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Everquest Next = Metallica's Black Album

XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114

What i'm getting from what I have seen so far is that Everquest Next is going to be ditching a lot of their old loyal fans on this new release in favor of the new crowd.   So for the people that played EQ1 and EQ2 that are looking for the next Everquest, they might be in for a surprise when they see that it isn't going to be hardcore like it was in EQ1.  

I wonder about the depth of the game and the interface that has yet to be revealed because that is very important!  I would love to see the depth of EQ1 in the next game and I have a feeling it isn't going to be.  This game is going to be for a console/PC crowd.  That is real important to see here, because you know want to grab as much of that market as they can too.  

This is all why I am a devoted Paradox Interactive fan!  Europe Universalis IV and Rome 2: Total War will do fine for me.  You won't see Strategy games go the way of the console (at least the good ones) you know that! :)  I think what we are seeing is a transformation of Games to the Console and it is going to try to take the MMO players with it!  This is what is really going on behind all of the sales!

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    heh, not that I agree as we've yet to see everything EQN is, but I can't help but laugh because I get you so much on the "black album" thing.:)

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • donpopukidonpopuki Member Posts: 591
    Folks assume EQN is going to be kiddie game based on two factors. One the art style and two the 8 button UI. At best this a correlation not a direct cause.
  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424

    The problem is that the majority of people on this site probably don't know what Metallica's Black Album is hehe.

     

    And I have to agree.  So far from what I've seen, it has nothing to do with Everquest.  It might have the same names for races and landmarks or something, but it doesn't look to be anything like Everquest.

     

    Edit: Kill 'em All is still and always will be their best album :)

  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,207

    The Black album ruined American metal for years and pushed progress over to Sweden for a while.

    Is Bob Rock involved?

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Alders

    The Black album ruined American metal for years and pushed progress over to Sweden for a while.

    Is Bob Rock involved?

    Meh I'd say that's around the era American metal started to improve again:).

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    LOL

  • jerlot65jerlot65 Member UncommonPosts: 788
    Originally posted by Xerathule
    Originally posted by jerlot65
    Originally posted by Xerathule

    What i'm getting from what I have seen so far is that Everquest Next is going to be ditching a lot of their old loyal fans on this new release in favor of the new crowd.   So for the people that played EQ1 and EQ2 that are looking for the next Everquest, they might be in for a surprise when they see that it isn't going to be hardcore like it was in EQ1.  

    I wonder about the depth of the game and the interface that has yet to be revealed because that is very important!  I would love to see the depth of EQ1 in the next game and I have a feeling it isn't going to be.  This game is going to be for a console/PC crowd.  That is real important to see hear, because you know want to grab as much of that market as they can too.  

    This is all why I am a devoted Paradox Interactive fan!  Europe Universalis IV and Rome 2: Total War will do fine for me.  You won't see Strategy games go the way of the console (at least the good ones) you know that! :)  I think what we are seeing is a transformation of Games to the Console and it is going to try to take the MMO players with it!  This is what is really going on behind all of the sales!

    Hey Sherlock, did you just come up with this, or did you read the hundred quotes they have made that they are not making EQ 3 and that they don't want to poach from their own playerbase?

    I dont know whats more sad, listening to people cry that EQN is not EQ3 or the fact like threads like these are even considered being made.

    Hey Sherlock, do you just waste time flaming in forums or do you have anything more important to do?

    The whole "Sherlock" thing doesn't really work in your statement.  Guess your not as intuitive as I thought......  And no, I do't really have more important things to do right now. 

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  • IadienIadien Member UncommonPosts: 638
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    Folks assume EQN is going to be kiddie game based on two factors. One the art style and two the 8 button UI. At best this a correlation not a direct cause.

    EQ was a total kiddie game, only 8 spells at a time, easy mode!

  • jerlot65jerlot65 Member UncommonPosts: 788
    I bet you if you asked anyone in Metallica if they could go back and not do the black album, none of them would say yes.

