I also actually just went and looked a the Blizzard Store and looked at the Celestial Steed description...
"Freshly born from the Twisting Nether, the Celestial Steed flying mount lets you travel in style astride wings of pure elemental stardust. So saddle up, because this supernatural warhorse will fly as fast as your riding skill will take you, and it will travel at 310% speed if you have at least one other 310% mount. "
Pretty self-explanatory there...
It's clear that you have to already have a +310% mount to fly at +310% with the cash mount. Now, does that mean you have to have a +310 mount on one of your characters on that account - or on each one that wants that benefit?
No you only get the 310% flight speed for the Celestial Steed mount on the character that has the 310% flight speed mount.
The other thing that is not clear is whether that requirement to have an equal mount already is only for the +310% bonus - because (I believe) that is a function of the special mount itself, not your riding skill. What I mean is this: if a character of mine has +100% riding skill (150 points) will the cash mount act as a +100% mount - without that character having to buy a +100% mount?
Yes it is only for the 310% mount. For the other normal speeds you only need to have the skill, not a mount that requires that skill for the Celestial Steed to have the ability to run/fly at that speed. For instance, if you have the epic riding skill with gives you 100% ground speed, you don't have to buy a mount with 100% ground speed for your Celestial Steed to be able to have a ground speed of 100%. The only instance where you need to have a mount to be able to have the Celestial Steed be a certain speed is the 310% mount requirement.
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My point is if you want to fix the world go out and do it. Do not poo poo people for doing what they want to do with their time and money with a tear jerk post about them spending their $25 better. In the end I am sure we could follow anyone around and contantly nitpick things they are doing that would "save the world." "You are super sizing that...shame shame." "You should ride the bus." "You are not recycling that *shakes head*." Etc. When a person is doing everything humanly possible in their life to "save the world" then I will listen to them about what I should be doing with $25 that I might want to spend on a hobby. (not that I am buying this horse as I do not play WoW at the moment, but shame shame on me I do have 5 different pay accounts across a few games that I could be spending to save the world.)
You are avoiding my question, but that's ok. You just want to win this argument. No one person can save the world. It's a global effort. As I said, I can't blame anyone for buying this mount. But if I or anyone else want to try and make people aware that there actually is a world outside of azeroth that needs saving, then I think we are entitled to.
Your question of doing something or doing nothing? Depends. Are you a Humanist, Gobalist, Naturalist, or a Survival of the Fittest believer. Humanist would believe is sacrificing all things to save human life. Gobalist believes in sacrificing all things to save the planet as a whole, Survivalist is neutral and leave it to people to save themselves if they want to, and a Survival of the Fittest Believer would just steal everything they could from everyone else so they survive. I am more of a Survivalist. I help when I want to, but really humans are like rabbits over breeding on this planet. Eventually resources to people is going to end up with people losing. Kind of harsh, but I prefer to help those around me directly not sending my money off to far away places. Neighbors should help neighbors and if everyone did this then they would have two people on either side of them to help them.
to everyone who bought or plan to buy this mount.....enjoy your happy meal, and thank you for ruin the MMO as a game.
to me cash shops in a P2P game is just disgusting, when you already paying anything you gain should be included in events, not ow this thing looks cool *pay 25$* no it should be ow that guys mount look awesome. /tell JD how did you get that ?!? it looks awesome.
if you do not find any kind of pleasure in this, well to me you ruin the MMO virtual worlds. and really should be playing F2P, there is by now plenty of great F2P games, instead go about promote this kind of greed and lazy game design.
sure anyone can afford 25$ if playing WoW am sure, but you just bought something that should have been in an epic event.
Again, like I said before, It was supposed to be a code card in the TCG ( Trading Card Game ) But the card production house didn't relicense, so no TCG soon. The mount was already planned to be in-game so they added it to the store. I mean 20 euro for an account bound mount is really cheap. They could have made is 50 euro and still sell as much.
Blizzard isn't going anywhere near the cash shops of free to play. In F2P your olmost forced to buy something in there to compete with the others. Does the celestial steed make you faster or stronger ? No.
I foresee that anything blizzard thinks is 'cool looking' will only be obtainable through RMT means... as soon as anything that modifies gear, be it stats or cosmetics, i'm dropping my subscription. I pay a sub to get the whole game, not just a portion. It seems like they are slowly easing in that direction and they are just easing people into it.
