I have played rift from day one till just now and loved it.I have a max level of all the classes The best pvp/pve gear on all my toons.
I have unsubed and quit Rift as of typing this up. Very sad day when one of the best dev teams sell gear like this.
As a guy that has played this game more then 8 hours a day from day 1 live till now this should say a lot I hope.The only voice I have is to speak with my $$.
Let me see if I have this straight. You have played Rift since day 1, have 4 max level characters with all the best gear, and have played 8 hours per day for a full 2 years and 3 months. Really?
Because according to your post history this is your very first ever post on Rift, but in 2012 you were buying a 90 day sub to WoW, spent 30 days researching EVE and were planning on dedicating to EVE and multiboxing 5 to 10 accounts while you spent the next year learning mining, learning everything, and getting into a good corp. All while playing Rift 8 hours per day, eh? Impressive.
To everyone thinking about downloading Rift and leaning toward not doing so because of this thread, please be aware that threads like this are full of people who think their life is a little brighter by disparaging games that they may or may not have ever actually played. While folks like Synthetick and Adokas actually have a problem with the Rift cash shop and have well-thought-out reasons for feeling this way, if you have no particular predisposition against cash shops in general I'd strongly suggest downloading it and playing it for yourself. It's a good game and historically the dev team has been very well-liked by the community.
You know...I could just care less what is in the cash shop.People have been jumping on the ftp/btp bandwagon big time.Supporting the model's left and right.Then turn around and complain about what's put in the cash shop.
I'll be playing Rift with fury and passion because I like the game and I could care less if Joe Schmoe is running around in store bought gear.It doesn't take any fun away from me,and that's most important part when I play games.Am I (me) having fun?I could care less about Joe!
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
even expert gear isn't that great most guild won't even accept you in the raid with only this .They will prefer craft you the high end crafting set than expert dungeon sets.
oh well people QQ over something they have the choice to grind for .
The sad part isn't necessarily that this is happening, it's that these F2P games and games that become F2P aren't even willing to try a fairer model before just aiming to cash in on whales seeking in game advantages.
Do publishers completely ignore the success of Riot Games's League of Legends and their cash shop which can't even possibly be misconstrued as pay to win? You don't have to offer advantages in the cash shop to get people spending money in it!
Out of curiosity, can someone post a summary of what is offered in the Rift Cash Shop and what benefit you have for subbing to the game over a non-subbing player?
I have played rift from day one till just now and loved it.I have a max level of all the classes The best pvp/pve gear on all my toons.
I have unsubed and quit Rift as of typing this up. Very sad day when one of the best dev teams sell gear like this.
As a guy that has played this game more then 8 hours a day from day 1 live till now this should say a lot I hope.The only voice I have is to speak with my $$.
Let me see if I have this straight. You have played Rift since day 1, have 4 max level characters with all the best gear, and have played 8 hours per day for a full 2 years and 3 months. Really?
Because according to your post history this is your very first ever post on Rift, but in 2012 you were buying a 90 day sub to WoW, spent 30 days researching EVE and were planning on dedicating to EVE and multiboxing 5 to 10 accounts while you spent the next year learning mining, learning everything, and getting into a good corp. All while playing Rift 8 hours per day, eh? Impressive.
To everyone thinking about downloading Rift and leaning toward not doing so because of this thread, please be aware that threads like this are full of people who think their life is a little brighter by disparaging games that they may or may not have ever actually played. While folks like Synthetick and Adokas actually have a problem with the Rift cash shop and have well-thought-out reasons for feeling this way, if you have no particular predisposition against cash shops in general I'd strongly suggest downloading it and playing it for yourself. It's a good game and historically the dev team has been very well-liked by the community.
I have played rift from day one till just now and loved it.I have a max level of all the classes The best pvp/pve gear on all my toons.
I have unsubed and quit Rift as of typing this up. Very sad day when one of the best dev teams sell gear like this.
As a guy that has played this game more then 8 hours a day from day 1 live till now this should say a lot I hope.The only voice I have is to speak with my $$.
Let me see if I have this straight. You have played Rift since day 1, have 4 max level characters with all the best gear, and have played 8 hours per day for a full 2 years and 3 months. Really?
