It's not PVP people hate it's non-consensaul PVP or ganking where someone is 20 levels higher and goes after lower levels then brags about it like it's some accomplishment.........
It's not PVP people hate it's non-consensaul PVP or ganking where someone is 20 levels higher and goes after lower levels then brags about it like it's some accomplishment.........
Is it really that hard to comprehend........
He comprehends the ganking bit. It's poor design. He doesn't comprehend the non-consensual part.
Just an example which perhaps can make you understand:
let's say there is a game where another player can force you to sit for 2 mins and sing along with him. You're playing your game, enjoying whatever you're doing, perhaps killing a great monster with your friends when a player comes to you,clicks a button and bumm...you are out of action, you are sitting on the ground singing ! Wouldn't that be extremely annoying ? You aren't paying for a game to be forced to do stupid, boring activities ! How that other player dare to make you content for himself ! He can explain that he doesn't do it often, he can try to convince you that singing together is the best part of the game, that won't make you any happier. If you don't want to sing, you won't enjoy it. Simple as that.
Originally posted by ThomasN7 Don't hate pvp but do hate the arrogance and elitism from the pvp community.
To be fair, that arrogance and eliteism flourishes in PvE too.
"LFG Dark Scary Place 4/6 Need XP, Skill, and outgear the dungeon 10/1. No nubs, please."
Maybe true but my fellow PvPers take it to new levels. Instead of saying "Good fight, sorry you lost" we have the "Noob! I powned you go cry to mommy" mentality. We PvPers can be our own worst enemies when it comes to encouraging PvP.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Originally posted by ThomasN7 Don't hate pvp but do hate the arrogance and elitism from the pvp community.
To be fair, that arrogance and eliteism flourishes in PvE too.
"LFG Dark Scary Place 4/6 Need XP, Skill, and outgear the dungeon 10/1. No nubs, please."
Maybe true but my fellow PvPers take it to new levels. Instead of saying "Good fight, sorry you lost" we have the "Noob! I powned you go cry to mommy" mentality. We PvPers can be our own worst enemies when it comes to encouraging PvP.
well i would say mmorpg pvp crowd overall is still great compared to e.g. ppl playing LoL
noob, feeder, ks and report are proly the 4 most used words in that game and god knows what they would say if they could talk to the other team during the game
Originally posted by ThomasN7 Don't hate pvp but do hate the arrogance and elitism from the pvp community.
To be fair, that arrogance and eliteism flourishes in PvE too.
"LFG Dark Scary Place 4/6 Need XP, Skill, and outgear the dungeon 10/1. No nubs, please."
Maybe true but my fellow PvPers take it to new levels. Instead of saying "Good fight, sorry you lost" we have the "Noob! I powned you go cry to mommy" mentality. We PvPers can be our own worst enemies when it comes to encouraging PvP.
You forgot the bitch part. Seen soooo much smack talk in EVE. Granted some say good fight n stuff but that tends to be low or med sec while high sec got the smack talk going on.
Originally posted by ThomasN7 Don't hate pvp but do hate the arrogance and elitism from the pvp community.
To be fair, that arrogance and eliteism flourishes in PvE too.
"LFG Dark Scary Place 4/6 Need XP, Skill, and outgear the dungeon 10/1. No nubs, please."
Maybe true but my fellow PvPers take it to new levels. Instead of saying "Good fight, sorry you lost" we have the "Noob! I powned you go cry to mommy" mentality. We PvPers can be our own worst enemies when it comes to encouraging PvP.
You forgot the bitch part. Seen soooo much smack talk in EVE. Granted some say good fight n stuff but that tends to be low or med sec while high sec got the smack talk going on.
And while the smack talk is fun among vets of PvP, it sure doesn't encourage many newer players to stick at PvP. Just saying be nicer to the noobs so they will stick around long enough.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Originally posted by Shmackpappy I just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why.
