I typed your name into google images to find your maturity level. Ouch. :P
Alalala? It's just a repeating sequence of the left most and right most letters on the second row of the keyboard. Picked for convenience and means nothing.
Well the point is that most of the now controverisial stuff would have been cool... like FOUR YEARS AGO.
They dropped the ball through sheer LAZINESS AND INERTIA.
Pandas are not cool anymore, nothing really is once it gets a hollywood makeover. As for pokemon pets? Sheesh, that idea's been lobbied around even before WoW vanilla release.
They were LAZY and ARROGANT. They lost it. Time ran over them like 20 ton dirt truck. The coolness is gone. Bioware is going to make a killing and ANet is short to follow. When the dust settles Titan is going to have a free home run. I wouldn't be surprised if Bliz did all this on purpose to clear the way for their new big project.
i think the reaction to the latest dumbing down and cute-ing up of wow is similar to everyone's reactions to george lucas.
the reasonb eing, you have a great product with minimal nods at humour and cute. then you get an idea about merchandising and marketing your product and you figure you could make more money if only you just squeezed a few more notches up on the humour and the cute. so, you decide 'return of the jedi' isn't a bad idea.
unfortunately, no one really likes that, so you sit back down and scratch your head. you'd like to make a good product again, but you can't, because now you've got a taste of what it would be like to buy your own island.
so you ramp the humour and the cute up so far you've hit ludicrous speed. and everyone says it's rubbish, and you know it's rubbish, but it sells. it sells because everyone is still desperately clinging to the original idea. which was brilliant.
the real nail in the coffin is when you decide you can go back to your original idea and just kind of wash over it with a lot of cgi.
make it easier to look at.
and hopefully, given time, everyone will forget what the original idea was if they can't ever see it again and one day people won't really know the difference and will think that the original idea was all humour and cute and no game.
Fifty-thousand gold a year in childcare and they call it a cult?!
Me so horny. Me hurt you long time!
I'll attract the enemy with my human call - I'm so wasted, I'm so WASTED!
i think the reaction to the latest dumbing down and cute-ing up of wow is similar to everyone's reactions to george lucas.
the reasonb eing, you have a great product with minimal nods at humour and cute. then you get an idea about merchandising and marketing your product and you figure you could make more money if only you just squeezed a few more notches up on the humour and the cute. so, you decide 'return of the jedi' isn't a bad idea.
unfortunately, no one really likes that, so you sit back down and scratch your head. you'd like to make a good product again, but you can't, because now you've got a taste of what it would be like to buy your own island.
so you ramp the humour...
Great observation. It's sort of a cyclic pattern between grossly commercial or meeting audience expectations. It's not 100% in phase, but not far off.
Vanilla - straight
BC - commercial
LK - straight
Cata - ???
MoP - commercial
edit: changed cartoony to commercial, figuring that it better expresses the idea and to avoid derail into whether Vanilla was cartoony or not.
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Originally posted by Alalala Originally posted by grawss
I typed your name into google images to find your maturity level. Ouch. :P Alalala? It's just a repeating sequence of the left most and right most letters on the second row of the keyboard. Picked for convenience and means nothing.
It's not the Bob Marley song?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Alalala? It's just a repeating sequence of the left most and right most letters on the second row of the keyboard. Picked for convenience and means nothing.
In other words, if you consider a ludicrous image to dictate the maturity levels of those who play Pandaren, then I'll let ludicrous images decide your own maturity level. You know, using your argument against you and such.
It's almost like you're plugging your ears and chanting "alalala" to avoid actual arguments; instead relying on pictures like you've been posting to make some irrelevant point.
By the way, I bet if you typed "Pandaren" into Google Images, you'd have a pretty hard time finding toddlers dressed in panda suits. Might as well compare apples to apples, yes?
I still thing blizz is joking....and soon they will provide the real info on a real exp.
Funnily enough I've been thinking the same thing what if this is all a ruse to hide the true nature of the next expansion pack . The thing is if it really is a red herring and MOP isn't the next expansion all the people in these forums that have been defending it will look like fanboy idiots .
Sadly I don't think it is a joke I think Blizzard have got arrogant and complacent and think they can put out any old trash and expect the fans to lap it up .
The backlash against this is pretty huge though and maybe they will have a rethink and cancel it .
I still thing blizz is joking....and soon they will provide the real info on a real exp.