A lot of people have this mount right now and a good number of them bought it to feel 'different'. Whats funny is they were suckered into buying something that everyone has now, you can't look at the screen without seeing that mount.
Yeah Orgrimmar looks like if it was invaded from celestial beigns now lol.
I just got the bronze drake mount from an heroic run. I know it is easy to get one but I won the roll lol. I rather fly this sweet dragon that fits in the lore than that celestial mount anyday, plus some races looks too big for them.
I find this funny. All the..."I should be able to get every thing in the game by playing the game." Ok fine and good. Way back when casual were whining that they did not have the time for a 8 hour raid, because of their real life jobs, to get the best gear and hardcores said "that is the way of the game you only get the items if you invest the time." Well now it have come around and the casuals are on top and saying to the raiders "That is the way of the game you only get the items if you invest the money from your real life job."
I foresee that anything blizzard thinks is 'cool looking' will only be obtainable through RMT means... as soon as anything that modifies gear, be it stats or cosmetics, i'm dropping my subscription. I pay a sub to get the whole game, not just a portion. It seems like they are slowly easing in that direction and they are just easing people into it.
A lot of people have this mount right now and a good number of them bought it to feel 'different'. Whats funny is they were suckered into buying something that everyone has now, you can't look at the screen without seeing that mount.
Yeah Orgrimmar looks like if it was invaded from celestial beigns now lol.
I just got the bronze drake mount from an heroic run. I know it is easy to get one but I won the roll lol. I rather fly this sweet dragon that fits in the lore than that celestial mount anyday, plus some races looks too big for them.
After they threw out the race restriction on mounts the "too big to fit" went out the door.
If she bought a WOW T-shirt, she should feel guilty wearing it because you couldn't buy one?
you are missing the point
It's merchandise, you aren't forced to buy it.
you are missing the point
If someone has the funds to get what most players have the time to get, then so be it.
you are missing the point
My wife is a mom, an employee and a volunteer. She can pull off getting this mount with out being a child living in their parent's basement playing 12 hours a day to get all the cool things.
ok so here is my point..... i hate this game more and more because of this crap because:
it used to be a great game, and EARNING things like mounts gave you a sense of accomplishment. I grinded my ASS off earning money to get my mount, and now they basically just give them away 20 levels lower, or in this case you can just pay real money for it and they give it to you. Where is the challenge in that? How much longer till you can just buy gear off the website and have the upper hand just because you make more money then some of the players?
the game used to be fun untill tons of noobs started whining that everything was too hard... now they just hand you everything on a platter. Including levels.
That is my point, and i do not care if you don't agree with it. I'm sure the fanboi's will just flame away anyways cause they are in denial.
You're whining.
If a person runs a farm of animals, vegetables, and grain, and harvests it to create his own food, doesn't that person work for what he gets compared to you who only buys it in the grocery store? Should he bag on you, because he remembers having to grind his ASS off in the field to get his meals, while grocery stores just give it away now?
There are tons of mounts in the game, so you still can grind your happy little ass off and do it your way. Other people might prefer to buy theirs off of a cash shop; big deal. If you don't like grinding, then buy one off the store. If you do like grinding, quit whining because other people choose an alternative way to get the same things as you, just as you choose an alternative way to get food than a farmer does.
I think it would be a different matter if this celestial mount was achievable within game as well as the Blizzard Store . A very rare drop maybe of via rep grind .Maybe even if it was put on sale for a short time and a percentage of the profit went to charity like last time with the pets . You only have to look at these forums to realise ( a few fanbois aside ) very few people think RMT is a good idea in WOW and lots of people are concerned that it will not stop at vanity items . A few million is a drop in the ocean to Blizzard . I'm not sure the bad P.R. it gives them each time they do this is worth it .
If a person runs a farm of animals, vegetables, and grain, and harvests it to create his own food, doesn't that person work for what he gets compared to you who only buys it in the grocery store? Should he bag on you, because he remembers having to grind his ASS off in the field to get his meals, while grocery stores just give it away now?