Because according to your post history this is your very first ever post on Rift, but in 2012 you were buying a 90 day sub to WoW, spent 30 days researching EVE and were planning on dedicating to EVE and multiboxing 5 to 10 accounts while you spent the next year learning mining, learning everything, and getting into a good corp. All while playing Rift 8 hours per day, eh? Impressive.
To everyone thinking about downloading Rift and leaning toward not doing so because of this thread, please be aware that threads like this are full of people who think their life is a little brighter by disparaging games that they may or may not have ever actually played. While folks like Synthetick and Adokas actually have a problem with the Rift cash shop and have well-thought-out reasons for feeling this way, if you have no particular predisposition against cash shops in general I'd strongly suggest downloading it and playing it for yourself. It's a good game and historically the dev team has been very well-liked by the community.
very well said
Agree^^^ and +1 to Iamfly
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
I have played rift from day one till just now and loved it.I have a max level of all the classes The best pvp/pve gear on all my toons.
I have unsubed and quit Rift as of typing this up. Very sad day when one of the best dev teams sell gear like this.
As a guy that has played this game more then 8 hours a day from day 1 live till now this should say a lot I hope.The only voice I have is to speak with my $$.
Let me see if I have this straight. You have played Rift since day 1, have 4 max level characters with all the best gear, and have played 8 hours per day for a full 2 years and 3 months. Really?
Because according to your post history this is your very first ever post on Rift, but in 2012 you were buying a 90 day sub to WoW, spent 30 days researching EVE and were planning on dedicating to EVE and multiboxing 5 to 10 accounts while you spent the next year learning mining, learning everything, and getting into a good corp. All while playing Rift 8 hours per day, eh? Impressive.
To everyone thinking about downloading Rift and leaning toward not doing so because of this thread, please be aware that threads like this are full of people who think their life is a little brighter by disparaging games that they may or may not have ever actually played. While folks like Synthetick and Adokas actually have a problem with the Rift cash shop and have well-thought-out reasons for feeling this way, if you have no particular predisposition against cash shops in general I'd strongly suggest downloading it and playing it for yourself. It's a good game and historically the dev team has been very well-liked by the community.
The sad part isn't necessarily that this is happening, it's that these F2P games and games that become F2P aren't even willing to try a fairer model before just aiming to cash in on whales seeking in game advantages.
Do publishers completely ignore the success of Riot Games's League of Legends and their cash shop which can't even possibly be misconstrued as pay to win? You don't have to offer advantages in the cash shop to get people spending money in it!
Out of curiosity, can someone post a summary of what is offered in the Rift Cash Shop and what benefit you have for subbing to the game over a non-subbing player?
The cash shop pretty much runs the gamut from bags to mounts to xp boosts to gear. You purchase credits with real money which you can then use to purchase items. $5 at a minimum gets you 750 credits, $100 at maximum gets you 18,500 credits and a lot of purchasing power. As a point of reference, one of the mounts that I achieved during a recent world event is on sale for 900 credits.
The gear that everyone is up in arms over really is rather entry level. Right now my most recent level 60 who has not done any dungeons could purchase a ring, for example, that would be only slightly better than the rings he already has. The one exception seems to be capes, where you can purchase a much better cape than you are likely to have by level 60 through in-game means.
Most people I know are not really that into the subbing option at this time. Mostly it gives xp, speed and gold bonuses but nothing big. The most bang for your buck is probably to buy the Storm Legion expansion which gives you more roles, more bag space, and the storm legion souls.
As a point of reference, one of the mounts that I achieved during a recent world event is on sale for 900 credits.
And you don't have a big issue with this? Earned/dropped mounts should not be for sale in the shop. It discourages people from wanting to earn them in the first place.
I would have less of an issue if Rift wasnt trying for a hybrid model by collecting sub money too. just drop the sub option completely and go full f2p if you are going to do tacky shit like selling earned mounts and dungeon gear.
As a point of reference, one of the mounts that I achieved during a recent world event is on sale for 900 credits.
And you don't have a big issue with this? Earned/dropped mounts should not be for sale in the shop. It discourages people from wanting to earn them in the first place.
