I hate to be pointing out the obvious here - but where in all of this are you surprised? There's a reason why few people play these things to begin with. They are and have historically always been (other than Shadowbane RIP) been a half arsed attempt to bring to light a the lackluster imagination of a dedicated few.
Nothing to see here. But my heart goes with you and you are right about the stand up part - more folks need to do this across the board. Otherwise we will continue to be inundated with mediocrity in every mmorpg genre.
@ Comaf:
You really need to be more specific.
These things = ? (Sandbox games, full loot , Open PVP, or independent games just to name a couple things you may have meant)
Unless you are more specific, I really don't see how Shadowbane can be an exmple of doing things right and EVE is not.
@ Phelcher:
Your assertions about the populations are based on... Perhaps you could share your methodology.
are you new around here? IRC/forums is 50% of the fucking game. everytime i see someone permabanned from IRC, i pretty much assume he'll quit soon because with the detachment from the much-needed community-based channels (irc/forums) makes the game very stale and boring. it's fucking stupid.
kootenay said to me once that trolling irc twice is worse than picking on some random guy for having cerebral palsy or cancer or any other condition once.
I am well aware how forums and the IRC can be more than the game to some people, and I also know how downhill it has gone in the recent months and how the mods contributed to the deterioration of such means of meta-gaming.
That said, if you think thats why the game is suffering you need a reality check. Most of the people currently paying for MO don't even know what IRC is much less that there is a stratics server with a #mortalonline channel.
The whole reason the player base is as small as it is now is because SV is too incompetent to understand the fix the situation. Dawn brought back a lot more players but Henrik is very unprofessional and impatient but is in his early 20's. He rushed out Dawn knowing full well these systems did not work yet he wanted money and didn't care so out it went and the player base steadily declined. The player base was decent during the big war but then the FAILED bug arose with the big battles and ruined the fun. I honestly don't understand how a company like star vault still managed to have bugs like FAILED a year after release. Don't worry though, it is not a leadership problem like Henrik proclaims but a resource problems. Your wrong and right, your wrong in the sense that you blame the game's failures solely on resources and not yourself. Your the leader of the company that makes MO, get your mindset right or have your company toss you to a curb and get someone who isn't all talk and no game. You feel the need to constantly tell us how the game is going to be but all I see is patches with half ass systems and more bugs then additions. I really don't understand Henrik at all. I'm not sure if he thought since he got a 2 year degree in game design he could make an MO no one has ever seen and become rich with almost no experience which you say you have 10+ years. He just sounds very unprofessional and seems the only team he could lead would be the special Olympics because it doesn't matter if you win or lose, you are still winners. This game is failing and I put all blame on Henrik for lack of leadership, experience, responsibility to the game and company, and his unprofessional-ism for hiring garbage GM's and Mods. If his rich dad never financed this game, it would have never been. Look at companies like Tripwire, they made Red Orchestra which was a big hit and won best mod of the year and got the license for the unreal engine for free, they earned what they received and then made Red Orchestra 2 which is a great game that patches often and doesn't include a shit ton of bugs.
I put in the notion that Henrik is fired from StarVault and either sold to a decent company capable of fixing MO or Henrik is replaced by someone who is professional and knows what needs to be done and does so accordingly.
Make Changes or get Fricked Suckers.
Edit: Also why are a lot of AI guild members mods?
Shinzon = BlackOpal
Sindas = Talwin
Laylah = Bathory
AI are SV's presonal assistants but corrupt as butt.
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are you new around here? IRC/forums is 50% of the fucking game. everytime i see someone permabanned from IRC, i pretty much assume he'll quit soon because with the detachment from the much-needed community-based channels (irc/forums) makes the game very stale and boring. it's fucking stupid.
kootenay said to me once that trolling irc twice is worse than picking on some random guy for having cerebral palsy or cancer or any other condition once.
I am well aware how forums and the IRC can be more than the game to some people, and I also know how downhill it has gone in the recent months and how the mods contributed to the deterioration of such means of meta-gaming.
That said, if you think thats why the game is suffering you need a reality check. Most of the people currently paying for MO don't even know what IRC is much less that there is a stratics server with a #mortalonline channel.