As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
Tell the people that get griefed that they have a "choice." The more I read your replies, the more it seems like you just don't get it.
what you see a lot in EVE are those 'your-tears-taste-good-guys', those who really try (too) hard to appear bad ass - i always get a good laugh out of some of those bios...
and i also know, never to engage those types in any game. i like pvp, but it think when it is done to give somebody a kind of (totally unreal) satisfaction, it has a bit of a weird feel to it.
Fair and honest pvp, with a sense of sportsmanship (is that a word?) is what i like
You know (maybe not) I'm conscious of confirmation bias. I know you have not read the thread, there's a lot here.
The underlying issue comes from my observation. Bad game design has allowed or even encourage (by not discouraging) these terrible situations many poster have experienced in this thread. The ganker disrupting and sometimes insulting without any risk of punishment or retribution. Thus these anti-social people are free to wreck havoc.
In my opinion this is bad game design. When the ganker stands to lose more than what he gains from this type behavior, the behavior will cease, if not entirely, enough to create civility. The bad behavior becomes the outlier as opposed to the norm, because it just doesn't make since.
The majority of people who have posted here have not experienced anything else. I understand their perspective.
If you have a chance to read the thread as I have, you should. It's a very good read.
You are reading what you want to read.
I PvPed from the beginning in open world PvP games. I played UO pre trammel, I played a ton of DAoC, I even played EQ when they tried out the RvR servers.
I'm not currently against open world PvP because of being ganked (sure I've been ganked, and I've ganked, and I've had amazing fun and exciting battles of all kinds). It is because if I have limited play time I want to log in to do WHAT I WANT TO DO. Not have other players able to dictate what I can do by killing people running into a given quest or area. It has nothing to do with ganking and has everything to do with wanting to do what I want when I want.
That is the core that makes up most people who don't want or enjoy open world PvP. Thinking it is because there is a lack of punishment for ganking or griefing is completely missing the entire point. Even with such punishments a person can still get in the way of what someone else wants to do with their hour of playtime.
That is why battlegrounds are a far more popular option than open world PvP. It allows people to PvP when that is what they want to do with their time and not PvP when they want to do PvE with their time. It will always be the most popular option because it works for the most people.
I've read this many times in this thread. That's why it's listed under reasons. You must not have read that
Due to the games made over the last 8 years not having punishment or any risk at all to the ganker, it happens far to often, and is far to disruptive.
If you are of the mindset that once is too many, or that any amount of time is too much, then we are at an impasse. We will have to agree to disagree.
Just like everyone else in this thread. You haven't convinced anyone to start liking open world PvP. So I guess you have to agree to disagree with 90% of the MMORPG playerbase because the majority don't want it and never will.
Yes, if I have limited playtime and a player can ever once kill me while I'm trying to do what I want to do, it is too much. In a busy life with a full time job, a house, a spouse, family, having the hour or two you get to play in a week disrupted by someone who wants the thrill of killing someone who doesn't even care to fight back is not an enriching experience.
My question for you is why do you feel the need to try to convince others that their reasons aren't good enough or that they are in someway wrong or lesser as a person for not liking what you like? There are games like Darkfall for you. There are servers (although mostly dead because so few like the style of play) in many MMOs that offer what you're looking for. Why do you feel the need to try to go on a crusade and get more people to like it (which will never ever happen)?
I have not tried, nor is that what this thread is about.
The second highlight is off track, and again not the purpose of this thread. If you have read it this way, there is nothing i can do, nor will i defend the argument you have created.
Just so you know, I do not play DF:UW for the same reasons you don't. I play Wushu, as stated earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why.
As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Let's take your second paragraph there. On the surface, it's entirely true. Players can choose to not play games like Darkfall, Eve, Perpetuum or Mortal Online. That's an overly simplistic way to look at the choice though. These games may have non PvP game play that is very compelling, but it's tied to PvP game play that players do not enjoy. The choice is more complex than just not playing the PvP game, the choice is choosing to not play something that a player enjoys, because of a requirement within the game for something the player doesn't enjoy. This sounds exactly like the kind of thing that people would express an opinion on.