I would have less of an issue if Rift wasnt trying for a hybrid model by collecting sub money too. just drop the sub option completely and go full f2p if you are going to do tacky shit like selling earned mounts and dungeon gear.
Big issue? No. Slightly disappointed? Yes. To be fair, I got the mount by spending about 15 minutes per week doing weekly event quests. 45 minutes of my time vs. about $6 in the store. It was nice having a mount that not everybody knew how to get, but it was so darn easy to get if you paid attention to the event that it's not anything special nor did I have to work hard for it in the first place.
I would prefer if the cash shop only sold mounts that were unique to the cash shop. But on the flip side, I was guilty of looking down on people who purchased the unique mounts in WoW so I think it's probably better for the community to just keep everything a little more generic.
To me, it seems like this whole concept of cash shops is evolving. Slowly changing what is okay to sell in the shop, and people are fine with it, it seems.
You say that as if cash shops have been the norm and widely accepted in western mmo's since creation. Five to eight years ago the majority of people who post on these forums (and others) would of been up in arms over just the thought of playing a mmo with a cash shop. Which they were. Especially on top of a pay-to-play models. No where near as many discussions and outrage as there was years ago when these things first started popping up in p2p's. Very few would post in favor of them and there were countless threads daily on any given gamin forum talking about them.
Agreed. I'm willing to bet most players in this thread were against cash shops, but since it's their beloved Rift, it's acceptable now. People were against Lotro, EQ2, and GW2's cash shops, but it's Rift, so it's alright.
More to the point though, there is nothing evolving about cash shops. It's just a concept to get more money. Simple as that. And Rift isn't evolving into anything different. It's selling gear for convenience, and that's the main issue.
The line between convenience & p2w is being blurred here and the Rift loyalists cannot see it clearly.
As a point of reference, one of the mounts that I achieved during a recent world event is on sale for 900 credits.
And you don't have a big issue with this? Earned/dropped mounts should not be for sale in the shop. It discourages people from wanting to earn them in the first place.
I would have less of an issue if Rift wasnt trying for a hybrid model by collecting sub money too. just drop the sub option completely and go full f2p if you are going to do tacky shit like selling earned mounts and dungeon gear.
Big issue? No. Slightly disappointed? Yes. To be fair, I got the mount by spending about 15 minutes per week doing weekly event quests. 45 minutes of my time vs. about $6 in the store. It was nice having a mount that not everybody knew how to get, but it was so darn easy to get if you paid attention to the event that it's not anything special nor did I have to work hard for it in the first place.
I would prefer if the cash shop only sold mounts that were unique to the cash shop. But on the flip side, I was guilty of looking down on people who purchased the unique mounts in WoW so I think it's probably better for the community to just keep everything a little more generic.
Kudos to a fair, honest answer.
Ultimately I'm going to play what i find is the most fun, so like you I don't think the cash shop festival mounts are a deal breaker. I just don't like that they are pushing the limits of what is acceptable. They know people will buy this stuff, and lots of it. They are going to make a killing off of the dungeon gear if it's priced reasonably. To me, the concept of play the game to get this or just buy it instead is a terrible concept.
I probably wont be back to Rift until 3.0 if they don't make some decent changes to the game as it stands now, but I'm the type that would gladly pay a sub and maybe toss a few dollars here and there for dimensions. if the cash shop stays as it is I will pay Rift nothing.
To me, it seems like this whole concept of cash shops is evolving. Slowly changing what is okay to sell in the shop, and people are fine with it, it seems.
You say that as if cash shops have been the norm and widely accepted in western mmo's since creation. Five to eight years ago the majority of people who post on these forums (and others) would of been up in arms over just the thought of playing a mmo with a cash shop. Which they were. Especially on top of a pay-to-play models. No where near as many discussions and outrage as there was years ago when these things first started popping up in p2p's. Very few would post in favor of them and there were countless threads daily on any given gamin forum talking about them.
Agreed. I'm willing to bet most players in this thread were against cash shops, but since it's their beloved Rift, it's acceptable now. People were against Lotro, EQ2, and GW2's cash shops, but it's Rift, so it's alright.
More to the point though, there is nothing evolving about cash shops. It's just a concept to get more money. Simple as that. And Rift isn't evolving into anything different. It's selling gear for convenience, and that's the main issue.
