EVE is the most casual player friendly MMO out there, you can do all sorts of things, but you're not getting spoonfed, and that's what a lot of players are used to.
In that case EVE can be a harsh place if you don't use that thing called a brain.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
EvE local chat is extremely vile, i have never ever seen a worse chat in my entire MMO experience.
It's not just the constant scams that a rampant, some of the Faction Warfare chat is downright abusive and sometimes i can't believe my eyes what people are writing there and i am not talking about the normal human interactions either.
EvE local chat is extremely vile, i have never ever seen a worse chat in my entire MMO experience.
It's not just the constant scams that a rampant, some of the Faction Warfare chat is downright abusive and sometimes i can't believe my eyes what people are writing there and i am not talking about the normal human interactions either.
Sometimes it can cross the line, I have a high tolerance level but even I have had to tell people to STFU in corp / alliance.
But it depends on your personal tolerance level the one thing eve isn't is a happy bunny land
The fact is scamming is a game mechanic and as such has 0 relevence on the comunity spirit, how do you know its not a bit of role-play.
The point for me is how this community acts in the time of need, Plex for need (see my post about someone offering £35k of in game money for the typhoon fund) is the true face of the community not a scam or 2 in jita local. On this note see todays Plex for good drive
I dont see blizzard developers fighting each other for player donations, or EA developers shaving each others heads off, and yes clearly this a community that is the "worst community by a mile"
Remember community also includes those that make / run the game and not just the player base - the fact in EvE they are often the same (yes developers have their own in game toons) has 0 diffference
Originally posted by Quazal.A Originally posted by -aLpHa-EvE local chat is extremely vile, i have never ever seen a worse chat in my entire MMO experience.It's not just the constant scams that a rampant, some of the Faction Warfare chat is downright abusive and sometimes i can't believe my eyes what people are writing there and i am not talking about the normal human interactions either.
Sometimes it can cross the line, I have a high tolerance level but even I have had to tell people to STFU in corp / alliance.
But it depends on your personal tolerance level the one thing eve isn't is a happy bunny land
The fact is scamming is a game mechanic and as such has 0 relevence on the comunity spirit, how do you know its not a bit of role-play.
The point for me is how this community acts in the time of need, Plex for need (see my post about someone offering £35k of in game money for the typhoon fund) is the true face of the community not a scam or 2 in jita local. On this note see todays Plex for good drive
I dont see blizzard developers fighting each other for player donations, or EA developers shaving each others heads off, and yes clearly this a community that is the "worst community by a mile"
Remember community also includes those that make / run the game and not just the player base - the fact in EvE they are often the same (yes developers have their own in game toons) has 0 diffference
I was more or less talking about the local chat community, the one that you will probably interact with when you first join the game.
There are 20~ people on top of my head that i could report just for making racial slurs in faction warfare local.
Just last night someone told me in local that he hopes that my mother is dead so she doesn't infect the gene pool any further and i should stop having intercourse with my sister and that's just a little example, i didn't really mind the troll but it shows that there are allot of sociopath in the game.
The EVE Community is merely a reflection of the freedom EVE allows coupled with the harsh nature of EVE mechanics and a liberal dose of escapism.
EVE allows people to be whatever they want to be. I find it rather humorous but sad that so many choose to be giant douchebags.
The nature of EVE is competition. That tends to make people less likely to be nice or in any way "aid" a potential enemy.
Escapism from normal life. While most folks playing are probably decent to semi-decent human beings on the outside of the game, EVE is their escape. It allows people to be something they are not, or cannot be in real life. A sociopathic, homocidal maniac with delusions of grandeur.
I don't think all of this makes EVE's community terrible though, I think it makes it interesting and vibrant. The conflict caused by so many competing ideals and ideas keeps EVE fresh and exciting.
And just so it's not ALL negative, the EVE community has some of the most awesome, nice and humanity-focused people I've ever met. Read up on the various charity drives for distasters. Also, memorials for players and the response when one of the Devs/CCP staff died. I think many people in EVE are or can be nice people, it's just that we're mostly conditioned towards shooting first, and asking questions later.