Funnily enough I've been thinking the same thing what if this is all a ruse to hide the true nature of the next expansion pack . The thing is if it really is a red herring and MOP isn't the next expansion all the people in these forums that have been defending it will look like fanboy idiots .
Sadly I don't think it is a joke I think Blizzard have got arrogant and complacent and think they can put out any old trash and expect the fans to lap it up .
The backlash against this is pretty huge though and maybe they will have a rethink and cancel it .
From the polls I've seen, the majority vote is positive for the expansion. The only backlash you see are vocal haters. :P
As for the people who have been defending it (like myself), I don't think they'll look bad. From what I've seen, most of the people defending the game are just trying to balance out the number of people hating on it. I for one barely even want to play the game, but not because it's too "immature" (haha), silly or whatever.
The only people who will look bad are those that are saying WoW is dead, or that the game will fail because of Pandaren.
The backlash against this is pretty huge though and maybe they will have a rethink and cancel it .
Sort of doubt it. They're almost a year in to an eighteen month project (might be twenty-four, no official word). Based on my guess, by now the world is beyond rough draft, building and character art is done (or almost, they said female panda isn't finished), and they're hashing out names storyline questing phasing etc.
Unless they push back, it is what it is. Also, a few of us think the design was intentional to get publicity and the backlash expected. I'm of this opinion myself. The key was in an interview where the guy (?) says "and we're all on the same version internationally". They're pumping up for a big Asian win in my opinion. He all but said so.
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i have considered Warcraft full of humor since the 1st rts game ( if nothing else, than just how goofy the peons/peasents were). more so with WC2, and poured on heavy with WC3.
go play WC3, beat it, and watch the 'comedy skit' they do through the credits. i enjoyed it years ago when i was into that game. i think it showed Kiljaden making a movie, as the director, and all they got was blooper worthy shots. like i said, it's been years, but thats what i remember. it was 100% for comic relief.
but before the game is completed, try clicking on every unit repeatedly, listen to the units, and tell me that is not for the sake of humor.
when a RTS game has this much cartoony nature and humor, why would the MMO be different?
personally, i think WOTLK was the most goofy WoW experience to date. the undead act like 10 year old on drugs.... the WoW team does a better job with mystical colorful settings than they do dark settings. personally, i prefer dark content in every aspect, but the truth is that WoW does not do it very well, and never has. WOW (for me) is about a mystical adventure of exploration. not sitting in a raid for hours, bored to death because there is more down-time than playing.
Panderia sounds like an enchanting place to explore, and i can't wait for the xpac. i haven't played WoW since a month into Cata, and this new expansion sounds like it has a lot to do. i expect it won't come out until AFTER i've been on a loooong Skyrim binge, so i thnk the timing will be perfect for me.
i will get to explore the new zones with my rogue/mage. and i will be able to make a night elf monk, something i have wanted since first subbed to the game during vanilla.
also, i LOVE asian culture and art. this is nothing but good news for me.
anyone who would quit the game EXCLUSIVELY because of the panda race, is a good loss in my opinion. it derives from such a close-minded, high-horse riding mindstate that i feel those people quitting the game, would be a great thing.
"And yes folks, I’m even okay with the Pandaren race as a whole. I do think their current models are a little too cute and rounded for my liking, but the Pandaren are a race of creatures I’ve had a soft spot for since Warcraft III and nothing but nothing is going to stop me from playing one at least through the starting zone come launch. Sure it’s like something right out of Kung-Fu Panda, but dammit… they’re as serious as a heart-attack (according to Chris Metzen). I know there’s no way I’ll convince some of you that this is truth, and really it’s a style thing."
It really is a style thing, and the Pandaren race falls right in line with what WoW's style has always been. There has always been an overarching serious storyline, but woven around that have been hundreds of silly, light-hearted, comical moments, from the adventures of Harrison Jones and Milhouse Manastorm to the exploits of the many quirky golblin and gnomish engineers. Pandarens wouldn't *fit* in most other games, but they certainly mesh right into the world of Warcraft.
Alalala? It's just a repeating sequence of the left most and right most letters on the second row of the keyboard. Picked for convenience and means nothing.
In other words, if you consider a ludicrous image to dictate the maturity levels of those who play Pandaren, then I'll let ludicrous images decide your own maturity level. You know, using your argument against you and such.
It's almost like you're plugging your ears and chanting "alalala" to avoid actual arguments; instead relying on pictures like you've been posting to make some irrelevant point.
