I'm afraid you might just be 6 years short of understanding also. Bill Murphey's review on front page of MMORPG should help you understand the age and time you had to be in to understand it. Just off of Bill Murpheys' review I can see he knows the origin of the genre I talk about. Let me tell you about the days of High Adventure....
Watch all those movies I listed in the original post, and tell me that they are not some of the greatest movies of all-time... and if you can not tell me that, then you have your reason for not understanding our love for the game.
Originally posted by Knotwood When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision. That vision is what I love and talk about. its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...
Brad McQuaid ?
Vanguard had way better vision in my opinion, and looked amazing, the way an mmo should look and how an mmo should play , no loading screens.
TESO is the same old thing, with a few peices glued on from Skyrim.
Even though I agree with you about the loading screen, I think its impossible these days. In the age where people call EQ:Next's graphics childish dull, stupid and childish ... the developers are forced to use high resolution detailed worlds and thats a lot of gigabytes. It takes time to load all this. Hell, battlefield 4 is freaking gorgeous at ultra graphics, yet it takes about 2-3 minutes to load a map for me. I mean sure, I have an SSD to improve on that but I prefer having Gw2 on it. So yeah, point of my post is that we'll see loading screens more and more often for longer and longer periods of time. Unless hardware processing power quadriples every other year.
ArcheAge has no loading screens for the entire outside world - which is several times bigger than all of ESO put together.
It has nothing to do with graphics, it has to do with game engine and design of the world.
One of the first things I did when I started ArcheAge was just run out into the world and explore. I have no words for how good it felt to finally play another true open world game. Not since Lineage 2 have I had to chance to just run out into the world knowing I could go anywhere I wanted to. Just standing on a hill and looking out into to ocean is so amazing because you know that its somewhere that you can actually go and fully explore. Its so good to know that there are no zones or channels and that everybody plays in the exact same game world. This is old school to me and its one of the many things that has been lost in the mmo genre. Its impossible for a themepark mmo to be old school.
When was the last time people even played a real " old school" mmo. Wow pretty much killed their design and it's now 10 years old. I wonder if it's been long enough that the people who think eso is anything like an old school mmo just don't remember what an old school mmo even was anymore.
I'm afraid you might just be 6 years short of understanding also. Bill Murphey's review on front page of MMORPG should help you understand the age and time you had to be in to understand it. Just off of Bill Murpheys' review I can see he knows the origin of the genre I talk about. Let me tell you about the days of High Adventure....
Watch all those movies I listed in the original post, and tell me that they are not some of the greatest movies of all-time... and if you can not tell me that, then you have your reason for not understanding our love for the game.
You didn't even understand my reaction.... it just proves that age got nothing to do with mental maturity of a person.
As far as Bill is concerned he is excited about every new MMO and gives it high ratings.
I'm afraid you might just be 6 years short of understanding also. Bill Murphey's review on front page of MMORPG should help you understand the age and time you had to be in to understand it. Just off of Bill Murpheys' review I can see he knows the origin of the genre I talk about. Let me tell you about the days of High Adventure....
Watch all those movies I listed in the original post, and tell me that they are not some of the greatest movies of all-time... and if you can not tell me that, then you have your reason for not understanding our love for the game.
You didn't even understand my reaction.... it just proves that age got nothing to do with mental maturity of a person.
As far as Bill is concerned he is excited about every new MMO and gives it high ratings.
I've not seen a single person of, or around, the age of 40 to use his language or get so easily excited.... maybe I am lacking experience but my gut tells me he boosted his age to get "forum cred" and is somewhere around 17-20 years old in reality. There is no way in the seven Hells he could pass through high-school, college and I assume University, and their assorted trials and tribulations, this much like a duck through water.