The line between convenience & p2w is being blurred here and the Rift loyalists cannot see it clearly.
I agree 100%. But what I meant with evolving was not the cash shops in themselves, but rather peoples perceptions of them. It's rapidly going from being something completely crap, to a vital and acceptable part of an MMO Suppose peoples opinions change fast, when it's their own game affected.
To me, it seems like this whole concept of cash shops is evolving. Slowly changing what is okay to sell in the shop, and people are fine with it, it seems.
You say that as if cash shops have been the norm and widely accepted in western mmo's since creation. Five to eight years ago the majority of people who post on these forums (and others) would of been up in arms over just the thought of playing a mmo with a cash shop. Which they were. Especially on top of a pay-to-play models. No where near as many discussions and outrage as there was years ago when these things first started popping up in p2p's. Very few would post in favor of them and there were countless threads daily on any given gamin forum talking about them.
Agreed. I'm willing to bet most players in this thread were against cash shops, but since it's their beloved Rift, it's acceptable now. People were against Lotro, EQ2, and GW2's cash shops, but it's Rift, so it's alright.
More to the point though, there is nothing evolving about cash shops. It's just a concept to get more money. Simple as that. And Rift isn't evolving into anything different. It's selling gear for convenience, and that's the main issue.
The line between convenience & p2w is being blurred here and the Rift loyalists cannot see it clearly.
@Observer,I for one have never had a problem with cash shop's,unless they really truly offer a distinct advantage over non payer's.I've always felt that leveling faster/increased drop rate/healing pots/talent point's and so on are not ptw because you can get those things just by playing the game.
The fact Trion is selling gear is fine with me,because it can be acquired in game also.There's also better gear to be had.
How can this be confused with what would be ptw?
To me a ptw would be pay x amount and get a lvl 40 character with top gear for that lvl and 20 plat,just for using the cc.Now that is what ptw look's like to me.Certainly not boost's/talent's/drop's and such.
Opinion's vary and that's fine,but at the end of the day,does it affect your gameplay in any way?Or is it just something you're stuck on and can't get past?
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Why are you people complaining. Do you really think you should be able to freeload all the way to end game content and including end game content?
That's a ridiculous hope and dream. You realize (as you often say) that paying gamers is here to pay your way and now you complain when such a mechanic exists.
The (insert word) is thick with this place.
EDIT: My GF just explained it to me. They expect the same game experience being free while I'm paying. If that's true then you can stuff it.
If you're already currently paying for the game, then you wouldn't of needed your GF to explain this to you. You would understand what's going on.
The problem is, most of the people that have came here and actually explained why they irritated are paying subscribers. The game isn't free yet, and there's a handful of people on this thread with lifetime subscriptions. Like I said in an earlier reply, there were 3 lifestime subscriptions alone in my household.
I believe that reserves me the right to at least state an opinion on a product I paid box price + lifetime subscription x3.
And since you had to have your GF explain this to you, I doubt you play currently, so what ground do you have to question legitimate opinions of paying customers?
Rift has/had a lifetime sub option? I don't remember ever seeing this.
Why are you people complaining. Do you really think you should be able to freeload all the way to end game content and including end game content?
That's a ridiculous hope and dream. You realize (as you often say) that paying gamers is here to pay your way and now you complain when such a mechanic exists.
The (insert word) is thick with this place.
EDIT: My GF just explained it to me. They expect the same game experience being free while I'm paying. If that's true then you can stuff it.
If you're already currently paying for the game, then you wouldn't of needed your GF to explain this to you. You would understand what's going on.
The problem is, most of the people that have came here and actually explained why they irritated are paying subscribers. The game isn't free yet, and there's a handful of people on this thread with lifetime subscriptions. Like I said in an earlier reply, there were 3 lifestime subscriptions alone in my household.
I believe that reserves me the right to at least state an opinion on a product I paid box price + lifetime subscription x3.
And since you had to have your GF explain this to you, I doubt you play currently, so what ground do you have to question legitimate opinions of paying customers?
Rift has/had a lifetime sub option? I don't remember ever seeing this.
Me either,the highest sub amount was/is 12 month.I think they're confusing Rift with another game.
