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Confused EQNLM = FreeRealms

RPGPorksterRPGPorkster Member Posts: 77
Just kidding but the guys behind FreeRealms must have had upper say on EQN and EQNLM design or was it the Accountants and Psychologists.    These two new titles look so childish and limited.  Zero interested in buying or playing these games.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Limited?

    Landmark alpha is many things, like unstable and unfinished since it's a real alpha, but it's definitely not limited. There aren't many other MMORPGs where you can shape your own part of the open world that extensively.

    First thing..... its not an MMO-RPG...... its a building game...  

     

    EQN is the MMO part of this double package..

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • tkoreapertkoreaper Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Cool story... I personally could care less how it looks if the game is great and polished. I encourage you to show me a game that has both had realism and great gameplay cause they don't exist and honestly, most of the "realistic" games look worse that EQ1.
  • RPGPorksterRPGPorkster Member Posts: 77

    It's about Role Playing, and most people DO NOT want to role play a sport mascot looking character in a fantasy world.

     

    The fact is Sony have been inspired by Disney and Wow, and the result was FreeRealms and now Everquest Next and Everquest Landmarks are the next interactions with construct/destructible landscape.

     

    The "EQ" in the name is simply a means to capture an old customer base so lets hope those customers aren't so stupid to get  tricked by this marketing scheme.

  • tkoreapertkoreaper Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Limited?

    Landmark alpha is many things, like unstable and unfinished since it's a real alpha, but it's definitely not limited. There aren't many other MMORPGs where you can shape your own part of the open world that extensively.

    First thing..... its not an MMO-RPG...... its a building game...  

     

    EQN is the MMO part of this double package..

    Ummm, how is it not a role playing game?

  • tkoreapertkoreaper Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Originally posted by RPGPorkster

    It's about Role Playing, and most people DO NOT want to role play a sport mascot looking character in a fantasy world.

     

    The fact is Sony have been inspired by Disney and Wow, and the result was FreeRealms and now Everquest Next and Everquest Landmarks the next interactions of FreeRealms with construct/destructible landscape.

     

    The "EQ" in the name is simply a means to capture an old customer base so lets hope they are so stupid to get  tricked by this marking scheme.

    Obvious troll is obvious.

     

    It's great to see someone who knows what everyone wants and has facts to things that have no proof. I think someone is upset their Freerealms game got shut down.

  • RollieJoeRollieJoe Member UncommonPosts: 451
    EQ:L at the moment barely even qualifies for a "game" and its certainly not an MMORPG.   It might be an MMORPG *one day* sometime in the vague future, but right now its a basically a tech demo.  Or perhaps minecraft with far less features and far less gameplay, but nicer graphics.
  • tkoreapertkoreaper Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by RollieJoe
    EQ:L at the moment barely even qualifies for a "game" and its certainly not an MMORPG.   It might be an MMORPG *one day* sometime in the vague future, but right now its a basically a tech demo.  Or perhaps minecraft with far less features and far less gameplay, but nicer graphics.

    One saying that Landmark has less features than Minecraft has either never played Landmark or has a special agenda.

    Just the building tools Landmark has put Minecraft to shame. Granted, it doesn't have the "adventure" mode yet, but neither had Minecraft when it was in alpha.

    Landmark is a Minecrafter's dream.

    QFT... The current state of Landmark only contains about 60% of what the game is going to be like at launch.

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270

    This again?

    Why don't you go petition Nintendo or Sega to stop using stylised graphics?

     

    Here's the thing, no one cares about your personal preference to art style. Its obvious to anyone who looks at a picture or video of EQN what the art style is, there is nothing to discuss about it.  People can make up their own mind whether the graphics suit them with a simple glance.

    If you are so insecure about your own maturity that you are willing to pass on some great gaming experiences due to an art style, so be it.  That's your own choice. The art style isn't changing whether you like it or not.

     

  • giga1000giga1000 Member Posts: 98
  • RollieJoeRollieJoe Member UncommonPosts: 451
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    One saying that Landmark has less features than Minecraft has either never played Landmark or has a special agenda.

    You clearly have never played Minecraft, or else have a special agenda.   Actually, I'm sure you have a special agenda, judging by you posting in basically every EQ:L thread on the entire website trying to defend it. 

