So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
This board looks at P2W under a single perspective. Usually under the WoW-Context. Meaning what would be P2W in a WoW like game is how P2W is defined for all games.
XP Boosts in GW2 do not equate to P2W because getting there 1st and getting there 2nd don't have any difference as long as you get there. But in games where 2nd place = the 1st loser, then XP boosts matter.
But then players also look at GW2 and forget that the game was designed around an aesthetic appeal as a system and a mechanic. They have entirely structured methods by which you can improve the look of your gear. Spend gold on it, spend real money on it etc. The game was designed for this, yet the ability to buy the best and quite frankly, the only source of new looking gear from the Cash Shop is overlooked as P2W yet looking good in GW2 is absolutely an intended objective and it's absolutely P2W in that aspect.
When you look at what you will want to be doing in AA and how to get there, it does become P2W. Being able to grab and hold land before someone else expands your future potential to both hold and retain that land as well as acquire new lands.
Plus there is the ultimate P2W mechanic.....RMT / Gold conversion.
The problem I see in calling it pay to win is that games like this are based around group objectives more or less. Meaning any number of people on either side could be using these "advantages". It's not about individual power, it's not a solo based game at elder levels of play. One person with power will change very little, from an overall perspective.
There is no group objective that you speak of at all here bro, have you even played or got to end game? Castles are built and done with within a few days, now besides that, there isnt really any group objective. Now yes you may travel within your guild to deliver some trade packs, yes you might go fishing together, yeah you might pvp together but this is by no mean a group game as everyone seem to pretend. Just like any other game, you can either play solo or in group and most 95% of the game can be experienced completely on your own. Yes like any other game you gain major advantage from grouping, 4v1 is a good advantage, or crafting groups.........
You cant say this and that doesnt matter because you see this game as group game and therefore even one totally op individual should not matter. Let me tell you, in alpha it was completely easy to just mess with an entire group of max level players on my own. Almost every damn pvp build use stealth. I used it, wait that one went appart the group or at a good moment and owned that one, 2 or even 3 in a row... Now say if i were to be p2w on top of that, i would prolly take down their entire group one by one...
Skills plus p2w = ruining games, especially sandbox. Now a full group of skilled organised players and also p2w = End of any kind of pvp on that server. Dominating side.
I was referring to PVP more or less.. As that seems to be the major draw of endgame. PVP in and of itself is typically a guild vs guild scenario. As Geezer pointed out this can lead to problems in guild structure as well as recruitment practices. That's the biggest problem I personally see that could develop.
As for that last sentence, that can happen with or without P2W and it usually does, there's always one or two guilds that essentially rule all others, especially in Sandbox games.
I'm not really seeing where there's a power advantage offered, they have the typical advancement advantages, but those only go so far, as eventually most will catch up.
The problem I usually see when people argue P2W, seems to be applied in many of these arguments. As they really don't point out what someone wins, they just look at any convenience as winning.
I guess we'll see as the game moves forward.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shits itself: you put your opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shit itself: you put our opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
Except I wasn't talking about your opinion. I was talking about mine.
His Meme says there's no pleasing me. I just gave an anicdote as to why that is.
i am assuming those cash shop stuff are for the Free players only, right?
It would not make any sense to be a subscriber if i have to expand my inventory using the cash shop.
That's my question too. I haven't been able to find anything about searching around. Subscribers get expanded inventory, salon/character face/hair changes, etc for the sub fee, correct?
If not what's the point of having a sub?
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV Have played: You name it If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
i am assuming those cash shop stuff are for the Free players only, right?
It would not make any sense to be a subscriber if i have to expand my inventory using the cash shop.
That's my question too. I haven't been able to find anything about searching around. Subscribers get expanded inventory, salon/character face/hair changes, etc for the sub fee, correct?
If not what's the point of having a sub?
I doubt they'd be free, but I would hope they can use gold to buy them, the same should be applied for F2P users as well IMO.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I personally would like cosmetic only (like Dota2), but usually you don't see that in MMOs.. i guess they have to milk their playing players just a little bit more.
