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Are people complaining about Diablo 3 because it doesnt feel like a mmo?
nomatics856
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Because Diablo 3 is basically doing and is what diablo 2 did and was a online hack and slash where the fun was to down enemy and bosses for loot to trade with others
Thats all Diablo 2 was, the small small majority played for the quest and the gameplay, but even then that wasnt diablo 2`s most rewarding feature cause a majority of the people skipped acts and quest entirely just to go to certain bosses, I dont even remember once forming a group for act 3 in its entirety and pretty much act 2.
So I dont see how D3 can fail the diablo franchise when diablo 2 wasnt even all that great itsself. Just addicting.
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Some are complaining because it is by Blizzard, and because of WoW its all cool and non-conformist to hate Blizzard, like all the other millions of non-conformists.
Some are complaining because they are virulently anti-RMT, and D3 does bring a new flavour of RMT to the table.
And some are complaining because they played the beta and genuinely didn't like it as much as its predecessor.
While i dont mind it myself i do understand that some ppl dont like that the game is listed here since this is a mmorpg website afterall . I do understand it from mmorpg.com part since they get loads of hits etc with diablo 3 which is always good and more money from adds etc in the end.
i played d3 beta this weekend and it was terrible. im judging it from a non mmorpg perspective (i was a big d2 fan back when blizzard actually cared about games ).
there is almost no choice in how you build your character. the game is way to easy and you cant even change your hotkeys. the game has also lost its gothic dark foreboding feel and the music is crap compared to diablo 2 (d2 music was really awesome). i dont know why they went with cartoony graphics and painterly textures, it totally doesnt fit in a diablo game.
d3 is essentially diablo 2 but with better tech, less atmosphere, less customisation and too easy. at no point during the beta was i shitting my pants or even slightly worried about my character dying.
ya, WHERE IS THE MUSIC in this game???
in d2 there was this boss called bishibosh and you encountered him right after the first quest on the way to the second. he was a fallshaman that could raise other fallen shaman which could raise fallen. on top of this he exploded on death pretty much oneshotting any characters that were close to him when he died.
in d3 you just casually stroll through blowing shit up.
If you really want to know why most are complaining, play D1 and D2. You have choices of what skills you want and how to assign your stats. D3 has taken out all the thought and chalenge and puts you on a linear skill path and assigns your stats for you as you level.
People are complaining because they have been given a forum to do such.....Trust me if warnings/bans were given on this board for negativity, very few would be posting.....
Being off topic would consider a warning too. :P
No, I think they are complaining because the game doesn't feel like a Diablo game. The Wow fans doesn't seem to complain so much, it is old fans of the IP that are upset.
I actually agree that D2 wasn't that great, it was nowhere near the first game. What really made Diablo such a great game was tha it was really challenging, even on normal you had to make an effort.
Take away the challenge and the game is just a simple point and click.
I really loved the first game, I wish Blizz made a remake of it with modern graphics but otherwise the same.
Diablo clones over the past number of years have been better, that's why.
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its the wow players which are digging d3 cos they havent played d2 or d1. its the d1/d2 fans which dont like d3.
d2 was actually probably more of an mmorpg that most modern themepark mmorpgs. there was an actual economy because of no bound item system.
They have only allowed play to level 13 on normal difficulty. You have only seem a couple hours of the game so far.
I will wait to pass judgement on that aspect when I can play on nightmare mode or whatever on all of the content.
It's the very beginning of the easiest difficulty. Of freaking course it's going to be easy durr.
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now that you mention it, i'm complaining about it because it does feel like an mmo.
...Because those of us that played the originals (d1 or d2) know that even on normal difficulty those games were much harder. For one, getting automatically healed every few fights makes games like this WAAAAAY easier. I've tried a few of the classes, and even the squisher ones like the Wizard, I never really had to heal myself. Not once all the way to lvl 11 (at which point I got bored and stopped). In the previous games, healing actually mattered and was important. In this one? It's been trivialized to the point where, I only had to use a healing potion once (across all the characters I tried), and that was only because I aggroed an entire dungeon trying to chase one of those treasure runners.
What happened after I used the potion? I proceeded to kill multiple bosses & epic mobs + minions like it was no big deal. Never really had to worry about energy consumption, I could basically jsut spam skills the whole way through. There were a few times I got low on energy, but after a couple seconds it was full again. Basically making the entire mechanic virtually pointless.
Seriously, go fire up the original diablo games. Shouldn't be hard to get them for free, and you can play them offline no problem (unlike d3). Even on normal mode you will have tricky encounters that you either need to heal through, or be careful w/. You will probably actually die at least once as well. An experience I'm not sure I could achieve in D3 if I went afk to go make a sandwich.
I think people argueing about the ease of the game have something coming... on D3's forums the devs are actually saying people won't be able to handle Inferno difficulty for awhile without exploiting, or playing ways that are unintentional.
I always lol at D2 = MMORPG.
Anyways, if you want to play Diablo 3, don't play Diablo 3, play Path of Exile.
But, as he said, how can you judge something that you're not aware of? In the beta you can only get to play the first hour of the game on normal mode and can only level to 13 at the highest. So how, in any way, can you make any kind of assumption like the ones you're trying to make off that? I can easily tell you the first hour of either of the previous Diablo games were as easy.
Not to mention that you played a ranged class, which does make a considerable difference. Especially on the final beta boss fight where it's completely noticeable in the damage difference a melee class takes compared to a ranged.
If you're going to criticize the game at least have something to back up what you're saying. Nothing in beta proves your assumptions, at all.
They are complaining because diablo 3 is a huge step BACKWARDS for the series, diablo 2 went forward in alot of aspects but D3 totally went backwards, it feels more like diablo 1.5, everything is handed to you, no stat or skill builds, and the gameplay isin't even all that intersting. Everyones char will pretty much be identical. Path of exile is honestly what d3 should have been, its not out yet but it bascally brings d2 to 3d and adds a ton of stuff to it. D3 is just yet another fail moneygrab by a devoloper.
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This aint the same Blizz that made Diablo, and DIablo II -- or even any of the warcraft RTS titles. its kinda that simple.
It's fair to criticize a game for forcing players to deal with too much easy gameplay before you reach a challenge.
I imagine I'm going to love D3 overall, but in D2 the crappiest part about the game was how incredibly easy things were prior to level 20 -- and then after level 20 there was barely any progression left over to experience (you'd get your endgame skills at 30 and then your character was basically stagnant.)
The best D2 experiences were the mods I played where early difficulty was amped up considerably.
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Haven't really heard of that complaint. My biggest gripe is having to use battlenet and be online to play a single player game.
the same way this game already has fanboys is the same way it has haters. TBH its usually early on when a game should hook you in and make you feel the need to continue on your journey. I personally don't plan on getting this game because that love i had for D2 just isn't there for D3.
Well its not an MMO... should be discussed in General Gaming in all actuality. D3 is a 4 player game.
Most of the complaints I am reading are from Diablo I & II aficionados that do not feel that III is a worthy succesor. They seem pretty clear on what is an 'APRG' & what is a 'MMO'.
No they are complaining because the game is just not that good compared to the other 2 games.
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