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Why are you people complaining. Do you really think you should be able to freeload all the way to end game content and including end game content?
That's a ridiculous hope and dream. You realize (as you often say) that paying gamers is here to pay your way and now you complain when such a mechanic exists.
The (insert word) is thick with this place.
EDIT: My GF just explained it to me. They expect the same game experience being free while I'm paying. If that's true then you can stuff it.
If you're already currently paying for the game, then you wouldn't of needed your GF to explain this to you. You would understand what's going on.
The problem is, most of the people that have came here and actually explained why they irritated are paying subscribers. The game isn't free yet, and there's a handful of people on this thread with lifetime subscriptions. Like I said in an earlier reply, there were 3 lifestime subscriptions alone in my household.
I believe that reserves me the right to at least state an opinion on a product I paid box price + lifetime subscription x3.
And since you had to have your GF explain this to you, I doubt you play currently, so what ground do you have to question legitimate opinions of paying customers?
Rift has/had a lifetime sub option? I don't remember ever seeing this.
Yeah. A quick Google search comes up empty on that account. Showing only news articles where the Rift team shoots down any options of lifetime subscriptions.
I've been a player since Beta, and I was thinking about leaving just because of the f2p. I guess I'll have to go back to WoW, it's the only P2P left anymore lol.
Originally posted by Gravarg I've been a player since Beta, and I was thinking about leaving just because of the f2p. I guess I'll have to go back to WoW, it's the only P2P left anymore lol.
i m taking the opposite way. leaving wow for rift after 8 years. no more fun for me in wow even if its p2p.
To me, it seems like this whole concept of cash shops is evolving. Slowly changing what is okay to sell in the shop, and people are fine with it, it seems.
You say that as if cash shops have been the norm and widely accepted in western mmo's since creation. Five to eight years ago the majority of people who post on these forums (and others) would of been up in arms over just the thought of playing a mmo with a cash shop. Which they were. Especially on top of a pay-to-play models. No where near as many discussions and outrage as there was years ago when these things first started popping up in p2p's. Very few would post in favor of them and there were countless threads daily on any given gamin forum talking about them.
Agreed. I'm willing to bet most players in this thread were against cash shops, but since it's their beloved Rift, it's acceptable now. People were against Lotro, EQ2, and GW2's cash shops, but it's Rift, so it's alright.
More to the point though, there is nothing evolving about cash shops. It's just a concept to get more money. Simple as that. And Rift isn't evolving into anything different. It's selling gear for convenience, and that's the main issue.
The line between convenience & p2w is being blurred here and the Rift loyalists cannot see it clearly.
For the record, I was cash shop neutral originally. I dabbled with Perfect World, enjoyed my time there, and never spent a dime. I didn't continue with that game in part because of the p2w nature of it, but still considered it a win/win since I had gotten hours of entertainment for free.
I have been a huge supporter of the f2p model since DDO went f2p. I had never tried it previously because of the bad reviews but since it went f2p some friends and I have been playing once per week for a few hours at a time. One of us subscribes, the other two of us have purchased all of the 1 through 20 content, taking advantage of the frequent sales, and have spent far less than I spent on WoW over the same period. Since then I have maintained that buying content is better than renting it.
I prefer buying content to buying items. That said, I will be able to continue playing Rift for even less than than I pay for DDO going forward, should I choose to un-sub (I'm still on the fence.) So while you may be correct about some Rift fans, speaking for myself your statements could not be further from the truth.
Oh - and I un-subbed from WoW last year. I simply could not justify paying $15 per month to play it once per week while I was paying for Rift and paying far less than $15 per month for DDO. It is likely that Rift will be the last game I ever pay a monthly fee for.
Originally posted by Gravarg I've been a player since Beta, and I was thinking about leaving just because of the f2p. I guess I'll have to go back to WoW, it's the only P2P left anymore lol.
i m taking the opposite way. leaving wow for rift after 8 years. no more fun for me in wow even if its p2p.
When both have subs you prefer WoW but if one is free youll go for the free option. So you are implying you'd rather play WoW than Rift even if you arent finding it fun anymore.
