Funnily enough I actually liked the combat but my brother prefers wildstar so we moved over. He's a healer and describes his role in eso as "pot luck".
I'd take TERA and Gw2's combat any second of the year compared to TESO. Yeah yeah Gw2 is tab based and TERA is reticle based, just like TESO. What most of you probably don't know is that Gw2 attacks work without targets and if the combat mechanics are properly used, you become awesome. At least for the more streamlined classes/builds
I wonder how many of you saying that Gw2 has a bad combat and "still login every now and then" have actually reached and defeated Liadri on their own without reading any "HOWTO" guide What about soloing Lupicus in purely melee or purely ranged? What about soloing the bosses from the halloween events? Since all of you are such great players and skilled MMOers why don't you accomplish that before granting us your opinion?
And I don't consider myself elite. Imagine what the Gw2's elite is achieving. And you come here and claim that TESO has a great combat based on player skill. Pf...I take my words back, I'd prefer playing Neverwinter...
And do not make excuses of the kind that this is close to skyrim's combat, just freaking no. Accept the fact that Matt Firor and Co has failed and let you down, like so many of us. Maybe they'll fix it when you finally acknowledge that it's a static turd
Why do I have to take your opinions over mine? Accept that what you think or feel about something is just your opinion and move on. TESO combat is easily the best of the series
But then I see you are a 'fanboy' of a dying game....
If Gw2 is a dying game TESO is dead and burried xD And I acknowledge the fact that you need to "defend" a product you pay monthly. I suppose its the same thing as if you go to watch a shitty movie at the cinema, pay extra for 3D and/or 3D glasses and it ends up a crap and you tell all your friends that its the best movie ever. Tell me, did you like Avatar? xD Do you consider it the best movie ever made?
Mate don't project your issues on other people, you know, there is even normal adults on these boards
ESO has the most innovative and visceral combat on the market, action combat. The non skill combat system is what sets ESO apart from WoW, GW2, and WS.
The ability to change what is an auto attack in the games above into a player controlled system is brilliant. The player is in charge of how hard he swings, how fast he swings, when he swings, and the direction of the swing. Couple that with being able to block incoming attacks, interrupt and even stun W/O ever using a skill on your skill bar is ground breaking. The blood, the impact, the creativity has left me saying HELL YEAH many a night. I even once heard someone yelling "WARGASIM" after a huge 100 v 100 push, and I knew what he meant.
The flip side is that there is a steep learning curve. 2 months in with countless hours played and with all my past mmorpg experience, I feel that I have just began to approach the skill cap of my class. Combat in ESO is harsh and challenging. It's enough to keep me, a sandbox pvpr interested in this quest centric thempark mmorpg.
The Combat, The skill system and Cyrodiil are worth the price of admission. If you love pvp like I do, and have not played, you are missing the party of the year.
Ahhh personal opinions...one can say anything and get away with it.
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I'd say ESO's combat is not quite as visceral or responsive as, say, Darkfall or Mortal Online, both of which have fully action-based combat. But it's a damn sight better than GW2, Tera or Wildstar, that's for sure.
So it may not be the best, but certainly it's the best of all the AAA theme park games' combat systems.
It is astonishing how many posters who have replied here have not addressed the issue of TESOs combat, or gone
A lot of people in this thread never played the game. You can't address the OP if you have not played. On top of that, it is the most innovative and visceral combat on the market. It's hard to have visceral combat with cartoon characters and no blood. Most of the mmorpgs on the market are just that., cartoony and teen rated.
I've never played AoC but from videos, it seem it could have a claim to the most visceral combat aswell.
I'd say ESO's combat is not quite as visceral or responsive as, say, Darkfall or Mortal Online, both of which have fully action-based combat. But it's a damn sight better than GW2, Tera or Wildstar, that's for sure.
So it may not be the best, but certainly it's the best of all the AAA theme park games' combat systems.
If it wasn't for Wushu, I would have been playing DF:UW. I want to give it a shot at some point. I tried Mortal a few years back, but tech issues prevented me from playing for longer than a week. There was something compeling about it though.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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ESO has the most innovative and visceral combat on the market, action combat. The non skill combat system is what sets ESO apart from WoW, GW2, and WS.
