I am not sure this reivew was taken by english or not, but the version I saw from another Asia website is different than this one on "hardware mouse" . do we know what is' Hardware mouse" ? it is not a regular pc mouse by my understanding. I think they will address the pc mouse issue before launch but not implement a ' Hardware mouse' there at release day.
"Hardware" mouse means the mouse is placed on a position on the screen relative to where you physically moved it. While the term can be pretty misleading since software still translates the position from the hardware, the difference between it and a software mouse is vast.
A "Software" mouse moves on the screen based off frame rate. If you move the mouse while your frames are lagging, it won't get a direct translation of where you moved the mouse from and to relative to how to moved it in real life (and sensitivity settings in game), instead you'll get it based on how the software read it, which was currently lagging and thus you'll get a laggy translation if you even manage to get one at all.
What really baffles me is you are taught how to do a hardware mouse in any programming class that deals with Windows applications and FFXI obviously uses some Windows API or else it wouldn't work in Windows mode, yet they don't seem to want to add a hardware mouse despite it doing wonders for performance and fluidity of mouse control. Heck, I'm by no means a great programmer and even I know how to create a hardware mouse and translate it into game code with little effort so I don't think it's a matter of SE programmers being incapable of doing it.
They added hardware mouse to XI after launch, and will prob do the same for XIV. The point is XIV is designed around a controller, or being able to use the keyboard entirely with no mouse. That isn't saying they aren't trying to accomodate the other style.
Really I am blown away by how many people would decide whether or not to play an mmo, a game you are likely to spend months if not years playing, based on something as simple as the control scheme or UI. I mean FFXI came along and it took me a week or two to get used to it, but I never even thought twice about it. I just learned the new setup and then found years of entertainment within the game.
This industry standard crap is BS. It creates stagnation and people should be more open minded. You guys just see something and immediately focus on everything that could possibly be negative about it without even considering the positive or even how it might play out. It's pretty sad, but this whole funk going on in the industry is because of people like you. These forums have gotten as sad as this industry.
After 5yrs of playing FFXI and adjusting my controlls to fit the keyboard only so that i never touched a mouse, i actually hate when i play other MMO and can not actually change the controls so that i can just use the keyboard. I personally like that XIV is built to initially be used without the mouse (something that they have already stated is now or soon to be (pre launch) added.
I understand the i'm used to this layout, so you would like to keep using it, but its obvious that diferent games are built for different setups, so be the true gamer that you claim to be and lear how to adjust to the new games control setup and see how well it ctually works before crying that you cant use the old method you may be used to.
Only on MMORPG.com will you find someone who is providing mankind with the invaluable service of playing video games and posting on forums question quite possibly the most intelligent man our species has ever produced.
But you keep on trucking there GT, our entire universe would collapse if not for your amazing contributions that have single-handedly cured cancer, aids, and cleft thumb.
As for being on topic, I'm in the beta but I can't play, the performance is absolutely abysmal on even fairly low settings (E8400 @ 3.06Ghz, 8GB DDR2, 280GTX). If the performance issue isn't cleared up by launch I won't be playing FF14.
I'm running off of a 2.5Ghz dual core, 4GB DDR2, and an Radeon 5670HD running off an external PCI-E 1 x1 slot. I can run the game on standard settings and it runs fine... Got everything updated over there?
However, I had to buy a giant fan for my external GPU (the 5670) and point it at it while I play. Otherwise it overheats and causes horrid lag.
It's my video card. When Beta 3 hit something happened to Nvidia performance. It simply tanked. The game doesn't even utilize 30% of my card (whereas yours is being utilized 100% and that's why it's overheating) Something on SEs end. Hopefully it's cleared up before launch. Otherwise I should be getting better performance than you are.
The part of this that's really oddball is the fact that the ps3 is powered by an Nvidia chip, so it'd make complete sense if the game wasn't optimized for ATI cards and provided significantly better performance on Nvidia cards, yet that's clearly not the case. I'm just hoping someone at SE forgot the carry the 1 or something and that's why the game is a slideshow on my fairly powerful PC.
Performance is acceptable with my GTX 460 (MSI Overclocked 1GB version). Anywhere from 30-59 FPS, but I only started a few days ago so can't comment on previous builds. This is with everything maxed, except shadows and AA.
I agree though, something is defintately not right there if your performance is that bad. Hopefully OB will improve things on that front.
dont' forget. FF XI was kinda "hard core". no casual gamer played that game, to my knowledge anyway. I heard it was more of a grind fest to get to max level, but max level was uber fun; again, what I heard. it sucks yea but im sure it kept a lot of 15 year olds out of end game raiding *pointing at wow*
They added hardware mouse to XI after launch, and will prob do the same for XIV. The point is XIV is designed around a controller, or being able to use the keyboard entirely with no mouse. That isn't saying they aren't trying to accomodate the other style.
