Originally posted by Livnthedream The problem is, its old content. Just like spoilers with tv, there is a certain point when they just no longer apply, similar can be said of any content. If you are new to it, when is it ok for you to unduly inconvenience them just because you do not want to spoil it for yourself. This is the sort of situation when you should not have queued up, and instead formed your own group so every knew ahead of time what they were walking into.
I agree with this to an extent. If you don't want to watch a video or read up on the fights thats fine. Form your own group and do whatever you all agree on. I never had a problem doing guild runs with people who didn't know the fights. Thats the whole idea of a guild. You surround yourself with like minded people. It just makes more sense to find a guild that suits your needs rather than think anyone in LFG is going to care about your experience. Good or bad that is just how things work.
I never really act that way, as long as you don't pull stuff while I'm tanking. I can't stand huntards and some others that think they're the "puller" Let the tank pull people jeez lol. I usually give a couple of warnings and tell them to stop. Then I go to my tanking motto: "You pull it, you tank it!" I normally don't have this problem, as I almost always play with friends, and they only do it to prank me, then I watch them die XD
"MM hunter only", "Have vent", "Know the fights", "Gear check", "Full epics", "No DK's" "X loot reserved for our guild". All from WoW. Your assertion that GW2 "demands more" than WoW ever did (let's say 2009) is completely laughable.
agree
have never seen anything more annoying than WOW's Gear score checks - in any mmo
Originally posted by Eir_S Originally posted by XiaokiUnfortunately, its quite hard to get groups for what you want to run through LA spam because most people are using gw2lfg. So, yes, gw2lfg is the GW2 community and they demand far more from players than WoW ever did. Everytime I see "Zerk War only", "Zerk Mez only", "30AR+ only", Experienced only", "Full Exotic or better only", "Ping gear plz", "No Thief, Ranger or Necro" makes me want to play GW2 less and less.
Your statements are simply perpetually ignorant, I can't really argue with someone who actually believes what you wrote in red; you then go on to list the same things WoW has done for nearly a decade.
"MM hunter only", "Have vent", "Know the fights", "Gear check", "Full epics", "No DK's" "X loot reserved for our guild". All from WoW. Your assertion that GW2 "demands more" than WoW ever did (let's say 2009) is completely laughable.
You're actually trying to convince someone who played WoW of this stuff, that's the best part.
Don't play GW2, but don't act like it's somehow worse than what's come before it.
PS: Here's a "just for fun" question. Two actually. Do you play WoW? And if you the answer is yes, why are you more willing to put up with the in-game elitism moreso than a third party site?
In fact, why is anyone? I think the answer to the surprise THIRD question is obvious. They just prefer one game's gameplay over the other's.
How about lets not derail this by trying to suggest gw2 doesn't suffer from this just like ever other game?
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How about lets not derail this by trying to suggest gw2 doesn't suffer from this just like ever other game?
How about not trying to troll me in suggesting that I suggested that? Oh, never mind, it's just you making the rounds. I simply said it wasn't worse. Thanks for the concern though.
I first noticed it being really widespread in WoW.Vanilla wasn't as bad it seemed,but somewhere in TBC it went downhill.Using the lfd system during Wotlk was a crapshoot at best.Probably 60%-70% of the group's I encountered had atleast one person that acted elitist and gogogo,and wanted to kick anyone that asked a question or lagged behind.
Whenever you got a good group of people,we would usually run multiple dungeon's so we could stick together.Impatience while playing make's it a bad experience for many.The old day's of playing with your guild and learning dungeon's look's to be a lost art.
A good deal of player's now,just want to rush and never want to take time to teach and give back!
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
It was my genuine hope that the mmorpg realm hadnt degraded as much as this.... but all hope seems lost for the genre now. I dont want to blame wow, cause it was a great game when i played, But the downfall does seem to start with it.
CAN I GET A SAVIOR! MMORPGS NEED YOUR HELP!
actually people just need to stop being so lazy and put in some work. stop looking for others to do all the work.
