly rate games based on opinions of games other then the one they are playing.
Comparison is fine, however docking a game based on another is not. All this hatred, I am inclined to believe they buckled under pressure from the haters and gave it a bad score to not upset their members, personal agendas wreck their reviews as well. I have seen tons of reviews praising a bad game where it becomes obvious they were paid off or buckled under pressure to give a certain score. This is no different, that is why I prefer independent review sites and such, and try the games myself because their opinion may just be their opinion, bias and all. I am enjoying this game and have played it for 3 days now, might not seem like much, but when you take your time, read the story and enjoy the gameplay, it is a great game, and is the only sci-fi MMO that I find holds my attention, and I have tried them all. Hell I try all new MMOs and over the past only 4 have held my attention for HOURS, and HOURS at a time. WoW, GW, WAR, STO. This post is based on observation, personal opinion, and distrust for gamespot and their reviewers. Take it at face value or do your own research into how they review and what they have reviewed in the past.
Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there. The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all. It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons. It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head. Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it. Cheers
EVERYTHING, I said EVERYTHING is a part of that review. You obviously don't know how they review, like I said learn how they review. No review from any major site is an accurate or honest, non biased review anymore. They haven't been for years. That is why the best way to know if you like a game is to try it yourself, and take the time to do so with an open mind, because these reviewers sure don't.
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Holy crap! 5.5! Hahahahaha! I can't say I disagree!
Haha indeed.
This is the same Gamespot that gave Eve online 6/10 when it first released! I bet you "haha"ed then too.
And look at Eve now, no more Haha from you there now eh?
Eve was shite at release, and is somewhat bearbale now. What is ur point? The review of the game was 5 years ago, and yes the review was preety accurate for the game then. I would still give Eve a 6/10.
You're free to dislike EvE Online.
However, I don't see STO surviving for as long as EvE has. Or adding an expansion every 6 months.......for free.
Gamespot USED to be good for reviews, but now they seem to just randomly rate games based on opinions of games other then the one they are playing.
Comparison is fine, however docking a game based on another is not. All this hatred, I am inclined to believe they buckled under pressure from the haters and gave it a bad score to not upset their members, personal agendas wreck their reviews as well.
I have seen tons of reviews praising a bad game where it becomes obvious they were paid off or buckled under pressure to give a certain score. This is no different, that is why I prefer independent review sites and such, and try the games myself because their opinion may just be their opinion, bias and all.
I am enjoying this game and have played it for 3 days now, might not seem like much, but when you take your time, read the story and enjoy the gameplay, it is a great game, and is the only sci-fi MMO that I find holds my attention, and I have tried them all.
Hell I try all new MMOs and over the past only 4 have held my attention for HOURS, and HOURS at a time. WoW, GW, WAR, STO.
This post is based on observation, personal opinion, and distrust for gamespot and their reviewers. Take it at face value or do your own research into how they review and what they have reviewed in the past.
Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there.
The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all.
It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons.
It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head.
Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it.
Cheers
EVERYTHING, I said EVERYTHING is a part of that review. You obviously don't know how they review, like I said learn how they review. No review from any major site is an accurate or honest, non biased review anymore. They haven't been for years. That is why the best way to know if you like a game is to try it yourself, and take the time to do so with an open mind, because these reviewers sure don't.
Hate to say it, but spyder2k5 your in denial dude. Guillermo197 is right these sites are giving constructive critisisms to the game. They are giving points and flaws about the game mechanics and yes some echo from one site to another.
All I see is people saying that they are having fun with the game. And thats all they can say..... They are having fun with the game. No real construtive counter-point. If they enjoy it great thats their cup of tea. But when you can't come up with a counter-point to these faults that these sites magazines come up with or found in the game what are you trying to defend? If so many sites say (Lets go with a well known flaw) Klingon content is completely broken and almost not worth playing are you gonna try and tell me that it isn't? Or the game is complete?
I was looking forward to a sifi game that I could get into and Star Trek was the top runner now I guess I have to wait for SWToR.
Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there.
The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all.
It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons.
It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head.
Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it.