Really I am blown away by how many people would decide whether or not to play an mmo, a game you are likely to spend months if not years playing, based on something as simple as the control scheme or UI. I mean FFXI came along and it took me a week or two to get used to it, but I never even thought twice about it. I just learned the new setup and then found years of entertainment within the game.
This industry standard crap is BS. It creates stagnation and people should be more open minded. You guys just see something and immediately focus on everything that could possibly be negative about it without even considering the positive or even how it might play out. It's pretty sad, but this whole funk going on in the industry is because of people like you. These forums have gotten as sad as this industry.
Explain that to ISO 9000 - seems them may need to make some changes based on your edifying observation.
Yeah we don't need to know that by standard (conventional) methods the Hot water is always on the left and Cold water is always on the Right. That a Gas pedal is always on the right and Brake is always on the left.
The reason we have QWERTY? Why we use one TCP stack? Yeah standards, bah who needs 'em...
Innovation does not necessarily equal better or intelligent.
They added hardware mouse to XI after launch, and will prob do the same for XIV. The point is XIV is designed around a controller, or being able to use the keyboard entirely with no mouse. That isn't saying they aren't trying to accomodate the other style.
Really I am blown away by how many people would decide whether or not to play an mmo, a game you are likely to spend months if not years playing, based on something as simple as the control scheme or UI. I mean FFXI came along and it took me a week or two to get used to it, but I never even thought twice about it. I just learned the new setup and then found years of entertainment within the game.
This industry standard crap is BS. It creates stagnation and people should be more open minded. You guys just see something and immediately focus on everything that could possibly be negative about it without even considering the positive or even how it might play out. It's pretty sad, but this whole funk going on in the industry is because of people like you. These forums have gotten as sad as this industry.
Explain that to ISO 9000 - seems them may need to make some changes based on your edifying observation.
Yeah we don't need to know that by standard (conventional) methods the Hot water is always on the left and Cold water is always on the Right. That a Gas pedal is always on the right and Brake is always on the left.
The reason we have QWERTY? Why we use one TCP stack? Yeah standards, bah who needs 'em...
Innovation does not necessarily equal better or intelligent.
Economically, agreed. As far as entertainment goes, however, I don't think my attention will be kept by playing Pong on the Atari for long- if ever.
The MMO genre really needs a boost right about now. How? I dont have the slightest clue. I only imagine new developers look at wow like an ant would gaze at the Sears tower. Quite daunting..
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Originally posted by Etra
Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
Only on MMORPG.com will you find someone who is providing mankind with the invaluable service of playing video games and posting on forums question quite possibly the most intelligent man our species has ever produced. But you keep on trucking there GT, our entire universe would collapse if not for your amazing contributions that have single-handedly cured cancer, aids, and cleft thumb. As for being on topic, I'm in the beta but I can't play, the performance is absolutely abysmal on even fairly low settings (E8400 @ 3.06Ghz, 8GB DDR2, 280GTX). If the performance issue isn't cleared up by launch I won't be playing FF14.
I'm running off of a 2.5Ghz dual core, 4GB DDR2, and an Radeon 5670HD running off an external PCI-E 1 x1 slot. I can run the game on standard settings and it runs fine... Got everything updated over there? However, I had to buy a giant fan for my external GPU (the 5670) and point it at it while I play. Otherwise it overheats and causes horrid lag.
It's my video card. When Beta 3 hit something happened to Nvidia performance. It simply tanked. The game doesn't even utilize 30% of my card (whereas yours is being utilized 100% and that's why it's overheating) Something on SEs end. Hopefully it's cleared up before launch. Otherwise I should be getting better performance than you are. The part of this that's really oddball is the fact that the ps3 is powered by an Nvidia chip, so it'd make complete sense if the game wasn't optimized for ATI cards and provided significantly better performance on Nvidia cards, yet that's clearly not the case. I'm just hoping someone at SE forgot the carry the 1 or something and that's why the game is a slideshow on my fairly powerful PC. Performance is acceptable with my GTX 460 (MSI Overclocked 1GB version). Anywhere from 30-59 FPS, but I only started a few days ago so can't comment on previous builds. This is with everything maxed, except shadows and AA. I agree though, something is defintately not right there if your performance is that bad. Hopefully OB will improve things on that front.
What is your setting for the frame buffer? Half or equal to resolution? Also, what rez are you gaming at. I'd like to know since I'm going to upgrade soon and I won't be getting ATI (I already own a 5870, gave me so many issues that I just pawned it off on my brother and went back to my 280GTX).
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"Hardware" mouse means the mouse is placed on a position on the screen relative to where you physically moved it. While the term can be pretty misleading since software still translates the position from the hardware, the difference between it and a software mouse is vast.