It's mostly GW2 like Cash Shop. Some Boosts(XP, Crafting, LaborPoints), Inventory Slots, Mounts(but mostly cosmetic) and cosmetic stuff. I actually don't like boosts of any kind, especially in a more sandbox game, where economy should actually matter.. but on the other side nowadays you can in almost any MMO buy stuff with real money, be it GW2(with transfer), be it EvE(with Plex trading) or whatever game.
It is not the big P2W, but the tiny P2W.. because.. yeap, when you will invest a lot of money you will get a slightly edge. (at least in comparsion to someone invested the same amount of time as you.. though in those "tiny P2W" games you could spend more time and catch up.. that is not really possible in the big P2W. But nevertheless you will be either motivated to spend a lot of time.. or instead spend money.. if you don't do anythng you will suffer in comparsion.
Too bad no one is lying to justify their hate of the game.
I have been playing the Japanese version for 4 months now and plan on continuing because they are working to get all P2W aspects out of the 1.1 patch and have something specifically for the Japanese players that cant stand P2W games.
No, japanese hate games which make them work if they want to play for free. You are allowed to believe what you want but justifying yourself, which you are, is not ok when you delve into cultural differences to try and cobble together a point. The japanese are far more ok with P2P, that's ok for them and I have no issue with P2P games but AA is a F2P hybrid as such patrons should not have a flat advantage vs free players just an ease of doing things. I've personally done the math and without any CS or patron it would take you around half a year to do what a patron does using with potions as well in two months and I really have no issue with that
1. You have no grasp what Japanese players like or not.
2. You are still going well out of your way to justify what is being done in order to make P2W OK.
Just call it what it is. I LOVE Archeage. Not the Trion/XLGame P2W version being pushed yet I can still say I love the game. Why cant you? Where does this need to twist what it is come from and why cant you just call it what it is?
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
i am assuming those cash shop stuff are for the Free players only, right?
It would not make any sense to be a subscriber if i have to expand my inventory using the cash shop.
I read multiple ppl say you do have to pay to expand your inventory as a sub. That topic alone was what started the whole cash shop complaint about this game from what I've seen. Not that it had a cash shop and not even that it was heavy but that the sub didn't void it - things were still left out of the sub price and only gained from the cash shop. They even have some sort of sub cash shop too. Someone outlined it in a link on the archeage forum, you can probably find it if you look around.
I'll be passing if that's the case. They can give me everything for my $15 a month or get no money from me. /shrug I've lost nothing, but they have lost a customer.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV Have played: You name it If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
i am assuming those cash shop stuff are for the Free players only, right?
It would not make any sense to be a subscriber if i have to expand my inventory using the cash shop.
I read multiple ppl say you do have to pay to expand your inventory as a sub. That topic alone was what started the whole cash shop complaint about this game from what I've seen. Not that it had a cash shop and not even that it was heavy but that the sub didn't void it - things were still left out of the sub price and only gained from the cash shop. They even have some sort of sub cash shop too. Someone outlined it in a link on the archeage forum, you can probably find it if you look around.
IF true that's some BS...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I personally would like cosmetic only (like Dota2), but usually you don't see that in MMOs.. i guess they have to milk their playing players just a little bit more.
It's mostly GW2 like Cash Shop. Some Boosts(XP, Crafting, LaborPoints), Inventory Slots, Mounts(but mostly cosmetic) and cosmetic stuff. I actually don't like boosts of any kind, especially in a more sandbox game, where economy should actually matter.. but on the other side nowadays you can in almost any MMO buy stuff with real money, be it GW2(with transfer), be it EvE(with Plex trading) or whatever game.
It is not the big P2W, but the tiny P2W.. because.. yeap, when you will invest a lot of money you will get a slightly edge. (at least in comparsion to someone invested the same amount of time as you.. though in those "tiny P2W" games you could spend more time and catch up.. that is not really possible in the big P2W. But nevertheless you will be either motivated to spend a lot of time.. or instead spend money.. if you don't do anythng you will suffer in comparsion.