The ability to change what is an auto attack in the games above into a player controlled system is brilliant. The player is in charge of how hard he swings, how fast he swings, when he swings, and the direction of the swing. Couple that with being able to block incoming attacks, interrupt and even stun W/O ever using a skill on your skill bar is ground breaking. The blood, the impact, the creativity has left me saying HELL YEAH many a night. I even once heard someone yelling "WARGASIM" after a huge 100 v 100 push, and I knew what he meant.
The flip side is that there is a steep learning curve. 2 months in with countless hours played and with all my past mmorpg experience, I feel that I have just began to approach the skill cap of my class. Combat in ESO is harsh and challenging. It's enough to keep me, a sandbox pvpr interested in this quest centric thempark mmorpg.
The Combat, The skill system and Cyrodiil are worth the price of admission. If you love pvp like I do, and have not played, you are missing the party of the year.
I thought you were just a overreacting fanboy forum protector but it appears you are also blind...
If you are not blind, I want to know what drugs are you taking and can I have some xD
Whats your favorite mmo
Just the best MMO on the market today. I see you act as a hotshot 'round here, maybe you can show me your hotshotness and skillful play in it?
P.S: I like how WildStar is bleeding your favorite MMO's subs. Fun times. When TESO goes finally F2P I'll drop you a message to show you a thing or two about how your reticle doesn't matter the least.
If giving my opinion means im a hotshot than so be it. Your foolish if you think Wildstar wont be eventually losing subs in a month or two when everyones already done with the content just like every mmo. And please how many subs is it bleeding from ESO please give me a actual number, because a couple of threads is made about it and everyone thinks (as always) ESO is losing literally everyone to wildstar. Typical hate comments, please be a little more original.
Guess what, around this time last year people exactly like you were spouting their hate on Final Fantasy XIV as well predicting the usual F2P crap and now look at the game, flourishing more than ever in the genre. And that game started out far worse tham majority of mmos.
ESO has the most innovative and visceral combat on the market, action combat. The non skill combat system is what sets ESO apart from WoW, GW2, and WS.
The ability to change what is an auto attack in the games above into a player controlled system is brilliant. The player is in charge of how hard he swings, how fast he swings, when he swings, and the direction of the swing. Couple that with being able to block incoming attacks, interrupt and even stun W/O ever using a skill on your skill bar is ground breaking. The blood, the impact, the creativity has left me saying HELL YEAH many a night. I even once heard someone yelling "WARGASIM" after a huge 100 v 100 push, and I knew what he meant.
The flip side is that there is a steep learning curve. 2 months in with countless hours played and with all my past mmorpg experience, I feel that I have just began to approach the skill cap of my class. Combat in ESO is harsh and challenging. It's enough to keep me, a sandbox pvpr interested in this quest centric thempark mmorpg.
The Combat, The skill system and Cyrodiil are worth the price of admission. If you love pvp like I do, and have not played, you are missing the party of the year.
I thought you were just a overreacting fanboy forum protector but it appears you are also blind...
If you are not blind, I want to know what drugs are you taking and can I have some xD
Whats your favorite mmo
Just the best MMO on the market today. I see you act as a hotshot 'round here, maybe you can show me your hotshotness and skillful play in it?
P.S: I like how WildStar is bleeding your favorite MMO's subs. Fun times. When TESO goes finally F2P I'll drop you a message to show you a thing or two about how your reticle doesn't matter the least.
If giving my opinion means im a hotshot than so be it. Your foolish if you think Wildstar wont be eventually losing subs in a month or two when everyones already done with the content just like every mmo. And please how many subs is it bleeding from ESO please give me a actual number, because a couple of threads is made about it and everyone thinks (as always) ESO is losing literally everyone to wildstar. Typical hate comments, please be a little more original.
Guess what, around this time last year people exactly like you were spouting their hate on Final Fantasy XIV as well predicting the usual F2P crap and now look at the game, flourishing more than ever in the genre. And that game started out far worse tham majority of mmos.
Oh and you seem like a really cool person talking all that crap and sarcasm to that other persons comment for giving his opinion. You dont seem to do anything other than be negative towards someone and say hateful opinions just for the sake of argument to make your self feel some kind of false sense of superiority.
I actually agree with bully on this one, even though we disagreed quite a while back on Age of Wushu. ESO has the best action combat to date, and I have played the 4 most popular action combat games.
