OP... I think the P2W and the Thief class are the less apparent reasons as to why not to buy GW2.
This game has got to have the worst/trolly/childish community I have ever seen. They must be proud of themselves to be able to say they are actually worse then the WoW community.
Isn't it ironic to be compliaing of a "trolly/childish community" given the nature of your post? Think about it.
Why because you disagree with my statements? Any cash shop that gives bonuses obtained easier through the cash shop then in game is P2W. GW2 does this. They give XP bonuses, keys to unlock chests...etc.
They took a step down on there P2W from GW1, so /clap. And yes GW1 was P2W for any PvPer. You could buy every skill in the game for PvP characters.
Everyone who has common sense disagrees with your statements. because we all know that leveling faster in a game that moves your level DOWN to the zones you return to, and moves your level DOWN to the dungeons levels, and can only give you more and stronger abilities via fighting/learning through all weapon types gives such a great advantage you know. So you can reach level 80 and have the 1 button to press over and over again until you learn the rest of the abilities per weapon. Sure you'll have the talents but if you don't have the abilities how does that give an advantage again?....that's right it doesn't.
Originally posted by Vunak23 Any cash shop that gives bonuses obtained easier through the cash shop then in game is P2W. GW2 does this. They give XP bonuses, keys to unlock chests...etc.
They took a step down on there P2W from GW1, so /clap. And yes GW1 was P2W for any PvPer. You could buy every skill in the game for PvP characters.
You could buy any skill, but you got nothing via the store that wasn't available for free. How on earth is that 'pay to win'? Sounds like 'play to have an exactly level playing field' to me.
Look simply saying "This is not an attack" doesn't mean it isn't. Like saying "You are ugly, no offense"
Was your response over the top, no. But you basically told me not to buy the game. Why should I interpret that as a friendly response?
And by the way ending your post with /thread is as rude as it gets. Like saying I have said all that needs to be said and get the last word.
Well looking back through the thread, there was only 1 comment that was kind of an attack and that was post #10 so playing this off as you were getting reemed and responded defencibly to me is innaccurate. Go ahead look back and see that you weren't being hammered in this thred until you started calling names and preaching that the community is garbage. People answered you and a couple you shot down because they didn't meet your discussion criteria. I am aware that saying it wasn't an attack doesn't make it so, but I was clarifying that it wasn't a "Go back to WoW" type comment and have posted civilly to your every rage post directed at me. I'll give you that /thread may have come off as mean, but by that point your question had been answered and we both know that when you have been very vocal against a game in the past that asking what you may think is a innocent question will bring out the pitchforks. Your wording from the OP makes it look like you weren't looking for an answer and a majority of the responces since have shown the same conclusion.
Yes that was my point. I asked a question and out came the pitchforks. My wording in my original post can only be interpreted as trolling if you are highly highly defensive about GW2. Which was my point regarding the community.
I think we actually are in agreement.
And green was my point. I'm not here to play word games with you, only posted my opinion. I have obliged you even though you resorted to personal attacks and will move on. Take the advice how you will.
Ok, please highlight in my original post the wording that makes it look like I didn't want an answer.
And just to help you with how the original post it is organized:
1) Context for why I am asking the question
2) Question
3) Why the answer is important to me
You can't reason with emotions. It is like trying to convince a cheerleader what is wrong with the game of her team. She don't care - she is only soooo excited whenever her team is playing.
"Stealth" should not last so long. It's rediculously overpowered atm.
if you wanna make a point,you should at least use a video of a thief thats recent.not one that was made months ago,alot probably has changed
and from what ive heard,thiefs are anything but overpowered atm.but meh,heres to hoping they improve in the next bwe,cuz i actually like the sound of thiefs but it seems like there just really underpowered
Thanks. I understand the no perma stealth thats no big deal when there is no open world PVP to be honest (perma stealth mainly useful for traveling in an open world PVP game or open world ganking which I avoid for the most part. I usually play a thief with an honor code LOL). Medium duration stealth with highly mobile hit/run tactics is how the thief works in other MMO battlefields. Thats how I like to play but early on the stealth was very limited. Seems now they added more stealth triggers which makes the thief in stealth more than it originally looked.
For me that is a plus.
I have not tried out the thief class, so I cannot respond directly to your first question. However, I have found, both from playing in the BWE and from reading forum discussions, that GW2 seems to have a bit more capacity for 'play how you want'. From the sounds of some other responses, it would seem there are mechanics in place that give you some of the features you want (mobile hit/run); one simply has to lump together the right features and weapons, and then simply play the role. I guess it's mostly in how you use it.