     

    Personally, I think both games are incredibly boring (and minecraft looks terrible), but objectively Minecraft in its current state compared to EQ:L in its current state has ten times the features, including building, crafting, rule sets, mods, customization, exploring, combat, you name it, basically everything except nicer graphics. 

     

    Can you fight monsters (or anything) in EQ:L right now?  Nope.

    Can you grow crops or raise animals in EQ:L right now?  Nope.

    Can you design your own world with virtually limitless sized constructions in EQ:L right now?   Nope.

    Can you build complex interactive structures like a roller coaster that triggers a lava flood in EQ:L right now?  Nope.

    Can you make your own mods to tailor the ruleset the way you want in EQ:L right now?  Nope.

    Is there anything significant you can do in EQ:L right now you can't do in Minecraft?   Nope.

     

    Could list another 50 examples I'm sure but no point.  EQ:L is a tech demo, not really a game right now.  Maybe it will become a game later.  If you enjoy building things and like trying out all the building simulators that have spawned since Minecraft and don't care about playing an MMORPG or RPG or even a traditional "game" then EQ:L might be great for you. 

  • svandysvandy Member UncommonPosts: 277
    Originally posted by RollieJoe

    Could list another 50 examples I'm sure but no point.  EQ:L is a tech demo, not really a game right now.  Maybe it will become a game later.  If you enjoy building things and like trying out all the building simulators that have spawned since Minecraft and don't care about playing an MMORPG or RPG or even a traditional "game" then EQ:L might be great for you. 

    So... it's an Alpha? I understand what you're saying and on a lot of levels agree with you. If you want combat and such, keep your money. I look at it this way - I pre-ordered the game with the promise of a refund if I don't like the tech demo, and they will let me play said tech-demo to pass the time until the official release. SOE (or any company) doesn't HAVE to allow people into these Alpha and Beta tests, and more and more I'm starting to think they shouldn't.

    As for the Minecraft/EQNLM comparison, I can kind of see it, but after playing LM I feel it's more of a cross between Wurm and Starbound (at least based on the planned features). Also, plenty of people would pay top dollar to play Minecraft: Everquest Edition. And last point.... never underestimate the allure of pretty graphics. Wether the art style works for you or not, it's still for the majority of people better than 2d sprites or whatever the hell Minecraft is. I personally know people who would never touch minecraft or starbound, yet are super excited for LM.

    So it's all a matter of opinion, like everything else.

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  • sschruppsschrupp Member UncommonPosts: 693

    I love it when people bash games that are in early development and compare their current state to games in retail states.

     

    How can a person not understand the difference between saying "Game X is a pile of trash compared to Game Y. I fart in its general direction and spit on any that show any enthusiasm towards it!" and "Game X in its current state of development is nothing I'd spend my time or money on, but the promised, finished product sounds like it'll have everything Game Y currently has and more so I can understand why people might be excited for it in the future."

  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,177
    Originally posted by RollieJoe
    EQ:L at the moment barely even qualifies for a "game" and its certainly not an MMORPG.   It might be an MMORPG *one day* sometime in the vague future, but right now its a basically a tech demo.  Or perhaps minecraft with far less features and far less gameplay, but nicer graphics.

    It's a first release alpha stage product. Get over yourself.

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  • LatronusLatronus Member Posts: 692
    Originally posted by sschrupp

    I love it when people bash games that are in early development and compare their current state to games in retail states.

     

    How can a person not understand the difference between saying "Game X is a pile of trash compared to Game Y. I fart in its general direction and spit on any that show any enthusiasm towards it!" and "Game X in its current state of development is nothing I'd spend my time or money on, but the promised, finished product sounds like it'll have everything Game Y currently has and more so I can understand why people might be excited for it in the future."

    While I do agree with you, the same can be said about fanbois staunchly defending a game in development.  They have no idea where it will end up.  Road to the MMO graveyard is filled with examples; Vanguard, SWTOR, and almost anything that has come out in the past 8 years are great examples.  Landmark is in Alpha development so there is no reason to praise it as the second coming or trash it because it doesn't have features that older games, insert Minecraft, have right now.  Both are ignorant and baseless.  Let's give it time and see where it takes us.  It could be the mythical city of gold or the graveyard... Only time will tell.