It's also applicable to players who don't enjoy PvE content like Raiding. They may be playing a game with a fun PvP element, but to get into the PvP element the player must engage in some sort of PvE raiding or daily quests. Which sounds exactly like the kind of thing people would express an opinion on.
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However, bcbully you are possibly one of the politest people in this thread, and if I've come across as argumentative in this post, I apologize.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I play MMOs to play WITH others, not AGAINST them. I will do some arenas/instanced pvp on occasions, but open world FFA PvP brings too many cheaters and grievers...
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why.
As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why.
As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
No, you actually really haven't. Thanking people for making a post adds nothing to this thread as you usually don't add why you disagree with them. I've seen many posts of yours such as- "Thank you for your time, although I do not agree with most of you inferences, I appreciate you post."- How does this in any way add to the thread? It doesn't. You're just basically dismissing everyone who has a different opinion and not giving any reason why you disagree.
Your "thank you" posts manage to come off as extremely condescending too (just an observation). And it's because you don't give a follow up.
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why.
As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
No, you actually really haven't. Thanking people for making a post adds nothing to this thread as you usually don't add why you disagree with them. I've seen many posts of yours such as- "Thank you for your time, although I do not agree with most of you inferences, I appreciate you post."- How does this in any way add to the thread? It doesn't. You're just basically dismissing everyone who has a different opinion and not giving any reason why you disagree.
Your "thank you" posts manage to come off as extremely condescending too (just an observation). And it's because you don't give a follow up.
Read the post below that. The poster to which that reply was given understands.
I'll save you a little time. In his well thought out and written post, he was speaking from experiences that were very different than mine. he spoke of rampant oneshots from cheating almost as if this was the norm.
His reasoning was sound from his experiences. My experiences have lead me to reason otherwise. Therefore I disagreed with his inferences. We can agree to disagree, right?
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why.
As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
No, you actually really haven't. Thanking people for making a post adds nothing to this thread as you usually don't add why you disagree with them. I've seen many posts of yours such as- "Thank you for your time, although I do not agree with most of you inferences, I appreciate you post."- How does this in any way add to the thread? It doesn't. You're just basically dismissing everyone who has a different opinion and not giving any reason why you disagree.
Your "thank you" posts manage to come off as extremely condescending too (just an observation). And it's because you don't give a follow up.
Read the post below that. The poster to which that reply was given understands.
I'll save you a little time. In his well thought out and written post, he was speaking from experiences that were very different than mine. he spoke of rampant oneshots from cheating almost as if this was the norm.
His reasoning was sound from his experiences. My experiences have lead me to believe otherwise. Therefore I disagreed with his inferences. We can agree to disagree right?
We can but I wasn't just referring to that one post. You've done that to others too without giving a reason and when you do give a reason it seems as if you've thought of so many ways to disagree that it doesn't seem like you even have a specific reason, it just sounds like you're making excuses. You even blamed the PvE community when most of the time the PvE community is pretty friendly, and way friendlier than the PvP community.
What I'm saying is that it doesn't really seem like you want reasons as to why people dislike PvP. It seems like you just want to completely disagree with all the reasons given as to why players don't like PvP, and if that is the case than this whole thread has been the very definition of pointlessness.
Originally posted by bcbully Originally posted by lizardbonesOriginally posted by bcbullyOriginally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why. As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice. If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view. Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
You seem to be trying to get to an idea that would make PvP palatable for everyone. If you could just fix the design issues, then suddenly PvP would be a universal game mechanic and everyone would be happy. Nothing is universally enjoyed, especially by gamers.
