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Except they were discussing it ON their forums. OPENLY. right?
...so?
The inappropriate comment of the GM was removed and public disclaimer of unfair voting was made.
They did all they could/should.
So if I get this right, I could get the hype counter wiped for any game which is not to my liking.
Step 1. Register forum account with said game.
Step 2. Register several mmorpg.com accounts and hype said game.
Step 3. Boast about it on said games forum.
Step 4. Report myself using an alt mmorpg.com account.
Step 5. Said game has hype reset/locked
Step 6. Profit?
Because that's exactly what happend here, because of the actions of a player, completely unrelated to the development team of Perpetuum, the hype was wiped and locked.
Great system you have going there mmorpg.com
Yea..
And im sure of the following...if this was a crappy game (in my opinion) like..lets say STO or CO...they would never disable hype because even if the game is crappy..what is important is the dollars they pay to mmorpg.com
This is a forum, and is meant to make money...so its impossible to be imparcial and not favor the developers paying to this site.
Perpetuum doesnt pay..its a small company.
Just make the game be known in this site...many people might not like this type of game..but as it is ..its in better shape and more ready to release then any other big AAA mmorpgs released in the last years.
All made by 10 people.
The hype rating was between 8 or 9 with little to no advertising on the part of the Perpetuum devs. I'm not sure that's it.
Maybe mmorpg.com didn't trust the low numbers of posters with such high ratings. Just my guess. Cruising the Perpetuum forums would lead me to believe most players would hype the game high, not low. It could just be there's a bug or it's busted somehow.
*edit - "The hype rating", not "They hype rating"
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
If its ok for people to love the game going to gaming forums that love said game and ask them to vote, then it should be ok for people that hate the game to go to forums that hate the game and ask them to "hype" it.
Ah, just read the rest of the thread. If people were openly attempting to manipulate the hype meter, then mmorpg.com was right to check it out. The Perpetuum devs (from what I've read) don't disagree with this. A good hype rating that you cheat to get isn't a good hype rating. It's like taking advantage of an exploit in game. You didn't actually win or succeed, you just bypassed the skill check and collected the loot.
I think Perpetuum deserves a good hype rating, and I think they would have gotten one without the people attempting to manipulate the system. That's the ultimate fail - the people attempting to help the game's hype torpedoed it.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Plain simple : Remove Hype rating untill the game is out and a demo is released.
Best example of bad Hype is STO.
Then it wouldn't be hype anymore, would it?
And in regards to STO... if I'm not mistaken the hype exactly predicted what the game would be ... a piece of trash.
Hype = People voting for something to tell if it's great or not. No demo released, sometime a few screenshot and a text to go with the screeny.
That is just wrong. And STO got hyped really high at the request of the CM.
It's being done all the time. Not just on this website but on many areas where 'user rating' is important, such as Ebay, Tripadvisor, ect..
>Now be careful from this point, I don't intend to defend Perpetuum Online or mmorpg.com; I'm only bringing an independent point of view here.<
In this case, in brings more users to mmorpg.com and it draws attention from mmorpg.com users to Perpetuum Online. Both sides win. The main issue here is this rating doesn't seem to include any 'weight' to user-casted votes. Such weight could include user rating, user weight granted by mmorpg.com's staff, user registration date, post count, ect.. Also, this rating doesn't include the number of votes in its front page; you have to click to reach it. I think it's something they can do easily like the number of hits posted in the 'Most Popular Games' tab.
Finally this website includes much more than a single rating posted 2 or 3 screen heights down into the front page. I don't think it's fair to neither bash on Perpetuum Online for this 'Faux Pas' nor blame the mmorpg.com community for what's happening here.
Then indulge me on what people base themself to hype a game before they even tried it?
From MikeB....
@MrW0lf: I addressed your concerns in our e-mail correspondence and Admin clarified things further above. If you find evidence of other developers abusing our hype/rating meter in a similar fashion you are more than welcome to send it along.
