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LOL, I used to know this guy who thought the world was 3000 years old.
When I asked him how fossils ended up underground, he said with a straight face "God put them there to test our faith".
These people have all their bases covered!
I will pray for you firemagic, I hope that you come to know the Messiah before you face him on judgement day. I am through trying to convince you as you are obviously unwilling to discuss this honestly.
OK, but bear in mind that when you "pray" for me, you are in actuality talking to yourself. This is widely regarded as the first sign of madness.
And thanks for the laughable words of doomfilled prophecy. Good luck with the whole "living forever after you die" thing.
Looks as if you get off on shooting down people's believe systems... frankly just because you believe something doesn't mean you have to go shoving it in everybodies face!! How very christian-like hehe.
Don't get me wrong - I think the whole organized religion thing is a bit... dated BUT, it still works. Basically organized religion keeps the ignorant people of the world or as I like to call them "the sheep" from worrying about what happens when they die. Factually your body takes a dirtnap untill it decomposes and basically would become plant food BUT, because of ignorance and vanity we still burry our dead in lil tombs like everyone is their own little emperor of their own little worlds.
anyway I'm gonna get myself into a tangent ... basically you don't know shit, neither does the poster you responded to... his mama... or anyone else, as I stated before - even though you think you deserve to be on your lil pedistal for shooting down the non logical - actually you are just showing your own huge ignorance. Simple fact is, you have no clue if there is a God, God's or whatever - so by you shooting down that posibility you have shown your own ignorance.
Even though I agree with many of your posts because I'm logic minded and intelligent (even though I don't spell very well) - I still think that you need to be knocked down a few pegs - you're no better than any of these fellows believing in whatever strange invisible all knowing, all see'n, never makes a mistake, all powerful, all perfect being that loves you , yet will send you to hell (whatever that is) for not believing in him... hrmm where was I going with that?
So in summation yes, ignorance is bliss. (hence organized religion)
yes, you are all gonna DIE!!!
These are the facts... all the rest is just guesswork...
You are living a lie, and also seem to be suffering from some form of psychosis.
Good luck with your mental illness.
Yep. Exactly as I said. Thanks for agreeing.
I don't know why people feel compelled to prove the existence of God, there's a reason it's called faith. I wouldn't call my belief that my wife loves me a fairy tale just becuase I can't quantify it. I have faith that she does, just as I have faith in my God.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Power Mongers?? Your really sound like a child when you say that. How were they power mongers? When Jesus went walking around he did say "read my book that is going to come out sometime in the near futur or burn." People are not forced to believe in God. Bibles are free, and if you want to believe then go ahead.
My point was that there is no god. These religions were created to control people.
-Let's all be ignorant!
Good luck with your mental illness.
Backed into a corner and you result to an argumentum ad hominem...tsk tsk. That's no way to "debate".
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
And you speak Hebrew/Aramaic? Ho do you know that the context of that passage does not indicate size?
I also do not understand why it is so important that the Bible does notm ention dinosaurs, it isn't a wildlife guide.
I do not think these forums are the best place for me to go posting essays, but I can provide you with such if you would like.
No I don't speak Hebrew, nor do I speak Aramaic (which I would hardly believe if you said you did since only a handful of people in the world can). I know people who speak it (hebrew), I have read books, published essays, etc., that claim the exact opposite than you do, and they are written by noted "religious scholars". And I am not talking about providing essays that you write just to write, I am talking about essays that have been published. Provide the magazine, title of story, page number, etc.
I never made the claim that I have been published, I am not an author.
I can provide you with articles that agree with my point. However, that is not the issue. Being able to produce articles or people who agree with your opinion does not make you correct. Understanding the material and researching it yourself is the only way to ensure that you are not following falsehoods.
You also must understand, since you have read so much on the subject, that the proponents of behemoth not being a dinosaur reject the idea out of hand because of evolutionary supposition that man was not coexistant with dinosaurs.
Biblical Aramaic is very similar to Biblical Hebrew (similar to the relationship of Spanish and Italian, for example), they even use the same alphabet. It is not much of a stretch to go from knowing Hebrew to Aramaic.
Linux is free.....if your time costs nothing.
Argumentum ad hominem is insulting someone when you don't have an argument.
I gave my argument which was that you have no evidence to back up your belief system, which you continually confirm with every post, and I've now concluded that arguing with you is pointless because you seem to have a mental illness which causes you to think that certain humans see the world differently to how other humans see it, giving you some kind of special ability to see proof of gods existence.
It's not an insult. It's an observation.
I honestly wish you the very best for the future and I hope your mental health doesn't continue to decline.