1. ESO
2. TERA
3. GW2
4. WS
As much as I love WS, it has a long way to go for combat fluidity.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV Have played: You name it If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Just the best MMO on the market today. I see you act as a hotshot 'round here, maybe you can show me your hotshotness and skillful play in it?
P.S: I like how WildStar is bleeding your favorite MMO's subs. Fun times. When TESO goes finally F2P I'll drop you a message to show you a thing or two about how your reticle doesn't matter the least.
IF Wildstar is bleeding ESO subs I can see why. The game is a lot easier to get into, especially the combat.
Just the best MMO on the market today. I see you act as a hotshot 'round here, maybe you can show me your hotshotness and skillful play in it?
P.S: I like how WildStar is bleeding your favorite MMO's subs. Fun times. When TESO goes finally F2P I'll drop you a message to show you a thing or two about how your reticle doesn't matter the least.
IF Wildstar is bleeding ESO subs I can see why. The game is a lot easier to get into, especially the combat.
same reason why WoW keeps getting subs and sustaining their subs, because blizzard keeps making the game easier and easier overall.
I had problems with ESO combat I even posted about the headaches I was getting . That was one of the other reasons I ended up not buying the game. I did not have that issue with Tera and I found the combat in Tera better.
I must admit the GW2 auto target is probably the worst i have ever seen in any game.
But there is absolutely nothing in ESO that is appealing. I MIGHT try it if it were free, but they are crazy if they think i will buy this THEN sub, or even buy it with no sub. ok i would consider $20 with no sub.
I havent played WoW for a year, GW2 is tired, dont do Wildstar sub, Skyrim, Rift, ESO or SW:TOR. But I just bought Alpha Centauri for $5; I'll get more out of that then I will anything out right now. Sad.
First you say that in ESO there is absolutly nothing that is appealing
Then you say that for $20 without sub you would consider it !!
Either you lie, exaggerate , or you simply didn't Think this post trough at all :
There must be something appealing about it since you are willing to pay $20 without a sub
What would be a game that is Worth paying $60 in your book ?
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This game has been one of the most value for my money in a VERY long time, I have soon reached the 3 month mark in ESO and I have barly scratched on the Surface of all the content that it has..
I also have also bought several games in the past that only lasted me 10 hours or less, not that much time, yet some great games and still great Entertainment and yet still rather cheap compared to a few beers and a Movie !!
It is astonishing how many posters who have replied here have not addressed the issue of TESOs combat, or gone on to tell us what MMO has better combat.
Instead they saw the word 'best' in the thread and just came on for another negative rant.
A few have mentioned some games which had better combat, my favourite was 'Mount and Blade', it is not even a MMO!
So I throw down the gauntlet what MMO has a better combat system? I am a fan of TERA myself and put it on a par with TESO. Apart from that I don't think you can match TESO for combat.
It's likely because the statement is so ridiculous. The clunk is fairly amazing with this one. Balance is awful. Skills don't respond sometimes. Switching weapons doesn't respond sometimes. It's an example of below average MMORPG combat, not the combat that will move the genre forward. The assertion that it's the best on the market is so ridiculous that many people just prefer not to even post in it since it's more interesting to see what happens with it. The claims are so ludicrous and more importantly biased that it's almost more interesting to see how it develops.
It's like watching someone claim Chica's Chicken and Waffles has the best chicken ever in the history of chicken that it will change the way chicken is done forever. Laughable is an understatement in that case.
Yeah very good example of what Scot meant.
As for the combat in ESO, I like it, but to be honost combat in a MMORPG was never my main atraction, I play other game genre's if I want to be amazed with combat.
Think many of you complainers never touched a ES game, I mean you guy's would pull your hair out of your head due to all the bugs those games had when released. Still on of my favorite game series, think it has to do with being an actuall experianced gamer.
The original Darkfall Online had THE BEST combat of any MMO. Ever.
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The main flaw of DFO melee combat was that it was shallow, you only had to time your swing and predict your target, there was no further interaction taking place. Otherwise, DFO had the most intense combat, whether in PvP or just fighing your first goblin scout as a newb.
Just a normal tab-targetting game but with an aim on top of it. You're still punching a sandbag that will attack you at the same time like there's no recoil unless you use a skill with an effect.