It just feels like trickery to me. Like they would rather spend resources confusing players and obfuscating rather than spending resources simply making a kick ass game and charging more for it because it kicks ass.
I have no problem paying a lot more for an amazing game, but it has to be amazing and honestly done.
They seem to spend more money on finding ways to screw over players rather than spending that money on just making a great game and not worrying about PR.
This by the way is, is how Valve runs its business. They expliclty do not spend money on coercion instead they spend efforts in just making things good.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Originally posted by KarontenoKamii Xp boosts aren't p2w lol
Once you realize how trivial it is to level to 50, you will understand just how mistaken you are.
ArcheAge is not about hitting max level, it's not even about leveling up.
Guilds that are well organized and communicate well will rule ArcheAge - it has nothing to do with XP boosts or any items in the cash shop.
You can't buy skilled guilds in the cash shop - as thst is what wins in ArcheAge
It's not about lvl 50, it's about the mass land grab early on in the game. Who is going to win those? In fact, it's especially P2W when most players aren't yet 50.
The well organized guilds who use the CS or those who don't?
And I don't want to hear what's possible, About how there will be individual battles of well organized F2P or Patron only guilds. We all know its about big picture. And in the big picture, control of resources will be the organized guilds who spend money. That will be the rule and not the exception.
Look, I'm not "hating" on this game because I want to see it fail. I was looking forward to it, but I don't like the monetization scheme. Your Alpha experience is great because you can experience the game much closer to it's full potential. However, I'm absolutely convinced, your present experience will be vastly diminished once the CS goes live.
It will take months before things settle down - early land grab guilds will not last and will be dominated by better guilds no matter how much money they throw at the game.
In the end skill, organization, communication win.
I know MMOs are about living in a fantasy land, but you my man are taking that to an extreme... Money and power will always be the winning factor whether it be in real world or fantasy. The way this game is setup up right now caters to those who are willing to put the time (too much time) and money into.
Time will tell for this game. I hope it does well because some of the concepts are good. I for one do not see a healthy future as the game is playing out right now and I have lost confidence in Trion with the many fail changes in Rift that only encourage more people to leave the game since F2P.
So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shit itself: you put our opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
Except I wasn't talking about your opinion. I was talking about mine.
His Meme says there's no pleasing me. I just gave an anicdote as to why that is.
And that's all it is. "your opinion" Who's to say the "shit stick" im eating tastes bad TO ME. If you don't want to eat (play) the shit stick (AA) then go to another restaurant (game) that will sever you better food (gaming experience).
Even League of Legends would be a P2W according with some posts here.
No way dudes.
GW2 sells advantages. The vast majority of B2Ps or F2Ps sells advantages (Some of en sells power, like weapons and stuff). Even WOW sells advantages, and ya know, no one cares.
So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shit itself: you put our opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
Except I wasn't talking about your opinion. I was talking about mine.
His Meme says there's no pleasing me. I just gave an anicdote as to why that is.
And that's all it is. "your opinion" Who's to say the "shit stick" im eating tastes bad TO ME. If you don't want to eat (play) the shit stick (AA) then go to another restaurant (game) that will sever you better food (gaming experience).
The Meme hold true.
It's not really true though. I used to be pleased. So I know it can happen. It just isn't. And that's the way it is. So to say there's no pleasing me, Well, no, not with current offerings. But when I ask for steak and get fish and send it back and get chicken and send it back and get soup and salad after ordering steak, to say There's no pleasing me makes little sense.
Oops, this one might be Korea only right now. It could be a preview of future stuff, maybe not - I thought they said they parse out the items from different versions of the game because they all have different types of pay models.
"It's cash shop only in KR. It upgrades the wagon to have six pack storage crates and it moves faster."
Based on this forum post and the one in the comment above, with some quick math and most people to get the same quality of life in their game play versus a subscription based game will be paying well over $100.00 a month for similar features. Good luck with that.
So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shit itself: you put our opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
Except I wasn't talking about your opinion. I was talking about mine.
His Meme says there's no pleasing me. I just gave an anicdote as to why that is.