You are saying people can't possibly not like PvP. It must be something other than PvP just isn't fun for everyone. Mostly because you really like PvP.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why. As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
You seem to be trying to get to an idea that would make PvP palatable for everyone. If you could just fix the design issues, then suddenly PvP would be a universal game mechanic and everyone would be happy. Nothing is universally enjoyed, especially by gamers.
You are saying people can't possibly not like PvP. It must be something other than PvP just isn't fun for everyone. Mostly because you really like PvP.
Exactly. People don't need a "reason" to not like PvP. They can just not like it. It's like when you dislike a person and don't have a reason. You just dislike them.
Originally posted by ShmackpappyI just prefer PVE that's all. I'm not sure why "I just don't like it" is not reason enough. I don't hate PVP it's just not what I enjoy doing so I will not play a game with forced PVP.
I understand you just don't like pvp. I asked why. As I have said earlier. There has never been an mmorpg that has forced you to pvp, and no player has ever been forced to pvp. You have always had choice.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
You seem to be trying to get to an idea that would make PvP palatable for everyone. If you could just fix the design issues, then suddenly PvP would be a universal game mechanic and everyone would be happy. Nothing is universally enjoyed, especially by gamers.
You are saying people can't possibly not like PvP. It must be something other than PvP just isn't fun for everyone. Mostly because you really like PvP.
Exactly. People don't need a "reason" to not like PvP. They can just not like it. It's like when you dislike a person and don't have a reason. You just dislike them.
It can fixed to the point that it rarely if ever happens to those who do not want to take part for w/e reason. This can be done with one world w/o pvp/pve areas and safe zones/nonsafe zones. This is a discussion for another thread though.
Exactly. People don't need a "reason" to not like PvP. They can just not like it. It's like when you dislike a person and don't have a reason. You just dislike them.
Exactly. No different from the fact that some dislike Jane Austin novels, and some love them.
It can fixed to the point that it rarely if ever happens to those who do not want to take part for w/e reason. This can be done with one world w/o pvp/pve areas and safe zones/nonsafe zones. This is a discussion for another thread though.
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It's not PVP people hate it's non-consensaul PVP or ganking where someone is 20 levels higher and goes after lower levels then brags about it like it's some accomplishment.........
Is it really that hard to comprehend........
He comprehends the ganking bit. It's poor design. He doesn't comprehend the non-consensual part.
Maybe true but my fellow PvPers take it to new levels. Instead of saying "Good fight, sorry you lost" we have the "Noob! I powned you go cry to mommy" mentality. We PvPers can be our own worst enemies when it comes to encouraging PvP.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
well i would say mmorpg pvp crowd overall is still great compared to e.g. ppl playing LoL
noob, feeder, ks and report are proly the 4 most used words in that game
and god knows what they would say if they could talk to the other team during the game 
You forgot the bitch part. Seen soooo much smack talk in EVE. Granted some say good fight n stuff but that tends to be low or med sec while high sec got the smack talk going on.
And while the smack talk is fun among vets of PvP, it sure doesn't encourage many newer players to stick at PvP. Just saying be nicer to the noobs so they will stick around long enough.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Tell the people that get griefed that they have a "choice." The more I read your replies, the more it seems like you just don't get it.
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what you see a lot in EVE are those 'your-tears-taste-good-guys', those who really try (too) hard to appear bad ass - i always get a good laugh out of some of those bios...
and i also know, never to engage those types in any game. i like pvp, but it think when it is done to give somebody a kind of (totally unreal) satisfaction, it has a bit of a weird feel to it.
Fair and honest pvp, with a sense of sportsmanship (is that a word?) is what i like
I have not tried, nor is that what this thread is about.
The second highlight is off track, and again not the purpose of this thread. If you have read it this way, there is nothing i can do, nor will i defend the argument you have created.