Cheers
I think those who are playing are well aware the reception of STO hasn't been so hot, it's to obvious to not notice. However I think the point he is making is that in this day and age, it's hard to trust a lot of the bigger sites and magazines. Which isn't exactly an outlandish statement.
If the rest of the gaming world disagrees with those who are playing, it shows the core audience is of a different variety than the general gaming public. Which is fine, though it could be argued Star Trek deserves better.
Personally there have been plenty of games that have horrible reviews, that I have had some fun with. I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that. Certain games are for a small audience, though large I.P's should not be used for them IMO.
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I hate to say it but you are all just trolls. See how easy that is? I have said it many many many times, if you ignore the story, and push ahead without minding to learn how the combat system works and how to use it effectively and rush to the end, then you will find it boring, and repetitive. But if you go in take your time, learn the game, with an open mind and time to do so, you may actually enjoy it. I know I am and I know this review was rushed like all, no one can give a proper opinion of an MMO in 2 weeks time, it takes months to form a proper opinion.
My initial reaction is the game is great, combat is satisfying, and I am enjoying to story. Now stop trying to contradict me.
I'm not trying to attack you or anything, if you enjoy star trek great, and no I'm not a troll just trying to debate your stance.
So by your own words. I'm suppose to pay for a game and I want to be a Klingon. I don't want to be a federation officer. But, I'm suppose to pay for a game and I can't form any opinion for it until months after. I'm playing for 2 to 3 weeks or so, and I'm suppose to eat this crappy game mechanics with constant broken crap where my missions are disappearing / other things are happening to my content to where I'm suppose to enjoy but I can't finish because my side of the world is incomplete..... so Now I will be forced back into a role I didn't wanna play to begin with but I had to just to unlock that side.
But far be it for me to form an opinion of a game when its suppose to take months to form a proper opinion espically when I'm paying for it.
I hate to say it but you are all just trolls. See how easy that is? I have said it many many many times, if you ignore the story, and push ahead without minding to learn how the combat system works and how to use it effectively and rush to the end, then you will find it boring, and repetitive. But if you go in take your time, learn the game, with an open mind and time to do so, you may actually enjoy it. I know I am and I know this review was rushed like all, no one can give a proper opinion of an MMO in 2 weeks time, it takes months to form a proper opinion.
My initial reaction is the game is great, combat is satisfying, and I am enjoying to story. Now stop trying to contradict me.
I'm not trying to contradict you. If *you* enjoy the game as it is, then don't listen to anybody, you are having fun and that's what matters. I'm just telling the rest of the people about my experience with the game. I do not find it remotely fun. It's boringly easy, there is no need to use your head for anything at all. Just spam spacebar in space, and 1/2 in ground missions. That's all that's required of you in this game. No strategy involved, no challenge, and in the very very very low chance that you actually die (like, if you fell asleep while spamming spacebar), no penalty whatsoever, just slam your finger again on the spacebar and try not to fall asleep again.
But for anybody who's reading this, if you actually enjoy some sort of challenge in your games, then look far, far away from STO.
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Its not about the reviewer it is about the condition of the game. Eve was in a bad way when it was reviewed, hence the low mark given by Gamespot. Same as STOL is now, if we can put it like that.
But that does not mean that it can not get better. And if you know anything about MMOs then you will know that they do get better(even the mighty WoW was not what it is today). I sited Eve as an example cause it is now very successful despite its early state(and because it got about the same mark from the same site all those years ago). So if Eve can improve then i cannot see why STOL cannot.
My posting of that rubbed the trolls the wrong way because it implies that even though gamespot gave it a bad review(which sits well with them) it does not mean it will be forever bad and distracted from the bad score. Trolls for whatever reason that drives them did not like this.
I can assure you that there were similar trolls around in the time that Eve was released that would have made similar comments, but are now hiding like the shallow posters that they are.
Same as what happened with AoC, how many people said that if will fail, even going so far as putting failcom as their avatar. And yet it has not failed, on the contrary it is going from strength to strength and has an expansion out this year. "Failcom" I thnk not. Since I will not be able to find these guys in 5 years time when STOL maybe succesful i challenge them now.......
