i just think any new major mmo (eqn looking at you) will have to figure out a way to deal with bots and hacks before launch - they need to work solutions into their development cycle - not deal with it after release...otherwise i just dont think they will have a future - especially with a player driven economy - at least they will not be able to convince me to give them my money on a monthly basis...
Don't basically all mmos (or any online game, even fps) b have hackers and bots? I can't say the last mmo that I played that didn't have that. Hell I played eq 1 at release and there were occasional bots. That was ages ago. I hope they are banned but I think everyone should expect to see them, but please do report them! It's the best we can do.
LOL, the game is in alpha and we already have doom and gloom posts I mean COME ON........
Well, a certain "other game" is getting some serious heat for how awful it is and the crusaders have chosen AA as their ritual sacrifice to appease the gods and make them feel better.
Why not just say this op ? "I hate AA because i can't afford the founder's price for alpha, so now i will sensationalize something occuring in other release regions"
Yes i will hold you accountable for your godawful post history, your just a troll with some youtube vids from other releases. Unti this happens in the NA version of the game i will be content to give Trion a chance to squash these possible hacks/bugs/exploits.
omg, stop insulting me. I neve said in any of my post im against AA. I only said i do not support shabby business like Trion is doing or any other company will do in future. I can afford AA easy since i live in a rich country in middle of europe..figure it out wich one that is! Its just my personal opinion.
And i think you do not know what a developer and a publisher is- One invents- the other sells. Big difference. Maybe you should get some information befoe you start insulting people again.
All you've explained there is that the problems do exist and they are 'trying' to catch people for it instead of removing the problems in the first place. A bot/hack detector is not a 'fix'. Hacks are the real problem, bots exist in every MMO.. but hacks do not.
Which is why the problems should be discussed and people have a right to be concerned.
I explained nothing, I simply repeated the information that the OP himself posted.
I have no opinion, merely that the data presented by both sides seems to indicate that as a customer it would be prudent to wait and see with this game.
You can be concerned about anything you like, you have a 'right' to be concerned about anything under the sun, the question here is this: Do you a rational reason to be concerned about these things?
That is the question.
You are dealing in absolutes, and absolutes are absolutely incorrect. "Bots exist in every mmo but hacks do not" based off what? Sorry but this is pure conjecture.
And i think you do not know what a developer and a publisher is- One invents- the other sells. Big difference. Maybe you should get some information befoe you start insulting people again.
Yes, and if you have been following ArcheAge you would know Trion is not just publishing they are also customizing their version of ArcheAge for the North American release.
Amusing... because I saw all kinds of things in AA so far, but not a single bot.
And for info, the game does have an active hack/bot protection, you can see it loading each time you run the game. Seems to me the OP makes propaganda based on some Internet rumors and has never played the game himself.
I know it sounds funny but- the problem is been discussed in AA Forum.
The Botmaker of rus version is waiting for the game to go f2p. THat hackprotection your talking about can be disabled by every amateur- wich was possible in the last decade of mmos. It is used only to statisfy the customers that have no clue how to disable it- wich is easy once you know how ollydbg works.
It would be me to have started that discussion on the AA forums (guess you mean the quarry bot thread?). So far I'm not 100% certain they were bots, but some admitted to use macros on Logitech G1x keyboards. I've also seen a lots of macros/pressed keys to level mounts (donkeys mostly). But at least the 'report suspected bot' skill is working. With 5 of those they're gone from the spot and if we legit players use them on bots nothing's wrong I'd say...
About hack protection... I'm used to that from the Lineage II times. Most of them are more an annoyance for legit players than they are for bots/cheaters. I've learned to live with it by now. Aside from learning to live with it, I have faith in TRION to keep the botters/cheaters at bay. Will be a daunting task for them though with an Asian grinder ;-)
And i think you do not know what a developer and a publisher is- One invents- the other sells. Big difference. Maybe you should get some information befoe you start insulting people again.
Yes, and if you have been following ArcheAge you would know Trion is not just publishing they are also customizing their version of ArcheAge for the North American release.
Its called marketing. Besides Trion is paying for a LICENSE-they do not OWN the game. What you think to belive is what you should belive- but the truth is- your being brainwashed by cheap marketing tactics- the same ppl let you belive its ok to pay 150 dollar for a f2p game before testing youself or knowing what will await you when you swith to f2p.
Lol hack or not i spent 150 on the game and it's honestly one of the better mmo's i've ever played. So even if the hacks or bots do come i can say i enjoyed something for xx of time if it couldn't be stopped.
