The advantage that the WS devs have when it comes to content is that they have put forward the idea of changing raid content (i.e. an encounter that changes week to week) meaning a simple guide or video won't be enough to get you through the mechanics, it will require a certain amount of skill and understanding. If they pull that off and it's not just a "Encounter A, B or C" moment, it should be quite interesting.
All WS is doing is swapping bosses out week to week. That means you fight one boss this week, another boss next week, another boss the week after. All it is is gating content. You can't even do these bosses until you've grinded enough rep to get in there. You can't do the 40m until you do the 20m, etc. etc. Don't act like boss swapping is a novel idea.
You didn't really read what I said did you? "If it's not just an "encounter A, B or C" moment" it should be quite interesting." I assumed it would be more than that given what I've read here and there...
But I fully admit I know very little about WS' raiding past what I've read from the devs, so if what you're saying is true then that's a shame. Although I'm curious as to where you've read that it's just a weekly encounter swap? (I'm not arguing with you I'd just like to read more on the raiding system).
If you never liked WOW then i dont think you will like Wildstar, but I feel pretty confident that Wildstar be the MMO that finally topples WOW
Zoinks
My crystal ball tells me that a WoW killa Wildastar is not.
It was only a matter of time before some silly person said it.
Time to add it to the long list of WoW killers. Probably somewhere between Warhammer and Rift.
I know, i know! Every time a new hyped MMO comes out someone proclaims it a WOW killer. However with Wildstar there a three factors that make me believe that it could in fact happen
first and foremost is the timing. WOW is in decline and will probably splutter and die all by itself within a year or three. allthough i'm branding Wildstar a WOW killer in all fairnwess wow is an old dying beast and doesnt take much killing.
Secondely, because a lot of the Carbine Devs are ex Blizzards Devs from back when WOW was good. As has been mentioned by a few previous posters, WS is trying to copy what WOW used to be not what it's become. That mean it may well cater for the tens of millions of players who have left WoW over the years
And finally its the amount of money thats been thrown at this game. Carbine studios have been in developement of this for 9 years! and only this game. no back catalogue to fund it. I know huge finicial backing is no guarantee of a games success (swtor springs to mind) but it can certainly help. The game feels huge and polished to me. Playing the beta really reminded me of playing the Beta for WoW back in the day. I had this feeling that this will be a colossal game that i will still be playing for years to come. It was true of WoW and I'm optimistic that it will become true for WS.
If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!
If you never liked WOW then i dont think you will like Wildstar, but I feel pretty confident that Wildstar be the MMO that finally topples WOW
Zoinks
My crystal ball tells me that a WoW killa Wildastar is not.
It was only a matter of time before some silly person said it.
Time to add it to the long list of WoW killers. Probably somewhere between Warhammer and Rift.
I know, i know! Every time a new hyped MMO comes out someone proclaims it a WOW killer. However with Wildstar there a three factors that make me believe that it could in fact happen
first and foremost is the timing. WOW is in decline and will probably splutter and die all by itself within a year or three. allthough i'm branding Wildstar a WOW killer in all fairnwess wow is an old dying beast and doesnt take much killing.
The game has 7.8 million players, had its subs increase by 200k in its last quarter, and has a new xpac coming out soon. If you expect people to take your opinion with at least a tiny bit of seriousness, implying that wow will die out within a year, and max three, esp when games like SWTOR are still going strong over 2 years in, is the wrong way to start your post.
Maybe this is what is missing for me in this game. I have been in a few beta weekends and I like the game. I really like the combat and I think Espers kick ass. But it is missing something for me. ESO isn't but this game is. I hadn't been able to put my finger on it but now I think I see.
I did not come into MMO games from WoW. I have never played WoW in my life as a matter of fact. My first MMO game was RIFT.
So when people agree that this is like a WoW 2.0, I kind of shake my head. What does that MEAN exactly for someone who has never played WoW?
Rift is pretty much a WoW clone as well. The Rift devs threw in some bells and whistles, but at it's core it is WoW.
Get quest, complete quest, turn in quest, rinse and repeat to max level. Add in PvP (mostly instanced if not all instanced), and the throw some raids and dungeons in.