Originally posted by NitthHow about lets not derail this by trying to suggest gw2 doesn't suffer from this just like ever other game?
How about not trying to troll me in suggesting that I suggested that? Oh, never mind, it's just you making the rounds. I simply said it wasn't worse. Thanks for the concern though.
I'm not trolling you, I just want to read the thread without it switching to a gw2 defense thread because someones community experience (thus opinion) puts it in a bad light.
Your arguing that the community isnt bad as the rest? ..well unfortunately there is no absolutes, experiences differ from person to person same as every other game.
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As much as I'd like to agree with the OP and say that it's OK to go into a LFD/LFR blind and take your time and enjoy the story/show and learn the fight by trial and error...that isn't really fair to the other 4 or 24 people in the group.
The time for that sort of enjoyment is with your friends or guild. You can all enjoy a few laughs during your runs back from the graveyard.
And honestly, it's only the newest raid that people will get frustrated when people don't know what to do. Older/farmed content that everyone has done many times won't worry if a new guy doesn't know the fight unless they are a tank...
You know players used to be perfectly capable of plugging raids in the past (nax/ulduar/icc for e.g). And most of the same players are still in the game so will be more skilled and experienced - so why the fear in modern wow? I suspect its because noone cares so no one tries.
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So i was recently playing Tera, and i qued up for a dungeon. Me and a few friends just hit 60 a few days ago, and were checking out the dungeons that we had access to. Once the que finished, and the auto match maker created the party, i stated that it was my first time here, and can someone explain whats going to happen or what to expect?
The tank flies off into a rage saying "Dont que up for a dungeon if you have no idea what to expect!" Now this was very upsetting to me and it made me think about where things have come from, and where they are going. I explained to the guy that i refuse to watch a video before even attempting a dungeon. it ruins everything about it for me. We went back and forth and at the end we were on good terms.
To me its a sad when the mmo community no longer wants to attempt to learn things on their own. They all instantly start looking for videos for people who have done the fight before. What about seeing a boss do a move for the first time and being in AWE. How about getting 1 shotted and learning to never do that again. These things are part of the experience to me. Being told to read a guide first or watch a video before even going into a dungeon is lame imo. Its not just mmo's, but people (im not sure if i can still call them gamers) read guides before even getting their feet wet in almost everything now. League of Legends, Console Games, etc.
Has anyone else had an exerience similar to mine, or feels the same way i do? Or do you think watching videos and reading guides before you even take a stab at it is ok?
Also, why did you ask what was going to happen but couldn't be bother to look at a video? Is the real-time typing of words from your current party better than watching a video? Why must the others in your party explain to you something that is readily available? I mean...you asked THEM for the explanation of what to expect...why is the burden on THEM? If going in blind was your intent...why did you ASK?
Oh and...if this happened in TERA...why post this in the WoW forum?
Why did you ask what was going to happen but couldn't be bother to look at a video? Is the real-time typing of words from your current party better than watching a video?
Yep because... there is a level of interaction and conversation that you dont get watching a video... Maybe they offer a diffrent solution than what can be found at youtube?
Why must the others in your party explain to you something that is readily available? I mean...you asked THEM for the explanation of what to expect...why is the burden on THEM? If going in blind was your intent...why did you ASK?
Is that really a burden? What do people actually expect out of dungeons these days? it used to be half the fun working out a strategy to get through them.
Know all the strats? Most efficient speed runs are premade anyway. I dont see why people get so bent out of shape when they "roll the dice" and dont get 'excellent' randoms... [/quote]
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Welcome to what World of Warcraft helped start to promote in large scale. People aren't too patient with dungeons and to be honest, I can be in that catagory. I have a certain tolerance, mostly to stupidty though it can bother me a bit given I just want to get my 'reward' so to speak and leave. Its part due to the set up people wanting their goods and leaving. That instant gratification we come to want.
