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Battlegrounds has destroyed MMORPG PvP.
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Why would i want to sacrifice FUN in my game in the name of realism? A mage throwing fireballs are not realistic ANYWAY.
So what if i see fewer people. On my monitor, i can't tell between 100 and 200 anyway.
Agreed they need to focus more on world pvp
For 10 years people playing CS with same maps so logic says they play for years BG same maps, boring but thats what many wants, for them its fun hehe.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Why do you even care?
Just play and support the games that offer what you want and leave others to do the same with the one's they want.
Asking people to communicate why they like something you don't when you really don't wanna hear them anyhow is a no win.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
I'd like to see a combination of DAoC, Shadowbane, Darkfall etc.
Shadowbane was awesome but losing everything sucked. The huge battles in DAoC were a blast but needed more depth.
Acutally, throw in the SWG TEF system to the above and there would be some serious fun.
But yeah, BGs suck.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
If battleground PvP destroyed or is destroying world PvP, then world PvP is weak, and should die.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
its a combination that destroyed world pvp.
Battlegrounds and flying mounts.
+ i have to say instances. The open world is empty apart from a few people leveling. there is no fun in ganking low levels. So world pvp died under that combination.
+1
but then i dont play games like wow, gw2 and such anymore since they are all just boring and the combat isnt exciting and fun.. i prefer full loot open world sandbox pvp/games
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What a very strange statement.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
This guy has the right reasoning, but don't except AAA development out of the games that are trying shit outside the box.
Currently playing - FF14ARR
Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.
This year 2 games come along and do it very well / fairly good - ps2 & gw2 and look how popular it is.
Ps2 keeps adding servers
WvW is by far the most popular activity in gw2
Lets see:
- provocative and exaggerated title
- Argument presented in a way not to encourage debate and discussion but to start an argument.
Yep, it's a troll thread. No need to feed it further. This has been discussed to death. If the OP doesn't get it now there is no hope for him.
Destroyed?
There are games that are basically nothing but battlegrounds (LOL, WOT ...) and they are more popular than MMOs. It is just preference. It is obvious that there is a market for e-sport type pvp.
have you read the op?
we are talking about open world pvp being non existant. because of battlegrounds instances and their rewards.
and seriously. what are u still doing here? with evry post u make you point out that you don't like MMO's you want quick and instant fun. there 20 other genres out there that give you that pleasure. begone please....
I like pve and pvp, i want both. But hate being told to go here to do this or that. I enjoy crafting, decorating, exploring, etc....... Sometimes you need to mix it up and do a little pvp to get a rush.
I just dont like instanced pvp, it makes the game feel..........linear i guess you could say. I like the option to move, run, retreat, get back up, have massive fights, etc...... Just dont get the same feeling on an open world game as i do with games having warzones/battlegrounds. Now im a crafter mostly in mmo's, i like to build things and sell them (business aspect). But when i want to pvp, which is often, i want real pvp!
Strange? If world PvP***** as a game mechanic isn't strong enough*, and is being replaced**** by something****** that is stronger**, then things******* are working exactly as they********* should. Players*** are choosing the things******** they want.
* 'strong enough' means that it attracts enough of an audience that a significant number of people partake.
** 'stronger' means that it attracts more people than other available options, to the point that the other option or options are used by a very small percentage of available players.
*** 'Players', in this context just means a majority or large majority of the available players.
**** 'replaced' in this context means a large majority of players have the option to participate, but choose not to participate.
***** I have no idea what 'world pvp' means in this context. Is it FFA PvP or RvR/WvW PvP? What about faction based open world PvP?
****** One or more different types of PvP.
******* 'things' means game mechanics being chosen by players.
******** 'things' in particular references the different available types of PvP.
********* 'they' references the 'things' that references game mechanics chosen by players.
** edit **
It's half a Christmas Tree! Merry Christmas everyone!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Am I meant to read* through that mess**?
* Look at written/printed medium.
** A cluttered, untidy, confused and muddling post.
Merry Christmas!
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
And MMO is now one of those 20 genres that gives me taht pleasure ... 1/20 is not much .. but i will take it too.
And you may also notice that this site covers D3, LOL, WOT, DDO .. all without worlds.
It got rejected because that world pvp is not what actual world-pvp'ers want, and casuals never wanted that stuff either.
We (the world-pvp/ffa-pvp'ers) want to fight over, and own, villages/holdings/forts/castles. We want to engage in clan politics, making and breaking alliances and all that good stuff.
Lineage 2, Darkfall and EVE springs to mind as examples.
Making the 'world pvp' into "Battleground Light" is misguided, and goes to show that the developers don't have a finger on the pulse of the section of the community that lobbies (or cries, as it were) for proper open world pvp.
The first requirement for a solid world-pvp is that there are no pre-determined factions (Like in WoW and Aion). You want the players to make their own factions. Once you have that sorted, you'll see politics flourish as these factions fight over resources and holdings -- with this flourishing comes good things and bad things, but in my opinion the good outshines the bad.
I recognize that it's near impossible to balance a game with a world pvp like that when you have a gear-focused game like WoW.
If Darkfall hadn't sucked on so many levels, I don't think people would even have bothered trying to get proper world-pvp into wow.
Personally I'm waiting for Darkfall: Unholy Wars, hoping it won't suck as much as the original.
OP doesn't seem to understand that it is two different forms of PVP. You can like both for different reasons.
When I played EVE I enjoyed PVP for the thrill and surprise, not as a way to test my skills against other players. If I want to test my skills in an objective way, I need a more structural and tournament based PVP where skill can be measured within clear boundaries. Apples, oranges.
EDIT: I didn't answer the poll. When a game has PVP or PVE servers, the game is usually designed with PVE in mind. In my experience open world PVP in a game designed for PVE is bad. I only play FFA PVP games that are designed for FFA PVP. So the question if I play on PVE or PVP server is useless for me.