And that's all it is. "your opinion" Who's to say the "shit stick" im eating tastes bad TO ME. If you don't want to eat (play) the shit stick (AA) then go to another restaurant (game) that will sever you better food (gaming experience).
The Meme hold true.
You are using the meme incorrectly. The meme is for people there is NO SATISFYING, ever.
This entire topic is about a cash shop and the items in it and not the actual game play. I would wager that the vast majority of people that do not like the cash shop items would have been praising AA pre 1.0
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Even League of Legends would be a P2W according with some posts here.
No way dudes.
GW2 sells advantages. The vast majority of B2Ps or F2Ps sells advantages (Some of en sells power, like weapons and stuff). Even WOW sells advantages, and ya know, no one cares.
Now some trolls just come here to spread the hate and say lies and no senses.
TRION CS is good enough to me. Better that
Hold on a sec here.
You are saying that it's acceptable for other titles to sell advantages and get a pass from this community, but because AA doesn't get the same pass that what everyone is saying must be lies?
If you are calling someone a liar, you'd better be quick to point out what they said that was untrue. (You haven't done that)
Originally posted by KarontenoKamii Xp boosts aren't p2w lol
Once you realize how trivial it is to level to 50, you will understand just how mistaken you are.
ArcheAge is not about hitting max level, it's not even about leveling up.
Guilds that are well organized and communicate well will rule ArcheAge - it has nothing to do with XP boosts or any items in the cash shop.
You can't buy skilled guilds in the cash shop - as thst is what wins in ArcheAge
It's not about lvl 50, it's about the mass land grab early on in the game. Who is going to win those? In fact, it's especially P2W when most players aren't yet 50.
The well organized guilds who use the CS or those who don't?
And I don't want to hear what's possible, About how there will be individual battles of well organized F2P or Patron only guilds. We all know its about big picture. And in the big picture, control of resources will be the organized guilds who spend money. That will be the rule and not the exception.
Look, I'm not "hating" on this game because I want to see it fail. I was looking forward to it, but I don't like the monetization scheme. Your Alpha experience is great because you can experience the game much closer to it's full potential. However, I'm absolutely convinced, your present experience will be vastly diminished once the CS goes live.
It will take months before things settle down - early land grab guilds will not last and will be dominated by better guilds no matter how much money they throw at the game.
In the end skill, organization, communication win.
I know MMOs are about living in a fantasy land, but you my man are taking that to an extreme... Money and power will always be the winning factor whether it be in real world or fantasy. The way this game is setup up right now caters to those who are willing to put the time (too much time) and money into.
Time will tell for this game. I hope it does well because some of the concepts are good. I for one do not see a healthy future as the game is playing out right now and I have lost confidence in Trion with the many fail changes in Rift that only encourage more people to leave the game since F2P.
I believe you are living in a completely different world bro. Its a game and not real life and therefore should not be affected by how wealthy you are irl to gain any advantage over anyone. ITS STILL A GAME. If you want that kind of games, more power to you but if i go play basketball irl, i dont want to deal with a guy who bought brand new legs so he can jump 1 meters higher..... I dont want to play golf with someone who bought himself arms surgery so he can trow ten thousands yard more than i do.
These are GAMES... Remember... GAMES?
Like when you were kid and you play board game, i dont remember anyone gaining advantage at monopoly because their family were vastly more rich than others... How stupid would that be, ok maybe the kid would go mad and trow the board away because he aint getting his way as he usualy does but hey...
I am not sure how you see your games, maybe another rl investment or i dont really know but you take this way too seriously if you think people should invest thousands of dollars in order to be or stay competitve. If people need to buy gear because they dont have time to play a game, what the ******* are you doing in the game to begin with.
So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shit itself: you put our opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
Except I wasn't talking about your opinion. I was talking about mine.
His Meme says there's no pleasing me. I just gave an anicdote as to why that is.
And that's all it is. "your opinion" Who's to say the "shit stick" im eating tastes bad TO ME. If you don't want to eat (play) the shit stick (AA) then go to another restaurant (game) that will sever you better food (gaming experience).