I think this has to be one of the worst analogies I've ever seen on MMORPG.com. The person who cultivates their own food clearly wouldn't be capable of holding any other job, and as such wouldn't have the money to buy food from the store. The person who paid for their food has clearly worked to earn the money which bought it. Seriously, think about it a bit.
As for the topic; every little bit of this stuff that gets introduced takes away from the games they're in due to the shortcuts they create. End of story, at least in terms of game worlds dying off in place of these new things they hand us these days.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
You CANNOT after they just made 2 million dollars say very few people are interested. I'm sure Blizzard's pockets would like to disagree with you. Face it they tested ingame pet sales, it succeeded, then tehy tested a flying mount, it succeeded. They will test to see what does and does not sell, if it sells they will offer more, if not they wont. That is how buisness works. Someone doing things the opposite of that will fail as a buisness model.
Not in the least. The number they have sold demonstrates that there is a market, hence they are simply supplying that. Profit IS after all the name of the game in business. All this nonsense about "greed" and "loss of integrity" obviously comes from people who either haven't thought things through, and/or whose ideology has blinded them to reality.
to everyone who bought or plan to buy this mount.....enjoy your happy meal, and thank you for ruin the MMO as a game.
to me cash shops in a P2P game is just disgusting, when you already paying anything you gain should be included in events, not ow this thing looks cool *pay 25$* no it should be ow that guys mount look awesome. /tell JD how did you get that ?!? it looks awesome.
if you do not find any kind of pleasure in this, well to me you ruin the MMO virtual worlds. and really should be playing F2P, there is by now plenty of great F2P games, instead go about promote this kind of greed and lazy game design.
sure anyone can afford 25$ if playing WoW am sure, but you just bought something that should have been in an epic event.
Should it? Thats for the Blizzard Dev's to determine, not you or I. Its obvious that a lot of people value that mount more than they do the $25 they used to purchase it. Thats a win/win from my perspective. Business after all is about making profit from supplying a given markets demand.
I foresee that anything blizzard thinks is 'cool looking' will only be obtainable through RMT means... as soon as anything that modifies gear, be it stats or cosmetics, i'm dropping my subscription. I pay a sub to get the whole game, not just a portion. It seems like they are slowly easing in that direction and they are just easing people into it.
A lot of people have this mount right now and a good number of them bought it to feel 'different'. Whats funny is they were suckered into buying something that everyone has now, you can't look at the screen without seeing that mount.
Yeah Orgrimmar looks like if it was invaded from celestial beigns now lol.
I just got the bronze drake mount from an heroic run. I know it is easy to get one but I won the roll lol. I rather fly this sweet dragon that fits in the lore than that celestial mount anyday, plus some races looks too big for them.
Same here. I have both a blue drake(random drop from the gem bag in Occulus heroic) and the bronze drake(from the time dragon side boss in Culling of Strathome heroic). Neither of which is all that difficult to get if you run randoms for a week or so. I actually like them better than the new My Little Pony from the shop ^^ But to each their own.
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
We have a right as lovers of this genre to get pissed when the king (WOW) does something really stupid that other companies are now going to view as open season.
This is a forum ffs, and this is one of those times when people who actually give a crap about the genre should be speaking out against this. Instead we have millions of individuals throwing $25 of encouragement Blizzard's way.
Good job!
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I think it would be a different matter if this celestial mount was achievable within game as well as the Blizzard Store . A very rare drop maybe of via rep grind .Maybe even if it was put on sale for a short time and a percentage of the profit went to charity like last time with the pets . You only have to look at these forums to realise ( a few fanbois aside ) very few people think RMT is a good idea in WOW and lots of people are concerned that it will not stop at vanity items . A few million is a drop in the ocean to Blizzard . I'm not sure the bad P.R. it gives them each time they do this is worth it .
I kind of think that this mount (or a very similar one) is actually achievable within game - someone please confirm, I stopped playing several months ago and I'm not so much up to date anymore.
edit: bah, while I was posting, expresso confirmed it a few posts above.
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
proving to him I am a fool? Whatever lol. Please, Anyone who pays $25 for something like this should expect to be ridiculed. It is going to happen regardless if they like the it or not. These items serves no purpose, no function other than showcasing "hey look at me". Majority of people have no use or need for these items, and feel it is in fact a waste of money if it serves no real function or benefit. Only one that benefits from it is the Developers. I for one, do not like Cash Shops, they are the sign that devs are willing to nickel and dime their customers( Champions online, and STO anyone?), because idiots like these are willing to shell out cash willynilly lol.