Just so you know, I do not play DF:UW for the same reasons you don't. I play Wushu, as stated earlier in this thread.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Let's take your second paragraph there. On the surface, it's entirely true. Players can choose to not play games like Darkfall, Eve, Perpetuum or Mortal Online. That's an overly simplistic way to look at the choice though. These games may have non PvP game play that is very compelling, but it's tied to PvP game play that players do not enjoy. The choice is more complex than just not playing the PvP game, the choice is choosing to not play something that a player enjoys, because of a requirement within the game for something the player doesn't enjoy. This sounds exactly like the kind of thing that people would express an opinion on.
It's also applicable to players who don't enjoy PvE content like Raiding. They may be playing a game with a fun PvP element, but to get into the PvP element the player must engage in some sort of PvE raiding or daily quests. Which sounds exactly like the kind of thing people would express an opinion on.
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However, bcbully you are possibly one of the politest people in this thread, and if I've come across as argumentative in this post, I apologize.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
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I play MMOs to play WITH others, not AGAINST them. I will do some arenas/instanced pvp on occasions, but open world FFA PvP brings too many cheaters and grievers...
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Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
Thanks,
Mike
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No, you actually really haven't. Thanking people for making a post adds nothing to this thread as you usually don't add why you disagree with them. I've seen many posts of yours such as- "Thank you for your time, although I do not agree with most of you inferences, I appreciate you post."- How does this in any way add to the thread? It doesn't. You're just basically dismissing everyone who has a different opinion and not giving any reason why you disagree.
Your "thank you" posts manage to come off as extremely condescending too (just an observation). And it's because you don't give a follow up.
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Read the post below that. The poster to which that reply was given understands.
I'll save you a little time. In his well thought out and written post, he was speaking from experiences that were very different than mine. he spoke of rampant oneshots from cheating almost as if this was the norm.
His reasoning was sound from his experiences. My experiences have lead me to reason otherwise. Therefore I disagreed with his inferences. We can agree to disagree, right?
We can but I wasn't just referring to that one post. You've done that to others too without giving a reason and when you do give a reason it seems as if you've thought of so many ways to disagree that it doesn't seem like you even have a specific reason, it just sounds like you're making excuses. You even blamed the PvE community when most of the time the PvE community is pretty friendly, and way friendlier than the PvP community.
What I'm saying is that it doesn't really seem like you want reasons as to why people dislike PvP. It seems like you just want to completely disagree with all the reasons given as to why players don't like PvP, and if that is the case than this whole thread has been the very definition of pointlessness.
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Just an observation:
This thread has now derailed into bickering about how people phrase themselves and why they talk the way they do.
Some days I don't want to pvp because it is damned stressfull. I just want to pick flowers and work on raising my carpenter skill.
Other days I do like to pvp, and go to a battlegroun or play my alt on a pvp server.
If you really wanted to know why, this thread has given you more than enough information to make a determination, even beyond the "it's just not fun" reason. The problem is that you're not trying to educate yourself. You're just trying to show how people who don't like PvP are somehow wrong in their point of view.
Yes it has. I've listed the reasons, my observations, and what i believe is the underlying issue.
i have acknowledged and thanked many of the post that gave other reasons. Like I said to the poster above, If you read this thread that way, there is nothing I can do. This is a conversation, not a debate, and I thank those who have taken their time to participate.
You seem to be trying to get to an idea that would make PvP palatable for everyone. If you could just fix the design issues, then suddenly PvP would be a universal game mechanic and everyone would be happy. Nothing is universally enjoyed, especially by gamers.
You are saying people can't possibly not like PvP. It must be something other than PvP just isn't fun for everyone. Mostly because you really like PvP.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Exactly. People don't need a "reason" to not like PvP. They can just not like it. It's like when you dislike a person and don't have a reason. You just dislike them.
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thought it was just me...
It can fixed to the point that it rarely if ever happens to those who do not want to take part for w/e reason. This can be done with one world w/o pvp/pve areas and safe zones/nonsafe zones. This is a discussion for another thread though.
Exactly. No different from the fact that some dislike Jane Austin novels, and some love them.
There's nothing to fix...