By the way, I bet if you typed "Pandaren" into Google Images, you'd have a pretty hard time finding toddlers dressed in panda suits. Might as well compare apples to apples, yes?
I'm sorry the image of a toddler in a panda suit has made you so very upset. The image is there to remind people of the close association the panda has with infants and children in our culture, which I believe undermines Blizzard's choice. It has a point, and images are supported in this forum as you well know.
About 30 posts into this very topic I lay out why I think this race is a bad choice and my rejection of several arguments in favor. I feel it presents, for a quickly written forum post, an organized and coherent point of view. You may disagree with my perspective, but you cannot say that I am avoiding arguments as you claim. Once again, I include another image of a kid with a toy panda to say to people: This is really poor, childish choice for Blizzard.
You will also see that I like WoW and I am generally okay with the other expansion features, which freshen up a game that needs some vitality. (The panda race,though, is still a deal breaker.) Anyway, you never called me a WoW Hater directly, which I recognize and appreciate.
To be honest, I really don't understand where you are going with a google image search of my meaningless forum name and how it relates to anything, so you'll pardon me if continue to ignore that rambling. You were doing a satsifactory job across the topics defending the panda choice, but there I felt like you diminished yourself, and then went did it to yourself again after I explained it has no meaning. And besides, that off-topic behavior is frowned upon.
On the off chance it is the use of a child in a photograph that has you so emotional, here's a picture of an adult living out his fantasy of being a panda. It does not illustrate the association of children and pandas, but it probably still makes people think twice about how they will spend their leisure time in WoW. I get that some people don't care and some are even passionate about being a panda. If you own a panda suit, please do not photograph yourself and post it here to make your point that panda fantasy is ok, and that Blizzard is fine. Simply tell me you have one and you get the win.
For whatever it's worth, I think you are all full of it, and I despise you equally regardless of your position on this issue. As an aside, each of you deserve this expansion, and should be forced to play it.
I'm sorry the image of a toddler in a panda suit has made you so very upset. The image is there to remind people of the close association the panda has with infants and children in our culture, which I believe undermines Blizzard's choice. It has a point, and images are supported in this forum as you well know.
Oh please, don't bother with the "umad?" rhetoric; that got old before it started. Your perception of emotions aren't valid over the Internet and it only makes your posts less powerful, regardless of eloquence.
When did pandas gain an association with children? When I walk into my niece's room, I see teddy bears, tigers, giraffes, etc. By your logic, should everything in the Savannah be associated with children? By your logic, shouldn't human adults be associated with children due to franchises such as Barbie?
Just about every animal has been in some kind of extremely popular movie or has been made into a stuffed animal. You've zeroed in on Pandas, however, because World of Warcraft happened to announce them.
Originally posted by Alalala
About 30 posts into this very topic I lay out why I think this race is a bad choice and my rejection of several arguments in favor. I feel it presents, for a quickly written forum post, an organized and coherent point of view. You may disagree with my perspective, but you cannot say that I am avoiding arguments as you claim. Once again, I include another image of a kid with a toy panda to say to people: This is really poor, childish choice for Blizzard.
You're right, and I did miss that post. My apologies; that was one of the few posts which does in fact outline a decent point of view. Thank you for setting the bar.
Originally posted by Alalala
To be honest, I really don't understand where you are going with a google image search of my meaningless forum name and how it relates to anything, so you'll pardon me if continue to ignore that rambling. You were doing a satsifactory job across the topics defending the panda choice, but there I felt like you diminished yourself, and then went did it to yourself again after I explained it has no meaning. And besides, that off-topic behavior is frowned upon.
I did it to prove a point: Anything can be made to look childish.
Go find a bunch of cow pictures and make fun of tauren. Find a bunch of cute wolf pictures to make fun of worgen. I bet you could dig up a nice cuddly dragon somewhere to say dragons are too cute for the game.
I said "apples to apples" because you're exaggerating to make a point that doesn't exist without the exaggeration. It's simple to see, really; if pandas were so associated with children and infants as you say, you wouldn't need imagery to try getting your point across. Does a five year old plugging her ears make an accurate representation of your maturity level? Of course not. And with the same logic, a baby in a panda outfit does not make an accurate representation of Pandaren.