"Stealth" should not last so long. It's rediculously overpowered atm.
if you wanna make a point,you should at least use a video of a thief thats recent.not one that was made months ago,alot probably has changed
and from what ive heard,thiefs are anything but overpowered atm.but meh,heres to hoping they improve in the next bwe,cuz i actually like the sound of thiefs but it seems like there just really underpowered
I just showed you it is invisibility for most of a fight. You were trying to say that it's not invisible. If you haven't played the class, and obviously you haven't...you don't know. I'm not even talking about their damage.
LOL how original. The go back to WoW response. Clap clap clap. Did you think that one up all by yourself???
So if I asked for a game that was massively multiplayer would you tell me to go back to WoW as well?
Seriously the GW2 community looks to be one of the worst I've seen in a long time. Just sayin'
This is what I can't stand about people who judge the GW2 Community. You completely ignore everyone who gives you reasonable and well informed suggestions/answers, and go straight to the jesters ,taking what they say seriously, and then generalizing the ENTIRE GW2 community based on what they said. Justy sayin..
You can't reason with emotions. It is like trying to convince a cheerleader what is wrong with the game of her team. She don't care - she is only soooo excited whenever her team is playing.
Wait wait..... so one guy calls me a jackass, then the other comes in here and makes derogatotory comment about not critisizing the game due to it being in religious waters, and then makes an analogy comparing me to a cheerleader...... and I am the one that can't be reasoned with due to emotions? HAHA... ok back to class.
LOL how original. The go back to WoW response. Clap clap clap. Did you think that one up all by yourself???
So if I asked for a game that was massively multiplayer would you tell me to go back to WoW as well?
Seriously the GW2 community looks to be one of the worst I've seen in a long time. Just sayin'
This is what I can't stand about people who judge the GW2 Community. You completely ignore everyone who gives you reasonable and well informed suggestions/answers, and go straight to the jesters ,taking what they say seriously, and then generalizing the ENTIRE GW2 community based on what they said. Justy sayin..
In a traditional sense, there are (at least) 4 types of thief/rogue types:
1) The burgler- focuses entirely on places, not so much people. Good at evading traps, getting in and out of places unnoticed, and opening locks. Mostly non-combat.
2) The assassin- Focus on bursty stealth kills. Tend to be useless when they can't use their signature backstab-type ability.
3) The trickster- Uses poisons, traps, stealth, and other factors to royally screw with people. Not a1-shot kill kinda rogue, but lots of fun in combat. High mobility and versatility are the keys here.
4) The duelist- sustained damage, little to no stealth focus.great for long engagements or toe-to-toe fights.
Sadly, 1) Does not exist in any MMO, otehr than being a oft-overlooked skillset of the other 3. But I consider any MMO that has rogue types to do it well if they allow all three of those types to exist. permastealth tends to favor the Assassin. And that's cool if that's what you want. I like Trickster. I like turning my enemies on their heads. It's why I play Mesmer too. As long as they don't gimp my style of play (or make Assassin types so poewrful there's no point to playing anything else), I'm cool with the OPs vision of thieves (Which seems more in line with Assassin).
"Stealth" should not last so long. It's rediculously overpowered atm.
if you wanna make a point,you should at least use a video of a thief thats recent.not one that was made months ago,alot probably has changed
and from what ive heard,thiefs are anything but overpowered atm.but meh,heres to hoping they improve in the next bwe,cuz i actually like the sound of thiefs but it seems like there just really underpowered
I just showed you it is invisibility for most of a fight. You were trying to say that it's not invisible. If you haven't played the class, and obviously you haven't...you don't know. I'm not even talking about their damage.
my point wasnt about there damage,my point was,you wanted to make a point about thief stealth,you should of used a video that was recent not one that was like 4 months old
That outlook on the class is just another case of certain players forming an opinion of a class being lacking, when the reality of the situation is that the particular thief player simply wasn't very good.
An example of what thieves can do when you are not terrible:
Every beta weekend I've beta pummeling players with my Thief, non-stop, without much issue. Take it as you will, but for me that is evidence enough that skilled thieves will be just fine come launch.
This thread got lost somewhere and is now kind of going in two separate directions, mostly with arguments. Cleaning things up, but let's stay on the topic of the thief and not go off into cash shop or bait each other. Thanks
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Originally posted by Twisted77 I saw a vid where, with the right engineer buffs, you can keep stealth up almost indefinitely.
ArenaNet have seen that and now made it impossible to stack the stealth buff in duration.