The Meme hold true.
It's not really true though. I used to be pleased. So I know it can happen. It just isn't. And that's the way it is. So to say there's no pleasing me, Well, no, not with current offerings. But when I ask for steak and get fish and send it back and get chicken and send it back and get soup and salad after ordering steak, to say There's no pleasing me makes little sense.
I think you're reaching now. If you were to order a steak, i'm sure they will bring you a steak. Now whether its cooks right or even tastes right would be more in line with what i think you are trying to say. And if that place can't seem to cook a steak right.... for you... then you need to find someplace that can.
That was the point of the meme. That even with this cool game coming out, people still find reasons to moan and complain. If its not your thing, then move on. If it is, stick around and kill some mobs, make some friends.
Just a fyi. Im in team P2P. Always have been, always will be. I would rather pay 15 a month and have access to everything then have too micro manage my game play from the cash shop. Just putting that out there . F2P should only consist of the first 20 lvl of the game. If you want to see more, pay the 15.
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So, if someone tried to serve you shit on a stick....stick after stick after stick, and you rejected them all calling them for what they were and you keep asking them for what they used to serve back when what they served was decent, and someone says to you "There's no pleasing you" What would you think?
I was referring to PVP more or less.. As that seems to be the major draw of endgame. PVP in and of itself is typically a guild vs guild scenario. As Geezer pointed out this can lead to problems in guild structure as well as recruitment practices. That's the biggest problem I personally see that could develop.
As for that last sentence, that can happen with or without P2W and it usually does, there's always one or two guilds that essentially rule all others, especially in Sandbox games.
I'm not really seeing where there's a power advantage offered, they have the typical advancement advantages, but those only go so far, as eventually most will catch up.
The problem I usually see when people argue P2W, seems to be applied in many of these arguments. As they really don't point out what someone wins, they just look at any convenience as winning.
I guess we'll see as the game moves forward.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Here's where your comparison, pardon the pun, shits itself: you put your opinion (and those of a small group of people, one of whom has since changed it after he actually checked his facts) above reality. Continue eating shit while thinking the chocolate banana on a stick is the real one.
Except I wasn't talking about your opinion. I was talking about mine.
His Meme says there's no pleasing me. I just gave an anicdote as to why that is.
i am assuming those cash shop stuff are for the Free players only, right?
It would not make any sense to be a subscriber if i have to expand my inventory using the cash shop.
That's my question too. I haven't been able to find anything about searching around. Subscribers get expanded inventory, salon/character face/hair changes, etc for the sub fee, correct?
If not what's the point of having a sub?
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
I doubt they'd be free, but I would hope they can use gold to buy them, the same should be applied for F2P users as well IMO.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I personally would like cosmetic only (like Dota2), but usually you don't see that in MMOs.. i guess they have to milk their playing players just a little bit more.
It's mostly GW2 like Cash Shop. Some Boosts(XP, Crafting, LaborPoints), Inventory Slots, Mounts(but mostly cosmetic) and cosmetic stuff. I actually don't like boosts of any kind, especially in a more sandbox game, where economy should actually matter.. but on the other side nowadays you can in almost any MMO buy stuff with real money, be it GW2(with transfer), be it EvE(with Plex trading) or whatever game.
It is not the big P2W, but the tiny P2W.. because.. yeap, when you will invest a lot of money you will get a slightly edge. (at least in comparsion to someone invested the same amount of time as you.. though in those "tiny P2W" games you could spend more time and catch up.. that is not really possible in the big P2W. But nevertheless you will be either motivated to spend a lot of time.. or instead spend money.. if you don't do anythng you will suffer in comparsion.
1. You have no grasp what Japanese players like or not.
2. You are still going well out of your way to justify what is being done in order to make P2W OK.
Just call it what it is. I LOVE Archeage. Not the Trion/XLGame P2W version being pushed yet I can still say I love the game. Why cant you? Where does this need to twist what it is come from and why cant you just call it what it is?