I've been in several different corps in Eve, and they've always been full of super nice folks. What most people don't seem to grasp is that Eve's game design is much, much, MUCH cutthroat than anything out there, in both the game and the metagame.
There are just as many unsavory folks in Eve as in any other game, but the difference is that Eve's open-ended gameplay is a great enabler - what people would consider griefing in other games is just standard fare in Eve.
It's both a blessing a curse. However, as an adult I can appreciate a game that doesn't shelter its players like some overprotective parent.
I dont think there's any more douchebags or assholes in EvE than there is on any other game, the difference is that EvE mechanics allows very practical means of pissing on others. Pick any themepark for example and the game is filled of safe areas, even on PvP servers, and also has dozens of policies against scamming and whatnot. In EvE scamming is just another way to play the game.
The truth is, you might find many people to seem like complete assholes, but if you joined their corp or alliance you would realize they are quite nice people usually, it's just that if you are not with them, you are against them, and when you are against them, they are not going to be nice towards you and they dont expect you to be nice towards them because of the nature and mechanics of the game.
The community of this game absolutely appalls me. The amount of griefing and harrassment that goes on in this game these days is absolutely disgusting.
I'm a 4 year vet in the game yet I feel the overwhelming amount of idiots in the game is finally breaking me down. The fckery is rampant and completely unchecked.
I agree up to a point, I was station camped for 5 hours these players couldn't care what loot I had. They simply just want to **** a player's day up. I checked to see if the system was claimed by a player corp but offically it wasn't, just people hang out there for the soul purpose to make it difficult for players to hand in missions.
You know what else makes EvE the best MMO out there also? You can do something about it. OP speaks as if he is powerless to do anything to discourage or stop the madness. You could stop crying on a forum about it, sack up and do something. If someone wardecs you, scams you, disparages you in chat or whatever...you can do something other than file a complaint.
Try this...add them to your friends list so whenever they are online, you will know it. Next, find their corp HQ. Join with an alt, and find out where they operate out of. Join their TS. Become friendly with them. Let your anger turn to something else. Let it brew and become something different. Offer to become their recruitment officer. Recruit more alts.
When the time is right, take all of their POS's, all of their corp loot..and you got corp admin rights already, right? Take all of it. Leave a message...leave a link to the KM that happened over a year ago. See, now you are doing something about it.
Or, just wardec them back, fly T1 frigates with T1 guns and harass them nonstop. Make some friends. YOU are in control of your behavior or more importantly YOUR RESPONSE to bad behavior. Don't get discouraged, get creative.
Fly safe.
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Originally posted by sketocafe I feel the opposite, that EVE has one of the best communities I've seen online so far. The problem is that people think it's personal when they get their stuff blown up and they conflate a complete lack of sympathy for poor decision-making with being "bad."
Exactly. I have never been robbed by anyone more polite then I have been in EVE.
If you get your ship blown up, that's the game. Your ship is supposed to blow up. That's not harassment. That's the game. It's cat and mouse and territory control. When i got my very first brand new brutix battlecruiser held hostage going into low sec for the first time when i was only 2 weeks old, they promptly blew it up cause I had no money to pay for ransom. I got mad thinking what assholes. But then they told me how to prevent it in the future with cloaking and checking local etc... gave me tips how to be better.
Where do you find people like that in other games?
i have been trying figure it out for a while. i am slow when it comes to why.
seem to me that CCP wants the vets of the game to quit. hell they almost ran out of skills for us to train.
they even make new ones that was already in the game.
example
Destroyer Skill Book (Rubicon) now you have to train for each Race. they made 4 new skills for training with in the existing same skills we had already.
Battlecruiser Skill Book they did the same as the Destroyer
yep i have quit the game for any troll that wants to read my post.
and i am 9 years or very close to 9 year vet.
i thought that it was players who was jealous of what you have in the game. WRONG
constant wardec on a corp after a while its just you have to stay in station if not you lose. (which means you are unable to play the game) what i mean by playing you are unable to do missions or even go to the next system. Well you can if you want to be ganked and ganked you will be.
other way is to leave corp and go into a npc corp (problem they constant hound you) they use suicide runs.
now lets say you want to go into a system that you have looked up and has good players in it. No suicide runs no pod kills.
well guess what you become the next victim in that system.