As for the rest of the situation, I believe the matter has been solved in a satisfactory manner for all parties involved and so I am going to go ahead and lock this thread now. Let's get on to discussing the actual game.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/296449/page/5
In any case, I'm not sure if this thread falls under discussing moderation or not but I would assume Perpetuum at least would like fans to refrain from sending more negativity their way. The issue was an unfortunate one and one that could have been avoided. But it happened. It was dealt with and everyone involved find how it was dealt with understandable. If you can not come to terms with this and feel the need to begin a spiteful crusade against MMORPG.com for it the end result will not be the one you are likely desiring. It will simply lead to a less than fair view on the Perpetuum community.
My advice would be to let it go and move on as there is absolutely no good that could come of this.
"Vote for what I want."
"Sorry that's illegal."
"What's illegal?"
"Asking people to vote for what you want."
"What's not illegal?"
"ASking people to vote for what I want."
MMORPG.com negative credibility rising. Go go Perpetuum! Fight for every customer agianst the powers that be! lol
Nobody was trying to manipulate anything...
A dev asked users to come here and use the hype meter period.
Nobody said :hype the game to 10, or make multiple accs to hype various times to 10...he just made people know that theres a hype meter in this site and said for people to come here use it...whats wrong with that.
I think people dont read whats in the posts they read 2 or 3 key words fantasize the rest.
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topic/2514/mmorpg-perpetuum-ratehype/
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Been making alt accounts and hyping it higher over the last week. I see it's working well.
Let's see how many more it takes to reach #1.
This whole fiasco probably brought more attention to Perpetuum Online and got more people talking about it than any amount of hype on the "hype meter" ever could. I imagine alot of people who didn't know a thing about the game got curious and took a look because it was getting some forum attention, good or bad. I know I did.
I really don't understand why they would disable the hype meter over people making alt accounts and hyping something. If they did it with this game, they might as well do it for all the high ranking games on the list. People make alt accounts to hype games. They've been doing it for years, and they'll continue to do so... why police it just for this one game?
Seriously people are mad at MMORPG.com? All they did was enforce the rules. If you had been on the Perpetuum boards, read the other thread here that started yesterday, or read the statement from MMORPG.com as to why they did this, you probably wouldn't be.
The problem was not that a Perpetuum GM asked people to go to MMORPG.com and cast a vote concerning Hype. The problem was that they specifically stated "Help us get the hype to an 8.0." At the time the score was below an 8.0. At this point the staff at Perpetuum is no longer telling people to go and cast their opinion on MMORPG.com they are telling them to cast a vote that is above the current rating. Therefore, they are not only asking people to vote, but telling them what to vote as well. That's what the problem was. Companies don't have to pay MMORPG.com anything to "hype" their product through the hype ratings. That's totally up to users and developers can certainly ask players of their game to go to this site and cast a vote that is representative of what the player believes the hype rating to be. However, developers cannot say "Hey everyone, go to mmorpg.com and vote this game an 8.0 or better." See the difference?
Steam: Neph
You are wrong. Take your own advice and go read the thread on the Perpetuum forums if it's still there (the link is in the other thread here about this issue). The GM in question specifically said in his first post on the Perpetuum boards that he wanted to get the hype to 8.0 or higher. That's akin to saying go to MMORPG.com and vote for a hype of 8.0 or better regardless of your personal opinion. He did not simply say "Hey guys there's a meter were you can vote a rating for our game on MMORPG.com. Go check it out."
Steam: Neph
Yep, this was the crux of the problem in a nutshell. GM has even acknowledged the folly of it and has since edited his post.
Doesnt matter...Perpetuum deserves 8 score hype anyday....the same cannot be said about most mmos that came out in the last years.
Hype is irrelevant as some people say and as hype itself from crappy games beying so high, so let the hype alone.
Some GMs and Devs just can't leave well enough alone *sigh*
I personally haven't heard anything about Perpetuum online
Not to be an ass, but you kind of were the one that made a big deal about all of this lol. In any case, it's nice to see you move on. I do hope you enjoy your game of choice