(skipped the video to the relevant part). Much more action-oriented combat, closer to hack'n slash. There is an option (can be turned off) to help in targetting (your character will attack in the direction of a monster), but it's not necessary and is best without it. The enemies will recoil when you hit, saves for the tanky armored ones who can take more punishment. The environment can be used to your advantage as well, and both normal monsters and bosses can be interacted with in multiples ways (grabs, certain classes can stop a boss's attack to some extent, break-offs, etc).
These last 2 games came out years before TESO, so in no way is TESO anything close to ground-breaking. The game is walking on a road that's already been paved.
The original Darkfall Online had THE BEST combat of any MMO. Ever.
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Best yet, and the thread is nowhere near done :P
The main flaw of DFO melee combat was that it was shallow, you only had to time your swing and predict your target, there was no further interaction taking place. Otherwise, DFO had the most intense combat, whether in PvP or just fighing your first goblin scout as a newb.
I would actually argue that DFO's main flaw was the +40% damage done to someone's back. It turned melee fights into figure-eight sprint-fests to see who could get the back hits in the most. Quite sad really.
Although what you mention is a flaw, it was only a flaw until you started to gain more and more abilities, IMO.
And that's it folks and that's why we have different mmo's for different players.
Always someone saying their mmo is better than the one were playing.
Keeping it short and simple, is your mmo part of a niche crowd or is it part of the majority crowd, honestly who cares except the one playing it and were all entitled to our own opinion, especially when it comes to a website forum.
I honestly think DAoC combat was by far the best PvP I have ever played in it early years (as well of its time), but even then players cried Zerg as well and you need no type a strategy, just get a bard/minstrel/skald and a group of players to mow the enemies down.
To me teso has more of a real action swings (melee), vs Vindictus/Blade and Soul arcade rockem sockem speed style battles as I see. Again to me tera, vindictus and teso seem like a close comparison, however when putting against games like swtor, wildstar, wow and eq 2 are just totally different styles of combat play.
But to me, teso still feels real when it comes to the kicking a players or npc ass in the game, not simply a target to mow down X number of.
I am not sure where I am at from a combat system standpoint. I'm guilty of saying that I find Neverwinter Online's combat system to be my favorite system so far. Its so smooth and fun, I find myself doing a lot of end game stuff just for the experience. The combat system is so addicting it made me realize I don't actually care about crafting or exploring empty zones. If ESO combat system can deliver that type of satisfaction then hell yeah count me in. I don't mind a sub
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LOL. No.
OP doesn't play very many games.
Mate don't project your issues on other people, you know, there is even normal adults on these boards
Ahhh personal opinions...one can say anything and get away with it.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
I'd say ESO's combat is not quite as visceral or responsive as, say, Darkfall or Mortal Online, both of which have fully action-based combat. But it's a damn sight better than GW2, Tera or Wildstar, that's for sure.
So it may not be the best, but certainly it's the best of all the AAA theme park games' combat systems.
A lot of people in this thread never played the game. You can't address the OP if you have not played. On top of that, it is the most innovative and visceral combat on the market. It's hard to have visceral combat with cartoon characters and no blood. Most of the mmorpgs on the market are just that., cartoony and teen rated.
I've never played AoC but from videos, it seem it could have a claim to the most visceral combat aswell.
If it wasn't for Wushu, I would have been playing DF:UW. I want to give it a shot at some point. I tried Mortal a few years back, but tech issues prevented me from playing for longer than a week. There was something compeling about it though.
While I don't care for the combat system, I view many of the OPs positives as negatives, but there is no denying its unique design.
Personally, I'm enjoying my caster in another game that has the more traditional 3 bars full of skills, and I use almost all of them.
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If giving my opinion means im a hotshot than so be it. Your foolish if you think Wildstar wont be eventually losing subs in a month or two when everyones already done with the content just like every mmo. And please how many subs is it bleeding from ESO please give me a actual number, because a couple of threads is made about it and everyone thinks (as always) ESO is losing literally everyone to wildstar. Typical hate comments, please be a little more original.
Guess what, around this time last year people exactly like you were spouting their hate on Final Fantasy XIV as well predicting the usual F2P crap and now look at the game, flourishing more than ever in the genre. And that game started out far worse tham majority of mmos.