I don't know why people feel compelled to prove the existence of God, there's a reason it's called faith. I wouldn't call my belief that my wife loves me a fairy tale just becuase I can't quantify it. I have faith that she does, just as I have faith in my God.
Nobody feels compelled to prove the existence of a god at all. Religious people insist that their people never question their faith (because they're aware that doing so would shatter it) and non-religious people don't try to prove the existence of god because they don't buy into such nonsense in the first place.
Also, love is yet another abstract concept which falls outside the relevance of this discussion.
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
1st one on page 43?
edit: nooo! denied! Where's my g/God now? T.T WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN MEEEEEEeeee...?
I'm not helping this debate at all am I?
Guild Wars is still an MMO.
Lol, again with the abstract idea excuse.
Another incorrect generalization. I and many others encourage discussion on faith. Doing so leads to a more mature understanding. For example, all these claims that faith is based on fear.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Wrong. Love is an abstract concept. It exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly in certain other species.
Faith in something that has no evidence is blind faith, and is meaningless.
http://www.jesusdance.org/
Guild Wars is still an MMO.
Prove it
Linux is free.....if your time costs nothing.
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Prove it
Well if I ever see love anywhere else, I'll let you know. Until then we can conclude that love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other species, as I said.
How would you define love, if differently?
Prove it
Well if I ever see love anywhere else, I'll let you know. Until then we can conclude that love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals.
Prove that it exists in the minds of humans
Linux is free.....if your time costs nothing.
I never said you made the claim, but I would only read published material that has been met with public scutiny (good or bad). And you're right, researching it is the only way to ensure our beliefs. Our research has led us into believing different ideals. Are you right? Am I right? I guess we will never know until we die (unless atheists are right and we just become worm food). However, this proves a major point towards those who believe in religion and those who do not. You claim that you are right and I am wrong because, according to your faith, it cannot be otherwise.
However, agnostics and even atheists alike tend to look at other possiblities. There could be a good chance you're right, there could be a good chance I am, but compeletely disregarding and disrespecting someone else's opionion just because it contradicts yours is just plain rude. I know there are more than likely muslims on this board, but most are fearful to speak out. I would love for one to come on and speak of how Islam is the only "true" religion and the others are false. Then we will truley see how disgusting christians can become.
I remember one church I went to, the pastor referred to anyone who is not a christian as a hethen. That day there was someone from China, who was a Buddist, in the church as a guest. When he tried to speak to the pastor about his religion, the pastor told him that his religion was evil, that he followed the devil, and that if he continues his path he will in turn be evil as well.
I would like to end with a question for every person who believes in a god. Do you believe in moral relativism? Please answer honestly and without relation to religion.
Have I done that?
Most definitely not. Absolute truth exists and absolute morality also exists.
Linux is free.....if your time costs nothing.
Prove it
Well if I ever see love anywhere else, I'll let you know. Until then we can conclude that love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals.
Prove that it exists in the minds of humans
OK. You ready for this......? Here goes. Pay attention now.......
1. Humans talk of experiencing an emotion they call "love".
2. Love has only ever been expressed as an emotion.
3. Love has never been experienced other than as an emotion.
4. Therefore, love exists solely in the minds of humans and possibly other animals that feel emotions.
Are there any lengths you won't go to to steer the conversation away from the fact that you have no proof that god exists and that you're living a lie?
Do you believe governments that tax it's citizens are evil, regardless if the taxes are used to support the common good?
I don't support my church out of fear or want for salvation. Generalizations are often incorrect.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
To claim eternal hell for not paying your taxes is rather mean isnt it?
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
I gave my argument which was that you have no evidence to back up your belief system, which you continually confirm with every post, and I've now concluded that arguing with you is pointless because you seem to have a mental illness which causes you to think that certain humans see the world differently to how other humans see it, giving you some kind of special ability to see proof of gods existence.
It's not an insult. It's an observation.
I honestly wish you the very best for the future and I hope your mental health doesn't continue to decline.
Your inflicted with amnesia too? tsk tsk...
Here...I'll help you out. No. Your original argument was that God did not exist. Lacking any other material for your claims other then your own personal belief. You then go on a rant about how people who believe in God are delusional, mentally insane, etc.(Adding to the argumentum ad hominems in the process) you then continue to lack any resources to back up your original claims. So to escape your your predicament, you then start saying lack of proof, is proof, which would make you relatively non-existant.
Then when your backed into a corner, you attack me as saying I have a mental illness, so as to discredit what I say, instead of attacking the argument itself. That is an ad hominem. Look it up if you doubt so.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Not when the devil is the IRS.