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The main reason SWG:ToR will fail in the long run.
Teala
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All we have to do is look at the Star Wars movies to find the answer. Episodes 1, 2, 3, and 6. Lucas took full control over every aspect of those movies and look at how bad they turned out. OMG...they sucked. Sorry, but they did! In fact the episodes 1,2,3 are some of the worst examples of movie making ever seen on the big screen. Poor casting, poor writing, horrible story telling and the acting was atrocious! I mean come on who cast this picture? Lucas! He hand picked all the actors.
Oh and don't tell me it was made for children. LOL! That is the biggest bunch of BS ever. After episode V: Empire Strikes Back, Lucas took what could have been a great story and turned it into a franchise to rake in as much money as possible.
Why do I bring this up?
Because Lucas and Lucas Arts have a lot at stake here. If you think BioWare has free reign in how this game is made...think again. I can see Lucas's paws all over this game.
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Oh lord, another mindless sheep complaining about how bad the movies were.
As bad as you think they were, they weren't terrible movies. They could have been much better with some minor changes, or a better actor for Anakin, but the movies over all were good entertainment, too many people just had MASSIVE expectations that no person in the world could have ever lived up to.
Also, Episode 6 is my favorite. It has the best lightsaber duel of the Original Trilogy, and the best space fight scene.
You could have made a real thread with speculation that makes sense and therefore prove your point.
But you made a thread with a conspiracy theory as your only basis.
Well, you need some sort of skill to do that I guess.
we will have to wait and see. If lucasarts had their grubby little mits all over bioware during the making of KOTOR then I don't have a problem with them doing it with SWTOR.
Thank you for your great and insightful opion how many games have you worked on ? And I am sure you have a great idea of the inner workings of Bioware I mean after all they are like Blizzard and known to produce horrible bad games *cough cough*
Teala, I like you, you've been around for a long time, and you're a Mount & Blade fan, but KOTOR wasn't made directly by lucas and those games had an amazing story and great actors. On lucas arts in particular, there was a quote about them in a recent interview.
"How do you find working within LucasArts' fiction? Are you encountering restrictions?
Lucas is very, very open to people carving out their own little niche – you just need to look at the breadth of the universe. We started that with The Old Republic. You do get restrictions – there have to be rules. People send me time travel quests that I have to veto immediately, and once someone submitted a quest where a character was using the Force to lock something – it's not D&D. We have a massive amount of freedom to create our own galaxies – honestly [working within Star Wars] shaved off about a year of development time. The story bible for this game is well over 1000 pages and counting now.
If you're building a world from scratch, anything you do in the future is going to be much, much easier than the first one. We don't have the time to do the largest content game in the world and create an entire world for it. Especially as an MMOG world would have to be that much more complete."
Perhaps some insight on what BioWare is restricted from and what they can still accomplish. The game isn't based on the era of the movies either, theres a lot of uncharted territory in TOR. Just another way to look at it.
Not to mention fans of the movies would disagree that the movies "sucked" eventhough I personally agree with you. I was never a fan of the films. I am, however, a fan of the KOTOR games.
George Lucas was responsable for directing Episode 1 through 4. Episodes 5 and 6 were two different directors, not Lucas himself.
Not to mention that technically Bioware is "directing" this game, and if you ever played KOTOR you would know it was a great game. I have no doubt that SWTOR will be just as good.
Robots will kill you!
BioWare should be very concerned about the new SOE SW game. I just looked at the promo video. Not deep, not story-oriented, but it is contemporary to the prequels (thus more recognizable as SW), and full of gameplay.
Show us something FUN, BioWare.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Dunno if it will fail or not, but they seem to completely miss the point of mmos, based on that recent article, and seem to think what an mmo should be is a single player, story driven game that happens to intersect other players sometimes.
Like AoC's tortage's night mode, what?
Star Wars was a great movie.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I didn't mind the last movies, sure they lacked the magic of Ep 4-6 but 1-3 were still decent movie going experiences. And if you are going to see a sci-fi movie expecting it to be Oscar worthy and still be an adventurous tale with space battles, all out wars and lightsaber battles thenyou need to lower your expectations or just let go of your hang ups and enjoy them.
