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Why all the hate?
Hardanger
Member Posts: 226
Now, I'm no fanboi or anything... I just honestly can't think of a decent reason why anybody would hate WAR. It is the best MMO I've ever played, in my opinion. It is fairly balanced, fun, awesome cities, tons of great innovative mechanics and systems, and there is lots of stuff to do when you get bored with one aspect for a while. I'd like to hear your reason for not playing it.
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the hate "came" from it not being a polished mmo on launch... WoW had 3yrs of well funded development to get rid of all the bugs... now war has got rid of the major bugs...
also, warhammer fans argue it doesn't hold true to the tabletops... also it has been said it is missing quite a few features originally slated for release, but still a no show...
also, WoW fans hated the idea it was a competitor and trolled the forums... causing bad publicity, even if very small.
i personally love the game, and have since the start.
myrlar!
The problem with this game is that the people behind it think that the word "polish" only refers to things from Poland...
Well, there are and were other points of criticism...
A two-faction system means one is the top dog, the other gets farmed. DAoC had a more self-regulating three faction system. And that's what happened to many many servers in the first months.
Classes are largely mirrored between factions
End-game PvP was pretty much broken for the first year(s). Not sure whether that has gotten better
Scenarios were the most efficient way to level up, leaving the actual world empty
PvP is not about realm pride and co-operation - people would willingly give up keeps just so they can re-raid it later for shiny loot. The whole open RvR business was mostly about farming items...
The world design is extremely linear
I am sure there is more...
Can't say I hate WARm i just think it pales in comparison to e.g. DAoC, which is 7 or 8 years older and made by the same developer...
I was a doubter, being an elder beta tester (world shaper) and totally bored of WoW ripoffs) but as of right now being a lvl 21 witchelf I am having tons of fun ..if anyone wants a recruit a friend invite message me.. i am having tons of fun in this game right now..til something new comes along
So, what I'm hearing is that really there aren't any good reasons to dislike it relative to most games - people are just disappointed in it compared to DAoC? Hmm... Whatever. I tried DAoC, it was just plain archaic. I guess I kinda wish I coud've played it before it got so old.
You're obviously not reading the replies then.
Mythic promised things, never delivered, unbalanced classes/factions = why they went from 800K boxes sold to ~100K subs shortly after launch.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/150k-1m.png
WAR has the same problems that are effecting all the new games out there. People dont play the content "correctly". That is for the story, or for the good of the faction, or the pride of doing it. Ther only reason anybody does anything in a game anymore is strictly for the loot/exp/advancement that said task provides for me. It even exists in FPS games with unlock systems. People will stay as one class the whole game, just to get one specific achievement, not in any way helping out the team goal. Its a tough cycle to break, and really it probably wont break.
Way back in the early days of RPG's and gaming, people actually cared about the story and the decisions you had to make. They slowly but surely became more complex, and more natural feeling. Then really one day everyone became prize oriented. Only caring on what the decision did for them, not the resulting story piece or the effect on their surroundings. And ever since games have rewarded such conduct, with ranking/skill systems as well as loot systems, the average player has grown more and more selfish, ruining the gameplay of others by trying to work systems to their limits just to advance faster than john down the street.
(insert game name here) has the same complaints you have, and at this point it may be unavoidable.
True, there is obviously something wrong with the game... Yeah, sure - unfulfilled promises. Wake up. That'll happen no matter what. Yeah, it stinks, it is still a great game despite that. Yes, there are unbalanced classes. That can suck. It is getting better, and it certainly isn't game breaking. I agree, a third faction would be badass, and there are quite a few things that could be improved... I'm still not convinced that there is any decent reason to hate the game.
Judging from your replies, you most certainly are. No one hates the game. Hate would be taking the box and nailing it to a cross. No, people, like me, just think its a very bad game.
No game can live up to the hype prior to release, let alone the hype produced by EA/Mythic and Paul Barnett.
That being said, the game didn't deliver on many fronts for multiple reasons. Little and poorly done PvE, all working PvP was only scenario based originally with no incentive to world PvP. Bugs, all of graphical, combat and AI based plagued from release and still exist in game (last time I played was a few months ago). Broken end game city sieges, which was their only "end game" focus.