Originally posted by Alalala
On the off chance it is the use of a child in a photograph that has you so emotional, here's a picture of an adult living out his fantasy of being a panda. It does not illustrate the association of children and pandas, but it probably still makes people think twice about how they will spend their leisure time in WoW. I get that some people don't care and some are even passionate about being a panda. If you own a panda suit, please do not photograph yourself and post it here to make your point that panda fantasy is ok, and that Blizzard is fine. Simply tell me you have one and you get the win.
Ahh, the "adults don't play pandaren" argument. Instead, adults play pink pigtailed gnomes and peanut butter jelly time dancing cows.
I won't argue that Pandaren are silly, but more silly than WoW already is?
Blizzard is making Wow so that it is too easy. There is no challenge like the game used to be. It is all about pleasing the "I want it now" crowd and I really do not want anything to do with people who enjoy no challenge.
You do understant that only 1 percent of the woW population has defeted Ragnaros on Heroic mode.
If you compared that to the percentage of actual progressing raiding guilds within the WoW population you would have more of a point. FYI: The entire WoW Pop doesn't raid.
and they don't because they can't. not because they don't want to. raiding is a ridiculous element to any game. any element which locks out the majority of your players is ridiculous. it's like having paytv and being told you can only watch one of the 50 odd channels, but that if you watch 10 hours a day and can recite the upcoming guide to what's on for the next year at any given time, then you can unlock another few channels.
i don't think it's making anything easy by letting everyone have a chance to play the game they're paying for. there's nothing challenging about a boss with double lifepoints who never does anything outside of a set series of moves you can easily discover on youtube anyway. the only real challenge with raiding is getting the group together out of the few other guys you know who have egos the size of a small planetoid.
Not everyone likes/wants/aspires to raid. A lot of pvpers don't raid at all. Your point is still invalid.
I can only repeat what I think: I LOVE IDEA OF EXPANSION! Period. Barely can wait for release and to be able to play (kung-fu :-)) panda monk. About so much hate .... well is know fact, that haters (and fanboys) are very VOCAL, but they DO NOT rapresent (or at least I hope) majority of 11 millions of players that are paying subs.
I would have loved Ethereals as a race, as one poster suggested. Sadly Blizz seems to have this problem of ignoring everything they've created in previous expansions, as if they're not good enough. There are several races from Outland and Northrend that would make great members of the Horde/Alliance. But instead of working with what they have, Blizz is determined to keep creating more.
Blizz should scrap this expansion and work on making levels 60-80 better, while possibly bringing in new races from those areas.
Blizzard is making Wow so that it is too easy. There is no challenge like the game used to be. It is all about pleasing the "I want it now" crowd and I really do not want anything to do with people who enjoy no challenge.
You do understant that only 1 percent of the woW population has defeted Ragnaros on Heroic mode.
If you compared that to the percentage of actual progressing raiding guilds within the WoW population you would have more of a point. FYI: The entire WoW Pop doesn't raid.
You are kinda making my point for me. The fact that in order to kil Ragnaros you have to be part of a progression guild Proves that it IS a challenge. That a regular guild can't Kill Rags proves that there are still challenges left in World of Warcraft.
I think people are looking for a reason to hate Blizavision. I stopped playing their products a few years ago, so I can neither slag or support the new expac. I will say that the Pandaren's were indeed around long before Kung Fu Panda, so it's within Blizzard's rights to use such content. In fact, I'm surprised that they haven't used it sooner. I always thought that they were never going to use the Pandaren's due to a law in China. It had something to do with violence/death being brought upon the likeness of a Panda? I don't live there so don't quote me for truth, but remember reading it a few years ago when the first expac was getting ready to be dropped.
Personally? I'll be playing SWTOR. Getting sick of the fantasy setting. I need something new.
That was just what i said a few days ago. Blizzard has about given up on the western market, as their B-team can't compete with SWTOR and GW2 anymore. Cata already showed that they lost it. Same goes for handling the talent trees which got dumped down the 2nd time within 2 xpacs. All the good guys who were able to move the weight of the former WoW seem to work on Titan by now.
So instead of trying to fight declining subs on the western market with delivering quality, they rather aim for the asian market with a cheap panda and asian-theme move.
Guess we can expect accouncements like "14mio sub" soon after- which will mean NOTHING with their "1 hour inet cafe = 1 sub" definition. Or "most anticipated xpac ever", which will again mean nothing if they give it away for free to the chinese again.
I've never played WoW, so I can only speak as an outsider. But seeing these pandas does nothing to increase my desire to play this game. I doubt I'd play any MMO that had pandas in it, they are far too 'cutesy' for my tastes. Maybe it will attract more 11-year old girls to the game, I don't know.