Yep Eve Online is not for players that like to mission run or who like to mine or even who like to craft it has changed.
And all that is exceptable by the DEV's of the game it is what they want.
i have been trying figure it out for a while. i am slow when it comes to why.
seem to me that CCP wants the vets of the game to quit. hell they almost ran out of skills for us to train.
they even make new ones that was already in the game.
example
Destroyer Skill Book (Rubicon) now you have to train for each Race. they made 4 new skills for training with in the existing same skills we had already.
Battlecruiser Skill Book they did the same as the Destroyer
yep i have quit the game for any troll that wants to read my post.
and i am 9 years or very close to 9 year vet.
i thought that it was players who was jealous of what you have in the game. WRONG
constant wardec on a corp after a while its just you have to stay in station if not you lose. (which means you are unable to play the game) what i mean by playing you are unable to do missions or even go to the next system. Well you can if you want to be ganked and ganked you will be.
other way is to leave corp and go into a npc corp (problem they constant hound you) they use suicide runs.
now lets say you want to go into a system that you have looked up and has good players in it. No suicide runs no pod kills.
well guess what you become the next victim in that system.
Yep Eve Online is not for players that like to mission run or who like to mine or even who like to craft it has changed.
And all that is exceptable by the DEV's of the game it is what they want.
Ya... I read your other post where you stated that after 9 years of playing eve online you lost a ship to non consensual pvp and from that experience you learned that non consensual pvp is a part of the game.
I'll state the facts again: You played the game for NINE YEARS and only a few days ago learned that eve has non consensual PVP.
Well, if that's not evidence to support the idea that eve has the worst community I don't know what is...
i have been trying figure it out for a while. i am slow when it comes to why.
seem to me that CCP wants the vets of the game to quit. hell they almost ran out of skills for us to train.
they even make new ones that was already in the game.
example
Destroyer Skill Book (Rubicon) now you have to train for each Race. they made 4 new skills for training with in the existing same skills we had already.
Battlecruiser Skill Book they did the same as the Destroyer
yep i have quit the game for any troll that wants to read my post.
and i am 9 years or very close to 9 year vet.
i thought that it was players who was jealous of what you have in the game. WRONG
constant wardec on a corp after a while its just you have to stay in station if not you lose. (which means you are unable to play the game) what i mean by playing you are unable to do missions or even go to the next system. Well you can if you want to be ganked and ganked you will be.
other way is to leave corp and go into a npc corp (problem they constant hound you) they use suicide runs.
now lets say you want to go into a system that you have looked up and has good players in it. No suicide runs no pod kills.
well guess what you become the next victim in that system.
Yep Eve Online is not for players that like to mission run or who like to mine or even who like to craft it has changed.
And all that is exceptable by the DEV's of the game it is what they want.
Ya... I read your other post where you stated that after 9 years of playing eve online you lost a ship to non consensual pvp and from that experience you learned that non consensual pvp is a part of the game.
I'll state the facts again: You played the game for NINE YEARS and only a few days ago learned that eve has non consensual PVP.
Well, if that's not evidence to support the idea that eve has the worst community I don't know what is...
now and soon you will be fighting players like yourself.
enjoy your game.
think of this flying through high sec to kill a miner and it looks like 0.0 giant rocks in all the belts.
no miners to be found.
only ships you see are flashing red.
i do not PLAY eve online.
Flashy red is the new black.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
now and soon you will be fighting players like yourself.
enjoy your game.
think of this flying through high sec to kill a miner and it looks like 0.0 giant rocks in all the belts.
no miners to be found.
only ships you see are flashing red.
i do not PLAY eve online.
During my time playing eve online I've focused entirely on the PvE side of the game, so if there was a lack of miners in the game, I'd most likely go mine.
The difference between us is that I accept that eve has nonconsensual PvP and view it as another challenge to overcome.
What's the difference between an NPC pirate entering your belt and a player pirate? To me there is none except for their respective difficulty levels which, depending on my preparedness, alters the way in which I deal with them.