IF you don't like my opinion too bad, I am going to speak it, you don't have to agree with it, but you will hear it. Cash Shops are merely the sign that MMO's are going to get more expensive, with secondary purchase items, cost of game+ sub fee+ cash shop fees in order to play. Setting cashshops aside for a moment, The worst fact is, MMO's are lately becoming more linear, dumb downed, unoriginal, and uninspired cash grabs.
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True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
The "right" that all collectivists bring to such arguments... The "greater good" or "protecting" people from themselves. Personally, if you examine it, its much more likely to be envy or spite. Blizzard obviously did some market research on this, and the response has proven them correct. The objective of business is profit. Those who purchased the mounts considered them of more value than the $25 they exchanged for them. Thats a win/win in my book.
True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
The "right" that all collectivists bring to such arguments... The "greater good" or "protecting" people from themselves. Personally, if you examine it, its much more likely to be envy or spite. Blizzard obviously did some market research on this, and the response has proven them correct. The objective of business is profit. Those who purchased the mounts considered them of more value than the $25 they exchanged for them. Thats a win/win in my book.
Has nothing to do with envy or spite. It has been proven time and time again, a sucker is born every minute. I as a business can sell an item that has no real obvious use or value, and still turn a profit. Because there is always some idiot who gets dazzled by the glittery object and say oooo let me get that. But hey...one mans garbage is another mans treasure.
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Your question of doing something or doing nothing? Depends. Are you a Humanist, Gobalist, Naturalist, or a Survival of the Fittest believer. Humanist would believe is sacrificing all things to save human life. Gobalist believes in sacrificing all things to save the planet as a whole, Survivalist is neutral and leave it to people to save themselves if they want to, and a Survival of the Fittest Believer would just steal everything they could from everyone else so they survive. I am more of a Survivalist. I help when I want to, but really humans are like rabbits over breeding on this planet. Eventually resources to people is going to end up with people losing. Kind of harsh, but I prefer to help those around me directly not sending my money off to far away places. Neighbors should help neighbors and if everyone did this then they would have two people on either side of them to help them.
Yeah Orgrimmar looks like if it was invaded from celestial beigns now lol.
I just got the bronze drake mount from an heroic run. I know it is easy to get one but I won the roll lol. I rather fly this sweet dragon that fits in the lore than that celestial mount anyday, plus some races looks too big for them.
I find this funny. All the..."I should be able to get every thing in the game by playing the game." Ok fine and good. Way back when casual were whining that they did not have the time for a 8 hour raid, because of their real life jobs, to get the best gear and hardcores said "that is the way of the game you only get the items if you invest the time." Well now it have come around and the casuals are on top and saying to the raiders "That is the way of the game you only get the items if you invest the money from your real life job."
After they threw out the race restriction on mounts the "too big to fit" went out the door.
You're whining.
If a person runs a farm of animals, vegetables, and grain, and harvests it to create his own food, doesn't that person work for what he gets compared to you who only buys it in the grocery store? Should he bag on you, because he remembers having to grind his ASS off in the field to get his meals, while grocery stores just give it away now?
There are tons of mounts in the game, so you still can grind your happy little ass off and do it your way. Other people might prefer to buy theirs off of a cash shop; big deal. If you don't like grinding, then buy one off the store. If you do like grinding, quit whining because other people choose an alternative way to get the same things as you, just as you choose an alternative way to get food than a farmer does.
I think it would be a different matter if this celestial mount was achievable within game as well as the Blizzard Store . A very rare drop maybe of via rep grind .Maybe even if it was put on sale for a short time and a percentage of the profit went to charity like last time with the pets . You only have to look at these forums to realise ( a few fanbois aside ) very few people think RMT is a good idea in WOW and lots of people are concerned that it will not stop at vanity items . A few million is a drop in the ocean to Blizzard . I'm not sure the bad P.R. it gives them each time they do this is worth it .