And as for movies...lol... they've actually gotten markedly better since secondary markets have become more important with their film makers in tow ( sorry but for every Blade Runner you had gods only know how many sequels that ruined franchises, for every Wrath of Khan there was a massive shit like any of the movies that tried to emulate to success of the Police Academy just like how today for every LotR, Matrix, etc, there are Uwe Boll movies, horrible remakes, etc, only difference is good or bad today the movies come from all over not just a few sources).
And as for movies...lol... they've actually gotten markedly better since secondary markets have become more important with their film makers in tow ( sorry but for every Blade Runner you had gods only know how many sequels that ruined franchises, for every Wrath of Khan there was a massive shit like any of the movies that tried to emulate to success of the Police Academy just like how today for every LotR, Matrix, etc, there are Uwe Boll movies, horrible remakes, etc, only difference is good or bad today the movies come from all over not just a few sources).
My point has been proven, and I know you do not even know why... Only an Old School High Adventure fan who grew up on all those movies in my original post could ever understand.
You also listed all Sci-FI movies, when all the movies I listed in my Original post are High Adventure movies. Completely different genre.
I'm pretty versed in old mmorpgs, and there has not been any released since lotro. LotrO has all of the core elements of a an Asheron calls sequel minus the pvp.
TESO is a single play cop title with a hybrid combat system that felt fun for minute.
Umm... LOTRO was the first "WoW clone" I mean it literally has the exact same hub system. I agree it does have some great unique elements as well, but not sure what says Asheron's Call about LOTRO to you.
Umm... WoW was the first "EQ clone". WoW clone is such a retarded comment these days.
And as for movies...lol... they've actually gotten markedly better since secondary markets have become more important with their film makers in tow ( sorry but for every Blade Runner you had gods only know how many sequels that ruined franchises, for every Wrath of Khan there was a massive shit like any of the movies that tried to emulate to success of the Police Academy just like how today for every LotR, Matrix, etc, there are Uwe Boll movies, horrible remakes, etc, only difference is good or bad today the movies come from all over not just a few sources).
My point has been proven, and I know you do not even know why... Only an Old School High Adventure fan who grew up on all those movies in my original post could ever understand.
You also listed all Sci-FI movies, when all the movies I listed in my Original post are High Adventure movies. Completely different genre.
The ole, "you're not qualified to disagree with me" argument. Fantastic...
I grew up playing PnP AD&D.. I played Hero's Quest, Baldur's Gate, nwn, Meridian 59, Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, Everquest... You don't get any more old school than me. ESO holds your hand, shows you the way.. The spirit of High Adventure? If, by that, you mean, "left click the NPC, follow the arrow, click the marker, go back to the NPC, left click until you level up" YEAH, ESO's got heaps of it.
And as for movies...lol... they've actually gotten markedly better since secondary markets have become more important with their film makers in tow ( sorry but for every Blade Runner you had gods only know how many sequels that ruined franchises, for every Wrath of Khan there was a massive shit like any of the movies that tried to emulate to success of the Police Academy just like how today for every LotR, Matrix, etc, there are Uwe Boll movies, horrible remakes, etc, only difference is good or bad today the movies come from all over not just a few sources).
My point has been proven, and I know you do not even know why... Only an Old School High Adventure fan who grew up on all those movies in my original post could ever understand.
You also listed all Sci-FI movies, when all the movies I listed in my Original post are High Adventure movies. Completely different genre.
If you post only to agree with yourself then i suggest open a blog or something because this attitude isn't going to work on the forums.
Is it shocking that the very movies that I consider great and love ESO for, just happen to be movies you dint care about or did not like. You basicly do not like everything that is a inspiration to games like ESO. Its just that simple, that's all you really had to say. Its not about whos better then each other in real life, its about how we were raised and what our tastes were like.
I loved High Adventure Movies, you did not. I love ESO, you do not. Nothing wrong with that.
I read almost every one of Tolkein's books.. I love "High Adventure." However, I do not care for the shallow movies you've listed. And I don't care for ESO.