As for the ESO hate, i played it for 20 minutes then uninstalled because it was boring.
The difference between ESO and AA is that when you start the game there's a certain feel for wanting to see and learn more. AA has that, ESO doesn't. I don't know about ESO's current state but i was interested in staying to see it which says enough.
Originally posted by JayFiveAlive Don't basically all mmos (or any online game, even fps) b have hackers and bots? I can't say the last mmo that I played that didn't have that. Hell I played eq 1 at release and there were occasional bots. That was ages ago. I hope they are banned but I think everyone should expect to see them, but please do report them! It's the best we can do.
Why are you trying to make this about bots? Its not about bots.
Its about Archeage being easily hackable because parts of the game are handled client side and not server side.
Yes, every MMO is going to have bots but not every MMO is going to have level 2 characters running around 1 shotting mobs because the person hacked the paramaters of the skills he's using.
Also, what about people being able to spawn mobs at will? Does every MMO have that? No?! What a shock.
Yeesh.. With WS's frequent disconnects and poor engine optimization (the latter would have been fixed by now if it was going to be) and now the revelation that AA is rampant with Hackers and Bots.. the ESO Hate Union may start having a difficult time.
And please.. pretty please.. don't try to play the "Beta" card. Responses like that are just sad at this point.
I wouldn't think this was so funny if there hadn't been such an insane amount of (mostly unfounded) hate against ESO. I generally wish good luck to all games, whether I am interested in them or not.. But lately it's difficult to support people when they bash ESO (many of whom make it obvious they haven't played or played a single beta weekend).
So wtg jackasses. Best of luck with your "better" games.
Alpha state games = unfinished product. Features missing, Many bugs and problems. Goals of alpha state games are to implement designed features and ensure game runs in a playable state.
Beta state games = Finished feature set. Many bugs. Beta is for squashing bugs. Bug bugs bugs.. Lots of bugs. Beta's supposed to last as long as is needed to squash the many bugs.
So in your opinion, neither an alpha nor a beta state game is for squashing bugs. When are the bugs supposed to be squashed? pre-alpha? So dev's are supposed to be spending their time squashing bugs in a game that doesn't have many tester to find them, nor even 50% of the features even implemented yet to see what bugs come up?
Wildstar this weekend had one day of d/c's that was fixed in the evening eastern time. A new bug popped up, in a game that is free to play currently during it's beta weekends. I haven't paid a penny and i've been playing every beta weekend. Optimization isn't finished. Dev's communicate strongly with their player base. Not my fault you don't read what they are writing or even pretending to follow the games development.
AA's alpha might be a big misleading. Should be in a beta state. Features are in, bugs in western translation need to be fixed. IMO the $150 alpha is nothing more then a cash grab. If there wasn't already a Korean and russian version available for awhile now, in no way should the game be considered alpha. That is not the technical term. So you got it right for AA, but for wildstar, get your facts straight.
There shouldn't be many bugs in this game build AT ALL. The game has been live in Korea for HOW LONG? And it's been live in Russia for a while as well. So, bugs in the code (which don't have much to do with Korean/English/Russian) should have been fixed by the game's dev team long, long ago. This game isn't really an "alpha" at all. It's a game whose translations are being updated, but the core gameplay and programming remains the same. That's like saying they'll "fix" a bad movie while they do the translations for dubs/subtitles. Trion isn't re-programming this game.
As for people not seeing much hacking/bots right now in ArcheAge, you're not going to see that as much from people who paid $150 just to get into the game. When you'll see it explode is once the game "launches" with its free-to-play model and anyone/everyone can get in. Then there is nothing stopping a flood of cheating. It's actually not as likely that the developer will make this a top issue. Cheating just isn't considered as serious of a problem in Asia and Russia. They just consider it like, "If you can profit from the mistakes of others, then you should do so." So, unless Trion gets control of the game's source code, don't expect to see many changes to core game mechanics.
Wildstar is another matter, and we'll all just have to sit back and wait to see how that turns out (just like with ESO). Maybe it'll work out, maybe it'll be full of bugs and a huge mess. We don't know. It would be nice to see a game like this survive and develop, but I still feel like they're making a mistake trying to go with a purchase/subscription model. I'm still doubtful that ESO will be able to maintain subscribers enough to keep the game developing at any reasonable pace. But we'll just have to wait and see...
First of all name me ONE MMORPG that doesn't have bugs. Alpha. Beta. Release. Post content. whatever. So saying that a game has bugs is kind of moot given its how the system works.