I agree with the OP. I'm at the EVE add game time page pondering whether to resub having not played for around 18 months, and I'm reading the EVE official forums, and I'm thinking - Do I really want to go back to this lot of posturing, 'how hard am I' griefers. The problem is that for a crafter EVE is the best game around but ironically you're harassed and made to feel like you don't belong in EVE if you're a crafter./miner. It's a shame.
Originally posted by Mahlo I agree with the OP. I'm at the EVE add game time page pondering whether to resub having not played for around 18 months, and I'm reading the EVE official forums, and I'm thinking - Do I really want to go back to this lot of posturing, 'how hard am I' griefers. The problem is that for a crafter EVE is the best game around but ironically you're harassed and made to feel like you don't belong in EVE if you're a crafter./miner. It's a shame.
if you find yourself a good 0.0 sec industrial corp your eve life will change. EVERY big-time null-sec alliance has a couple of these corps. I am in one myself (i'm not fully crafter, I am more a jack of all trades) and the rest of the alliance treats us great, because we make the stuff for them to use in PVP. remember nllsec alliances have ship replacement policies so there is always a constant need of ships (and therefore miners too!)
learning this changed my eve life a few years ago and i bet it will change yours
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
now and soon you will be fighting players like yourself.
enjoy your game.
think of this flying through high sec to kill a miner and it looks like 0.0 giant rocks in all the belts.
no miners to be found.
only ships you see are flashing red.
i do not PLAY eve online.
During my time playing eve online I've focused entirely on the PvE side of the game, so if there was a lack of miners in the game, I'd most likely go mine.
The difference between us is that I accept that eve has nonconsensual PvP and view it as another challenge to overcome.
What's the difference between an NPC pirate entering your belt and a player pirate? To me there is none except for their respective difficulty levels which, depending on my preparedness, alters the way in which I deal with them.
It's all part of the game.
I've been playing Eve for 10 years now, it has PvP, it has miners, it has mission runners, it has industrialists of so many flavours i won't even bother to try and list them, thing is, i can't believe a player of 9 years can make such a silly statement. The game has evolved, and will continue to do so. Mining has changed, Icteroid mining has definitely changed, there are now belts in high sec that have low/null sec ores in them, thats not to say that null sec is miner free, trust me their still there, but for a billy no mates its going to be a slog because without friends and allies, those areas aren't safe to mine. Oddly enough the ones who complain about the changes to mining most are the botters and multiboxers, seems their at a disadvantage
yeah, its all part of the game, and its a living and evolving game
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Eve has the best community for players who dont need a gm babysitter.
Pi*1337/100 = 42
The 'worst community' label belongs to every game for a month after it turns F2P.
EVE is the most casual player friendly MMO out there, you can do all sorts of things, but you're not getting spoonfed, and that's what a lot of players are used to.
In that case EVE can be a harsh place if you don't use that thing called a brain.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
EvE local chat is extremely vile, i have never ever seen a worse chat in my entire MMO experience.
It's not just the constant scams that a rampant, some of the Faction Warfare chat is downright abusive and sometimes i can't believe my eyes what people are writing there and i am not talking about the normal human interactions either.
Sometimes it can cross the line, I have a high tolerance level but even I have had to tell people to STFU in corp / alliance.
But it depends on your personal tolerance level the one thing eve isn't is a happy bunny land
The fact is scamming is a game mechanic and as such has 0 relevence on the comunity spirit, how do you know its not a bit of role-play.
The point for me is how this community acts in the time of need, Plex for need (see my post about someone offering £35k of in game money for the typhoon fund) is the true face of the community not a scam or 2 in jita local. On this note see todays Plex for good drive
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3971712 < this
I dont see blizzard developers fighting each other for player donations, or EA developers shaving each others heads off, and yes clearly this a community that is the "worst community by a mile"
Remember community also includes those that make / run the game and not just the player base - the fact in EvE they are often the same (yes developers have their own in game toons) has 0 diffference
This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game
where of course you're welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
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But it depends on your personal tolerance level the one thing eve isn't is a happy bunny land
The fact is scamming is a game mechanic and as such has 0 relevence on the comunity spirit, how do you know its not a bit of role-play.