ESO holds your hand, shows you the way.. The spirit of High Adventure? If, by that, you mean, "left click the NPC, follow the arrow, click the marker, go back to the NPC, left click until you level up" YEAH, ESO's got heaps of it.
I'm glad you can agree that ESO is of the High Adventure genre and that you love the things I do.
However, where you and me differ, is that you have an issue with how that High Adventure is presented to you. Totally different issues then the poster before you that I was addressing.
I can sympathize with you over your issues, however, I see issues like that very minor given that the very last game of that type of genre came out was LOTRO. I have no doubt you would say the same about LOTRO or worse because of its now outdated graphics.
You see, your importance is more on the MMO aspect of the game and not the Old School High Adventure of the game, in which I find to be the best in any game that has came out so far to date.
I have to think realistic about these things. When I played EQOA, I dint go... Well its not 2014 graphics so its crapy and unimersive... I dint say that about LOTRO either. I saw what was before me was a game that was the best out at the time that was true to the old school things you mentioned and I used my imagination to fill in the rest.
To throw away a game that is of the genre and old school high adventure things you love just based on things as silly as an arrow market you can turn off if you want, seems rather shallow of a reason to me.
If you pass up this game just because of your love of money or most of the things in it are not 2050 gaming, You are only robbing yourself of an enjoyable experience you can have that has a lot to do with the things you love. Like all the old school high adventure things you listed.
Is it shocking that the very movies that I consider great and love ESO for, just happen to be movies you dint care about or did not like. You basicly do not like everything that is a inspiration to games like ESO. Its just that simple, that's all you really had to say. Its not about whos better then each other in real life, its about how we were raised and what our tastes were like.
I loved High Adventure Movies, you did not. I love ESO, you do not. Nothing wrong with that.
If that's really what you thought then why would you make a title like this.
It's amazing how I posted next to you as a fan of this game for months and you don't remember it at all and now tell me I didn't like parts of the game. I liked several things until they said cash shop and tossed it all into the toilet.
No reason to backtrack, you tried to lock it all down and say this game was a panacea and it's not. It doesn't matter what mechanics are in the game to like or dislike when the game pieces are for sale because that isn't old school.
It may have got you views but I'm still not buying the game. Cash shops are crap and any developer who wants to spend time on them tells me that they don't care about adventure, they care about running a retail store and they want to hire marketing and monetization specialists instead of developers.
If that's your cup of tea, that's fine but to go the extent of exclaiming that it's old school is just trying to mislead people who you think might be looking for a game with that old time feel needs to be rebutted. Everyone should be aware this game is heavily quest based and not interested in you venturing off the main path and especially that they are selling parts of the items in the game for real cash. That too isn't old school at all.
Then what you have is a love of money over your love of old school high adventure. its that simple. I personally don't care how much they put into a cash shop, or if its theme or if its this or that, as long as its true to the vision old school high adventure, I will support this game to the very end or until something of the same type of genre comes along and does it far better then ESO. Which isn't anywhere on the horizon.
I´m enjoying the game a lot more than i though i would when i bought it.
At the begining i missed a mini map...and chat bubbles....and a Actions House...and then.... i changed the rythm...
TESO has it´s own rythm, and feeling. Very much like a ESO game and perfect for RP.
I like that. The game is growing in me as i play....
I realized now (after playing TESO) of how MMORPGs have become a fast paced instant satisfaction genre,
and i feel like TESO is bringing the relax and the RP back into MMO gaming.
I find myself taking pics like a tourist everywhere in this game...
Me too! I dont feel that rush to level or leave an area, as i have with other MMOs, to get to the next quest hub. Hell im still on the starter island at Lv 7
I read almost every one of Tolkein's books.. I love "High Adventure." However, I do not care for the shallow movies you've listed. And I don't care for ESO.
My tastes are too sophisticated to enjoy ESO.
Well theres your reason, your tastes are not ESO, its as simple as that, if you don't like Conan the Barbarian, which was an all time great Old School High Adventure movie, then it doesn't surprise me that you do not like ESO.