Read through a lot of post and all I can say if "What a bunch of whiners!!!" I for one am glad you guys are leaving. Jeez if you guys are like this on a forum then I can only imagine the whining you must be doing in the game. The world is ending, the F2P players are coming... The game is ruined, the F2P players are coming... Etc, Etc, Etc. It's a game folks, not a real place...
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Let me see if I have this straight. You have played Rift since day 1, have 4 max level characters with all the best gear, and have played 8 hours per day for a full 2 years and 3 months. Really?
Because according to your post history this is your very first ever post on Rift, but in 2012 you were buying a 90 day sub to WoW, spent 30 days researching EVE and were planning on dedicating to EVE and multiboxing 5 to 10 accounts while you spent the next year learning mining, learning everything, and getting into a good corp. All while playing Rift 8 hours per day, eh? Impressive.
To everyone thinking about downloading Rift and leaning toward not doing so because of this thread, please be aware that threads like this are full of people who think their life is a little brighter by disparaging games that they may or may not have ever actually played. While folks like Synthetick and Adokas actually have a problem with the Rift cash shop and have well-thought-out reasons for feeling this way, if you have no particular predisposition against cash shops in general I'd strongly suggest downloading it and playing it for yourself. It's a good game and historically the dev team has been very well-liked by the community.
http://www.youtube.com/flymolo
You know...I could just care less what is in the cash shop.People have been jumping on the ftp/btp bandwagon big time.Supporting the model's left and right.Then turn around and complain about what's put in the cash shop.
I'll be playing Rift with fury and passion because I like the game and I could care less if Joe Schmoe is running around in store bought gear.It doesn't take any fun away from me,and that's most important part when I play games.Am I (me) having fun?I could care less about Joe!
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Arya Stark
even expert gear isn't that great most guild won't even accept you in the raid with only this .They will prefer craft you the high end crafting set than expert dungeon sets.
oh well people QQ over something they have the choice to grind for .
The sad part isn't necessarily that this is happening, it's that these F2P games and games that become F2P aren't even willing to try a fairer model before just aiming to cash in on whales seeking in game advantages.
Do publishers completely ignore the success of Riot Games's League of Legends and their cash shop which can't even possibly be misconstrued as pay to win? You don't have to offer advantages in the cash shop to get people spending money in it!
Out of curiosity, can someone post a summary of what is offered in the Rift Cash Shop and what benefit you have for subbing to the game over a non-subbing player?
I hope people will wake up soon, and realise that if you guys keep asking for f2p, this will not stop here, it'll only get worse.
So much for fun gaming, now it's all about getting you to reach for your credit card.
very well said
Agree^^^ and +1 to Iamfly
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Arya Stark
Ohhhh SNAP
The cash shop pretty much runs the gamut from bags to mounts to xp boosts to gear. You purchase credits with real money which you can then use to purchase items. $5 at a minimum gets you 750 credits, $100 at maximum gets you 18,500 credits and a lot of purchasing power. As a point of reference, one of the mounts that I achieved during a recent world event is on sale for 900 credits.
The gear that everyone is up in arms over really is rather entry level. Right now my most recent level 60 who has not done any dungeons could purchase a ring, for example, that would be only slightly better than the rings he already has. The one exception seems to be capes, where you can purchase a much better cape than you are likely to have by level 60 through in-game means.
Most people I know are not really that into the subbing option at this time. Mostly it gives xp, speed and gold bonuses but nothing big. The most bang for your buck is probably to buy the Storm Legion expansion which gives you more roles, more bag space, and the storm legion souls.
http://www.youtube.com/flymolo
And you don't have a big issue with this? Earned/dropped mounts should not be for sale in the shop. It discourages people from wanting to earn them in the first place.
I would have less of an issue if Rift wasnt trying for a hybrid model by collecting sub money too. just drop the sub option completely and go full f2p if you are going to do tacky shit like selling earned mounts and dungeon gear.
Big issue? No. Slightly disappointed? Yes. To be fair, I got the mount by spending about 15 minutes per week doing weekly event quests. 45 minutes of my time vs. about $6 in the store. It was nice having a mount that not everybody knew how to get, but it was so darn easy to get if you paid attention to the event that it's not anything special nor did I have to work hard for it in the first place.