The whole reason the player base is as small as it is now is because SV is too incompetent to understand the fix the situation. Dawn brought back a lot more players but Henrik is very unprofessional and impatient but is in his early 20's. He rushed out Dawn knowing full well these systems did not work yet he wanted money and didn't care so out it went and the player base steadily declined. The player base was decent during the big war but then the FAILED bug arose with the big battles and ruined the fun. I honestly don't understand how a company like star vault still managed to have bugs like FAILED a year after release. Don't worry though, it is not a leadership problem like Henrik proclaims but a resource problems. Your wrong and right, your wrong in the sense that you blame the game's failures solely on resources and not yourself. Your the leader of the company that makes MO, get your mindset right or have your company toss you to a curb and get someone who isn't all talk and no game. You feel the need to constantly tell us how the game is going to be but all I see is patches with half ass systems and more bugs then additions. I really don't understand Henrik at all. I'm not sure if he thought since he got a 2 year degree in game design he could make an MO no one has ever seen and become rich with almost no experience which you say you have 10+ years. He just sounds very unprofessional and seems the only team he could lead would be the special Olympics because it doesn't matter if you win or lose, you are still winners. This game is failing and I put all blame on Henrik for lack of leadership, experience, responsibility to the game and company, and his unprofessional-ism for hiring garbage GM's and Mods. If his rich dad never financed this game, it would have never been. Look at companies like Tripwire, they made Red Orchestra which was a big hit and won best mod of the year and got the license for the unreal engine for free, they earned what they received and then made Red Orchestra 2 which is a great game that patches often and doesn't include a shit ton of bugs.
I put in the notion that Henrik is fired from StarVault and either sold to a decent company capable of fixing MO or Henrik is replaced by someone who is professional and knows what needs to be done and does so accordingly.
Make Changes or get Fricked Suckers.
Edit: Also why are a lot of AI guild members mods?
Shinzon = BlackOpal
Sindas = Talwin
Laylah = Bathory
AI are SV's presonal assistants but corrupt as butt.
God I love angry sully for jumping on the grenade and posting this. I am sure he is perma banned now. But I can not believe they put the people from the same guild in all the power positions of the moderation and community.
Shinzon is a double crossing back stabbing manipulator. My guild dealt with him many times and the gms and henrik always showed them favortism. Like I said before when we stole their keep spot legally we had 3 gms and henrik himself show up in game to ask wtf we were doing. I then killed Henrik #self applause# tell me one other time henrik himself showed up in game to tell people I am gonna roll back the server so AI can get the keep spot. The only reason he sisn't do it is because we had atleast 100 people there and we all said we would quit if he did that. Any guild that has dealt with Shinzon can atest to his shadyness if Syndic would please jump in here and tell some stories that would be nice CIR dealt with him more than Prophecy.
Also after Dawn AI was the first guild to put a tower up. Just a coincidence?? Or is some of them on the tester team??
The whole system is corrupt.
But it is a joke Talwin and Sindas are best of buds do you think either one of them is going top trump the other for any other player??
God I love angry sully for jumping on the grenade and posting this. I am sure he is perma banned now. But I can not believe they put the people from the same guild in all the power positions of the moderation and community.
Yep, he is banned. Did not expect Bathory to be Laylah thou.
Yeah since some jerk stole my username I have to settle with this. Basically all I said was true and they banned me for two months for "attempting to cause trouble" which is pretty dumb.
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If any of you checked the forums like a month or two before, they made an announcement that if anyone posted anything against mortal online, it would be deleted as soon as it went up because they needed investments and didn't want to look bad. It's pretty funny how bad of a company SV is. If any of you remember a member named Mr Winter, he was in AI and was one of the first mods for MO until they found out a while later he was only 16 and wasn't even old enough to sign the NDA which is pretty funny. If SV wants to allow Henrik to shit on their company and bring it down along with himself and father who is giving Henrik an allowance for his science project, he can go ahead. They are including a "big" territory patch that will rock our socks off except it won't be out for probably a few months and this system should have already been put in place when the game released. You can't expect big things when the lead game designer and owner of SV only has a 2 year degree in game design and nothing else. This game is more of a get rich quick scam for Henrik and his immaturity shows pretty openly whenever you see him post blaming resources for their woes. All I can say to Henrik is eat dirt and work those scrawny noodle arms.
I haven't played this game, however, i've watched the forum postings here with interest and it seems just like what happened to Faxion last month. the team went AWOL, no one heard anything for weeks and then BAM....announcement of a shut down. That game was pretty bad, but MO seems to be a much better product. I'd hate to see it completely blow into dust just because i know there are quite a few of you loyal to it.
God I love angry sully for jumping on the grenade and posting this. I am sure he is perma banned now. But I can not believe they put the people from the same guild in all the power positions of the moderation and community.