The Emperor: "Strong in the farce is this one, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "But his shill-fu is weak, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You must turn him to the dark side, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You are really a 'yes-man', aren't you, Lord Vader?"
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
...later that day:
Darth Vader: "Knotwood, I am your father..."
Knotwood: "Noooooooo!"
Falls to his doom...
Idk, in the last Five posts I made, I just proved why all Five of the top haters of ESO do not like ESO. I think that was a success for any given day on the ESO forum.
The Emperor: "Strong in the farce is this one, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "But his shill-fu is weak, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You must turn him to the dark side, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You are really a 'yes-man', aren't you, Lord Vader?"
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
...later that day:
Darth Vader: "Knotwood, I am your father..."
Knotwood: "Noooooooo!"
Falls to his doom...
Idk, in the last Five posts I made, I just proved why all Five of the top haters of ESO do not like ESO. I think that was a success for any given day on the ESO forum.
P.S. That genre.... is Sci-FI. LOL.
Proved to whom? Ask yourself that before you pat yourself on the back. And, duh... the genre has nothing to do with anything. It's called "satire".
The Emperor: "Strong in the farce is this one, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "But his shill-fu is weak, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You must turn him to the dark side, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You are really a 'yes-man', aren't you, Lord Vader?"
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
...later that day:
Darth Vader: "Knotwood, I am your father..."
Knotwood: "Noooooooo!"
Falls to his doom...
Idk, in the last Five posts I made, I just proved why all Five of the top haters of ESO do not like ESO. I think that was a success for any given day on the ESO forum.
P.S. That genre.... is Sci-FI. LOL.
Proved to whom? Ask yourself that before you pat yourself on the back. And, duh... the genre has nothing to do with anything. It's called "satire".
He really wants this game to appear like Conan the Barbarian for some reason. The only thing they have in common at all is that they are both set in a fantasy setting. Beyond that they have almost nothing in common. The brutal nature of Robert E. Howard's work just doesn't manifest itself within the game at all. He is likely intending to compare ESO to the sword and sorcery style of adventure and the comparison falls flat.
If you do want a Conan the Barbarian feel, I'd recommend actually playing Age of Conan. It captures the "high adventure" (he probably means sword and sorcery and just doesn't know it) much better than ESO.
I read almost every one of Tolkein's books.. I love "High Adventure." However, I do not care for the shallow movies you've listed. And I don't care for ESO.
My tastes are too sophisticated to enjoy ESO.
Well theres your reason, your tastes are not ESO, its as simple as that, if you don't like Conan the Barbarian, which was an all time great Old School High Adventure movie, then it doesn't surprise me that you do not like ESO.
Uhh? ESO is not comparable to COB. Both lores have nothing in common. ESO is too tame compared to savagery, sex and gore of COB. I wonder if you even know anything about Conan universe or just pulling random stuff outta thin air... to make a point.
For me ESO is my 1000 year old bottle of wine. I'm sure some would prefer ten cases of beer instead of that 1000 year old bottle of wine, because they would rather get drink that many times more. But to me, this 1000year old bottle of wine is 100% my tastes.
ESO takes everything I loved in my childhood and wraps it up into one big package and delivers it into a modern up to date modern game that is realistic graphic, voiced over, and everything I could possibly have wanted in a modern game of this type of genre style.
When I look at the timeline of games that were inspired by things of high adventure genre of my youth that I enjoyed the most, I can only identify a handful of games up to this date that have been made with my tastes of high adventure at heart. Among them I see EQ, Eqoa, Lotro,and Age of Conan as the types of games that are my tastes of bottles of wine which do not come out everyday.
So to me a game isn't about weather its theme park, sandbox, or even the cost of the game, it doesn't matter. Its about having something oldschool that is my taste of genre of high adventure that has come out, which I haven't tasted in over 5 years.