If Blizz wanted to do something fresh and fun instead of a neutral race that plays both sides why not add a 3rd faction? It is about time a big game added a 3rd faction to the pvp. It would revive the pvp between factions in WoW and add some fun to the mix with a 3rd one. Make pvp meaningful by allowing more than control of a region to do more mindless dungeon running for gear. Allow for market changes or something. In FFXI if a faction controlled an area they got new markets opened up in their city from those vendors and some extra items were sold from city vendors. Something like that would give WoW or any mmo a nice change compared to the cookie cutter setups they have now.
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Alalala? It's just a repeating sequence of the left most and right most letters on the second row of the keyboard. Picked for convenience and means nothing.
Well the point is that most of the now controverisial stuff would have been cool... like FOUR YEARS AGO.
They dropped the ball through sheer LAZINESS AND INERTIA.
Pandas are not cool anymore, nothing really is once it gets a hollywood makeover. As for pokemon pets? Sheesh, that idea's been lobbied around even before WoW vanilla release.
They were LAZY and ARROGANT. They lost it. Time ran over them like 20 ton dirt truck. The coolness is gone. Bioware is going to make a killing and ANet is short to follow. When the dust settles Titan is going to have a free home run. I wouldn't be surprised if Bliz did all this on purpose to clear the way for their new big project.
Sneaky cat is very sneaky...
Fifty-thousand gold a year in childcare and they call it a cult?!
Me so horny. Me hurt you long time!
I'll attract the enemy with my human call - I'm so wasted, I'm so WASTED!
You were saying something about humor?
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Great observation. It's sort of a cyclic pattern between grossly commercial or meeting audience expectations. It's not 100% in phase, but not far off.
Vanilla - straight
BC - commercial
LK - straight
Cata - ???
MoP - commercial
edit: changed cartoony to commercial, figuring that it better expresses the idea and to avoid derail into whether Vanilla was cartoony or not.
Alalala? It's just a repeating sequence of the left most and right most letters on the second row of the keyboard. Picked for convenience and means nothing.
It's not the Bob Marley song?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
In other words, if you consider a ludicrous image to dictate the maturity levels of those who play Pandaren, then I'll let ludicrous images decide your own maturity level. You know, using your argument against you and such.
It's almost like you're plugging your ears and chanting "alalala" to avoid actual arguments; instead relying on pictures like you've been posting to make some irrelevant point.
By the way, I bet if you typed "Pandaren" into Google Images, you'd have a pretty hard time finding toddlers dressed in panda suits. Might as well compare apples to apples, yes?
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Maybe a Spinter rat race even. Rhino Race. Aligator race. Oh I can keep going. In fact I'd be perfect on the Blizz team with my ideas!!
Funnily enough I've been thinking the same thing what if this is all a ruse to hide the true nature of the next expansion pack . The thing is if it really is a red herring and MOP isn't the next expansion all the people in these forums that have been defending it will look like fanboy idiots .
Sadly I don't think it is a joke I think Blizzard have got arrogant and complacent and think they can put out any old trash and expect the fans to lap it up .
The backlash against this is pretty huge though and maybe they will have a rethink and cancel it .
From the polls I've seen, the majority vote is positive for the expansion. The only backlash you see are vocal haters. :P
As for the people who have been defending it (like myself), I don't think they'll look bad. From what I've seen, most of the people defending the game are just trying to balance out the number of people hating on it. I for one barely even want to play the game, but not because it's too "immature" (haha), silly or whatever.
The only people who will look bad are those that are saying WoW is dead, or that the game will fail because of Pandaren.
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Sort of doubt it. They're almost a year in to an eighteen month project (might be twenty-four, no official word). Based on my guess, by now the world is beyond rough draft, building and character art is done (or almost, they said female panda isn't finished), and they're hashing out names storyline questing phasing etc.