So to answer the OPs question... the Thief or any profession in GW2 does not have any form of indefinite stealth, like in all the other MMORPGs with a rogue like class.
That outlook on the class is just another case of certain players forming an opinion of a class being lacking, when the reality of the situation is that the particular thief player simply wasn't very good.
An example of what thieves can do when you are not terrible:
Every beta weekend I've beta pummeling players with my Thief, non-stop, without much issue. Take it as you will, but for me that is evidence enough that skilled thieves will be just fine come launch.
Not to long ago some one leaked an internal conversation between the devs & the closed beta tester and judging from that, the Thief is being completely reworked. Chances are that any such build, like the one in that vid, won't work in the next beta weekend.
Thief seems like one of those professions that is really hard to "master" but if you do, you can roll on people who are not as skilled.
I am looking forward to doing a LOT more PvP in the final BWE as up until now I've mostly focused on PvE.
I agree completely.
In fact, it seems quite a bit like the Assassin in GW1. It seems really underpowered until you come across someone who really knows what they are doing with it and they whip your ass.
@OP - it seems to me that Anet was maybe trying to make this Thief a hybrid of sorts between the Ranged/Hyper Melee Ninja and the Stealthy Rogue. I've had fun playing my Thief that way in the BWE's and do ok with it so maybe that's what they were going for. Just a thought.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
You can't reason with emotions. It is like trying to convince a cheerleader what is wrong with the game of her team. She don't care - she is only soooo excited whenever her team is playing.
Wait wait..... so one guy calls me a jackass, then the other comes in here and makes derogatotory comment about not critisizing the game due to it being in religious waters, and then makes an analogy comparing me to a cheerleader...... and I am the one that can't be reasoned with due to emotions? HAHA... ok back to class.
lol and where in the text I mentioned you?
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You can't reason with emotions. It is like trying to convince a cheerleader what is wrong with the game of her team. She don't care - she is only soooo excited whenever her team is playing.
Wait wait..... so one guy calls me a jackass, then the other comes in here and makes derogatotory comment about not critisizing the game due to it being in religious waters, and then makes an analogy comparing me to a cheerleader...... and I am the one that can't be reasoned with due to emotions? HAHA... ok back to class.
lol and where in the text I mentioned you?
Disclaimer:
"All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."
Well in all fairness there were only 2 people in the quote and I wasn't the person you were agreeing with. By all means feel free to stay on topic however, the thread has been warned.
That outlook on the class is just another case of certain players forming an opinion of a class being lacking, when the reality of the situation is that the particular thief player simply wasn't very good.
An example of what thieves can do when you are not terrible:
Every beta weekend I've beta pummeling players with my Thief, non-stop, without much issue. Take it as you will, but for me that is evidence enough that skilled thieves will be just fine come launch.
Not to long ago some one leaked an internal conversation between the devs & the closed beta tester and judging from that, the Thief is being completely reworked. Chances are that any such build, like the one in that vid, won't work in the next beta weekend.
this is nice to read. we will see ... but as it stands now Thief is up - not much but still it needs a rework
I just hope this game will never get a permanent stealth like classes in WoW, SW:TOR or other games. I can live without the average person playing a WoW rogue playing this game too.
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Stealth is NOT INVISIBILITY.
I freaking hate that people confuse this.
Everyone who has common sense disagrees with your statements. because we all know that leveling faster in a game that moves your level DOWN to the zones you return to, and moves your level DOWN to the dungeons levels, and can only give you more and stronger abilities via fighting/learning through all weapon types gives such a great advantage you know. So you can reach level 80 and have the 1 button to press over and over again until you learn the rest of the abilities per weapon. Sure you'll have the talents but if you don't have the abilities how does that give an advantage again?....that's right it doesn't.
This IS Invisible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR5lFFJb6kA
"Stealth" should not last so long. It's rediculously overpowered atm.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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You could buy any skill, but you got nothing via the store that wasn't available for free. How on earth is that 'pay to win'? Sounds like 'play to have an exactly level playing field' to me.
You can't reason with emotions. It is like trying to convince a cheerleader what is wrong with the game of her team. She don't care - she is only soooo excited whenever her team is playing.
Or hating them for what they are NOT. which sadly is what happens when people mention the P2W meme.
if you wanna make a point,you should at least use a video of a thief thats recent.not one that was made months ago,alot probably has changed
and from what ive heard,thiefs are anything but overpowered atm.but meh,heres to hoping they improve in the next bwe,cuz i actually like the sound of thiefs but it seems like there just really underpowered
I have not tried out the thief class, so I cannot respond directly to your first question. However, I have found, both from playing in the BWE and from reading forum discussions, that GW2 seems to have a bit more capacity for 'play how you want'. From the sounds of some other responses, it would seem there are mechanics in place that give you some of the features you want (mobile hit/run); one simply has to lump together the right features and weapons, and then simply play the role. I guess it's mostly in how you use it.