The point for me is how this community acts in the time of need, Plex for need (see my post about someone offering £35k of in game money for the typhoon fund) is the true face of the community not a scam or 2 in jita local. On this note see todays Plex for good drive
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I dont see blizzard developers fighting each other for player donations, or EA developers shaving each others heads off, and yes clearly this a community that is the "worst community by a mile"
Remember community also includes those that make / run the game and not just the player base - the fact in EvE they are often the same (yes developers have their own in game toons) has 0 diffference
I was more or less talking about the local chat community, the one that you will probably interact with when you first join the game.
There are 20~ people on top of my head that i could report just for making racial slurs in faction warfare local.
Just last night someone told me in local that he hopes that my mother is dead so she doesn't infect the gene pool any further and i should stop having intercourse with my sister and that's just a little example, i didn't really mind the troll but it shows that there are allot of sociopath in the game.
You mean the LoL community, the DotA community is actually pretty decent.
The EVE Community is merely a reflection of the freedom EVE allows coupled with the harsh nature of EVE mechanics and a liberal dose of escapism.
EVE allows people to be whatever they want to be. I find it rather humorous but sad that so many choose to be giant douchebags.
The nature of EVE is competition. That tends to make people less likely to be nice or in any way "aid" a potential enemy.
Escapism from normal life. While most folks playing are probably decent to semi-decent human beings on the outside of the game, EVE is their escape. It allows people to be something they are not, or cannot be in real life. A sociopathic, homocidal maniac with delusions of grandeur.
I don't think all of this makes EVE's community terrible though, I think it makes it interesting and vibrant. The conflict caused by so many competing ideals and ideas keeps EVE fresh and exciting.
And just so it's not ALL negative, the EVE community has some of the most awesome, nice and humanity-focused people I've ever met. Read up on the various charity drives for distasters. Also, memorials for players and the response when one of the Devs/CCP staff died. I think many people in EVE are or can be nice people, it's just that we're mostly conditioned towards shooting first, and asking questions later.
There are plenty of obnoxious people in EVE.
Just like any other MMORPG.
I've been in several different corps in Eve, and they've always been full of super nice folks. What most people don't seem to grasp is that Eve's game design is much, much, MUCH cutthroat than anything out there, in both the game and the metagame.
There are just as many unsavory folks in Eve as in any other game, but the difference is that Eve's open-ended gameplay is a great enabler - what people would consider griefing in other games is just standard fare in Eve.
It's both a blessing a curse. However, as an adult I can appreciate a game that doesn't shelter its players like some overprotective parent.
I dont think there's any more douchebags or assholes in EvE than there is on any other game, the difference is that EvE mechanics allows very practical means of pissing on others. Pick any themepark for example and the game is filled of safe areas, even on PvP servers, and also has dozens of policies against scamming and whatnot. In EvE scamming is just another way to play the game.
The truth is, you might find many people to seem like complete assholes, but if you joined their corp or alliance you would realize they are quite nice people usually, it's just that if you are not with them, you are against them, and when you are against them, they are not going to be nice towards you and they dont expect you to be nice towards them because of the nature and mechanics of the game.
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I agree up to a point, I was station camped for 5 hours these players couldn't care what loot I had. They simply just want to **** a player's day up. I checked to see if the system was claimed by a player corp but offically it wasn't, just people hang out there for the soul purpose to make it difficult for players to hand in missions.
You know what else makes EvE the best MMO out there also? You can do something about it. OP speaks as if he is powerless to do anything to discourage or stop the madness. You could stop crying on a forum about it, sack up and do something. If someone wardecs you, scams you, disparages you in chat or whatever...you can do something other than file a complaint.
Try this...add them to your friends list so whenever they are online, you will know it. Next, find their corp HQ. Join with an alt, and find out where they operate out of. Join their TS. Become friendly with them. Let your anger turn to something else. Let it brew and become something different. Offer to become their recruitment officer. Recruit more alts.
When the time is right, take all of their POS's, all of their corp loot..and you got corp admin rights already, right? Take all of it. Leave a message...leave a link to the KM that happened over a year ago. See, now you are doing something about it.
Or, just wardec them back, fly T1 frigates with T1 guns and harass them nonstop. Make some friends. YOU are in control of your behavior or more importantly YOUR RESPONSE to bad behavior. Don't get discouraged, get creative.