I would prefer if the cash shop only sold mounts that were unique to the cash shop. But on the flip side, I was guilty of looking down on people who purchased the unique mounts in WoW so I think it's probably better for the community to just keep everything a little more generic.
http://www.youtube.com/flymolo
Agreed. I'm willing to bet most players in this thread were against cash shops, but since it's their beloved Rift, it's acceptable now. People were against Lotro, EQ2, and GW2's cash shops, but it's Rift, so it's alright.
More to the point though, there is nothing evolving about cash shops. It's just a concept to get more money. Simple as that. And Rift isn't evolving into anything different. It's selling gear for convenience, and that's the main issue.
The line between convenience & p2w is being blurred here and the Rift loyalists cannot see it clearly.
Kudos to a fair, honest answer.
Ultimately I'm going to play what i find is the most fun, so like you I don't think the cash shop festival mounts are a deal breaker. I just don't like that they are pushing the limits of what is acceptable. They know people will buy this stuff, and lots of it. They are going to make a killing off of the dungeon gear if it's priced reasonably. To me, the concept of play the game to get this or just buy it instead is a terrible concept.
I probably wont be back to Rift until 3.0 if they don't make some decent changes to the game as it stands now, but I'm the type that would gladly pay a sub and maybe toss a few dollars here and there for dimensions. if the cash shop stays as it is I will pay Rift nothing.
I agree 100%. But what I meant with evolving was not the cash shops in themselves, but rather peoples perceptions of them. It's rapidly going from being something completely crap, to a vital and acceptable part of an MMO
Suppose peoples opinions change fast, when it's their own game affected.
@Observer,I for one have never had a problem with cash shop's,unless they really truly offer a distinct advantage over non payer's.I've always felt that leveling faster/increased drop rate/healing pots/talent point's and so on are not ptw because you can get those things just by playing the game.
The fact Trion is selling gear is fine with me,because it can be acquired in game also.There's also better gear to be had.
How can this be confused with what would be ptw?
To me a ptw would be pay x amount and get a lvl 40 character with top gear for that lvl and 20 plat,just for using the cc.Now that is what ptw look's like to me.Certainly not boost's/talent's/drop's and such.
Opinion's vary and that's fine,but at the end of the day,does it affect your gameplay in any way?Or is it just something you're stuck on and can't get past?
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Rift has/had a lifetime sub option? I don't remember ever seeing this.
Me either,the highest sub amount was/is 12 month.I think they're confusing Rift with another game.
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Arya Stark
Yeah. A quick Google search comes up empty on that account. Showing only news articles where the Rift team shoots down any options of lifetime subscriptions.
i m taking the opposite way. leaving wow for rift after 8 years. no more fun for me in wow even if its p2p.
For the record, I was cash shop neutral originally. I dabbled with Perfect World, enjoyed my time there, and never spent a dime. I didn't continue with that game in part because of the p2w nature of it, but still considered it a win/win since I had gotten hours of entertainment for free.
I have been a huge supporter of the f2p model since DDO went f2p. I had never tried it previously because of the bad reviews but since it went f2p some friends and I have been playing once per week for a few hours at a time. One of us subscribes, the other two of us have purchased all of the 1 through 20 content, taking advantage of the frequent sales, and have spent far less than I spent on WoW over the same period. Since then I have maintained that buying content is better than renting it.
I prefer buying content to buying items. That said, I will be able to continue playing Rift for even less than than I pay for DDO going forward, should I choose to un-sub (I'm still on the fence.) So while you may be correct about some Rift fans, speaking for myself your statements could not be further from the truth.
Oh - and I un-subbed from WoW last year. I simply could not justify paying $15 per month to play it once per week while I was paying for Rift and paying far less than $15 per month for DDO. It is likely that Rift will be the last game I ever pay a monthly fee for.
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When both have subs you prefer WoW but if one is free youll go for the free option. So you are implying you'd rather play WoW than Rift even if you arent finding it fun anymore.
It's just business to sell things that appeal to people . If people are willing to pay for it then that's good they are supporting your FREE game .
You get to game for FREE and they get to waste money on stuff you know you can obtain by playing .
Everyone wins and everyone is happy .