Still, you can't help those people who just freak at someone new playing. To me its easy to just explain something out, accept a screw up and move on. I just can't stand when people are playing god aweful to the point I ponder if they have like a 5 year old playing for them or just aren't even trying at all. I don't expect perfection but I can't see people not being able to pull at least some weight. You don't know how much it annoys me seeing people pulling 1/4th the dps that a NEW FRESH UNGEARED INDIVIDUAL in a dungeon can pull. I seriously to this day have 0 clue how its plausible in any game, even if you spam buttons you would likely deal more damage then that but...
Sorry, ranting. People become fickle due to stupidity, though some have just become extreme in that field that they are just asses not giving new players a chance. Blame games like WoW and the industry shifting for instant gratifaction and tacking on dungeons as a requirement.
This is the reason why I have lost any desire to dungeon/raid. Most players just do not wish to experience them. They just want to beat them. Again and again.
I want to play my games, not have someone else play them for me. I want the challenge of figuring things out, as a group, and overcoming that challenge, as a group.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I know, taking 5 minutes of your precious time is just such a HUGE inconvenience right? Next time when you have a question at your job / school, I sincerely hope you don't inconvenience your fellow workers / classmates by asking questions when you don't understand something.
Your attitude is exactly why most MMOs have absolutely sh*t communities. Here's an idea... if you don't want to deal with new people, why don't YOU form your own group outside the dungeon finder? After all, it's the only way to guarantee that you won't end up playing with the rest of us mere mortals!
Excuse you, what? You do realize that interrupting the class to cover something from a couple lessons ago makes you an inconsiderate ass right? Even in the work scenario there is a reason that RTFM is a thing you know? Stopping other people and putting them behind is rather unfair, especially for strangers. No, I generally do not stop and ask, because I know how to use the most powerful tool mankind has ever created, the internet. Merely going through and finding the answer yourself will often teach you all kinds of other things depending on the subject. At the very least I look before approaching an expert such as a teacher.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky
This is the reason why I have lost any desire to dungeon/raid. Most players just do not wish to experience them. They just want to beat them. Again and again.
I want to play my games, not have someone else play them for me. I want the challenge of figuring things out, as a group, and overcoming that challenge, as a group.
That is false. You just missed the "first wave" by lollygagging and "immersing" yourself in the content. Which is funny because you can do that and level efficiently. After any new launch or expansion there is a period of 2-3 weeks (generally a little longer for a new game) where players are expected to be new, that some learning/teaching is required. As time passes though that number drops considerably, just like the spoiler warning analogy I used earlier.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky This is the reason why I have lost any desire to dungeon/raid. Most players just do not wish to experience them. They just want to beat them. Again and again.I want to play my games, not have someone else play them for me. I want the challenge of figuring things out, as a group, and overcoming that challenge, as a group.
That is false. You just missed the "first wave" by lollygagging and "immersing" yourself in the content. Which is funny because you can do that and level efficiently. After any new launch or expansion there is a period of 2-3 weeks (generally a little longer for a new game) where players are expected to be new, that some learning/teaching is required. As time passes though that number drops considerably, just like the spoiler warning analogy I used earlier.
What is "false?" The reason *I* have no desire to dungeon/raid anymore? How could you possibly know? Am I a Deluded? (Don't answer that! )
"Level efficiently?" I don't do that. I try to enjoy the content presented, not gobble it up as fast as can be.
So, you're saying that if a player does NOT purchase the game at launch, does NOT "keep up with the Jones's", and does NOT rush through content at the speed of light, it is their fault for wanting to experience the same dungeons and raids that others have already "beaten?"
Again, THIS is the reason I have lost all desire to dungeon delve or raid.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
What is "false?" The reason *I* have no desire to dungeon/raid anymore? How could you possibly know? Am I a Deluded? (Don't answer that! )
"Level efficiently?" I don't do that. I try to enjoy the content presented, not gobble it up as fast as can be.
So, you're saying that if a player does NOT purchase the game at launch, does NOT "keep up with the Jones's", and does NOT rush through content at the speed of light, it is their fault for wanting to experience the same dungeons and raids that others have already "beaten?"