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  • XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Originally posted by jerlot65
    Originally posted by Xerathule
    Originally posted by jerlot65
    Originally posted by Xerathule

    What i'm getting from what I have seen so far is that Everquest Next is going to be ditching a lot of their old loyal fans on this new release in favor of the new crowd.   So for the people that played EQ1 and EQ2 that are looking for the next Everquest, they might be in for a surprise when they see that it isn't going to be hardcore like it was in EQ1.  

    I wonder about the depth of the game and the interface that has yet to be revealed because that is very important!  I would love to see the depth of EQ1 in the next game and I have a feeling it isn't going to be.  This game is going to be for a console/PC crowd.  That is real important to see hear, because you know want to grab as much of that market as they can too.  

    This is all why I am a devoted Paradox Interactive fan!  Europe Universalis IV and Rome 2: Total War will do fine for me.  You won't see Strategy games go the way of the console (at least the good ones) you know that! :)  I think what we are seeing is a transformation of Games to the Console and it is going to try to take the MMO players with it!  This is what is really going on behind all of the sales!

    Hey Sherlock, did you just come up with this, or did you read the hundred quotes they have made that they are not making EQ 3 and that they don't want to poach from their own playerbase?

    I dont know whats more sad, listening to people cry that EQN is not EQ3 or the fact like threads like these are even considered being made.

    Hey Sherlock, do you just waste time flaming in forums or do you have anything more important to do?

    The whole "Sherlock" thing doesn't really work in your statement.  Guess your not as intuitive as I thought......  And no, I do't really have more important things to do right now. 

    What are you talking about?  Sherlock is always on the scene!

  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    I understand the analogy, but I really liked the "Black Album" I like all their stuff actually.
  • DrakynnDrakynn Member Posts: 2,030
    Originally posted by Xerathule

    What i'm getting from what I have seen so far is that Everquest Next is going to be ditching a lot of their old loyal fans on this new release in favor of the new crowd.   So for the people that played EQ1 and EQ2 that are looking for the next Everquest, they might be in for a surprise when they see that it isn't going to be hardcore like it was in EQ1.  

    I wonder about the depth of the game and the interface that has yet to be revealed because that is very important!  I would love to see the depth of EQ1 in the next game and I have a feeling it isn't going to be.  This game is going to be for a console/PC crowd.  That is real important to see here, because you know want to grab as much of that market as they can too.  

    This is all why I am a devoted Paradox Interactive fan!  Europe Universalis IV and Rome 2: Total War will do fine for me.  You won't see Strategy games go the way of the console (at least the good ones) you know that! :)  I think what we are seeing is a transformation of Games to the Console and it is going to try to take the MMO players with it!  This is what is really going on behind all of the sales!

    I would agree with your allegory if you were judging the black album by it's cover art and 10 seconds of a random song with no other information or credible,informed opinion available about the rest of it.

    Also the Black Album was a good album not as good as their previous two albums but it gets underrated because it made Metallica mainstream and bloated their egos.But that just my opinion and not pertinent to the topic hehe.

  • XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Originally posted by Iadien
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    Folks assume EQN is going to be kiddie game based on two factors. One the art style and two the 8 button UI. At best this a correlation not a direct cause.

    EQ was a total kiddie game, only 8 spells at a time, easy mode!

    That is way off!  Have you ever even played EQ1?

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by Xerathule
    Originally posted by Iadien
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    Folks assume EQN is going to be kiddie game based on two factors. One the art style and two the 8 button UI. At best this a correlation not a direct cause.

    EQ was a total kiddie game, only 8 spells at a time, easy mode!

    That is way off!  Have you ever even played EQ1?

    Xera, you got something in the corner of your mouth there, bro.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by Xerathule
    Originally posted by Iadien
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    Folks assume EQN is going to be kiddie game based on two factors. One the art style and two the 8 button UI. At best this a correlation not a direct cause.