Games of this type genre which I loved so much from my childhood do not come out every day that are pure to my old school tastes of the high adventure of my youth across all spectrums from movies, table top dice throwing, to games. So this game might not be your 1000 year old scool bottle of high adventure genre that your taste buds love, but you have to at least respect the fact that my taste of 1000 year old wine is ESO.
I might see WoW or Wildstar as cheap beer, whereas you might see it as your 1000 year old wine for another reason. While you may call my ESO as cheap bear, when I see it as 1000 year old wine because it represents the old school high adventure genre of my youth that I so much enjoyed in life.
Someone tried to tell me that Conan with a laser pistol would be the same, so ESO is the same as SWTOR, but do you really think it could possibly be the same for me if Conan the barbarian had a laser pistol, could I have loved Conan the Barbarian if he had a laser pistol or anything sci-fi in the movie? That answer to me, would be No, I could not feel the same way about that movie it was like that, just as I cannot feel SWTOR is the same as ESO.
Well I'm off to play the game I love, I hope I have inspired the many people who love Old School High Adventure and do not let others dis-sway you from things you love, just because others hate it or might not recognize the difference between the old school high adventure genre we grew up on and came to love in our youth and another whole different genre of games. Enjoy!
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I'm afraid you might just be 6 years short of understanding also. Bill Murphey's review on front page of MMORPG should help you understand the age and time you had to be in to understand it. Just off of Bill Murpheys' review I can see he knows the origin of the genre I talk about. Let me tell you about the days of High Adventure....
Watch all those movies I listed in the original post, and tell me that they are not some of the greatest movies of all-time... and if you can not tell me that, then you have your reason for not understanding our love for the game.
One of the first things I did when I started ArcheAge was just run out into the world and explore. I have no words for how good it felt to finally play another true open world game. Not since Lineage 2 have I had to chance to just run out into the world knowing I could go anywhere I wanted to. Just standing on a hill and looking out into to ocean is so amazing because you know that its somewhere that you can actually go and fully explore. Its so good to know that there are no zones or channels and that everybody plays in the exact same game world. This is old school to me and its one of the many things that has been lost in the mmo genre. Its impossible for a themepark mmo to be old school.
You didn't even understand my reaction.... it just proves that age got nothing to do with mental maturity of a person.
As far as Bill is concerned he is excited about every new MMO and gives it high ratings.
I've not seen a single person of, or around, the age of 40 to use his language or get so easily excited.... maybe I am lacking experience but my gut tells me he boosted his age to get "forum cred" and is somewhere around 17-20 years old in reality. There is no way in the seven Hells he could pass through high-school, college and I assume University, and their assorted trials and tribulations, this much like a duck through water.
And as for movies...lol... they've actually gotten markedly better since secondary markets have become more important with their film makers in tow ( sorry but for every Blade Runner you had gods only know how many sequels that ruined franchises, for every Wrath of Khan there was a massive shit like any of the movies that tried to emulate to success of the Police Academy just like how today for every LotR, Matrix, etc, there are Uwe Boll movies, horrible remakes, etc, only difference is good or bad today the movies come from all over not just a few sources).
My point has been proven, and I know you do not even know why... Only an Old School High Adventure fan who grew up on all those movies in my original post could ever understand.
You also listed all Sci-FI movies, when all the movies I listed in my Original post are High Adventure movies. Completely different genre.
Umm... WoW was the first "EQ clone". WoW clone is such a retarded comment these days.
The ole, "you're not qualified to disagree with me" argument. Fantastic...
I grew up playing PnP AD&D.. I played Hero's Quest, Baldur's Gate, nwn, Meridian 59, Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, Everquest... You don't get any more old school than me. ESO holds your hand, shows you the way.. The spirit of High Adventure? If, by that, you mean, "left click the NPC, follow the arrow, click the marker, go back to the NPC, left click until you level up" YEAH, ESO's got heaps of it.
If you post only to agree with yourself then i suggest open a blog or something because this attitude isn't going to work on the forums.