Second which version are you actually playing right now if you are playing at all? You make a lot of comments but have no data to back it up so your credibility is low.
I'll give you mine. I'm in the NA Alpha. I've been playing for two weeks. the only bugs I've seen where the characters facets fading in an out or dissappearing all together. I haven't seen any bots (that I could recognize) but I'm only in the starter zone. I bought ESO. The first dungeon I was in I saw a bunch of bots named sssrtgz, sssrtgy, sssrtx all standing around a quest mob and killing it instantly when it spawns.
So tell me where these bots are (and I'm not saying there are NO bots) - but saying you are not giving enough detail of where these bots are and in which version of the game you are playing. They could be different.
Originally posted by Scypheroth BOY O BOY! i cant wait for this game to launch and all the butt hurt F2P ppl start whinning about why they cant builld, wny is there labor points taking forever to accumulate and so forth....hahahah F2p MY ASS
Thanks for derailing the thread and for.. talking rubbish. Trion have already proven they know how to do FTP right, until they prove otherwise you're just wasting that finger typing energy.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
LOL, the game is in alpha and we already have doom and gloom posts I mean COME ON........
Every game has bots it's all in how they handle them come release...... I see no sign of Trion just letting the bots run rampant, I mean why bother with the title just to let it go down the toilet with bots and hacks? As far as my knowledge Trion has always been one of the better MMO companies so why ruin it with this mess?
And the good news here is they still have time to deal with it the game probably wont be out at least for a couple months if not more....
The game is not in Alpha.. when are people going to realise that this game is already released in two other regions? It's the SAME game. The only thing they are doing in alpha is localization and optimizing the servers.. NOT patching the game independently.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
LOL, the game is in alpha and we already have doom and gloom posts I mean COME ON........
Every game has bots it's all in how they handle them come release...... I see no sign of Trion just letting the bots run rampant, I mean why bother with the title just to let it go down the toilet with bots and hacks? As far as my knowledge Trion has always been one of the better MMO companies so why ruin it with this mess?
And the good news here is they still have time to deal with it the game probably wont be out at least for a couple months if not more....
The game is not in Alpha.. when are people going to realise that this game is already released in two other regions? It's the SAME game. The only thing they are doing in alpha is localization and optimizing the servers.. NOT patching the game independently.
Trion did say they were only taking the positively received parts of all the patches then went into the korean version though, not sure if that's what you were referring to.
All you've explained there is that the problems do exist and they are 'trying' to catch people for it instead of removing the problems in the first place. A bot/hack detector is not a 'fix'. Hacks are the real problem, bots exist in every MMO.. but hacks do not.
Which is why the problems should be discussed and people have a right to be concerned.
I explained nothing, I simply repeated the information that the OP himself posted.
I have no opinion, merely that the data presented by both sides seems to indicate that as a customer it would be prudent to wait and see with this game.
You can be concerned about anything you like, you have a 'right' to be concerned about anything under the sun, the question here is this: Do you a rational reason to be concerned about these things?
That is the question.
You are dealing in absolutes, and absolutes are absolutely incorrect. "Bots exist in every mmo but hacks do not" based off what? Sorry but this is pure conjecture.
Based off the fact I can use autohotkey to automate any MMO I please and any time I please. You name the game and I can automate it.. anyone can and there's no way developers can stop it, ever. Games need an input and all inputs can be automated in some way. Want to get crazy? I could study advanced robotics and build a physical robot hand to automate my gameplay if I really wanted to. Hacking the server and altering serverside information though? Practically impossible in most MMOs. Stop trying to sound intelligent.. cos it really isn't working.
I'm concerned because these problems can have a direct effect on the games popularity which can affect population and on going support. They can also affect the economy and the type of people playing. I only have a little experience with AA but bots in ESO are currently causing progress blocks, so I suppose that's a possibility... don't know. Hacks will totally unbalance any PvP, that's a good enough reason by itself.
And stop wasting time arguing semantics.. totally pointless and just makes you look like an ass.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
And i think you do not know what a developer and a publisher is- One invents- the other sells. Big difference. Maybe you should get some information befoe you start insulting people again.
Yes, and if you have been following ArcheAge you would know Trion is not just publishing they are also customizing their version of ArcheAge for the North American release.
Its called marketing. Besides Trion is paying for a LICENSE-they do not OWN the game. What you think to belive is what you should belive- but the truth is- your being brainwashed by cheap marketing tactics- the same ppl let you belive its ok to pay 150 dollar for a f2p game before testing youself or knowing what will await you when you swith to f2p.