I think this has to be one of the worst analogies I've ever seen on MMORPG.com. The person who cultivates their own food clearly wouldn't be capable of holding any other job, and as such wouldn't have the money to buy food from the store. The person who paid for their food has clearly worked to earn the money which bought it. Seriously, think about it a bit.
As for the topic; every little bit of this stuff that gets introduced takes away from the games they're in due to the shortcuts they create. End of story, at least in terms of game worlds dying off in place of these new things they hand us these days.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
You CANNOT after they just made 2 million dollars say very few people are interested. I'm sure Blizzard's pockets would like to disagree with you. Face it they tested ingame pet sales, it succeeded, then tehy tested a flying mount, it succeeded. They will test to see what does and does not sell, if it sells they will offer more, if not they wont. That is how buisness works. Someone doing things the opposite of that will fail as a buisness model.
Not in the least. The number they have sold demonstrates that there is a market, hence they are simply supplying that. Profit IS after all the name of the game in business. All this nonsense about "greed" and "loss of integrity" obviously comes from people who either haven't thought things through, and/or whose ideology has blinded them to reality.
Should it? Thats for the Blizzard Dev's to determine, not you or I. Its obvious that a lot of people value that mount more than they do the $25 they used to purchase it. Thats a win/win from my perspective. Business after all is about making profit from supplying a given markets demand.
Same here. I have both a blue drake(random drop from the gem bag in Occulus heroic) and the bronze drake(from the time dragon side boss in Culling of Strathome heroic). Neither of which is all that difficult to get if you run randoms for a week or so. I actually like them better than the new My Little Pony from the shop ^^ But to each their own.
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True. But some times its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and confirm it...
yeah, if you say so bunky.
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Thanks for proving his saying.
more to the point. If buying something brings one joy, what right does someone else have to piss on it.
Here's a 720p video of the steed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVFBJuh4mw&feature=player_embedded I do feel sorry for it having a fat Orc warlock on its back. Send your donations now so we can fee abused virtual animals like this one, every penny helps.
Still I would prefer "invincible" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7J3tAxFFjQ
( which is avaliable in game if your good enough.)
OMG - pages and pages of nothing.
We have a right as lovers of this genre to get pissed when the king (WOW) does something really stupid that other companies are now going to view as open season.
This is a forum ffs, and this is one of those times when people who actually give a crap about the genre should be speaking out against this. Instead we have millions of individuals throwing $25 of encouragement Blizzard's way.
Good job!
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
It's a 300 post thread about people who can't agree to disagree.
I kind of think that this mount (or a very similar one) is actually achievable within game - someone please confirm, I stopped playing several months ago and I'm not so much up to date anymore.
edit: bah, while I was posting, expresso confirmed it a few posts above.
proving to him I am a fool? Whatever lol. Please, Anyone who pays $25 for something like this should expect to be ridiculed. It is going to happen regardless if they like the it or not. These items serves no purpose, no function other than showcasing "hey look at me". Majority of people have no use or need for these items, and feel it is in fact a waste of money if it serves no real function or benefit. Only one that benefits from it is the Developers. I for one, do not like Cash Shops, they are the sign that devs are willing to nickel and dime their customers( Champions online, and STO anyone?), because idiots like these are willing to shell out cash willynilly lol.
IF you don't like my opinion too bad, I am going to speak it, you don't have to agree with it, but you will hear it. Cash Shops are merely the sign that MMO's are going to get more expensive, with secondary purchase items, cost of game+ sub fee+ cash shop fees in order to play. Setting cashshops aside for a moment, The worst fact is, MMO's are lately becoming more linear, dumb downed, unoriginal, and uninspired cash grabs.
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
The "right" that all collectivists bring to such arguments... The "greater good" or "protecting" people from themselves. Personally, if you examine it, its much more likely to be envy or spite. Blizzard obviously did some market research on this, and the response has proven them correct. The objective of business is profit. Those who purchased the mounts considered them of more value than the $25 they exchanged for them. Thats a win/win in my book.
Has nothing to do with envy or spite. It has been proven time and time again, a sucker is born every minute. I as a business can sell an item that has no real obvious use or value, and still turn a profit. Because there is always some idiot who gets dazzled by the glittery object and say oooo let me get that. But hey...one mans garbage is another mans treasure.
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.