Unless they push back, it is what it is. Also, a few of us think the design was intentional to get publicity and the backlash expected. I'm of this opinion myself. The key was in an interview where the guy (?) says "and we're all on the same version internationally". They're pumping up for a big Asian win in my opinion. He all but said so.
i have considered Warcraft full of humor since the 1st rts game ( if nothing else, than just how goofy the peons/peasents were). more so with WC2, and poured on heavy with WC3.
go play WC3, beat it, and watch the 'comedy skit' they do through the credits. i enjoyed it years ago when i was into that game. i think it showed Kiljaden making a movie, as the director, and all they got was blooper worthy shots. like i said, it's been years, but thats what i remember. it was 100% for comic relief.
but before the game is completed, try clicking on every unit repeatedly, listen to the units, and tell me that is not for the sake of humor.
when a RTS game has this much cartoony nature and humor, why would the MMO be different?
personally, i think WOTLK was the most goofy WoW experience to date. the undead act like 10 year old on drugs.... the WoW team does a better job with mystical colorful settings than they do dark settings. personally, i prefer dark content in every aspect, but the truth is that WoW does not do it very well, and never has. WOW (for me) is about a mystical adventure of exploration. not sitting in a raid for hours, bored to death because there is more down-time than playing.
Panderia sounds like an enchanting place to explore, and i can't wait for the xpac. i haven't played WoW since a month into Cata, and this new expansion sounds like it has a lot to do. i expect it won't come out until AFTER i've been on a loooong Skyrim binge, so i thnk the timing will be perfect for me.
i will get to explore the new zones with my rogue/mage. and i will be able to make a night elf monk, something i have wanted since first subbed to the game during vanilla.
also, i LOVE asian culture and art. this is nothing but good news for me.
anyone who would quit the game EXCLUSIVELY because of the panda race, is a good loss in my opinion. it derives from such a close-minded, high-horse riding mindstate that i feel those people quitting the game, would be a great thing.
"And yes folks, I’m even okay with the Pandaren race as a whole. I do think their current models are a little too cute and rounded for my liking, but the Pandaren are a race of creatures I’ve had a soft spot for since Warcraft III and nothing but nothing is going to stop me from playing one at least through the starting zone come launch. Sure it’s like something right out of Kung-Fu Panda, but dammit… they’re as serious as a heart-attack (according to Chris Metzen). I know there’s no way I’ll convince some of you that this is truth, and really it’s a style thing."
It really is a style thing, and the Pandaren race falls right in line with what WoW's style has always been. There has always been an overarching serious storyline, but woven around that have been hundreds of silly, light-hearted, comical moments, from the adventures of Harrison Jones and Milhouse Manastorm to the exploits of the many quirky golblin and gnomish engineers. Pandarens wouldn't *fit* in most other games, but they certainly mesh right into the world of Warcraft.
I'm sorry the image of a toddler in a panda suit has made you so very upset. The image is there to remind people of the close association the panda has with infants and children in our culture, which I believe undermines Blizzard's choice. It has a point, and images are supported in this forum as you well know.
About 30 posts into this very topic I lay out why I think this race is a bad choice and my rejection of several arguments in favor. I feel it presents, for a quickly written forum post, an organized and coherent point of view. You may disagree with my perspective, but you cannot say that I am avoiding arguments as you claim. Once again, I include another image of a kid with a toy panda to say to people: This is really poor, childish choice for Blizzard.
You will also see that I like WoW and I am generally okay with the other expansion features, which freshen up a game that needs some vitality. (The panda race,though, is still a deal breaker.) Anyway, you never called me a WoW Hater directly, which I recognize and appreciate.
To be honest, I really don't understand where you are going with a google image search of my meaningless forum name and how it relates to anything, so you'll pardon me if continue to ignore that rambling. You were doing a satsifactory job across the topics defending the panda choice, but there I felt like you diminished yourself, and then went did it to yourself again after I explained it has no meaning. And besides, that off-topic behavior is frowned upon.
On the off chance it is the use of a child in a photograph that has you so emotional, here's a picture of an adult living out his fantasy of being a panda. It does not illustrate the association of children and pandas, but it probably still makes people think twice about how they will spend their leisure time in WoW. I get that some people don't care and some are even passionate about being a panda. If you own a panda suit, please do not photograph yourself and post it here to make your point that panda fantasy is ok, and that Blizzard is fine. Simply tell me you have one and you get the win.
For whatever it's worth, I think you are all full of it, and I despise you equally regardless of your position on this issue. As an aside, each of you deserve this expansion, and should be forced to play it.
Oh please, don't bother with the "umad?" rhetoric; that got old before it started. Your perception of emotions aren't valid over the Internet and it only makes your posts less powerful, regardless of eloquence.
When did pandas gain an association with children? When I walk into my niece's room, I see teddy bears, tigers, giraffes, etc. By your logic, should everything in the Savannah be associated with children? By your logic, shouldn't human adults be associated with children due to franchises such as Barbie?