I understand what you are trying to say. I am a "Trekkie" fan and thus tried the game, but found out in the beta that it wasn't what I wanted. That may change in five years, or maybe it's just not the right game for someone like me.
Do you agree with the review right now? I mean, five years is a bit away and there must be something that appeals to you that got you playing it right now (I will assume you are playing it or at least watching out for its progress?)
And, although I won't say Star Trek Online will fail or anything (I do hope it grows somewhat, so that I can give it another try in a year or two), EVE and Star Trek Online have different stances. EVE at the beginning was a niche game that had little competition and thus got a chance to grow into what it is right now, Star Trek Online will have it harder with *some* diehard Star Trek fans that have so high expectations and visions of that game that it might be very hard to satisfy them. However, I don't see Star Trek as an unsuccessful game at all, I just see that it has so many possibilities to grow beyond what it is now.
Troll lol. All i implied was that this game may be successful and that any review based on a new release is just that, siting that Gamespot reviewed Eve and gave it a low mark and now it is immensely succesful. This is just common sense given what has happened before.
I am against anyone who seeks the downfall of a game or who critizies it without any basis to do so(or simply because they don't like it) ie trolls. And some people say it is impossible without giving a reason as to why, I find this haterd unfounded and will challenge it until i am proved wrong. This has already been spoken about in MikeB's post here
Don't worry about it man, anyone with common sense knows the game may get better over time. If there is anything that I've learned about any given forum here during launch time, it's that if you're not with those crying out against a new game, you're obviously against them (according to "them" anyway). This isn't a place to state an opinion anymore, it's a clique and nothing more, similar to a high school cafeteria. Those with an open mind (common sense) sit at the table over in the corner, watching the cool kids be cool. Join us at the corner table, and just sit back and laugh.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Could be right. Fanbois always defend their game of choice, but in this case, I'm not sure the fanbois are trekkies. Or at least I'm inclined to believe their are more trekkies that agree with the review than not.
I read the review and it is dead on for how I felt about the game.
I was going to give it 6 months then come back to take a look, however from what I keep hearing about co and those guys being so unhappy. I think I will wait a year, and if sto is still around try it then.
There is just way to much wrong with the game right now to even make me want to try it again.
Troll lol. All i implied was that this game may be successful and that any review based on a new release is just that, siting that Gamespot reviewed Eve and gave it a low mark and now it is immensely succesful. This is just common sense given what has happened before.
I am against anyone who seeks the downfall of a game or who critizies it without any basis to do so(or simply because they don't like it) ie trolls. And some people say it is impossible without giving a reason as to why, I find this haterd unfounded and will challenge it until i am proved wrong. This has already been spoken about in MikeB's post here
Don't worry about it man, anyone with common sense knows the game may get better over time. If there is anything that I've learned about any given forum here during launch time, it's that if you're not with those crying out against a new game, you're obviously against them (according to "them" anyway). This isn't a place to state an opinion anymore, it's a click and nothing more, similar to a high school cafeteria. Those with an open mind (common sense) sit at the table over in the corner, watching the cool kids be cool. Join us at the corner table, and just sit back and laugh.
Pretty much..... There is a small clique on this site who like to deride mmorpgs for the most part, some use long words and some use "fail", and within that clique there is a lot of back slapping and high-fiving. I guess for some it projects a sense of "seeing the emporer's new clothes" i.e seeing what we, the poor luddites can not, that game X is "fail".
It happens with every release and then about 3 weeks later dies off. It's a strange mix of football-tribalism-hobbying. I presume collectors of stamps don't heckle collectors of buttons. I would presume model ship makers don't heckle model aeroplane makers.
Some of the complaints are genuine reasons, others are pure fantasy ~ "it's nothing like the shows".
YES.. all the complaints about STO are unfounded.. STO is the best thing ever to happen to the MMO industry.. All the poor reviews by multiple websites, magazines, and professional posters are conspiring with the amateur forum posters here and over on STO official forums to bring down the future GIANT of mmo's.. It's a conspiracy I tell you.. We should demand that congress make an independent tribunal and stone these conspirators.. LOL
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All the bad reviews on sites and magazines. All the negative posts on the official forums, these forums and other forums.