Ok OP so you started another "this game is going to fail because...[insert reason here]" yet you inserted no real reasons, just your own speculation and opinion. Do you have any even half-concrete evidence or relative info to back up your claims? Perhaps the title of your post should have been "The reasonI think SWG:ToR will fail in the long run" because the title statement sounds really presumptuous and a bit arrogant with nothing to substantiate your claims.
Star Wars: Phantom Menace Review <<< this says it all. Seriously. The more I read on this game, the more I realize that the developers of this game have no clue about the audiance they are aiming at. Yes the made a wonderful single player game in KoToR. That does not mean they can make a good MMORPG. Do you honestly think that they can translate a single player game into a multiplayer game? Because the more they tell us about it, the more it is looking like a single player game that has MMO elements tacked onto it.
The original Star Wars was good, so was the second one, after that they went downhill.
Oh not that rubbish again. He makes a few good points, but this is what we like to call "nit picking". You take someone that anal and angry, point them at the original 3 movies, and he'll find just as many things wrong with it.
Bit offtopic i know, but its not just Star Wars, he killed Indiana Jones as well.
Number 5 is coming up
dont think many people are waiting for an 70 year old Indiana Jones
Just as a toss in from how Lucas; and we're talking about like a half dozen portions LEC, Lucas etc.... and I can't remember which one, but it's the one that handles games, books etc..., handles what can and can't happen i.e. LORE. They even have a guy with a title; basically Lore Master or some such
With SWG, Lucas saw the movies as 1 lore, books another and the game totally seperate. They did have to all mesh; like you couldn't kill Vader, but other than that he really didn't care, especially about the game (which is pretty much a given now). If that's the same situation here than the game will pretty much be wide open within the set guidelines.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
That was an amazing, professional review. I am so glad you linked it for us. My views on the films are forever changed.
Robots will kill you!
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I watched them all recently, and the original three are better than the new 3, but watching them now was a lot worse than when I watched them as a kid. I remember being much more excited about them back then... when I watched all 6 a week or so ago (recorded them off of TV, I don't own them) I just wasn't feeling it as much. Maybe its because I've seen them all before, but even the original 3 I used to love, I only got through the first 2 and half of the 3rd before I was utterly bored. When I was a kid Jedi was my favorite too.
Very very poor thread, with no real argument behind it. Another example of someone with too much time on their hands. The logic of comparing the films / Lucas Arts being poor and then tarring Bioware with the same brush is a little poor in my opinion. When one is a games developer witha good track record.
I guess you could suggest that the fact Bioware is involved with Lucas arts that all subsequent films will be a major success.
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Lol was just about to post that review when I saw you already done it.
You are right, THAT says it ALL, however, dosent mean the game will suck,
just that the Phantom menace plays in the same league as the movie Batman & Robin.
Want to tell me what was wrong with Indy 4? It was a hell of a lot better than Indy 2.
The Indiana Jones movies have always been throwbacks to the old 40s adventure serials. When they moved into the 50s, the focus became 50s B movies, many of which revolved around aliens, and had jokes about nukes and fallouts, and hiding under tables and in fridges.
You cannot with a straight face tell me that all the Indy movies have been serious and realistic. You have faces melting in the first movie. You have VOODOO and MIND CONTROL in the second. And you want to complain about a 5 second shot of some aliens in a temple? Actually, they weren't even aliens, they were "interdimensional beings". Frankly. I could care less WHAT they were, the entire point is, they were powerful beings that an ancient people worshiped. Who knows, maybe the God the jews worshiped, that powered the Ark, were just aliens.
I'm sick of stupid people.
Personally I'm just screenshoting post so I can make people feel foolsih after the game sells an astronmical amount. Petty I know, but that's just how I roll.
As for Episodes 1-3 It depends on what generation you are in, Most kids-late teen prefer 1-3 over 4-6, you can pretty much date yourself by your position on that.
Did George Lucas do something naughty to you?
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
You're right that the indiana jones films were not always realistic.. they were often about the mystery of the artifacts and what not. They followed a good portion of what made Indiana Jones popular in the fourth, but even the actors knew it wasn't a great movie and were quoted as saying so.