Again, THIS is the reason I have lost all desire to dungeon delve or raid.
No, false was aimed rather clearly at your remark that "players do not want to experience them". Whatever the players reason for being there, be it reward, to help a friend/guildmate, to see just how much of a douche he can be to the tank/healer by stressing them the f out, etc, they obviously want to be there and do that content. Its pretty hard to share a new "experience" with some random person you have never seen before and are unlikely to ever see again. Its not like this past weekend when I had the rather large joy of introducing my GF to Star Wars for the first time. This attitude that you were 10 minutes late to the movie so they should restart it just for you is the very reason why I hate pugging and will generally avoid it.
You are also misconstruing "efficient leveling". Putting together a solid leveling build, focusing on correct stats etc can all lead to faster kill times and less deaths meaning you complete quests faster. Drastically decreasing leveling time without "gobbling up" content. The complaints from those like you that those like me do not "stop to sniff the flowers" are stupidly false. I do not skip cutscenes, and I do all the quests, and tend to complete the majority (generally the entire) zone before moving on and still max out before you do. While you may get more "value per dollar" by forcing yourself to move slower I still have such a backlog of quality games to play I see no reason to force such restrictions on myself.
Originally posted by NitthHow about lets not derail this by trying to suggest gw2 doesn't suffer from this just like ever other game?
How about not trying to troll me in suggesting that I suggested that? Oh, never mind, it's just you making the rounds. I simply said it wasn't worse. Thanks for the concern though.
I'm not trolling you, I just want to read the thread without it switching to a gw2 defense thread because someones community experience (thus opinion) puts it in a bad light.
Your arguing that the community isnt bad as the rest? ..well unfortunately there is no absolutes, experiences differ from person to person same as every other game.
Fair enough, though the thread did start out with a comparison to Tera.
So i was recently playing Tera, and i qued up for a dungeon. Me and a few friends just hit 60 a few days ago, and were checking out the dungeons that we had access to. Once the que finished, and the auto match maker created the party, i stated that it was my first time here, and can someone explain whats going to happen or what to expect?
The tank flies off into a rage saying "Dont que up for a dungeon if you have no idea what to expect!" Now this was very upsetting to me and it made me think about where things have come from, and where they are going. I explained to the guy that i refuse to watch a video before even attempting a dungeon. it ruins everything about it for me. We went back and forth and at the end we were on good terms.
To me its a sad when the mmo community no longer wants to attempt to learn things on their own. They all instantly start looking for videos for people who have done the fight before. What about seeing a boss do a move for the first time and being in AWE. How about getting 1 shotted and learning to never do that again. These things are part of the experience to me. Being told to read a guide first or watch a video before even going into a dungeon is lame imo. Its not just mmo's, but people (im not sure if i can still call them gamers) read guides before even getting their feet wet in almost everything now. League of Legends, Console Games, etc.
Has anyone else had an exerience similar to mine, or feels the same way i do? Or do you think watching videos and reading guides before you even take a stab at it is ok?
Also, why did you ask what was going to happen but couldn't be bother to look at a video? Is the real-time typing of words from your current party better than watching a video? Why must the others in your party explain to you something that is readily available? I mean...you asked THEM for the explanation of what to expect...why is the burden on THEM? If going in blind was your intent...why did you ASK?
Oh and...if this happened in TERA...why post this in the WoW forum?
I didnt ask for a video because of spoilers. Yes, i hate visual spoilers. Saying the boss is going to shoot a lazer and then me seeing the lazer for the first time and being amazed or appaled is totally different than me. WAtching a video first ruins it for me sadly. i like to have general ideas then see first hand, not see everything all at once and know what to do.
Its in WoW forums due to an accident mostly, but this does relate to wow as well. Actually most mmo's nowadays this relates to.