Yeah. If you've played AoC, LotRO, Rift, SWTOR, FF14, STO, DCUO, WAR's PvE, then you've played WoW.
If you never liked WOW then i dont think you will like Wildstar, but I feel pretty confident that Wildstar be the MMO that finally topples WOW
Zoinks
My crystal ball tells me that a WoW killa Wildastar is not.
It was only a matter of time before some silly person said it.
Time to add it to the long list of WoW killers. Probably somewhere between Warhammer and Rift.
I know, i know! Every time a new hyped MMO comes out someone proclaims it a WOW killer. However with Wildstar there a three factors that make me believe that it could in fact happen
first and foremost is the timing. WOW is in decline and will probably splutter and die all by itself within a year or three. allthough i'm branding Wildstar a WOW killer in all fairnwess wow is an old dying beast and doesnt take much killing.
The game has 7.8 million players, had its subs increase by 200k in its last quarter, and has a new xpac coming out soon. If you expect people to take your opinion with at least a tiny bit of seriousness, implying that wow will die out within a year, and max three, esp when games like SWTOR are still going strong over 2 years in, is the wrong way to start your post.
Have to agree with this. The number of players that will come back to WoW because of the new xpac will probably be more than all other MMO active players combined. That's not counting the current WoW subs, I'm saying the number of people that re-sub just to check out the xpac will be more subs than all other MMOs combined.
WildStar's only hope is to launch 6 months or so AFTER WoW's next xpac...even then their sub numbers will be smaller than SWTOR's current numbers after 2-3 months.
Originally posted by Volgore Wildstars' textures are WoW 0.5
Sadly, I have to agree with this as well. While not ground breaking in the least, WoW is redoing a lot of their graphics, including character models, and honestly it just looks better than WildStar's. (I can't believe I just said WoW's graphics are better than an MMO launching soon. Sad but true)
Originally posted by VolgoreWildstars' textures are WoW 0.5
Sadly, I have to agree with this as well. While not ground breaking in the least, WoW is redoing a lot of their graphics, including character models, and honestly it just looks better than WildStar's. (I can't believe I just said WoW's graphics are better than an MMO launching soon. Sad but true)
Well blizzard certainly has the money to redo their graphics whenever they feel like it, and they should, as should all devs of successful multi year running games. Now if only graphics made a good game (thats a generic comment, not about WoW).
Sorry m8, even your screenshots show that the textures aren't graphically compelling. They just seem cheap. Graphics do not make a game, but I would have expected a bit more for a game in development this long. Really, I've seen games on my phone or tablet that look better than this. I can' think of any MMO in the past few years that's been graphically as bad as WS. Seriously, I'm not talking about the art style, I'm talking about detail. It does not look good.
Ya umm, the textures kida look the same or better in WoD. overall I am sure WS will look better, but those screenshot don't really prove the guy you quoted wrong.
WoW is a clone. Every MMO out now is a clone of the first MMO to make MMOs work. EQ1 was the root. EQ stole a bunch of ideas that worked and made the leap to MMO so their idea is not unique just its execution was. The term WoW clone is chucked around without much thought because when it comes down to it, each game is just adding to what EQ1 made. Add 10-25% new ideas like an Auction House, DAoC and RvR and it goes on. WoW over the years and stolen so many new ideas from other games I am not even sure where you could go that does not touch on what is in WoW. The term should just stopped being used.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle WoW is a clone. Every MMO out now is a clone of the first MMO to make MMOs work. EQ1 was the root. EQ stole a bunch of ideas that worked and made the leap to MMO so their idea is not unique just its execution was. The term WoW clone is chucked around without much thought because when it comes down to it, each game is just adding to what EQ1 made. Add 10-25% new ideas like an Auction House, DAoC and RvR and it goes on. WoW over the years and stolen so many new ideas from other games I am not even sure where you could go that does not touch on what is in WoW. The term should just stopped being used.
To just go ahead and invalidate a good chunk of your post...EQ was by far not the first MMO, nor was it the first MMORPG.