Shinzon is a double crossing back stabbing manipulator. My guild dealt with him many times and the gms and henrik always showed them favortism. Like I said before when we stole their keep spot legally we had 3 gms and henrik himself show up in game to ask wtf we were doing. I then killed Henrik #self applause# tell me one other time henrik himself showed up in game to tell people I am gonna roll back the server so AI can get the keep spot. The only reason he sisn't do it is because we had atleast 100 people there and we all said we would quit if he did that. Any guild that has dealt with Shinzon can atest to his shadyness if Syndic would please jump in here and tell some stories that would be nice CIR dealt with him more than Prophecy.
Also after Dawn AI was the first guild to put a tower up. Just a coincidence?? Or is some of them on the tester team??
The whole system is corrupt.
But it is a joke Talwin and Sindas are best of buds do you think either one of them is going top trump the other for any other player??
Yup, the whole system is corrupt.
AI as a guild have been given free keep deeds in Beta to "test it", they did such a good job that when we were constructing our keep (the first one on the server) on release we discovered that just trying to lock the chest in an unfinished keep would result in an immediate server crash.
The fun thing when Prophecy took "their" Keep spot, half of the GM team (at the time) connected to the GM ventrillo server and started going on how they're "here to speak on behalf of AI". At that point I stepped in and told Henrik to take a good look at how many players and accounts are on that island (~100-150+ from CIR, Prophecy, 13, ODL, SyVi, OL, RUS, others..) because if he rolled back the server they'd all be quitting. So being a smart car-salesman, Henrik and Maerlyn had a little Skype conference call with Shinzon to explain to him why he couldn't have "his" keep spot back. He still doesn't have it, I do. Or at least, our Russian brosefs in MO do.
Their guild-GM accounts were also instrumental - along with Challe - in killing the Risars (with the GM commands) in the Risar Dungeon to farm steel & rubars back when they were dropped in crazy amounts.
It was also entertaining when Rubars (most valuable item for vendoring at the time) were spawned in their walls.
But none of that helped AI. Regardless of how much they had the Devs ears and Henrik at their beck and call, they still lost everything they ever attempted to create; because when we discovered the full lenght of the bull**** we started playing by their rules. My last contact with AI was when we broke their palisades and destroyed their houses with boomsticks in ~15 minutes.
I'm sure most of the GM team is again composed of AI members too. It was when I joined, unfortunately someone reported them taking advantage of their GM powers for their guild... And then for a brief moment, there was none.
Don't forget during the first 1-2 weeks after release AI were the first to "kill" the risar chieftan and which actually consisted of AI getting teleported through special doors by the Dev team and when we found out they were in there killing it, we camped outside with around 5-10 guys and the Devs (Challe) http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/46321-log-out-shin-log-out.html. After that situation, the situation happened when you guys found the rubers in the wall and then people were realizing the Dev team is corrupt as dirt. You're also right that AI got all the help in the world to dominate but they all sucked at PvP so they got demolished and cried to Henrik. I saw shinzon when hunger system got first introduced when he went to the jungle (probably getting tower deeds) and I had only 20 hp due to no food reserves and he couldn't even kill me. Whenever I post anything even remotely negative now I get one infraction and re-banned for 2 months.
Don't forget during the first 1-2 weeks after release AI were the first to "kill" the risar chieftan and which actually consisted of AI getting teleported through special doors by the Dev team and when we found out they were in there killing it, we camped outside with around 5-10 guys and the Devs (Challe) http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/46321-log-out-shin-log-out.html. After that situation, the situation happened when you guys found the rubers in the wall and then people were realizing the Dev team is corrupt as dirt. You're also right that AI got all the help in the world to dominate but they all sucked at PvP so they got demolished and cried to Henrik. I saw shinzon when hunger system got first introduced when he went to the jungle (probably getting tower deeds) and I had only 20 hp due to no food reserves and he couldn't even kill me. Whenever I post anything even remotely negative now I get one infraction and re-banned for 2 months.
Sorry for messing up your name bro. I have to ask what made you explode on the forums finally?
Also does anyone else know of any game where a favored guild has all the power positions in the community?? Especially in a full loot territorial game where those power positions will help you in game.
It is ironic that despite most of us saying it for the last year, Angrysully basically summarized exactly what we've been saying and posted it on the MO forums. The sad thing is immediately deleted, so most players won't see it, and even more sad is that players who continue to play also delude themselves into thinking that it is anything but what Angrysully said.
I honestly hope Henrik gets criminal charges against him for what he did with the billing fiasco, but I think that's just wishful thinking.