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  • funyahnsfunyahns Member Posts: 315
     EQLM is an MMO in development.  Just because the point of the game is "building" does not change that fact. I am curious to the guy who thinks Minecraft is boring... Why are you even somewhat interested in this game?  This game is going after a market of players which is in the multiple millions of people who enjoy building like Minecraft.  I would argue the points of Minecraft and why it is fun to play but that would be pointless since it requires imagination to really enjoy.
  • DrakynnDrakynn Member Posts: 2,030
    Originally posted by Latronus
    Originally posted by sschrupp

    I love it when people bash games that are in early development and compare their current state to games in retail states.

     

    How can a person not understand the difference between saying "Game X is a pile of trash compared to Game Y. I fart in its general direction and spit on any that show any enthusiasm towards it!" and "Game X in its current state of development is nothing I'd spend my time or money on, but the promised, finished product sounds like it'll have everything Game Y currently has and more so I can understand why people might be excited for it in the future."

    While I do agree with you, the same can be said about fanbois staunchly defending a game in development.  They have no idea where it will end up.  Road to the MMO graveyard is filled with examples; Vanguard, SWTOR, and almost anything that has come out in the past 8 years are great examples.  Landmark is in Alpha development so there is no reason to praise it as the second coming or trash it because it doesn't have features that older games, insert Minecraft, have right now.  Both are ignorant and baseless.  Let's give it time and see where it takes us.  It could be the mythical city of gold or the graveyard... Only time will tell.

    Even though I in no way agree with the OP either I'd also say it entered a "retail  state" as soon as they started selling access to it.Retail literally means the selling of a product and/or service by a business or individual to a consumer.

    However it is selling as an unfinished product and clearly stated as such so any review needs to take that into account and needs to be revisited at alter stages.

  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,740
    You lie, if you had ZERO interest, you wouldn't of posted.   Thanks for sharing though.
  • Victor_KrugerVictor_Kruger Member UncommonPosts: 280
    Landmark alpha is filled with mostly EQ players, sorry if you think your opinion about EQ Next is the majority opinion among the EQ community, its not however.
  • EverSkellyEverSkelly Member UncommonPosts: 341


    Originally posted by tkoreaper

    Originally posted by RPGPorkster It's about Role Playing, and most people DO NOT want to role play a sport mascot looking character in a fantasy world.   The fact is Sony have been inspired by Disney and Wow, and the result was FreeRealms and now Everquest Next and Everquest Landmarks the next interactions of FreeRealms with construct/destructible landscape.   The "EQ" in the name is simply a means to capture an old customer base so lets hope they are so stupid to get  tricked by this marking scheme.
    Obvious troll is obvious.   It's great to see someone who knows what everyone wants and has facts to things that have no proof. I think someone is upset their Freerealms game got shut down.
     

    Yeah, it's best to call other poster a troll when you disagree, right..?

    Anyway, EQN graphics are horribly childish.
    Their tactics are obvious though - most players are youngsters, and youngsters should like childish stuff.
    I honestly think EQ1 graphics look better than EQN..

  • funyahnsfunyahns Member Posts: 315
    Originally posted by EverSkelly

     


    Originally posted by tkoreaper

    Originally posted by RPGPorkster It's about Role Playing, and most people DO NOT want to role play a sport mascot looking character in a fantasy world.   The fact is Sony have been inspired by Disney and Wow, and the result was FreeRealms and now Everquest Next and Everquest Landmarks the next interactions of FreeRealms with construct/destructible landscape.   The "EQ" in the name is simply a means to capture an old customer base so lets hope they are so stupid to get  tricked by this marking scheme.
    Obvious troll is obvious.   It's great to see someone who knows what everyone wants and has facts to things that have no proof. I think someone is upset their Freerealms game got shut down.
     

     

    Yeah, it's best to call other poster a troll when you disagree, right..?

    Anyway, EQN graphics are horribly childish.
    Their tactics are obvious though - most players are youngsters, and youngsters should like childish stuff.
    I honestly think EQ1 graphics look better than EQN..

    How are they childish? They seem to be pretty nice looking textures hardly the work of children.. Oh do you mean stylized?  Well because its a Voxel game and has destructible environment.  Also.  I love EQ but get real the graphic on EQ are way dated. Hell even the updated ones from Luclin are really old now.  The 3D in EQ while great for the time has not aged that great.