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I just showed you it is invisibility for most of a fight. You were trying to say that it's not invisible. If you haven't played the class, and obviously you haven't...you don't know. I'm not even talking about their damage.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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This is what I can't stand about people who judge the GW2 Community. You completely ignore everyone who gives you reasonable and well informed suggestions/answers, and go straight to the jesters ,taking what they say seriously, and then generalizing the ENTIRE GW2 community based on what they said. Justy sayin..
Wait wait..... so one guy calls me a jackass, then the other comes in here and makes derogatotory comment about not critisizing the game due to it being in religious waters, and then makes an analogy comparing me to a cheerleader...... and I am the one that can't be reasoned with due to emotions? HAHA... ok back to class.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
QFT.
OP got his answer long ago.
In a traditional sense, there are (at least) 4 types of thief/rogue types:
1) The burgler- focuses entirely on places, not so much people. Good at evading traps, getting in and out of places unnoticed, and opening locks. Mostly non-combat.
2) The assassin- Focus on bursty stealth kills. Tend to be useless when they can't use their signature backstab-type ability.
3) The trickster- Uses poisons, traps, stealth, and other factors to royally screw with people. Not a1-shot kill kinda rogue, but lots of fun in combat. High mobility and versatility are the keys here.
4) The duelist- sustained damage, little to no stealth focus.great for long engagements or toe-to-toe fights.
Sadly, 1) Does not exist in any MMO, otehr than being a oft-overlooked skillset of the other 3. But I consider any MMO that has rogue types to do it well if they allow all three of those types to exist. permastealth tends to favor the Assassin. And that's cool if that's what you want. I like Trickster. I like turning my enemies on their heads. It's why I play Mesmer too. As long as they don't gimp my style of play (or make Assassin types so poewrful there's no point to playing anything else), I'm cool with the OPs vision of thieves (Which seems more in line with Assassin).
my point wasnt about there damage,my point was,you wanted to make a point about thief stealth,you should of used a video that was recent not one that was like 4 months old
Thieves are underpowered? I think not.
That outlook on the class is just another case of certain players forming an opinion of a class being lacking, when the reality of the situation is that the particular thief player simply wasn't very good.
An example of what thieves can do when you are not terrible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQoZ7KriIx8&list=UU06HX-01bVQXkQwPeyi2EZw&index=1&feature=plcp
Every beta weekend I've beta pummeling players with my Thief, non-stop, without much issue. Take it as you will, but for me that is evidence enough that skilled thieves will be just fine come launch.
This thread got lost somewhere and is now kind of going in two separate directions, mostly with arguments. Cleaning things up, but let's stay on the topic of the thief and not go off into cash shop or bait each other. Thanks
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ArenaNet have seen that and now made it impossible to stack the stealth buff in duration.
So to answer the OPs question... the Thief or any profession in GW2 does not have any form of indefinite stealth, like in all the other MMORPGs with a rogue like class.
Thief seems like one of those professions that is really hard to "master" but if you do, you can roll on people who are not as skilled.
I am looking forward to doing a LOT more PvP in the final BWE as up until now I've mostly focused on PvE.
Not to long ago some one leaked an internal conversation between the devs & the closed beta tester and judging from that, the Thief is being completely reworked. Chances are that any such build, like the one in that vid, won't work in the next beta weekend.
I agree completely.
In fact, it seems quite a bit like the Assassin in GW1. It seems really underpowered until you come across someone who really knows what they are doing with it and they whip your ass.
@OP - it seems to me that Anet was maybe trying to make this Thief a hybrid of sorts between the Ranged/Hyper Melee Ninja and the Stealthy Rogue. I've had fun playing my Thief that way in the BWE's and do ok with it so maybe that's what they were going for. Just a thought.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
lol and where in the text I mentioned you?
Disclaimer:
"All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."
Well in all fairness there were only 2 people in the quote and I wasn't the person you were agreeing with. By all means feel free to stay on topic however, the thread has been warned.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
this is nice to read. we will see ... but as it stands now Thief is up - not much but still it needs a rework
I just hope this game will never get a permanent stealth like classes in WoW, SW:TOR or other games. I can live without the average person playing a WoW rogue playing this game too.
Respect, walk
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