I've always posted some posts here and there saying how badly SV is as a company especially Henrik but they control the forums like nazis and delete everything that talks bad about their company. That is what differs them from other companies, they see issues but instead of seeing the issues and fixing them so they make the community happier and the game better, they ignore it and ban the user who didn't praise the company. I am usually always banned so I don't usually post on MO forums because of my history. What was really pathedic was when they required you to show an license or passport in order to sign up for their beta server ( they just now are setting up a testing server which they said the've had one up since release. psykobilly was easily the best choice to lead the testing team and when he asked about it on forums about security because lets face it, SV can barely code a game let alone keep it secure from third parties, I wouldn't want to give a ton of info like that to SV either. They said if you don't like it don't apply since this is voluntary. Discord is a total drag and seems oblivious to most things. The time I got teleported to MK with a catapult plan and a chronite sword, he didn't bother talking to me because he was busy doing the hearld server event (which all the items in the event were removed and weren't reimbursed). Their lead mod, lead dev, lead gm are worthless and causing the game to collapse. I'm willing to bet the territory patch will end up not working right and will end up breaking more things.
The game is a buggy mess. There are bugs in the game that were in there at release and still not fixed. Dawn came out 3 months ago and the bugs from that are still not fixed. They are not fixing them or updating the community on them. And there is no real way to even track the bugs.
What makes anyone think the TC patch will be any less buggy then anything they put out from release to now.
I think the mods (AI) are just doing a good damage control to keep the bots still playing stung along until they can secure some more funding. They are out of money. period.
I guess this is what 2 years of schooling and no business degree will get you.
Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
Challe, havent seen that name for a while in these forum. Wasnt Challe the server-reset-button-pusher who used to come down here and tout "lies and misinformation" bout how polished and flawless MO was? Can Osmunda please verify this for me? And could you please not report my post after quoting specific parts you feel comfortable answering to? OK, thank you in advance, you have been a real chum for not reporting a post against SV douchebaggery for once.
Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
Not sure why you expect it would be reported. He is expressing his opinion and Slapshot is relaying it here. The only personal attack is against Henrick as a manager. Other than the special olympics reference there is nothing that remotely violates the RoC.
Libel requires a specific factual assertion. Saying that they play favorites would not be libelous regardless of the truth of the accusation (or lack thereof). Claiming that they were embezzling money or stealing money could be libelous (depending on the specifics of the claim)
Challe, havent seen that name for a while in these forum. Wasnt Challe the server-reset-button-pusher who used to come down here and tout "lies and misinformation" bout how polished and flawless MO was? Can Osmunda please verify this for me? And could you please not report my post after quoting specific parts you feel comfortable answering to? OK, thank you in advance, you have been a real chum for not reporting a post against SV douchebaggery for once.
Not sure why you think I would be any more able to answer that than you.
Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
Not sure why you expect it would be reported. He is expressing his opinion and Slapshot is relaying it here. The only personal attack is against Henrick as a manager. Other than the special olympics reference there is nothing that remotely violates the RoC.
Libel requires a specific factual assertion. Saying that they play favorites would not be libelous regardless of the truth of the accusation (or lack thereof). Claiming that they were embezzling money or stealing money could be libelous (depending on the specifics of the claim)
Challe, havent seen that name for a while in these forum. Wasnt Challe the server-reset-button-pusher who used to come down here and tout "lies and misinformation" bout how polished and flawless MO was? Can Osmunda please verify this for me? And could you please not report my post after quoting specific parts you feel comfortable answering to? OK, thank you in advance, you have been a real chum for not reporting a post against SV douchebaggery for once.
Not sure why you think I would be any more able to answer that than you.
They are stealing money. Have been stealing money and will continue to steal money until the game shuts down. Not too worried about being sued but would certainlly enjoy the trial. =P
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Originally posted by RainBringer
Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
Mortal Online doesn't bring in any profit, so in order for Star Vault to sue someone they'd have to dip into their own funds.
Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
LOL... That would be like suing a newspaper for printing a poor movie review.
Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
Not sure why you expect it would be reported. He is expressing his opinion and Slapshot is relaying it here. The only personal attack is against Henrick as a manager. Other than the special olympics reference there is nothing that remotely violates the RoC.
Libel requires a specific factual assertion. Saying that they play favorites would not be libelous regardless of the truth of the accusation (or lack thereof). Claiming that they were embezzling money or stealing money could be libelous (depending on the specifics of the claim)
I expect it would have gotten reported a couple of times atleast by fanbots, albeit no action has been taken yet, due to the simple reason that its a pretty much true assertion of SV and as such its very existence would be a sore thorn on any SV fanbot's rear end. You might have not read that post, it doesnt only call Henrick out on his BS as a "manager"; dont know where you got that from, angrysully never once calls him a manager of any sort so read carefully next time; but it even picks out the garbage GMs and Mods. And you should know better osmunda, milder posts have been reported regardless of the RoC.