Eh, in regards to the OP I'd just sit back, relax, and see how things work out. I've heard a lot of things about ArcheAge, but disgruntled "hacked" individuals are definitely not one of them.
Originally posted by Burntvet Anyone stupid enough to pay $150 for an alpha, deserves what they get.
Oh so now anyone that spent 150$ is stupid?
For an alpha, yes they are.
Me? I am a guy that has been playing MMOs long enough to see almost every possible permutation of F2P game scam tactics, and that is what we have here.
$150 for beta access to a game that is going to be F2P? Why not pay for a "lifetime sub" while you are at it.
I'd say people were not that gullible, but they obviously are.
You need to take everything the $150 give you at the end, and not only the alpha access.
Not if you do not care about everything else, like many do not seem to care. For them it is $150 for alpha access.
For me, this deal is the final proof that Trion as a company does not care.
Originally posted by Burntvet Anyone stupid enough to pay $150 for an alpha, deserves what they get.
Oh so now anyone that spent 150$ is stupid?
For an alpha, yes they are.
Me? I am a guy that has been playing MMOs long enough to see almost every possible permutation of F2P game scam tactics, and that is what we have here.
$150 for beta access to a game that is going to be F2P? Why not pay for a "lifetime sub" while you are at it.
I'd say people were not that gullible, but they obviously are.
You need to take everything the $150 give you at the end, and not only the alpha access.
Not if you do not care about everything else, like most do not seem to care. For them it is $150 for alpha access.
For me, this deal is the final proof for me that Trion as a company does not care.
As long as Trion keep not caring what you think ... then that's even better for the rest of us.
I'm sure there are more noobs or 13y kids who don't know how to play and to feel good about themselfs have to call someone a cheater or hacker, this happens in many fps I played.
And in AA I was flagged as using unautorized programs but I wasn't so there are many false flags aswell.
I also haven't seen anyone doing anything similar, for example mining you actual have to compete with other players for the resources you can mine and I haven't found anyone that appeared AFK with a macro.
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Originally posted by Burntvet Anyone stupid enough to pay $150 for an alpha, deserves what they get.
Oh so now anyone that spent 150$ is stupid?
For an alpha, yes they are.
Me? I am a guy that has been playing MMOs long enough to see almost every possible permutation of F2P game scam tactics, and that is what we have here.
$150 for beta access to a game that is going to be F2P? Why not pay for a "lifetime sub" while you are at it.
I'd say people were not that gullible, but they obviously are.
You need to take everything the $150 give you at the end, and not only the alpha access.
Not if you do not care about everything else, like many do not seem to care. For them it is $150 for alpha access.
For me, this deal is the final proof that Trion as a company does not care.
How do you know that? I would not have payed $150 for alpha access only for sure.....
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Well, a certain "other game" is getting some serious heat for how awful it is and the crusaders have chosen AA as their ritual sacrifice to appease the gods and make them feel better.
omg, stop insulting me. I neve said in any of my post im against AA. I only said i do not support shabby business like Trion is doing or any other company will do in future. I can afford AA easy since i live in a rich country in middle of europe..figure it out wich one that is! Its just my personal opinion.
And i think you do not know what a developer and a publisher is- One invents- the other sells. Big difference. Maybe you should get some information befoe you start insulting people again.
I explained nothing, I simply repeated the information that the OP himself posted.
I have no opinion, merely that the data presented by both sides seems to indicate that as a customer it would be prudent to wait and see with this game.
You can be concerned about anything you like, you have a 'right' to be concerned about anything under the sun, the question here is this: Do you a rational reason to be concerned about these things?
That is the question.
You are dealing in absolutes, and absolutes are absolutely incorrect. "Bots exist in every mmo but hacks do not" based off what? Sorry but this is pure conjecture.
Yes, and if you have been following ArcheAge you would know Trion is not just publishing they are also customizing their version of ArcheAge for the North American release.
It would be me to have started that discussion on the AA forums (guess you mean the quarry bot thread?). So far I'm not 100% certain they were bots, but some admitted to use macros on Logitech G1x keyboards. I've also seen a lots of macros/pressed keys to level mounts (donkeys mostly). But at least the 'report suspected bot' skill is working. With 5 of those they're gone from the spot and if we legit players use them on bots nothing's wrong I'd say...
