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MMO´s industry and FFXIV.
Skieve
Member Posts: 190
I was going to respond to the many threads made but ill just start a new one so i dont have to keep posting the same over and over.
First over the jump/swim.
By no means i am saying jump/swim is good or bad. This is the never endless argument of who came first the chiken or the egg.Is not what im geting at.
First of all lets start by saying no, FFXIV wont have jump nor swim at release.(yes it will have /sit that other thread is based on what )Doubtfully they will EVER add this features to the game at all.They never cared about this aspect much in the FF saga, so doubtfully they will change their point of view about this.Wrong or right, only time can tell.
Todays leads MMORPG on the market atm all are leaning to more MMO and less RPG more and more.I wont take sides and say is a good or bad thin, but the MMO part definely makes a lot more money, especially since NA alone have 50% of the subs from all MMOs in the world, and NA tends to lean more for MMO than RPG games in general.By no means im alienating NAs as i was born in america myself , even if as now i live in spain.
Now,what SE is doing is concentrating into the RPG side of the MMORPGs.They are following their IP FF and adapting it into a MMO. They did it with XI and the dificulty and group centered system wasnt to the liking of a big part of the comunity of the MMO industry.With XIV they whant the game to be more solo friendly , but will still be a group centered game.They tryed to change XI into a more solo friendly game , but the hardware limitations of PS2 wouldnt let them evolve XI, so they decided to start from sratch and create a new one w-o making the same mistakes, But keeping the core of what a FF game is.By no means im saying FFXI= FFXIV, no , but FFXIV= a FF RPG GAME.
So when people say SE is taking a step back, for not adding comun features to todays industry, they are totally right.But this does not mean the game wont be as inmersive as any FF up untill now.Unfortunatly , the new wave of gamers demans more basic thins , and less complex features. So problably the game wont be as succesfull as it should have been , Never the less it wont fail as a monetary point of view, for a very basic reason. The eastern market alone can and will give enough subs to keep the game alive.
I put an example of another game who is very similar to FFXIV not in genre, but in the ideals and the way it was released-developed. Monster Hunter 3, when the discussion about the combat style of FFXIV complains started.To make it short, MH3 controls are terrible,you cant jump ( figures you can swim) yet it was for a long time best seller game in japan, while the sells on the western market werent near as good.
I think somethin very similar will happen with FFXIV. From my point of view i am more of a rpg gamer than an MMO, so i personally will enjoy it to its fullest.
Another strong point of FFXIV ( and this is what made the whole hype about it, altought this is based on FFXI alone since at the stage the game is NONE can tell what the end game on FFXIV will be like ) is everyone is expecting an end game as diverse as its predesesor.For MMOs to stay alive , they need to constantly have challenges for veterans to keep enjoying it and not get bored, and it was the most sucesfull aspect of FFXI.
On top of staying "out of line" with the current MMO´s flow, they are even taking more risks by adding the new armory system.I am more concerned about this working out than everythin you guys have been debating about.This system is so complex that in order to keep balance is going to be really hard on the long run. It is a PvE game so is not as hard to balance as it would be on a PvP centered game but the fact still remains, you can make your own class.As fun as it may sound i expect a lot of problems in the future when trying to balance everythin out. But in the mean time this will be a hella exciting road ahead.
By no means im trying to make the awfull statment of " if you dont like it go away ", but unfortunatly SE its making the game THEIR WAY. So is really hard to explain to people why and why not of thins.
To sumarize the wall of text,while it will have a lot more players from NA than FFXI, it wont be as succesfull on this market as other expected games like GW2 and such, for the reasons i stated above.
Everythin i posted is of course my personal opinion on the subject, but i know a lot of you will get to find your home on this master piece RPG.
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You know, I just love boiling it down to the pure essence of the argument. Do you bitch when you go to Wendy's that they don't serve Big Macs?
Square Enix is it's own influence. Sure, they'll have a look outside their box to see who is doing what, but their vision of a finished product is solid. Sticking to your guns and your core principles, be it in business or personal ethics is an admirable trait.
I for one would hate for this game to be yet another vanilla title, trying to be something it's not meant to be.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Of course not, BigMac are a trademarked and different product. However I, and im sure you too, would be pretty annoye dif they gave you a burger on a bun and then said "No, we don't allow you to put condiments (like lettuce, tomato, ketchup, etc) on our burgers". Its more about having the option to do things. Does the fact that Wendy's allow syou to add condiments make them completely identical to McDonalds? No. But theyre both succesful companies who while sharing lots of common traits / products both have their own flavor / style.
Adding pretty standard things like jumping and swimming does not = it's just another WoW clone or whatever. It's simply one feature that many would like to see in the game so that they have those options. Limiting you so much by not allowing those things basically puts the game on rails and makes it way more linear than it need be.