Yes. It's all a HUGE conspiracy against poor innocent Cryptic.
I know exactly what the game is like as i am playing it at the moment, so don't need to read a review given by someone else (2nd hand info)and as such I agree with whatever is in the review.
The game is not in the best shape, but which MMO is on release?
Actually it is in better shape than a lot of MMOs were when they released. There are hardly any bugs, the only realy thing it lacks is content, and adding content is the most simplest thing an MMO dev can do. They do not have to spend there time now fixing masses of bugs like other MMOs do on release, in fact they have already released a patch with content in, within the first month of release.
And there is so much more to come. STOL is not like other MMOs, it had a very short dev time due to the re-use of the CO engine, and most of the dev time was spent on content. Which is an on going process if we are to believe Cryptic.
Without getting into the issue of "why are MMOs not released complete", it seems that Cryptic has planned the release of this game in this way, and plan to continue to add content. If they add Romulans (PVE )and Cadassians(PVP) as playable races and some robust form of end game within the year (which is wholly feasible given what they have done in two years) then they will be well on their way to a successful MMO, and that is just a year's dev time.
I can not see how Eve being a niche game gave it a chance to grow. Or how STOL having die hard fans will stop it developing. IMO STOL is a niche game anyway, as always lots of people brought it who would have not liked it anyway even it was an exact replica of the real ST world, they bought it due to the lack of games in this genre.
I too would love to see it grow into a successful MMO as i do for every MMO(whether I play them or not), we need more successes and less failures in this genre, which can only see people not needing to buy MMOs that don't really appeal to them
I think the complaints (at least the ones I have) are not about the state of the game, but about the fundamentals of the game. The game feels shallow not because its just launched and is incomplete/buggy. It feels shallow because of how Cryptic chose to make the game. Will it be awesome in the future and something I'd like to play? Could be. And if so, I'd play it then. That doesn't invalidate the shallowness of the game now.
As far as the Eve/niche thing goes. It does give the game a chance if there are no expectations from launch that it be a blockbuster. When you tie a game to a blockbuster IP, the expectation is the game be a blockbuster as well. The key thing its not the expectation of the players that matter, but of the investors and license holders of the IP who may have metrics and goalposts for success that STO must meet, where as a niche independently developed game will be allowed to plod on for years without such restrictions.
It's a decent review in my opinion getting to the core of the gameplay, but...
..why is it another review that will not say the most obvious thing about STO? It lacks the cerebral nature of the Universe. Ignoring the original series all the output from the franchise has been designed to allude towards a better form of humanity, where problem solving and not blowing things up was the key order of business, and STO is a total fail in that respect.
People will buy this game because of the franchise, and after getting over the mouth along theme tunes and the look they are going to be asking, where's the Star Trek?
This is not EVE, this is a game based on a series which bears nothing more than a cosmetic resemblance to that IP, why are reviewers trying to cover that?
Even if the huge gaps in the current gameplay were fixed making it much more entertaining, it would still feel like a generic space game and not a Star Trek one.
That was then. This is now. Eve has flourished and improved. STO doesn't look like it will, based on other Cryptic games and also because the biggest weakness are actually part of the core game. The game would need a vast rewrite to elevate it beyond the mediocre - probably too vast.
The STO review is just about spot-on as the game currently stands.
All the bad reviews on sites and magazines. All the negative posts on the official forums, these forums and other forums.
Yes. It's all a HUGE conspiracy against poor innocent Cryptic.
Every game has it defenders and detractors, regardless of their actual quality. But overall, you can see a trend, and if game site after game site consistently give a game a poor review, and those mirror the opinions of a large number of the people playing it, its a pretty safe bet that overall, the game is lacking.
As for WAR, it is an anomaly where the review sites really were greatly influenced by the hype, while the people playing it were saying totally otherwise after the first few months.
Its pretty obvious that STO will be a short lived experience for most players, and probably will suffer the same future as CO.
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Gamespot USED to be good for reviews, but now they seem to just randomly rate games based on opinions of games other then the one they are playing.