Just about every animal has been in some kind of extremely popular movie or has been made into a stuffed animal. You've zeroed in on Pandas, however, because World of Warcraft happened to announce them.
You're right, and I did miss that post. My apologies; that was one of the few posts which does in fact outline a decent point of view. Thank you for setting the bar.
I did it to prove a point: Anything can be made to look childish.
Go find a bunch of cow pictures and make fun of tauren. Find a bunch of cute wolf pictures to make fun of worgen. I bet you could dig up a nice cuddly dragon somewhere to say dragons are too cute for the game.
I said "apples to apples" because you're exaggerating to make a point that doesn't exist without the exaggeration. It's simple to see, really; if pandas were so associated with children and infants as you say, you wouldn't need imagery to try getting your point across. Does a five year old plugging her ears make an accurate representation of your maturity level? Of course not. And with the same logic, a baby in a panda outfit does not make an accurate representation of Pandaren.
Ahh, the "adults don't play pandaren" argument. Instead, adults play pink pigtailed gnomes and peanut butter jelly time dancing cows.
I won't argue that Pandaren are silly, but more silly than WoW already is?
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Not everyone likes/wants/aspires to raid. A lot of pvpers don't raid at all. Your point is still invalid.
I can only repeat what I think: I LOVE IDEA OF EXPANSION! Period. Barely can wait for release and to be able to play (kung-fu :-)) panda monk. About so much hate .... well is know fact, that haters (and fanboys) are very VOCAL, but they DO NOT rapresent (or at least I hope) majority of 11 millions of players that are paying subs.
I would have loved Ethereals as a race, as one poster suggested. Sadly Blizz seems to have this problem of ignoring everything they've created in previous expansions, as if they're not good enough. There are several races from Outland and Northrend that would make great members of the Horde/Alliance. But instead of working with what they have, Blizz is determined to keep creating more.
Blizz should scrap this expansion and work on making levels 60-80 better, while possibly bringing in new races from those areas.
You are kinda making my point for me. The fact that in order to kil Ragnaros you have to be part of a progression guild Proves that it IS a challenge. That a regular guild can't Kill Rags proves that there are still challenges left in World of Warcraft.
I think people are looking for a reason to hate Blizavision. I stopped playing their products a few years ago, so I can neither slag or support the new expac. I will say that the Pandaren's were indeed around long before Kung Fu Panda, so it's within Blizzard's rights to use such content. In fact, I'm surprised that they haven't used it sooner. I always thought that they were never going to use the Pandaren's due to a law in China. It had something to do with violence/death being brought upon the likeness of a Panda? I don't live there so don't quote me for truth, but remember reading it a few years ago when the first expac was getting ready to be dropped.
Personally? I'll be playing SWTOR. Getting sick of the fantasy setting. I need something new.
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That was just what i said a few days ago. Blizzard has about given up on the western market, as their B-team can't compete with SWTOR and GW2 anymore. Cata already showed that they lost it. Same goes for handling the talent trees which got dumped down the 2nd time within 2 xpacs. All the good guys who were able to move the weight of the former WoW seem to work on Titan by now.
So instead of trying to fight declining subs on the western market with delivering quality, they rather aim for the asian market with a cheap panda and asian-theme move.
Guess we can expect accouncements like "14mio sub" soon after- which will mean NOTHING with their "1 hour inet cafe = 1 sub" definition. Or "most anticipated xpac ever", which will again mean nothing if they give it away for free to the chinese again.
I've never played WoW, so I can only speak as an outsider. But seeing these pandas does nothing to increase my desire to play this game. I doubt I'd play any MMO that had pandas in it, they are far too 'cutesy' for my tastes. Maybe it will attract more 11-year old girls to the game, I don't know.
If Blizz wanted to do something fresh and fun instead of a neutral race that plays both sides why not add a 3rd faction? It is about time a big game added a 3rd faction to the pvp. It would revive the pvp between factions in WoW and add some fun to the mix with a 3rd one. Make pvp meaningful by allowing more than control of a region to do more mindless dungeon running for gear. Allow for market changes or something. In FFXI if a faction controlled an area they got new markets opened up in their city from those vendors and some extra items were sold from city vendors. Something like that would give WoW or any mmo a nice change compared to the cookie cutter setups they have now.
Whats with the Kungfu Panda hate...? I liked that movie