I actually agree with bully on this one, even though we disagreed quite a while back on Age of Wushu. ESO has the best action combat to date, and I have played the 4 most popular action combat games.
1. ESO
2. TERA
3. GW2
4. WS
As much as I love WS, it has a long way to go for combat fluidity.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
IF Wildstar is bleeding ESO subs I can see why. The game is a lot easier to get into, especially the combat.
same reason why WoW keeps getting subs and sustaining their subs, because blizzard keeps making the game easier and easier overall.
First you say that in ESO there is absolutly nothing that is appealing
Then you say that for $20 without sub you would consider it !!
Either you lie, exaggerate , or you simply didn't Think this post trough at all :
There must be something appealing about it since you are willing to pay $20 without a sub
What would be a game that is Worth paying $60 in your book ?
[mod edit]This game has been one of the most value for my money in a VERY long time, I have soon reached the 3 month mark in ESO and I have barly scratched on the Surface of all the content that it has..
I also have also bought several games in the past that only lasted me 10 hours or less, not that much time, yet some great games and still great Entertainment and yet still rather cheap compared to a few beers and a Movie !!
Yeah very good example of what Scot meant.
As for the combat in ESO, I like it, but to be honost combat in a MMORPG was never my main atraction, I play other game genre's if I want to be amazed with combat.
Think many of you complainers never touched a ES game, I mean you guy's would pull your hair out of your head due to all the bugs those games had when released. Still on of my favorite game series, think it has to do with being an actuall experianced gamer.
Best yet, and the thread is nowhere near done :P
The main flaw of DFO melee combat was that it was shallow, you only had to time your swing and predict your target, there was no further interaction taking place. Otherwise, DFO had the most intense combat, whether in PvP or just fighing your first goblin scout as a newb.
What is really worth noting is the range of opinion, and that several posters have done a good job of explaining why they like what they like.
Great thead!
I don't see how TESO's gameplay is anywhere close to being ground-breaking.
TESO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mMl27Uo7U
Just a normal tab-targetting game but with an aim on top of it. You're still punching a sandbag that will attack you at the same time like there's no recoil unless you use a skill with an effect.
TERA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHfY6hIu82o
TESO's gameplay is pretty similar to TERA in that regard...so again, nothing new from TESO.
Vindictus: http://youtu.be/aOpuXwp-zck
(skipped the video to the relevant part). Much more action-oriented combat, closer to hack'n slash. There is an option (can be turned off) to help in targetting (your character will attack in the direction of a monster), but it's not necessary and is best without it. The enemies will recoil when you hit, saves for the tanky armored ones who can take more punishment. The environment can be used to your advantage as well, and both normal monsters and bosses can be interacted with in multiples ways (grabs, certain classes can stop a boss's attack to some extent, break-offs, etc).
These last 2 games came out years before TESO, so in no way is TESO anything close to ground-breaking. The game is walking on a road that's already been paved.
I would actually argue that DFO's main flaw was the +40% damage done to someone's back. It turned melee fights into figure-eight sprint-fests to see who could get the back hits in the most. Quite sad really.
Although what you mention is a flaw, it was only a flaw until you started to gain more and more abilities, IMO.
And that's it folks and that's why we have different mmo's for different players.
Always someone saying their mmo is better than the one were playing.
Keeping it short and simple, is your mmo part of a niche crowd or is it part of the majority crowd, honestly who cares except the one playing it and were all entitled to our own opinion, especially when it comes to a website forum.
I honestly think DAoC combat was by far the best PvP I have ever played in it early years (as well of its time), but even then players cried Zerg as well and you need no type a strategy, just get a bard/minstrel/skald and a group of players to mow the enemies down.
To me teso has more of a real action swings (melee), vs Vindictus/Blade and Soul arcade rockem sockem speed style battles as I see. Again to me tera, vindictus and teso seem like a close comparison, however when putting against games like swtor, wildstar, wow and eq 2 are just totally different styles of combat play.
But to me, teso still feels real when it comes to the kicking a players or npc ass in the game, not simply a target to mow down X number of.
well i felt the same, i think they are trolling but they are serious lol
Started PC gaming in August, 2013. Games played (in order): FF14 ARR ==> Guild Wars 2 ==> Planetside 2 ==> League of Legends ==> Neverwinter (still playing)==> Back to League of Legends for a second try