And yes, WildStar is most certainly a WoW clone. It is made by mostly former WoW devs with the intent to recreate Vanilla WoW in a sci-fi environment. I don't think there's really ever been a game more deserving of the title WoW clone than WildStar.
How do u expected that wildstar wont be similar to wow? So many wildstar devs are former blizzard employees who wwer creating wow vanilla so for me its normal that wildstar have some things from wow. Thats great, they come with tested options which worked in wow and they will make them even more succesfull in wildstar.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle WoW is a clone. Every MMO out now is a clone of the first MMO to make MMOs work. EQ1 was the root. EQ stole a bunch of ideas that worked and made the leap to MMO so their idea is not unique just its execution was. The term WoW clone is chucked around without much thought because when it comes down to it, each game is just adding to what EQ1 made. Add 10-25% new ideas like an Auction House, DAoC and RvR and it goes on. WoW over the years and stolen so many new ideas from other games I am not even sure where you could go that does not touch on what is in WoW. The term should just stopped being used.
WoW was not an EQ clone though so that derails your entire point. They are both Theme park games with mobs, but that is about it.
To me the term clone really means that the day to day playing of the game feels the same. Wildstar feels exactly like playing WoW, which feels exactly like SWTOR and Rift and WAR and Aion etc. WoW never felt anything like EQ. Quest based leveling, instanced grouping, dungeon mobs tuned to a full group, solo mobs disgustingly easy, PvP boxes to play in etc. Playing WoW did not feel like playing EQ.
- WoW players will stay with WoW for Warlords of Draenor which adds a lot of new features and they don't want to loose all their friends/guildmates/hundreds, even thousands of hours played for something very similar to the game they are playing and still enoying.
- Ex WoW players or people that never played/didn't like WoW will not play because it's too similar to the game they are tired of/don't like...
Wildstar doesn't win in any scenario... except if Activision Blizzard buys Carbine from NCSoft and close WoW... lol...
The game was developed by people who originally built vanilla WoW. This fact was never hidden. Kind of pointless to say they ripped off something they built themselves.
Originally posted by ihaveabeard The game was developed by people who originally built vanilla WoW. This fact was never hidden. Kind of pointless to say they ripped off something they built themselves.
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It was only a matter of time before some silly person said it.
Time to add it to the long list of WoW killers. Probably somewhere between Warhammer and Rift.
You didn't really read what I said did you? "If it's not just an "encounter A, B or C" moment" it should be quite interesting." I assumed it would be more than that given what I've read here and there...
But I fully admit I know very little about WS' raiding past what I've read from the devs, so if what you're saying is true then that's a shame. Although I'm curious as to where you've read that it's just a weekly encounter swap? (I'm not arguing with you I'd just like to read more on the raiding system).
I know, i know! Every time a new hyped MMO comes out someone proclaims it a WOW killer. However with Wildstar there a three factors that make me believe that it could in fact happen
first and foremost is the timing. WOW is in decline and will probably splutter and die all by itself within a year or three. allthough i'm branding Wildstar a WOW killer in all fairnwess wow is an old dying beast and doesnt take much killing.
Secondely, because a lot of the Carbine Devs are ex Blizzards Devs from back when WOW was good. As has been mentioned by a few previous posters, WS is trying to copy what WOW used to be not what it's become. That mean it may well cater for the tens of millions of players who have left WoW over the years
And finally its the amount of money thats been thrown at this game. Carbine studios have been in developement of this for 9 years! and only this game. no back catalogue to fund it. I know huge finicial backing is no guarantee of a games success (swtor springs to mind) but it can certainly help. The game feels huge and polished to me. Playing the beta really reminded me of playing the Beta for WoW back in the day. I had this feeling that this will be a colossal game that i will still be playing for years to come. It was true of WoW and I'm optimistic that it will become true for WS.
If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!
The game has 7.8 million players, had its subs increase by 200k in its last quarter, and has a new xpac coming out soon. If you expect people to take your opinion with at least a tiny bit of seriousness, implying that wow will die out within a year, and max three, esp when games like SWTOR are still going strong over 2 years in, is the wrong way to start your post.