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I agree with this to an extent. If you don't want to watch a video or read up on the fights thats fine. Form your own group and do whatever you all agree on. I never had a problem doing guild runs with people who didn't know the fights. Thats the whole idea of a guild. You surround yourself with like minded people. It just makes more sense to find a guild that suits your needs rather than think anyone in LFG is going to care about your experience. Good or bad that is just how things work.
agree
have never seen anything more annoying than WOW's Gear score checks - in any mmo
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"MM hunter only", "Have vent", "Know the fights", "Gear check", "Full epics", "No DK's" "X loot reserved for our guild". All from WoW. Your assertion that GW2 "demands more" than WoW ever did (let's say 2009) is completely laughable.
You're actually trying to convince someone who played WoW of this stuff, that's the best part.
Don't play GW2, but don't act like it's somehow worse than what's come before it.
PS: Here's a "just for fun" question. Two actually. Do you play WoW? And if you the answer is yes, why are you more willing to put up with the in-game elitism moreso than a third party site?
In fact, why is anyone? I think the answer to the surprise THIRD question is obvious. They just prefer one game's gameplay over the other's.
How about lets not derail this by trying to suggest gw2 doesn't suffer from this just like ever other game?
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How about not trying to troll me in suggesting that I suggested that? Oh, never mind, it's just you making the rounds. I simply said it wasn't worse. Thanks for the concern though.
I first noticed it being really widespread in WoW.Vanilla wasn't as bad it seemed,but somewhere in TBC it went downhill.Using the lfd system during Wotlk was a crapshoot at best.Probably 60%-70% of the group's I encountered had atleast one person that acted elitist and gogogo,and wanted to kick anyone that asked a question or lagged behind.
Whenever you got a good group of people,we would usually run multiple dungeon's so we could stick together.Impatience while playing make's it a bad experience for many.The old day's of playing with your guild and learning dungeon's look's to be a lost art.
A good deal of player's now,just want to rush and never want to take time to teach and give back!
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Arya Stark
It was my genuine hope that the mmorpg realm hadnt degraded as much as this.... but all hope seems lost for the genre now. I dont want to blame wow, cause it was a great game when i played, But the downfall does seem to start with it.
CAN I GET A SAVIOR! MMORPGS NEED YOUR HELP!
actually people just need to stop being so lazy and put in some work. stop looking for others to do all the work.
I'm not trolling you, I just want to read the thread without it switching to a gw2 defense thread because someones community experience (thus opinion) puts it in a bad light.
Your arguing that the community isnt bad as the rest? ..well unfortunately there is no absolutes, experiences differ from person to person same as every other game.
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As much as I'd like to agree with the OP and say that it's OK to go into a LFD/LFR blind and take your time and enjoy the story/show and learn the fight by trial and error...that isn't really fair to the other 4 or 24 people in the group.
The time for that sort of enjoyment is with your friends or guild. You can all enjoy a few laughs during your runs back from the graveyard.
And honestly, it's only the newest raid that people will get frustrated when people don't know what to do. Older/farmed content that everyone has done many times won't worry if a new guy doesn't know the fight unless they are a tank...
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Also, why did you ask what was going to happen but couldn't be bother to look at a video? Is the real-time typing of words from your current party better than watching a video? Why must the others in your party explain to you something that is readily available? I mean...you asked THEM for the explanation of what to expect...why is the burden on THEM? If going in blind was your intent...why did you ASK?
Oh and...if this happened in TERA...why post this in the WoW forum?
Yep because... there is a level of interaction and conversation that you dont get watching a video... Maybe they offer a diffrent solution than what can be found at youtube?
Is that really a burden? What do people actually expect out of dungeons these days?
it used to be half the fun working out a strategy to get through them.
Know all the strats? Most efficient speed runs are premade anyway. I dont see why people get so bent out of shape when they "roll the dice" and dont get 'excellent' randoms...
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Welcome to what World of Warcraft helped start to promote in large scale. People aren't too patient with dungeons and to be honest, I can be in that catagory. I have a certain tolerance, mostly to stupidty though it can bother me a bit given I just want to get my 'reward' so to speak and leave. Its part due to the set up people wanting their goods and leaving. That instant gratification we come to want.