Quick question, if it doesnt even remotely violate the RoC (other than the part bout the special olympics which could very well be plausible if you think about it, him leading a team in the special olympics) why do you think the post was deleted from the MO forums and the poster was banned? I mean, in your own words, you say that there is nothing remotely (present) that violates the RoC. So what gives?
And I dont know what makes you think you can pass your over-the-counter logic for knowledge on legal matters and libel suits. I am not familiar with Swedish laws, but apparently in Sweden a plaintiff can sue a person over libellous claims without having to prove authenticity of said claims as long as the nature of the claims are found to be defamatory, in simple words Mr CEO could sue anyone calling him a failure of a game developer even though it is indeed true. You seem to have missed out all the parts that truthfully asserts Henrik's incompetence, so you might want to read up on that post once more since your reply seems to have been hastily written without taking into context most of the post.
Since you always seem keen on clicking links, here you go:
Since you seem to be more knowledgeable than me on the pro-SV agenda topic. And a simple "Yes, he is the button pusher" would have sufficed, rather than that useless link (there we go posting useless links again).
Originally posted by Omali
Mortal Online doesn't bring in any profit, so in order for Star Vault to sue someone they'd have to dip into their own funds.
Thats the thing, Mortal Online has probably not made any profit after the initial box sales. But that did not stop them from screwing their own playerbase over even WHILE they were sitting on good chunk of money. Refusal to mail out pre-paid media (functional beta disks anyone?), charging customers without consent (auto charging credit cards) and I would even put in the multiple billing fiasco in that list since even IF starvault refunded every wrong credit card charge (highly unlikely for those who did not report it, dint check their statements or just forgot) it did show SV's quarterlies to its investors in a much favourable light than what it deserved, so it seems too convenient to pass up on the fact that this mistake was very much premeditated.
All that when SV still has some money to throw around, so it begs a question about what SV would do when they Havent got any money left to fool around with. And his father has given this game a shot in the arm when resources were initially running low, who is to say that daddy wont foot the initial bill for the lawsuit?
A game developer suing for libelous claims isnt unprecedented either. Im talking bout the good "Doctor" here.
Just tried the trial for the last few days. I regret it. Graphics from 2000, EQ1 speed of combat, and I really learned in a short time how abhorrent open pvp with open player corpse looting is. Also, I didn't see very many people so the population must be real low.
I love some of the language used in that post OP linked. Like "Players are quitting in droves." Droves??? If people were cancelling in droves that means there are droves of people playing the game.
And then there are the other comments that try to make it seem like this game ever had a population or future.
Hardcore rabid fans are seeing the writing, and they are last the last to leave. Sorry, guys, the "droves of players" never showed up - we were a tad too smart for this scam(trust me that's not saying much). Just way to wishful thinking on the part of these rabid fans who are finally throwing in the towel. We can't all be fast learners, I suppose.
I love some of the language used in that post OP linked. Like "Players are quitting in droves." Droves??? If people were cancelling in droves that means there are droves of people playing the game.
And then there are the other comments that try to make it seem like this game ever had a population or future.
Hardcore rabid fans are seeing the writing, and they are last the last to leave. Sorry, guys, the "droves of players" never showed up - we were a tad too smart for this scam(trust me that's not saying much). Just way to wishful thinking on the part of these rabid fans who are finally throwing in the towel. We can't all be fast learners, I suppose.
what a snide and snobby perspective. MO had great features, and for the many players who are waiting for the "it" sandbox to finally come out, mortal seemed to be the one. many games go through growing pains, and MO has undeniably failed. this does not, however redeem your irrepressible pessimism towards anything that it tried to deliver. Why are you so tickled that people were mistaken about MO realizing its potential?
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@ Comaf:
You really need to be more specific.
These things = ? (Sandbox games, full loot , Open PVP, or independent games just to name a couple things you may have meant)
Unless you are more specific, I really don't see how Shadowbane can be an exmple of doing things right and EVE is not.
@ Phelcher:
Your assertions about the populations are based on... Perhaps you could share your methodology.
Perhaps they're based on the same thing as your guesstimates of dev numbers were, optimistic high hopes.
I mean their financial reports have been shining beacons of awesomeness, right?
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are you new around here? IRC/forums is 50% of the fucking game. everytime i see someone permabanned from IRC, i pretty much assume he'll quit soon because with the detachment from the much-needed community-based channels (irc/forums) makes the game very stale and boring. it's fucking stupid.
kootenay said to me once that trolling irc twice is worse than picking on some random guy for having cerebral palsy or cancer or any other condition once.
I am well aware how forums and the IRC can be more than the game to some people, and I also know how downhill it has gone in the recent months and how the mods contributed to the deterioration of such means of meta-gaming.