Fly safe.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
Hiatus: EvE
Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
Interested in: better games in general
Exactly. I have never been robbed by anyone more polite then I have been in EVE.
If you get your ship blown up, that's the game. Your ship is supposed to blow up. That's not harassment. That's the game. It's cat and mouse and territory control. When i got my very first brand new brutix battlecruiser held hostage going into low sec for the first time when i was only 2 weeks old, they promptly blew it up cause I had no money to pay for ransom. I got mad thinking what assholes. But then they told me how to prevent it in the future with cloaking and checking local etc... gave me tips how to be better.
Where do you find people like that in other games?
I agree with you.
i have been trying figure it out for a while. i am slow when it comes to why.
seem to me that CCP wants the vets of the game to quit. hell they almost ran out of skills for us to train.
they even make new ones that was already in the game.
example
Destroyer Skill Book (Rubicon) now you have to train for each Race. they made 4 new skills for training with in the existing same skills we had already.
Battlecruiser Skill Book they did the same as the Destroyer
yep i have quit the game for any troll that wants to read my post.
and i am 9 years or very close to 9 year vet.
i thought that it was players who was jealous of what you have in the game. WRONG
constant wardec on a corp after a while its just you have to stay in station if not you lose. (which means you are unable to play the game) what i mean by playing you are unable to do missions or even go to the next system. Well you can if you want to be ganked and ganked you will be.
other way is to leave corp and go into a npc corp (problem they constant hound you) they use suicide runs.
now lets say you want to go into a system that you have looked up and has good players in it. No suicide runs no pod kills.
well guess what you become the next victim in that system.
Yep Eve Online is not for players that like to mission run or who like to mine or even who like to craft it has changed.
And all that is exceptable by the DEV's of the game it is what they want.
Ya... I read your other post where you stated that after 9 years of playing eve online you lost a ship to non consensual pvp and from that experience you learned that non consensual pvp is a part of the game.
I'll state the facts again: You played the game for NINE YEARS and only a few days ago learned that eve has non consensual PVP.
Well, if that's not evidence to support the idea that eve has the worst community I don't know what is...
-looks at kernus-...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE
nice comment
i thank you for it.
love you man.
you are an example of the people in eve online.
and the people like me are leaving the game.
now and soon you will be fighting players like yourself.
enjoy your game.
think of this flying through high sec to kill a miner and it looks like 0.0 giant rocks in all the belts.
no miners to be found.
only ships you see are flashing red.
i do not PLAY eve online.
Flashy red is the new black.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
During my time playing eve online I've focused entirely on the PvE side of the game, so if there was a lack of miners in the game, I'd most likely go mine.
The difference between us is that I accept that eve has nonconsensual PvP and view it as another challenge to overcome.
What's the difference between an NPC pirate entering your belt and a player pirate? To me there is none except for their respective difficulty levels which, depending on my preparedness, alters the way in which I deal with them.
It's all part of the game.
if you find yourself a good 0.0 sec industrial corp your eve life will change. EVERY big-time null-sec alliance has a couple of these corps. I am in one myself (i'm not fully crafter, I am more a jack of all trades) and the rest of the alliance treats us great, because we make the stuff for them to use in PVP. remember nllsec alliances have ship replacement policies so there is always a constant need of ships (and therefore miners too!)
learning this changed my eve life a few years ago and i bet it will change yours
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D Eisenhower
My optimism wears heavy boots and is loud.
Henry Rollins
I've been playing Eve for 10 years now, it has PvP, it has miners, it has mission runners, it has industrialists of so many flavours i won't even bother to try and list them, thing is, i can't believe a player of 9 years can make such a silly statement. The game has evolved, and will continue to do so. Mining has changed, Icteroid mining has definitely changed, there are now belts in high sec that have low/null sec ores in them, thats not to say that null sec is miner free, trust me their still there, but for a billy no mates its going to be a slog because without friends and allies, those areas aren't safe to mine. Oddly enough the ones who complain about the changes to mining most are the botters and multiboxers, seems their at a disadvantage
yeah, its all part of the game, and its a living and evolving game