Still, you can't help those people who just freak at someone new playing. To me its easy to just explain something out, accept a screw up and move on. I just can't stand when people are playing god aweful to the point I ponder if they have like a 5 year old playing for them or just aren't even trying at all. I don't expect perfection but I can't see people not being able to pull at least some weight. You don't know how much it annoys me seeing people pulling 1/4th the dps that a NEW FRESH UNGEARED INDIVIDUAL in a dungeon can pull. I seriously to this day have 0 clue how its plausible in any game, even if you spam buttons you would likely deal more damage then that but...
Sorry, ranting. People become fickle due to stupidity, though some have just become extreme in that field that they are just asses not giving new players a chance. Blame games like WoW and the industry shifting for instant gratifaction and tacking on dungeons as a requirement.
This is the reason why I have lost any desire to dungeon/raid. Most players just do not wish to experience them. They just want to beat them. Again and again.
I want to play my games, not have someone else play them for me. I want the challenge of figuring things out, as a group, and overcoming that challenge, as a group.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Excuse you, what? You do realize that interrupting the class to cover something from a couple lessons ago makes you an inconsiderate ass right? Even in the work scenario there is a reason that RTFM is a thing you know? Stopping other people and putting them behind is rather unfair, especially for strangers. No, I generally do not stop and ask, because I know how to use the most powerful tool mankind has ever created, the internet. Merely going through and finding the answer yourself will often teach you all kinds of other things depending on the subject. At the very least I look before approaching an expert such as a teacher.
That is false. You just missed the "first wave" by lollygagging and "immersing" yourself in the content. Which is funny because you can do that and level efficiently. After any new launch or expansion there is a period of 2-3 weeks (generally a little longer for a new game) where players are expected to be new, that some learning/teaching is required. As time passes though that number drops considerably, just like the spoiler warning analogy I used earlier.
http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/
Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!
"Level efficiently?" I don't do that. I try to enjoy the content presented, not gobble it up as fast as can be.
So, you're saying that if a player does NOT purchase the game at launch, does NOT "keep up with the Jones's", and does NOT rush through content at the speed of light, it is their fault for wanting to experience the same dungeons and raids that others have already "beaten?"
Again, THIS is the reason I have lost all desire to dungeon delve or raid.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
No, false was aimed rather clearly at your remark that "players do not want to experience them". Whatever the players reason for being there, be it reward, to help a friend/guildmate, to see just how much of a douche he can be to the tank/healer by stressing them the f out, etc, they obviously want to be there and do that content. Its pretty hard to share a new "experience" with some random person you have never seen before and are unlikely to ever see again. Its not like this past weekend when I had the rather large joy of introducing my GF to Star Wars for the first time. This attitude that you were 10 minutes late to the movie so they should restart it just for you is the very reason why I hate pugging and will generally avoid it.
You are also misconstruing "efficient leveling". Putting together a solid leveling build, focusing on correct stats etc can all lead to faster kill times and less deaths meaning you complete quests faster. Drastically decreasing leveling time without "gobbling up" content. The complaints from those like you that those like me do not "stop to sniff the flowers" are stupidly false. I do not skip cutscenes, and I do all the quests, and tend to complete the majority (generally the entire) zone before moving on and still max out before you do. While you may get more "value per dollar" by forcing yourself to move slower I still have such a backlog of quality games to play I see no reason to force such restrictions on myself.
http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/
Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!
Fair enough, though the thread did start out with a comparison to Tera.
I didnt ask for a video because of spoilers. Yes, i hate visual spoilers. Saying the boss is going to shoot a lazer and then me seeing the lazer for the first time and being amazed or appaled is totally different than me. WAtching a video first ruins it for me sadly. i like to have general ideas then see first hand, not see everything all at once and know what to do.
Its in WoW forums due to an accident mostly, but this does relate to wow as well. Actually most mmo's nowadays this relates to.