I could continue, but there is just a short list as to why WAR failed rather hard.
Agreed. Warhammer failed miserably at the PvE aspect. I know, I know, its a pvp game at heart. But if a game in that style is pvp only its basically like Guild Wars and can hardly be considered an MMORPG because you dont have the RPG part. War doesnt even come close to the fun or excitement of either Guild Wars. I havent played since my one free month ended at launch, but I suspect unless the games had a substantial overhaul its not worth a revisit, epsecially if the server pop's get lower.
Haha I loled, thanks for that!
It's never hate, it's massive disappointment, massive let down. People understandably expected something totally different. I know I did. Putting all technical and game-play issues aside, personally I simply didn't enjoy the repetitiveness of it all.
It is VERY fun for a while, but it inevitably gets boring after getting half-way through T3. PvE is really weak in this game, so PvP was really the only option to level. My last days were spent logging for 2minutes, see if any warbands around swapping keeps. If there were I'd join the zerg for a while, if not I'd simply log off.
The PvE (i.e. quests and PQs) is as 'horrid' or 'enjoyable' as in ANY other game, imo... but this is a PvP game, honestly. You can get mindless raiding and dungeoncrawling elsewhere, if you want that.
So, what - I'm a fanboi just because I disagree with you? Fanbois are unthinking defenders of their game - I am honestly trying to figure out why people 'hate' it. I mean, a lot of the issues have been resolved since launch... And the PvE isn't horrible, really - just bad compared to the RvR. That said, I do realize that if you are really into PvE, or believe that a game should have little or no bugs (an unrealistic belief, unfortunately), or if you are really into crafting - I guess I understand why some people wouldn't play it. IT does have some fairly major problems, but they better with each patch - which is nice. Anyways - I understand that some people have certain priorities which prevent them from enjoying WAR like I do... That's fine, whatever. What I'd like to know now is what you play instead. Please post any MMO that you play that you think is better than WAR (and why), and if I haven't already tried it, and it has a free trial - I'll give it a shot.
So yeah, please tell me what you think is better than WAR - I'd love to try anything with that high of a fun factor.
There is a huge difference between expecting a game to have little to no bugs and the state WAR is in.
Since day one pet pathing is beyond bad, in fact it is downright awefull. A lot of times when you change zones you have to do a /reloadui because the map is all white, no graphics otherwise. When you relog the names above your characters are gone in the character selection screen, spell effects get stuck and will not stop in their cycle untill you relog, parts of the UI (renown bar and such) appear and disappear randomly, getting stuck on just about everything higher than an ant, etc, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the game and am playing it again lately, but the bugs (I admit, most are graphical in nature and not gamebreaking) are too plentiful. I don't expect any mmo to be bugfree, but I do expect a certain amount of polish and WAR does not even come close to that. I am sure they have fixed countless bugs since release, but in my personal experience I had far less bugs right after release than I do now. Maybe just bad luck on my part, I don't know, but it seems that when it comes to the battle WAR vs Bugs, the bugs are winning.
Whether one game is better than another is all down to personal taste so giving you examples of better mmo's is meaningless.
Because "hating" is all most people know to do. They live to hate on others.
WAR is a great game if you enjoy pvp but that's it's best feature,everything else is kind of lacking compaired to other games out there but that's not to say the other features are bad.Like somebody has already mentioned though,having just 2 realms makes even it's main feature to be kind of lacking too.
You also need a half decent computer to run it and this makes for alot people complaining about "lag" when it's just their hardware straining.
If your just a part time gamer or just looking for something on the side then WAR is a great choice.You can jump straight into pvp from level 1 and pvp is the fastest way to level too.
There's strain on the hardware, but Warhammer Online is no Oblivion, Vanguard, or Everquest II, meaning that the game should perform much better than it currently does. Overall, I find the engine to be quite unstable as on my end, I get relatively smooth performance in any area until I come into an area with a plethora of trees, which instantly kills my FPS.