    EQ was a total kiddie game, only 8 spells at a time, easy mode!

    That is way off!  Have you ever even played EQ1?

    Xera, you got something in the corner of your mouth there, bro.

     

    Well if you think the Gem slot bar is for kids, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!  It makes you decide on the right spells based on the situation you are in!

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686

    The black album nailed everything (in my opinion)

     

    However EQ next would be like the black Album withouth vocals, they nailed everything except the most important part... They dumbed down combat freedom to a level that its almost non excistance..

     

     

    but then they might be lucky that its gonna take them a few more years to get to a release date, its never to late to add vocals, is it?

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • AntariousAntarious Member UncommonPosts: 2,843
    Originally posted by Xerathule
    Originally posted by Iadien
    Originally posted by donpopuki
    Folks assume EQN is going to be kiddie game based on two factors. One the art style and two the 8 button UI. At best this a correlation not a direct cause.

    EQ was a total kiddie game, only 8 spells at a time, easy mode!

    That is way off!  Have you ever even played EQ1?

     

    Yep its way off..    because if you were a caster you had around 8 spell slots *gasp* (totally correct) and you leafed through your spellbook to decide which ones you wanted active.   Which is oddly very similar to EQN where you will have 8 abilities that you will mix/match out of all the ones you have available...

     

    So I imagine the person you quoted was saying that if EQN is a "kiddie" game due to an 8 button UI then so was EQ1...   If you think EQ1 had more than 8 spell slots for most of its lifetime.. then either you never played it or you are thinking of EQ2 instead...

     

    Anyone that played EQ1 back in the day would be very familiar with the limited spell slots and staring at their spellbook for hours while regaining mana....  you know before the whole deal where you eventually didn't have to stare at it while getting mana back.

     

    Of course the last time I really played EQ1 was early 2004.... so I would imagine some things might have changed.   Just like how that little 3dfx loadscreen never made it out of EQ1 beta...

  • czombieczombie Member Posts: 82
    This Black Album analogy is a perfect analogy of why hardcores are never going to get an AAA developer making an MMO that they like.  There is just too large of a crowd that needs to be catered to now.  The best you can hope for is that some niche developer will eventually develop something that you like.  Thus, whining on a message board specifically about EverQuest Next is pretty futile because the game will come out and it will be like WoW with some added features and technology and open-minded people will enjoy it and those stuck in the past will detest it.  If you can't or don't want to start your own MMO company, it's probably more productive to start bothering niche indie developers to make your game, as pestering SOE is pretty much just a waste of keystrokes.
  • XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Originally posted by czombie
    This Black Album analogy is a perfect analogy of why hardcores are never going to get an AAA developer making an MMO that they like.  There is just too large of a crowd that needs to be catered to now.  The best you can hope for is that some niche developer will eventually develop something that you like.  Thus, whining on a message board specifically about EverQuest Next is pretty futile because the game will come out and it will be like WoW with some added features and technology and open-minded people will enjoy it and those stuck in the past will detest it.  If you can't or don't want to start your own MMO company, it's probably more productive to start bothering niche indie developers to make your game, as pestering SOE is pretty much just a waste of keystrokes.

    I am a master keystroker though! :)

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Member UncommonPosts: 869
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Is this in game footage from EQN?

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Is this in game footage from EQN?

    Well played. image

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • XerathuleXerathule Member UncommonPosts: 114
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Is this in game footage from EQN?

    We might want to request it to the EQN team! :)

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910
    To be the black album, SOE would have to follow eqn with drivel.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • GrixxittGrixxitt Member UncommonPosts: 545
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Loktofeit

    Is this in game footage from EQN?

    Well played. image

    +1

     

     

    On topic: Metallica had already gone from thrash to mall rock with And Justice For All. The Black Album was completely superfluous as far as their downfall was concerned.

    -Not even getting into the entire music-sharing debacle by douche face Hetfield and co.

    The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

    -The MMO Forum Community

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