Is it shocking that the very movies that I consider great and love ESO for, just happen to be movies you dint care about or did not like. You basicly do not like everything that is a inspiration to games like ESO. Its just that simple, that's all you really had to say. Its not about whos better then each other in real life, its about how we were raised and what our tastes were like.
I loved High Adventure Movies, you did not. I love ESO, you do not. Nothing wrong with that.
I read almost every one of Tolkein's books.. I love "High Adventure." However, I do not care for the shallow movies you've listed. And I don't care for ESO.
My tastes are too sophisticated to enjoy ESO.
I'm glad you can agree that ESO is of the High Adventure genre and that you love the things I do.
However, where you and me differ, is that you have an issue with how that High Adventure is presented to you. Totally different issues then the poster before you that I was addressing.
I can sympathize with you over your issues, however, I see issues like that very minor given that the very last game of that type of genre came out was LOTRO. I have no doubt you would say the same about LOTRO or worse because of its now outdated graphics.
You see, your importance is more on the MMO aspect of the game and not the Old School High Adventure of the game, in which I find to be the best in any game that has came out so far to date.
I have to think realistic about these things. When I played EQOA, I dint go... Well its not 2014 graphics so its crapy and unimersive... I dint say that about LOTRO either. I saw what was before me was a game that was the best out at the time that was true to the old school things you mentioned and I used my imagination to fill in the rest.
To throw away a game that is of the genre and old school high adventure things you love just based on things as silly as an arrow market you can turn off if you want, seems rather shallow of a reason to me.
If you pass up this game just because of your love of money or most of the things in it are not 2050 gaming, You are only robbing yourself of an enjoyable experience you can have that has a lot to do with the things you love. Like all the old school high adventure things you listed.
Then what you have is a love of money over your love of old school high adventure. its that simple. I personally don't care how much they put into a cash shop, or if its theme or if its this or that, as long as its true to the vision old school high adventure, I will support this game to the very end or until something of the same type of genre comes along and does it far better then ESO. Which isn't anywhere on the horizon.
Me too! I dont feel that rush to level or leave an area, as i have with other MMOs, to get to the next quest hub. Hell im still on the starter island at Lv 7
The Emperor: "Strong in the farce is this one, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "But his shill-fu is weak, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You must turn him to the dark side, Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
The Emperor: "You are really a 'yes-man', aren't you, Lord Vader?"
Darth Vader: "Yes, my master."
...later that day:
Darth Vader: "Knotwood, I am your father..."
Knotwood: "Noooooooo!"
Falls to his doom...
Well theres your reason, your tastes are not ESO, its as simple as that, if you don't like Conan the Barbarian, which was an all time great Old School High Adventure movie, then it doesn't surprise me that you do not like ESO.
Idk, in the last Five posts I made, I just proved why all Five of the top haters of ESO do not like ESO. I think that was a success for any given day on the ESO forum.
P.S. That genre.... is Sci-FI. LOL.
Proved to whom? Ask yourself that before you pat yourself on the back. And, duh... the genre has nothing to do with anything. It's called "satire".
He's too young to know what satire is.
He really wants this game to appear like Conan the Barbarian for some reason. The only thing they have in common at all is that they are both set in a fantasy setting. Beyond that they have almost nothing in common. The brutal nature of Robert E. Howard's work just doesn't manifest itself within the game at all. He is likely intending to compare ESO to the sword and sorcery style of adventure and the comparison falls flat.
If you do want a Conan the Barbarian feel, I'd recommend actually playing Age of Conan. It captures the "high adventure" (he probably means sword and sorcery and just doesn't know it) much better than ESO.
Uhh? ESO is not comparable to COB. Both lores have nothing in common. ESO is too tame compared to savagery, sex and gore of COB. I wonder if you even know anything about Conan universe or just pulling random stuff outta thin air... to make a point.
ESO is like disney land in comparison to Conan.
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