You, my friend, are a regular Billy Shakespeare. The above part of your post sums up 90% of the posts I have made on this website. I agree completely. There are two very popular MMOs on this website that I tried and absolutely hated but I don't feel the need to constantly bitch on their forums about it. I just moved on to games I did like. Apparently, that's a novel idea to lots of folks.
Have my babies please, you sumed it up very nicely
Cast In The Name Of God, Ye Not Guilty
I see your point. I don't have much right to criticize what you like and don't like.
The thing is, ultimately, you can't please everyone. One man's thrill is another man's nightmare. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself, "Does this game have enough elements to keep me interested or not?".
Square Enix is going to push out the kind of game they envisioned after considering both their own view and the input of their testers. What they choose to incorporate into their game will depend on both the risk/reward factor and their initial artistic integrity.
The final choice is yours regardless, but you have to look at the big picture here.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I cant believe people would defend the fact you cant swim or jump.
I can understand..yeah it sucks but the rest of the game is pretty good so I can make due without it, but NOOO, these people violently defend SE's decision as some sort of grassroots uprising. PLEASE
To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.
Maybe you should start believing that.
What you meant to say was.....
"If you believe that people are frikkin idiots, then it shouldnt be a leap to believe that people would defend the fact you cant swim or jump."
To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.
you knw op all your goign to get is people QQing wonderign why there no swiming and jumping i honestly dont think that what makes an mmo
why the hell do you care so much?
By no means, i think personally that swim/jump is a great feature.But after playing the beta i didnt miss it at all,so i can understand SE point of view on the subject. Thats all there is to it.
But as i stated on the OP is a huge risk their taking .
i just dont expect there to be jumping and swiming in a ff game. i dont mind the feature in otehr mmos BUT i havetn found an mmo that i really like that has it. SO please stop QQing about it people
This is why is hard to reason with some people without saying, If you dont like it GTFO.
he doesnt even plan on playing it. so i dont know what his beef is. and ff xiv will get at least as many subscribers as ffxi 500k subs is plenty. but they might actully break 1 mill since its more causual friendly i dont think people quit ffxi because there was no jumping or swiming.
I've always personally found it odd that characters could jump around and swim so easily decked out in all sorts of equipment.
I want to defend it just to spite you because I think you're simple and close-minded. Tit-for-tat and what-have-you.
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Front: UNO Chemistry Club
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lol.. Post of the day right there.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Im actually very surprised and anoyed how everyone is making a fuz about jump, and none have said anythin bout the make your own class system yet,when this is somethin kinda new and risky.
Bitching is a western passtime rivaled only by ego inflating. Focusing on positive or innovative points is too great a stretch of the imagination.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
SE is doing the smart thing - they're building a game that's designed to cater to a specific base that is both well-defined and loyal.
No MMO that has tried to replicate WoW's success has succeeded. MMOs that have gone out of their way to not be WoW have generally done very well (on a relative scale, of course). There's simply too many binary condiations built into the mechanics of any game, let alone an MMO, that make it impossible for a game to be all things to all people.
Like I said in another thread, the magic number seems to be 200K to a million. Any smaller and they can't afford to keep pushing out good content, aiming for any bigger results in a game that tries to please everyone and pleases no-one. I don't care if eleventy million people are playing my MMO and don't really understand why it's such a big deal to some people. As long as I'm having fun, that's all that really matters.
Are you really going to float up in another post and start this garbage all over again? Move on to another game if it bothers you so much.
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Really hungry now. : ( This thread has caused me hunger pains.
IMO I could care less about watching every jack piece running by jumping spinning in the air and the what have you that comes with it. Next thing you know there will be a thread about not having any flying mounts or some other crap. WTF u mean i cant shape shift!??! wish you all would go play ur game that gives all these gimmicks to keep ur dollars spent on them and leave this games furoms alone to peeps that have legit disscussion or intel on this game. Seriously, all this game is bringing and we typing about jumping, lol.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
WHAT NO JUMPING? THATS IT I WILL NOT PLAY IF IT HAS NO JUMPING!
Ok now that that is over, I dont care lol, just thought I start on the whole no jumping controversy in another thread since they seem to want to talk about it.
With that out of the way here is what I got!
I CHOSE YOU FFXIV! Got to catch them all.
Have the people complaining about the lack of Jump and/or Swim ever played a Final Fantasy title before? I challenge any of you to go pick up a FF title, play it for longer than five minutes and then complain that it doesn't allow you to jump or swim. Its an Mmorpg based around the FF Rpg, which is a huge market in the east and a niche market in the west. I'm not normally one to be so blunt, but I agree with the people being labeled "Fanboi's" : If you don't like it, don't buy it and stop complaining. This isn't WoW where the Devs will cater to anyone holding a tissue box, they know what they want in the game and their NICHE market doesn't give a tail about jumping or the ability to swim. This new generation of Mmo gamer is astounding, pick a game you personally enjoy ... don't change a game to make it enjoyable for you personally.