Oh man...
If i had a dollar for every time i Heard a game called wow 2.0...... I'd have like 8 dollars.
Oh well if this was in development for 9 years that makes a lot of sense, it plays and looks a lot like a game that would have come out 9 years ago.
Yeah. If you've played AoC, LotRO, Rift, SWTOR, FF14, STO, DCUO, WAR's PvE, then you've played WoW.
Have to agree with this. The number of players that will come back to WoW because of the new xpac will probably be more than all other MMO active players combined. That's not counting the current WoW subs, I'm saying the number of people that re-sub just to check out the xpac will be more subs than all other MMOs combined.
WildStar's only hope is to launch 6 months or so AFTER WoW's next xpac...even then their sub numbers will be smaller than SWTOR's current numbers after 2-3 months.
Sadly, I have to agree with this as well. While not ground breaking in the least, WoW is redoing a lot of their graphics, including character models, and honestly it just looks better than WildStar's. (I can't believe I just said WoW's graphics are better than an MMO launching soon. Sad but true)
Well blizzard certainly has the money to redo their graphics whenever they feel like it, and they should, as should all devs of successful multi year running games. Now if only graphics made a good game (thats a generic comment, not about WoW).
Turn your settings on and up?
http://media.hiddenarena.com/images/wildstar/2014/january/buffed_article/graphic_comparison08.jpg
http://media.hiddenarena.com/images/wildstar/2014/january/buffed_article/graphic_comparison16.jpg
http://media.hiddenarena.com/images/wildstar/2014/january/buffed_article/graphic_comparison28.jpg
Sorry m8, even your screenshots show that the textures aren't graphically compelling. They just seem cheap. Graphics do not make a game, but I would have expected a bit more for a game in development this long. Really, I've seen games on my phone or tablet that look better than this. I can' think of any MMO in the past few years that's been graphically as bad as WS. Seriously, I'm not talking about the art style, I'm talking about detail. It does not look good.
Ya umm, the textures kida look the same or better in WoD. overall I am sure WS will look better, but those screenshot don't really prove the guy you quoted wrong.
http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/february/ruliweb_newwowchara_on_41.jpg
http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/february/ruliweb_newwowchara_on_15.jpg
http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/february/ruliweb_newwowchara_on_16.jpg
To just go ahead and invalidate a good chunk of your post...EQ was by far not the first MMO, nor was it the first MMORPG.
And yes, WildStar is most certainly a WoW clone. It is made by mostly former WoW devs with the intent to recreate Vanilla WoW in a sci-fi environment. I don't think there's really ever been a game more deserving of the title WoW clone than WildStar.
Anyway, NO EQ WAS NOT THE FIRST.
WoW was not an EQ clone though so that derails your entire point. They are both Theme park games with mobs, but that is about it.
To me the term clone really means that the day to day playing of the game feels the same. Wildstar feels exactly like playing WoW, which feels exactly like SWTOR and Rift and WAR and Aion etc. WoW never felt anything like EQ. Quest based leveling, instanced grouping, dungeon mobs tuned to a full group, solo mobs disgustingly easy, PvP boxes to play in etc. Playing WoW did not feel like playing EQ.
Let's say it's WoW 2.0... What does it change ?
- WoW players will stay with WoW for Warlords of Draenor which adds a lot of new features and they don't want to loose all their friends/guildmates/hundreds, even thousands of hours played for something very similar to the game they are playing and still enoying.
- Ex WoW players or people that never played/didn't like WoW will not play because it's too similar to the game they are tired of/don't like...
Wildstar doesn't win in any scenario... except if Activision Blizzard buys Carbine from NCSoft and close WoW... lol...
Its first dungeon starts at level 15, and dont forget Adventures which are essentially smaller scale "your choice affects the outcome" dungeons.
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Those pics look really bad. I think WoW might actually look better.
What I don't get is even comparing Wildstar to WoW at all. It is different in almost every single way it could be and still be in the MMORPG genre.
Can only make a case for the art style, and that there are "!" over NPC heads to give out quests.
And those screenshots are VASTLY inferior to what I experienced when I play.
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