That said, if you think thats why the game is suffering you need a reality check. Most of the people currently paying for MO don't even know what IRC is much less that there is a stratics server with a #mortalonline channel.
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The whole reason the player base is as small as it is now is because SV is too incompetent to understand the fix the situation. Dawn brought back a lot more players but Henrik is very unprofessional and impatient but is in his early 20's. He rushed out Dawn knowing full well these systems did not work yet he wanted money and didn't care so out it went and the player base steadily declined. The player base was decent during the big war but then the FAILED bug arose with the big battles and ruined the fun. I honestly don't understand how a company like star vault still managed to have bugs like FAILED a year after release. Don't worry though, it is not a leadership problem like Henrik proclaims but a resource problems. Your wrong and right, your wrong in the sense that you blame the game's failures solely on resources and not yourself. Your the leader of the company that makes MO, get your mindset right or have your company toss you to a curb and get someone who isn't all talk and no game. You feel the need to constantly tell us how the game is going to be but all I see is patches with half ass systems and more bugs then additions. I really don't understand Henrik at all. I'm not sure if he thought since he got a 2 year degree in game design he could make an MO no one has ever seen and become rich with almost no experience which you say you have 10+ years. He just sounds very unprofessional and seems the only team he could lead would be the special Olympics because it doesn't matter if you win or lose, you are still winners. This game is failing and I put all blame on Henrik for lack of leadership, experience, responsibility to the game and company, and his unprofessional-ism for hiring garbage GM's and Mods. If his rich dad never financed this game, it would have never been. Look at companies like Tripwire, they made Red Orchestra which was a big hit and won best mod of the year and got the license for the unreal engine for free, they earned what they received and then made Red Orchestra 2 which is a great game that patches often and doesn't include a shit ton of bugs.
I put in the notion that Henrik is fired from StarVault and either sold to a decent company capable of fixing MO or Henrik is replaced by someone who is professional and knows what needs to be done and does so accordingly.
Make Changes or get Fricked Suckers.
Edit: Also why are a lot of AI guild members mods?
Shinzon = BlackOpal
Sindas = Talwin
Laylah = Bathory
AI are SV's presonal assistants but corrupt as butt.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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God I love angry sully for jumping on the grenade and posting this. I am sure he is perma banned now. But I can not believe they put the people from the same guild in all the power positions of the moderation and community.
Shinzon is a double crossing back stabbing manipulator. My guild dealt with him many times and the gms and henrik always showed them favortism. Like I said before when we stole their keep spot legally we had 3 gms and henrik himself show up in game to ask wtf we were doing. I then killed Henrik #self applause# tell me one other time henrik himself showed up in game to tell people I am gonna roll back the server so AI can get the keep spot. The only reason he sisn't do it is because we had atleast 100 people there and we all said we would quit if he did that. Any guild that has dealt with Shinzon can atest to his shadyness if Syndic would please jump in here and tell some stories that would be nice CIR dealt with him more than Prophecy.
Also after Dawn AI was the first guild to put a tower up. Just a coincidence?? Or is some of them on the tester team??
The whole system is corrupt.
But it is a joke Talwin and Sindas are best of buds do you think either one of them is going top trump the other for any other player??
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Yep, he is banned. Did not expect Bathory to be Laylah thou.
angrysully is one word not two, not sure why peeps make a space. Also who is the jerk who stole my name on here? He probably eats dirt.
Yeah since some jerk stole my username I have to settle with this. Basically all I said was true and they banned me for two months for "attempting to cause trouble" which is pretty dumb.
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If any of you checked the forums like a month or two before, they made an announcement that if anyone posted anything against mortal online, it would be deleted as soon as it went up because they needed investments and didn't want to look bad. It's pretty funny how bad of a company SV is. If any of you remember a member named Mr Winter, he was in AI and was one of the first mods for MO until they found out a while later he was only 16 and wasn't even old enough to sign the NDA which is pretty funny. If SV wants to allow Henrik to shit on their company and bring it down along with himself and father who is giving Henrik an allowance for his science project, he can go ahead. They are including a "big" territory patch that will rock our socks off except it won't be out for probably a few months and this system should have already been put in place when the game released. You can't expect big things when the lead game designer and owner of SV only has a 2 year degree in game design and nothing else. This game is more of a get rich quick scam for Henrik and his immaturity shows pretty openly whenever you see him post blaming resources for their woes. All I can say to Henrik is eat dirt and work those scrawny noodle arms.