A "Software" mouse moves on the screen based off frame rate. If you move the mouse while your frames are lagging, it won't get a direct translation of where you moved the mouse from and to relative to how to moved it in real life (and sensitivity settings in game), instead you'll get it based on how the software read it, which was currently lagging and thus you'll get a laggy translation if you even manage to get one at all.
What really baffles me is you are taught how to do a hardware mouse in any programming class that deals with Windows applications and FFXI obviously uses some Windows API or else it wouldn't work in Windows mode, yet they don't seem to want to add a hardware mouse despite it doing wonders for performance and fluidity of mouse control. Heck, I'm by no means a great programmer and even I know how to create a hardware mouse and translate it into game code with little effort so I don't think it's a matter of SE programmers being incapable of doing it.
They added hardware mouse to XI after launch, and will prob do the same for XIV. The point is XIV is designed around a controller, or being able to use the keyboard entirely with no mouse. That isn't saying they aren't trying to accomodate the other style.
Really I am blown away by how many people would decide whether or not to play an mmo, a game you are likely to spend months if not years playing, based on something as simple as the control scheme or UI. I mean FFXI came along and it took me a week or two to get used to it, but I never even thought twice about it. I just learned the new setup and then found years of entertainment within the game.
This industry standard crap is BS. It creates stagnation and people should be more open minded. You guys just see something and immediately focus on everything that could possibly be negative about it without even considering the positive or even how it might play out. It's pretty sad, but this whole funk going on in the industry is because of people like you. These forums have gotten as sad as this industry.
After 5yrs of playing FFXI and adjusting my controlls to fit the keyboard only so that i never touched a mouse, i actually hate when i play other MMO and can not actually change the controls so that i can just use the keyboard. I personally like that XIV is built to initially be used without the mouse (something that they have already stated is now or soon to be (pre launch) added.
I understand the i'm used to this layout, so you would like to keep using it, but its obvious that diferent games are built for different setups, so be the true gamer that you claim to be and lear how to adjust to the new games control setup and see how well it ctually works before crying that you cant use the old method you may be used to.
Performance is acceptable with my GTX 460 (MSI Overclocked 1GB version). Anywhere from 30-59 FPS, but I only started a few days ago so can't comment on previous builds. This is with everything maxed, except shadows and AA.
I agree though, something is defintately not right there if your performance is that bad. Hopefully OB will improve things on that front.
dont' forget. FF XI was kinda "hard core". no casual gamer played that game, to my knowledge anyway. I heard it was more of a grind fest to get to max level, but max level was uber fun; again, what I heard. it sucks yea but im sure it kept a lot of 15 year olds out of end game raiding *pointing at wow*
Explain that to ISO 9000 - seems them may need to make some changes based on your edifying observation.
Yeah we don't need to know that by standard (conventional) methods the Hot water is always on the left and Cold water is always on the Right. That a Gas pedal is always on the right and Brake is always on the left.
The reason we have QWERTY? Why we use one TCP stack? Yeah standards, bah who needs 'em...
Innovation does not necessarily equal better or intelligent.
Economically, agreed. As far as entertainment goes, however, I don't think my attention will be kept by playing Pong on the Atari for long- if ever.
The MMO genre really needs a boost right about now. How? I dont have the slightest clue. I only imagine new developers look at wow like an ant would gaze at the Sears tower. Quite daunting..
I'm running off of a 2.5Ghz dual core, 4GB DDR2, and an Radeon 5670HD running off an external PCI-E 1 x1 slot. I can run the game on standard settings and it runs fine... Got everything updated over there?
However, I had to buy a giant fan for my external GPU (the 5670) and point it at it while I play. Otherwise it overheats and causes horrid lag.
It's my video card. When Beta 3 hit something happened to Nvidia performance. It simply tanked. The game doesn't even utilize 30% of my card (whereas yours is being utilized 100% and that's why it's overheating) Something on SEs end. Hopefully it's cleared up before launch. Otherwise I should be getting better performance than you are.
The part of this that's really oddball is the fact that the ps3 is powered by an Nvidia chip, so it'd make complete sense if the game wasn't optimized for ATI cards and provided significantly better performance on Nvidia cards, yet that's clearly not the case. I'm just hoping someone at SE forgot the carry the 1 or something and that's why the game is a slideshow on my fairly powerful PC.
Performance is acceptable with my GTX 460 (MSI Overclocked 1GB version). Anywhere from 30-59 FPS, but I only started a few days ago so can't comment on previous builds. This is with everything maxed, except shadows and AA.
I agree though, something is defintately not right there if your performance is that bad. Hopefully OB will improve things on that front.
What is your setting for the frame buffer? Half or equal to resolution? Also, what rez are you gaming at. I'd like to know since I'm going to upgrade soon and I won't be getting ATI (I already own a 5870, gave me so many issues that I just pawned it off on my brother and went back to my 280GTX).
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