Comparison is fine, however docking a game based on another is not. All this hatred, I am inclined to believe they buckled under pressure from the haters and gave it a bad score to not upset their members, personal agendas wreck their reviews as well.
I have seen tons of reviews praising a bad game where it becomes obvious they were paid off or buckled under pressure to give a certain score. This is no different, that is why I prefer independent review sites and such, and try the games myself because their opinion may just be their opinion, bias and all.
I am enjoying this game and have played it for 3 days now, might not seem like much, but when you take your time, read the story and enjoy the gameplay, it is a great game, and is the only sci-fi MMO that I find holds my attention, and I have tried them all.
Hell I try all new MMOs and over the past only 4 have held my attention for HOURS, and HOURS at a time. WoW, GW, WAR, STO.
This post is based on observation, personal opinion, and distrust for gamespot and their reviewers. Take it at face value or do your own research into how they review and what they have reviewed in the past.
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Haha indeed.
This is the same Gamespot that gave Eve online 6/10 when it first released! I bet you "haha"ed then too.
And look at Eve now, no more Haha from you there now eh?
Eve was shite at release, and is somewhat bearbale now. What is ur point? The review of the game was 5 years ago, and yes the review was preety accurate for the game then. I would still give Eve a 6/10.
You're free to dislike EvE Online.
However, I don't see STO surviving for as long as EvE has. Or adding an expansion every 6 months.......for free.
I disagree. I am a trekkie, but I agree 100% with the review. The game is too easy at every level. Worse thing is, I was in closed and open beta, and the game was MUCH more fun then, but during open beta they decided they would loose casual players if the game was even remotely challenging, so they increased players shields and hull/health by like 100% and at the same time reduced the damage done by enemies by like 25%, so pretty much players are playing in god mode. All the interesting elements you have like bridge officer's powers, ship selection, different types of weapons and loadouts, power distribution, shield facing, all that... became irrelevant, as you can pretty much win all battles by spamming the spacebar like a zombie.
A real shame, as the game was actually very fun at one point.
I disagree. I am a trekkie, but I agree 100% with the review. The game is too easy at every level. Worse thing is, I was in closed and open beta, and the game was MUCH more fun then, but during open beta they decided they would loose casual players if the game was even remotely challenging, so they increased players shields and hull/health by like 100% and at the same time reduced the damage done by enemies by like 25%, so pretty much players are playing in god mode. All the interesting elements you have like bridge officer's powers, ship selection, different types of weapons and loadouts, power distribution, shield facing, all that... became irrelevant, as you can pretty much win all battles by spamming the spacebar like a zombie.
A real shame, as the game was actually very fun at one point.
A fine example why I don't like Beta's. You played the game then, something changed, and now because of that prior formed opinion you don't like the game in its current incarnation.
It happens all the time, and another factor why Beta's are not good is people get tired of playing the same content over and over, and by release they claim it is repetitive and boring. Those opinions are based on Beta conceptions and clouds ones vision or view of the retail product.
I get killed plenty and hurt plenty in ship combat, and ground combat. It is not too hard, and not too easy, I find it a perfect challenge level.
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All the bad reviews on sites and magazines. All the negative posts on the official forums, these forums and other forums.
Yes. It's all a HUGE conspiracy against poor innocent Cryptic.
To be clear, I was making a generalization of what i see at every release, void of any personal opinion of STO.
What I stated is a fact, it may get better, there's another side to that coin it may not, which is also a fact.
Time will tell what comes of STO in the long run. That's the problem with launch era reviews. They are hardly worth more than jumping into a 14 day trial for yourself. These guys/gals that review these games don't have the time to sit around and play like someone who visits this site regularly would.
MMO reviews are generally worthless unless they come from someone who actually played the game all the way to end level content, and spent a good deal of time on it. Otherwise you really aren't getting the whole story. The problem is finding one that is unbiased and forth coming with everything. From bugs and flaws to the community that will be around you.
Anything else written about any game should be taken with a grain of salt, entertainment products are to subjective a thing to stamp a number on it and leave it at that.
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Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there.
The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all.
It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons.
It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head.
Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it.
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Haha indeed.
This is the same Gamespot that gave Eve online 6/10 when it first released! I bet you "haha"ed then too.
And look at Eve now, no more Haha from you there now eh?
Eve was shite at release, and is somewhat bearbale now. What is ur point? The review of the game was 5 years ago, and yes the review was preety accurate for the game then. I would still give Eve a 6/10.
You're free to dislike EvE Online.
However, I don't see STO surviving for as long as EvE has. Or adding an expansion every 6 months.......for free.
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Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there.
The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all.
It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons.
It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head.
Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it.
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EVERYTHING, I said EVERYTHING is a part of that review. You obviously don't know how they review, like I said learn how they review. No review from any major site is an accurate or honest, non biased review anymore. They haven't been for years. That is why the best way to know if you like a game is to try it yourself, and take the time to do so with an open mind, because these reviewers sure don't.
Hate to say it, but spyder2k5 your in denial dude. Guillermo197 is right these sites are giving constructive critisisms to the game. They are giving points and flaws about the game mechanics and yes some echo from one site to another.
All I see is people saying that they are having fun with the game. And thats all they can say..... They are having fun with the game. No real construtive counter-point. If they enjoy it great thats their cup of tea. But when you can't come up with a counter-point to these faults that these sites magazines come up with or found in the game what are you trying to defend? If so many sites say (Lets go with a well known flaw) Klingon content is completely broken and almost not worth playing are you gonna try and tell me that it isn't? Or the game is complete?
I was looking forward to a sifi game that I could get into and Star Trek was the top runner now I guess I have to wait for SWToR.
Dude. Go read the review first, before commenting in this topic about stuff that ain't there.
The reviewer didn't dock the game based on another at all.
It's a person in here, that started digging up some EVE Online review from 6 years ago. And start making comparisons.
It was a good review. Just like the 1UP review hit the nail right on the head.
Like someone else already said. When 1 or 2 or 3 sites give a bad review. You can take it with a grain of salt. But when almost every site and gaming magazine starts giving it a bad review. Than you can no longer ignore it, other than that they might be right and there is some truth behind it.
Cheers
I think those who are playing are well aware the reception of STO hasn't been so hot, it's to obvious to not notice. However I think the point he is making is that in this day and age, it's hard to trust a lot of the bigger sites and magazines. Which isn't exactly an outlandish statement.
If the rest of the gaming world disagrees with those who are playing, it shows the core audience is of a different variety than the general gaming public. Which is fine, though it could be argued Star Trek deserves better.
Personally there have been plenty of games that have horrible reviews, that I have had some fun with. I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that. Certain games are for a small audience, though large I.P's should not be used for them IMO.
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I'm not trying to attack you or anything, if you enjoy star trek great, and no I'm not a troll just trying to debate your stance.
So by your own words. I'm suppose to pay for a game and I want to be a Klingon. I don't want to be a federation officer. But, I'm suppose to pay for a game and I can't form any opinion for it until months after. I'm playing for 2 to 3 weeks or so, and I'm suppose to eat this crappy game mechanics with constant broken crap where my missions are disappearing / other things are happening to my content to where I'm suppose to enjoy but I can't finish because my side of the world is incomplete..... so Now I will be forced back into a role I didn't wanna play to begin with but I had to just to unlock that side.
But far be it for me to form an opinion of a game when its suppose to take months to form a proper opinion espically when I'm paying for it.
I'm not trying to contradict you. If *you* enjoy the game as it is, then don't listen to anybody, you are having fun and that's what matters. I'm just telling the rest of the people about my experience with the game. I do not find it remotely fun. It's boringly easy, there is no need to use your head for anything at all. Just spam spacebar in space, and 1/2 in ground missions. That's all that's required of you in this game. No strategy involved, no challenge, and in the very very very low chance that you actually die (like, if you fell asleep while spamming spacebar), no penalty whatsoever, just slam your finger again on the spacebar and try not to fall asleep again.
But for anybody who's reading this, if you actually enjoy some sort of challenge in your games, then look far, far away from STO.
and you would have paid around £100 for the game you should have recieved at launch.