  • grimfallgrimfall Member UncommonPosts: 1,153
    Originally posted by funyahns
    Originally posted by EverSkelly

     


    Originally posted by tkoreaper

    Originally posted by RPGPorkster It's about Role Playing, and most people DO NOT want to role play a sport mascot looking character in a fantasy world.   The fact is Sony have been inspired by Disney and Wow, and the result was FreeRealms and now Everquest Next and Everquest Landmarks the next interactions of FreeRealms with construct/destructible landscape.   The "EQ" in the name is simply a means to capture an old customer base so lets hope they are so stupid to get  tricked by this marking scheme.
    Obvious troll is obvious.   It's great to see someone who knows what everyone wants and has facts to things that have no proof. I think someone is upset their Freerealms game got shut down.
     

     

    Yeah, it's best to call other poster a troll when you disagree, right..?

    Anyway, EQN graphics are horribly childish.
    Their tactics are obvious though - most players are youngsters, and youngsters should like childish stuff.
    I honestly think EQ1 graphics look better than EQN..

    How are they childish? They seem to be pretty nice looking textures hardly the work of children.. Oh do you mean stylized?  Well because its a Voxel game and has destructible environment.  Also.  I love EQ but get real the graphic on EQ are way dated. Hell even the updated ones from Luclin are really old now.  The 3D in EQ while great for the time has not aged that great.

    From what I've seen on the alpha forums and such, I'd guess the average Landmark player is in their 30's.

    The reason they're shutting Freerealms down is because kids don't (have) spend money.  They wouldn't follow that up with releasing a game for children.

    I am  not a fan of the player models, but I wasn't a fan of the cartoonish WoW models, which held up much better than the original EQ1 models did.  Cartoonish holds up better over time. It's that simple.

  • CazNeergCazNeerg Member Posts: 2,198


    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

    Limited?

    Landmark alpha is many things, like unstable and unfinished since it's a real alpha, but it's definitely not limited. There aren't many other MMORPGs where you can shape your own part of the open world that extensively.

    I agree, limited is not an accurate word.  With the current resource requirements just to get tools that let building go at a pace that isn't glacial, slow would be a very fair word though.

    Originally posted by RPGPorkster

    It's about Role Playing, and most people DO NOT want to role play a sport mascot looking character in a fantasy world. 

    The fact is Sony have been inspired by Disney and Wow, and the result was FreeRealms and now Everquest Next and Everquest Landmarks are the next interactions with construct/destructible landscape. 

    The "EQ" in the name is simply a means to capture an old customer base so lets hope those customers aren't so stupid to get  tricked by this marketing scheme.

    Everybody has different opinions on stylized vs realistic graphics, it's a matter of taste.  But trying to claim that "most people" don't want stylized is a little silly when the most popular MMO ever made, by a huge margin, uses stylized graphics.

    Originally posted by Latronus

    While I do agree with you, the same can be said about fanbois staunchly defending a game in development.  They have no idea where it will end up.  Road to the MMO graveyard is filled with examples; Vanguard, SWTOR, and almost anything that has come out in the past 8 years are great examples.  Landmark is in Alpha development so there is no reason to praise it as the second coming or trash it because it doesn't have features that older games, insert Minecraft, have right now.  Both are ignorant and baseless.  Let's give it time and see where it takes us.  It could be the mythical city of gold or the graveyard... Only time will tell.

    It's hard to take a post seriously that refers to other posts as ignorant and baseless when it at the same time refers to TOR as a failure.

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  • funyahnsfunyahns Member Posts: 315
     Honestly I think kids would like the game though. But that has absolutely zero to do with the graphics in anyway.  My niece loves Minecraft, but not because of the simple graphics.  It is the freedom to wander around and do things.  She sort of gets lost in her own imagination inside of her game. Like you stated though, she is not going to spend money in game. 
  • AIMonsterAIMonster Member UncommonPosts: 2,059
    Originally posted by CazNeerg
    I agree, limited is not an accurate word.  With the current resource requirements just to get tools that let building go at a pace that isn't glacial, slow would be a very fair word though.
     

    Sorry to nitpick your post, but I'd hardly call the pace "glacial".  It's designed to last people a long time and the game has only been available to the public for a day now.  Personally I already have a new pick and I've already built a significant amount of foundation for my manor in a single day, and I expect to be done with the base work in a week so I can start getting really creative.  I don't really think that's very slow, and as I make more progress in the game the pace I can build will increase.

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