I haven't played this game, however, i've watched the forum postings here with interest and it seems just like what happened to Faxion last month. the team went AWOL, no one heard anything for weeks and then BAM....announcement of a shut down. That game was pretty bad, but MO seems to be a much better product. I'd hate to see it completely blow into dust just because i know there are quite a few of you loyal to it.
Yup, the whole system is corrupt.
AI as a guild have been given free keep deeds in Beta to "test it", they did such a good job that when we were constructing our keep (the first one on the server) on release we discovered that just trying to lock the chest in an unfinished keep would result in an immediate server crash.
The fun thing when Prophecy took "their" Keep spot, half of the GM team (at the time) connected to the GM ventrillo server and started going on how they're "here to speak on behalf of AI". At that point I stepped in and told Henrik to take a good look at how many players and accounts are on that island (~100-150+ from CIR, Prophecy, 13, ODL, SyVi, OL, RUS, others..) because if he rolled back the server they'd all be quitting. So being a smart car-salesman, Henrik and Maerlyn had a little Skype conference call with Shinzon to explain to him why he couldn't have "his" keep spot back. He still doesn't have it, I do. Or at least, our Russian brosefs in MO do.
Their guild-GM accounts were also instrumental - along with Challe - in killing the Risars (with the GM commands) in the Risar Dungeon to farm steel & rubars back when they were dropped in crazy amounts.
It was also entertaining when Rubars (most valuable item for vendoring at the time) were spawned in their walls.
But none of that helped AI. Regardless of how much they had the Devs ears and Henrik at their beck and call, they still lost everything they ever attempted to create; because when we discovered the full lenght of the bull**** we started playing by their rules. My last contact with AI was when we broke their palisades and destroyed their houses with boomsticks in ~15 minutes.
I'm sure most of the GM team is again composed of AI members too. It was when I joined, unfortunately someone reported them taking advantage of their GM powers for their guild... And then for a brief moment, there was none.
Don't forget during the first 1-2 weeks after release AI were the first to "kill" the risar chieftan and which actually consisted of AI getting teleported through special doors by the Dev team and when we found out they were in there killing it, we camped outside with around 5-10 guys and the Devs (Challe) http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/46321-log-out-shin-log-out.html. After that situation, the situation happened when you guys found the rubers in the wall and then people were realizing the Dev team is corrupt as dirt. You're also right that AI got all the help in the world to dominate but they all sucked at PvP so they got demolished and cried to Henrik. I saw shinzon when hunger system got first introduced when he went to the jungle (probably getting tower deeds) and I had only 20 hp due to no food reserves and he couldn't even kill me. Whenever I post anything even remotely negative now I get one infraction and re-banned for 2 months.
Sorry for messing up your name bro. I have to ask what made you explode on the forums finally?
Also does anyone else know of any game where a favored guild has all the power positions in the community?? Especially in a full loot territorial game where those power positions will help you in game.
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It is ironic that despite most of us saying it for the last year, Angrysully basically summarized exactly what we've been saying and posted it on the MO forums. The sad thing is immediately deleted, so most players won't see it, and even more sad is that players who continue to play also delude themselves into thinking that it is anything but what Angrysully said.
I honestly hope Henrik gets criminal charges against him for what he did with the billing fiasco, but I think that's just wishful thinking.
I've always posted some posts here and there saying how badly SV is as a company especially Henrik but they control the forums like nazis and delete everything that talks bad about their company. That is what differs them from other companies, they see issues but instead of seeing the issues and fixing them so they make the community happier and the game better, they ignore it and ban the user who didn't praise the company. I am usually always banned so I don't usually post on MO forums because of my history. What was really pathedic was when they required you to show an license or passport in order to sign up for their beta server ( they just now are setting up a testing server which they said the've had one up since release. psykobilly was easily the best choice to lead the testing team and when he asked about it on forums about security because lets face it, SV can barely code a game let alone keep it secure from third parties, I wouldn't want to give a ton of info like that to SV either. They said if you don't like it don't apply since this is voluntary. Discord is a total drag and seems oblivious to most things. The time I got teleported to MK with a catapult plan and a chronite sword, he didn't bother talking to me because he was busy doing the hearld server event (which all the items in the event were removed and weren't reimbursed). Their lead mod, lead dev, lead gm are worthless and causing the game to collapse. I'm willing to bet the territory patch will end up not working right and will end up breaking more things.
The game is a buggy mess. There are bugs in the game that were in there at release and still not fixed. Dawn came out 3 months ago and the bugs from that are still not fixed. They are not fixing them or updating the community on them. And there is no real way to even track the bugs.
What makes anyone think the TC patch will be any less buggy then anything they put out from release to now.
I think the mods (AI) are just doing a good damage control to keep the bots still playing stung along until they can secure some more funding. They are out of money. period.