About hack protection... I'm used to that from the Lineage II times. Most of them are more an annoyance for legit players than they are for bots/cheaters. I've learned to live with it by now. Aside from learning to live with it, I have faith in TRION to keep the botters/cheaters at bay. Will be a daunting task for them though with an Asian grinder ;-)
Its called marketing. Besides Trion is paying for a LICENSE-they do not OWN the game. What you think to belive is what you should belive- but the truth is- your being brainwashed by cheap marketing tactics- the same ppl let you belive its ok to pay 150 dollar for a f2p game before testing youself or knowing what will await you when you swith to f2p.
Lol hack or not i spent 150 on the game and it's honestly one of the better mmo's i've ever played. So even if the hacks or bots do come i can say i enjoyed something for xx of time if it couldn't be stopped.
As for the ESO hate, i played it for 20 minutes then uninstalled because it was boring.
The difference between ESO and AA is that when you start the game there's a certain feel for wanting to see and learn more. AA has that, ESO doesn't. I don't know about ESO's current state but i was interested in staying to see it which says enough.
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Its about Archeage being easily hackable because parts of the game are handled client side and not server side.
Yes, every MMO is going to have bots but not every MMO is going to have level 2 characters running around 1 shotting mobs because the person hacked the paramaters of the skills he's using.
Also, what about people being able to spawn mobs at will? Does every MMO have that?
No?!
What a shock.
First of all name me ONE MMORPG that doesn't have bugs. Alpha. Beta. Release. Post content. whatever. So saying that a game has bugs is kind of moot given its how the system works.
Second which version are you actually playing right now if you are playing at all? You make a lot of comments but have no data to back it up so your credibility is low.
I'll give you mine. I'm in the NA Alpha. I've been playing for two weeks. the only bugs I've seen where the characters facets fading in an out or dissappearing all together. I haven't seen any bots (that I could recognize) but I'm only in the starter zone. I bought ESO. The first dungeon I was in I saw a bunch of bots named sssrtgz, sssrtgy, sssrtx all standing around a quest mob and killing it instantly when it spawns.
So tell me where these bots are (and I'm not saying there are NO bots) - but saying you are not giving enough detail of where these bots are and in which version of the game you are playing. They could be different.
As it is right now, your just causing churn.
Thanks for derailing the thread and for.. talking rubbish. Trion have already proven they know how to do FTP right, until they prove otherwise you're just wasting that finger typing energy.
150$ for alpha and headstart and 3 months sub and random in game stuff. 50 dollars for beta and 1 month sub and random in game stuff.
Honestly it was ment for the people who seriously plan on investing time into this game, and so far it's working out well for trion and the fanbase.
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The game is not in Alpha.. when are people going to realise that this game is already released in two other regions? It's the SAME game. The only thing they are doing in alpha is localization and optimizing the servers.. NOT patching the game independently.
Trion did say they were only taking the positively received parts of all the patches then went into the korean version though, not sure if that's what you were referring to.
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Based off the fact I can use autohotkey to automate any MMO I please and any time I please. You name the game and I can automate it.. anyone can and there's no way developers can stop it, ever. Games need an input and all inputs can be automated in some way. Want to get crazy? I could study advanced robotics and build a physical robot hand to automate my gameplay if I really wanted to. Hacking the server and altering serverside information though? Practically impossible in most MMOs. Stop trying to sound intelligent.. cos it really isn't working.
I'm concerned because these problems can have a direct effect on the games popularity which can affect population and on going support. They can also affect the economy and the type of people playing. I only have a little experience with AA but bots in ESO are currently causing progress blocks, so I suppose that's a possibility... don't know. Hacks will totally unbalance any PvP, that's a good enough reason by itself.
And stop wasting time arguing semantics.. totally pointless and just makes you look like an ass.
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Not if you do not care about everything else, like many do not seem to care. For them it is $150 for alpha access.
For me, this deal is the final proof that Trion as a company does not care.
It takes one to know one.
As long as Trion keep not caring what you think ... then that's even better for the rest of us.
Not funny.
It takes one to know one.
I'm sure there are more noobs or 13y kids who don't know how to play and to feel good about themselfs have to call someone a cheater or hacker, this happens in many fps I played.
And in AA I was flagged as using unautorized programs but I wasn't so there are many false flags aswell.
I also haven't seen anyone doing anything similar, for example mining you actual have to compete with other players for the resources you can mine and I haven't found anyone that appeared AFK with a macro.
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How do you know that? I would not have payed $150 for alpha access only for sure.....