Hate to be repetitious, but judging from this reply you haven't even read what people have posted and are going to form your own opinion regardless, which makes me question the point of this post.
It's fine if you enjoy the game but don't ask why others don't then ignore the reasons.
Here is my WAR experience:
Aside from all the bugs and glitched what mostly pissed me off is when i was playing my shadow warrior and i fought any mellee class they just come up after me shooting all my cooldowns in them and destroy me in 3 shots, i had good gear on me and good stats that fit my class but everytime something got close to me always kills me. I played a hunter in wow and I was decent in kiting but in war i didnt see any reason of kiting when which elf comes up to you, puts a debuff that deals damage while you are moving that basicaly kills you. I started just running away everytime i saw something approching me and that worked well but it wasnt fun at all. I quit the game, waited 6 months and came back to it. I thought "Ok, WAR is not WoW i guess the pvp here is different, maybe it all depends on the skill of a group and not the skill of one player" So I got into a very good guild with decent people. We really did cover each other, healed when need and always dominated other team. As i was leveling my character i found that doing quests and even group quests was really boring and it took more time than just doing scenarios. I did scenarios till I got to rank 40. Someone told me that all fun starts at rank 40. At rank 40 all I was doing was capturing zones and castles (sounds fun on paper). When I did that ethier the castle was just empty or there was a bunch of noobs defending it. Ofcourse our zerg was huge and we capture the castle no problem and at the end of killing the boss we always got some good gear. BUT! But what was the point of deffending the castle? We dont get any pvp points, we dont get any money, we dont even get any gear from that. So basicaly we ened up leaving the castle and waiting till someone captures it back so we can go and reclaim it to loot the boss again inside it. For me the game was not fun at all. I ended up going back to WoW at that time because I could not stand the boredom in WAR. I really wanted WAR to be successful and I even came back to it 3 times but after a week of playing I always uninstalled it.
Sorry for my english
The game is done, it was given to the wrong company. It's a shame really, what they (not mythic of course) meaning someone else should do is create a nice warhammer game based on the UT3 engine, just make it like instanced big battles online pvp only no leveling up pve crap. It's an army game, its one side versus the other side.
If they did that it would have taken off big time, also make it like guild wars buy the box for $50 then release more big battlefields new races classes etc and charge another $50. UT3 engine would be perfect for the warhammer IP oh and make M for mature with blood and guts = success. What they did was copy elements of wow added about 10% of some aspects of DAOC. Now if they made it exactly like DAOC is setup it may have done pretty well as well. But it's a goner, it may stay alive for awhile but it will just stay a small game with a small team.
You are such a tool. Lets make a MMORPG account to flame a game and do a crappy job at it, bravo the you realized this game is in maintance mode but it still doesn't evade the fact that it is fun for the players who play it.
I think W.o.W is the shittest game alive, does my opinion meen to shits in the world.... NO. Does your opinion meens to shits in the worlds... Fuck no.
From the amount of hype this game generated it needed to kill WoW, bankrupt Blizzard and be the be all, end all of mmos for pvp gamers.
It ended up being a Niche pvp game with a really small playerbase (under 100k).
I don't hate it but then again im not one of the people that fell for the hype machine.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I was one of those first 750k subscribers.
I was also one of those 350k that went absent 3 months down the track.
I haven't been back, mainly because here in Australia we have terrible internet (with CAPS and stuff, ugh!) and 25GB doesn't really help us download full games off the internet like Warhammer.
What's the 'free trial 1-11' download size?
I am playing EVE and it's alright... level V skills are a bit much.
You all need to learn to spell.
I wanted to like it, I tried to like it, but it just didn't have too many key factors:
character customization - almost nill, if one witch hunter is noticeably different than the next four, that one witch hunter is probably doing something wrong
ugliness - the factions are ugly (ugly places, ugly ideals/standards), the character models are ugly and the animations are ugly...
balance - some say it is there, I didn't see it
fluidity - movement and character control are about 2 years choppier than wow. I know why but the devs/designers made the wrong choices there.
I loved the videos that they used to sell the game.