I guess this is what 2 years of schooling and no business degree will get you.
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Kinda surprised that your post ( screenshot from the MO forums) is still here on mmorpg.com forums, angrysully. Cause god knows that the remaining few fanbots would be chain spamming the report button and SV would be working hard on the Libel angle to get enough to push for a settlement out of mmorpg.com to keep the MO servers up for a little while longer.
Challe, havent seen that name for a while in these forum. Wasnt Challe the server-reset-button-pusher who used to come down here and tout "lies and misinformation" bout how polished and flawless MO was? Can Osmunda please verify this for me? And could you please not report my post after quoting specific parts you feel comfortable answering to? OK, thank you in advance, you have been a real chum for not reporting a post against SV douchebaggery for once.
Mortal Online doesn't bring in any profit, so in order for Star Vault to sue someone they'd have to dip into their own funds.
LOL... That would be like suing a newspaper for printing a poor movie review.
I win!!! LOL@U
I expect it would have gotten reported a couple of times atleast by fanbots, albeit no action has been taken yet, due to the simple reason that its a pretty much true assertion of SV and as such its very existence would be a sore thorn on any SV fanbot's rear end. You might have not read that post, it doesnt only call Henrick out on his BS as a "manager"; dont know where you got that from, angrysully never once calls him a manager of any sort so read carefully next time; but it even picks out the garbage GMs and Mods. And you should know better osmunda, milder posts have been reported regardless of the RoC.
Quick question, if it doesnt even remotely violate the RoC (other than the part bout the special olympics which could very well be plausible if you think about it, him leading a team in the special olympics) why do you think the post was deleted from the MO forums and the poster was banned? I mean, in your own words, you say that there is nothing remotely (present) that violates the RoC. So what gives?
And I dont know what makes you think you can pass your over-the-counter logic for knowledge on legal matters and libel suits. I am not familiar with Swedish laws, but apparently in Sweden a plaintiff can sue a person over libellous claims without having to prove authenticity of said claims as long as the nature of the claims are found to be defamatory, in simple words Mr CEO could sue anyone calling him a failure of a game developer even though it is indeed true. You seem to have missed out all the parts that truthfully asserts Henrik's incompetence, so you might want to read up on that post once more since your reply seems to have been hastily written without taking into context most of the post.
Since you always seem keen on clicking links, here you go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/361/view/forums/thread/326252/page/3
Since you seem to be more knowledgeable than me on the pro-SV agenda topic. And a simple "Yes, he is the button pusher" would have sufficed, rather than that useless link (there we go posting useless links again).
Thats the thing, Mortal Online has probably not made any profit after the initial box sales. But that did not stop them from screwing their own playerbase over even WHILE they were sitting on good chunk of money. Refusal to mail out pre-paid media (functional beta disks anyone?), charging customers without consent (auto charging credit cards) and I would even put in the multiple billing fiasco in that list since even IF starvault refunded every wrong credit card charge (highly unlikely for those who did not report it, dint check their statements or just forgot) it did show SV's quarterlies to its investors in a much favourable light than what it deserved, so it seems too convenient to pass up on the fact that this mistake was very much premeditated.
All that when SV still has some money to throw around, so it begs a question about what SV would do when they Havent got any money left to fool around with. And his father has given this game a shot in the arm when resources were initially running low, who is to say that daddy wont foot the initial bill for the lawsuit?
A game developer suing for libelous claims isnt unprecedented either. Im talking bout the good "Doctor" here.
I'm not sure how they could file a lawsuit against a forum poster talking down on their company and game dev/owner.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Just tried the trial for the last few days. I regret it. Graphics from 2000, EQ1 speed of combat, and I really learned in a short time how abhorrent open pvp with open player corpse looting is. Also, I didn't see very many people so the population must be real low.
I love some of the language used in that post OP linked. Like "Players are quitting in droves." Droves??? If people were cancelling in droves that means there are droves of people playing the game.
And then there are the other comments that try to make it seem like this game ever had a population or future.
Hardcore rabid fans are seeing the writing, and they are last the last to leave. Sorry, guys, the "droves of players" never showed up - we were a tad too smart for this scam(trust me that's not saying much). Just way to wishful thinking on the part of these rabid fans who are finally throwing in the towel. We can't all be fast learners, I suppose.
what a snide and snobby perspective. MO had great features, and for the many players who are waiting for the "it" sandbox to finally come out, mortal seemed to be the one. many games go through growing pains, and MO has undeniably failed. this does not, however redeem your irrepressible pessimism towards anything that it tried to deliver. Why are you so tickled that people were mistaken about MO realizing its potential?