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
I'll be passing if that's the case. They can give me everything for my $15 a month or get no money from me. /shrug I've lost nothing, but they have lost a customer.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
IF true that's some BS...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It just feels like trickery to me. Like they would rather spend resources confusing players and obfuscating rather than spending resources simply making a kick ass game and charging more for it because it kicks ass.
I have no problem paying a lot more for an amazing game, but it has to be amazing and honestly done.
They seem to spend more money on finding ways to screw over players rather than spending that money on just making a great game and not worrying about PR.
This by the way is, is how Valve runs its business. They expliclty do not spend money on coercion instead they spend efforts in just making things good.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I know MMOs are about living in a fantasy land, but you my man are taking that to an extreme... Money and power will always be the winning factor whether it be in real world or fantasy. The way this game is setup up right now caters to those who are willing to put the time (too much time) and money into.
Time will tell for this game. I hope it does well because some of the concepts are good. I for one do not see a healthy future as the game is playing out right now and I have lost confidence in Trion with the many fail changes in Rift that only encourage more people to leave the game since F2P.
And that's all it is. "your opinion" Who's to say the "shit stick" im eating tastes bad TO ME. If you don't want to eat (play) the shit stick (AA) then go to another restaurant (game) that will sever you better food (gaming experience).
The Meme hold true.
Even League of Legends would be a P2W according with some posts here.
No way dudes.
GW2 sells advantages. The vast majority of B2Ps or F2Ps sells advantages (Some of en sells power, like weapons and stuff). Even WOW sells advantages, and ya know, no one cares.
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TRION CS is good enough to me. Better that
It's not really true though. I used to be pleased. So I know it can happen. It just isn't. And that's the way it is. So to say there's no pleasing me, Well, no, not with current offerings. But when I ask for steak and get fish and send it back and get chicken and send it back and get soup and salad after ordering steak, to say There's no pleasing me makes little sense.
Based on this forum post and the one in the comment above, with some quick math and most people to get the same quality of life in their game play versus a subscription based game will be paying well over $100.00 a month for similar features. Good luck with that.
You are using the meme incorrectly. The meme is for people there is NO SATISFYING, ever.
This entire topic is about a cash shop and the items in it and not the actual game play. I would wager that the vast majority of people that do not like the cash shop items would have been praising AA pre 1.0
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Hold on a sec here.
You are saying that it's acceptable for other titles to sell advantages and get a pass from this community, but because AA doesn't get the same pass that what everyone is saying must be lies?
If you are calling someone a liar, you'd better be quick to point out what they said that was untrue. (You haven't done that)
I believe you are living in a completely different world bro. Its a game and not real life and therefore should not be affected by how wealthy you are irl to gain any advantage over anyone. ITS STILL A GAME. If you want that kind of games, more power to you but if i go play basketball irl, i dont want to deal with a guy who bought brand new legs so he can jump 1 meters higher..... I dont want to play golf with someone who bought himself arms surgery so he can trow ten thousands yard more than i do.
These are GAMES... Remember... GAMES?
Like when you were kid and you play board game, i dont remember anyone gaining advantage at monopoly because their family were vastly more rich than others... How stupid would that be, ok maybe the kid would go mad and trow the board away because he aint getting his way as he usualy does but hey...
I am not sure how you see your games, maybe another rl investment or i dont really know but you take this way too seriously if you think people should invest thousands of dollars in order to be or stay competitve. If people need to buy gear because they dont have time to play a game, what the ******* are you doing in the game to begin with.
I think you're reaching now. If you were to order a steak, i'm sure they will bring you a steak. Now whether its cooks right or even tastes right would be more in line with what i think you are trying to say. And if that place can't seem to cook a steak right.... for you... then you need to find someplace that can.
That was the point of the meme. That even with this cool game coming out, people still find reasons to moan and complain. If its not your thing, then move on. If it is, stick around and kill some mobs, make some friends.
Just a fyi. Im in team P2P. Always have been, always will be. I would rather pay 15 a month and have access to everything then have too micro manage my game play from the cash shop. Just putting that out there
. F2P should only consist of the first 20 lvl of the game. If you want to see more, pay the 15.