These guys are probably sitting around a table snorting coke through a hundred dollar bill laughing at all the idiots buying these "Ships". They have a couple of Full Sail art majors pumping out drawings as fast as possible for the next round of fundraising.
Let me guess. The holiday season is coming and like all game companies they want people spending more money cause that means more bonuses and fatter paychecks. Perhaps I'm wrong and all this money is going into game development and not bonuses for the holiday season. Nnnnaaaaa.....
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
lol at you guys saying the game isn't worth it etc.
The game has to get funded somehow. The more money it gets the better the quality it can get, obvious is obvious. Look at all the shit MMO's over the last several years... gamers crying the dev's don't listen to their fans.
This game is entirely influenced by the game dev's and fans. Can't say the same about many other games. If you can't feel positive about this game then you really can not feel positive about any other game, you should just quit gaming all together if all you have to say is negativity, go find another hobby or slash your wrists.
Originally posted by Octagon7711 Let me guess. The holiday season is coming and like all game companies they want people spending more money cause that means more bonuses and fatter paychecks. Perhaps I'm wrong and all this money is going into game development and not bonuses for the holiday season. Nnnnaaaaa.....
Well, yea, obviously? game dev's need paying. Like all jobs they get paid more for working through holidays and longer hours.
lol at you guys saying the game isn't worth it etc.
The game has to get funded somehow. The more money it gets the better the quality it can get, obvious is obvious. Look at all the shit MMO's over the last several years... gamers crying the dev's don't listen to their fans.
This game is entirely influenced by the game dev's and fans. Can't say the same about many other games. If you can't feel positive about this game then you really can not feel positive about any other game, you should just quit gaming all together if all you have to say is negativity, go find another hobby or slash your wrists.
Look at all those crappy MMOs with their stupidly large budgets that essentially flopped. More money sadly doesn't mean better quality although I'm sure investors wished it was that easy.
lol at you guys saying the game isn't worth it etc.
The game has to get funded somehow. The more money it gets the better the quality it can get, obvious is obvious. Look at all the shit MMO's over the last several years... gamers crying the dev's don't listen to their fans.
This game is entirely influenced by the game dev's and fans. Can't say the same about many other games. If you can't feel positive about this game then you really can not feel positive about any other game, you should just quit gaming all together if all you have to say is negativity, go find another hobby or slash your wrists.
Too logical for this forum... they get off on talking about games they know nothing about... and assume the worst, because instead of funding and being actively involved in a games developement, they lap up these s*itty mass marketed MMO's everytime... and get burned.
Exactly. NO ONE has been forced into anything with this. Its all a matter of choice. If people want to spend their money to support the game, thats their choice. Given that this is Chris Roberts, I've little doubt this is on the up and up. I'm quite looking forward to the game myself.
It's taking advantage of people with self control issues. It's legal, but it's also super shady.
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Exactly. NO ONE has been forced into anything with this. Its all a matter of choice. If people want to spend their money to support the game, thats their choice. Given that this is Chris Roberts, I've little doubt this is on the up and up. I'm quite looking forward to the game myself.
It's taking advantage of people with self control issues. It's legal, but it's also super shady.
When I was playing WoW I got the same problem, every mount that came out I had to have it, thankfully my wife put a stop on that, but it is real easy to get caught up on the next ship, the pretty ship, the awesome yatch, the wonderful ship, the one with LT1, the one with cannons, etc etc and the $ piles up at the end. And the worst part is that the game is not out yet.
lol at you guys saying the game isn't worth it etc.
The game has to get funded somehow. The more money it gets the better the quality it can get, obvious is obvious. Look at all the shit MMO's over the last several years... gamers crying the dev's don't listen to their fans.
This game is entirely influenced by the game dev's and fans. Can't say the same about many other games. If you can't feel positive about this game then you really can not feel positive about any other game, you should just quit gaming all together if all you have to say is negativity, go find another hobby or slash your wrists.
Look at all those crappy MMOs with their stupidly large budgets that essentially flopped. More money sadly doesn't mean better quality although I'm sure investors wished it was that easy.
Because all MMO designs are influenced by publishers and investor's who haven't got a clue in how to make a game. They make too many decisions. Gamers ALWAYS complain in EVERY game of how the game dev's don't listen to them in a large way. SC is totally designed by the game dev's with strong influences from its fans, literally no other MMO has ever done that.
Because all MMO designs are influenced by publishers and investor's who haven't got a clue in how to make a game. They make too many decisions. Gamers ALWAYS complain in EVERY game of how the game dev's don't listen to them in a large way. SC is totally designed by the game dev's with strong influences from its fans, literally no other MMO has ever done that.
Hmm, I think the fan interaction is just a sign of modern times. Crowd-funding development takes the social media connection even further, Elite's design discussion forum is the best example I've come across https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=36
But maybe you're right, maybe I'm just a total cynic, even as a backer I can't help but feel the most prudent thing to do is to believe that they will over-promise and under-deliver (atleast that way they might impress :-)).
I don't mind putting in a few bucks into a kickstarter but here they are really not filling me with confidence.
At best it will be a good pay2win game and at worst it is a total scam but even the best scenario ain't good enough for me.
Of course, anyone else can use their money as they see fit, it is all up to you but this game is off my list for good.
How can it be a pay2win game if a $200 pledge ship takes only a week to earn in game?
All you need to play this game is $30. They are constantly releasing new videos of in-game footage - not cinematics like most other games, and periodically releasing new test modes of the game. How can you possibly not feel confident about this game? additionally it has the backing of gamers, being built by gamers for gamers 100%, no other game ever has. Yet you have little confidence for it? if thats the case then all newer upcoming games haven't a chance in hell of being much good.
While I think this sort of pricing is simply separating fools from their cash it would be a bit more excusable at the beginning.
Selling them now when they are certainly not short of money just comes across as greed especially with the artificial scarcity crap.
FYI: They release a poll way back asking the entire community if they wanted to STOP CROWD FUNDING ... in which 70% of backers voted "No, continue crowd funding to make the game better in the long run"
Also, ship scarcity is to prevent too many people with the top-end ships early in the PU.... everyone who buys them is aware of this. granted, im sure it effects that "urge" to buy up front ... but one can argue that having no limit would get them more money in the long run.... yet that road wasn't taken.
Originally posted by bartoni33
Being a non-Kickstarter backer of this (only $130 deep, that includes a really nice hoodie) I have to admit this is getting silly, almost embarrassing. Not because of the strange reasoning that this game will never be made but because of the pure greed being shown. it's far past time to quit selling pixels for the amount that most people make in a week and make the fucking game already. I understand that this monstrosity is a stretch goal like the last ship but guess what SC, you can just put it in the game for us to earn in game with in game credits.
I still think that this game will me made someday, but I'm getting tired of seeing more ships with ever increasing "value" being sold for real cash.
All of that will be earnable with credits... this is about funding the game and increasing the overall quality... nothing less, nothing more... you cannot buy ships/weapons on release. only a limited ammount of currency.
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
And for only $1000 more, you can also have a solar system to fly it around in when the game releases in 2019. Just one though, for others you need to buy the $2000 ship with a warp drive.
Yea... stop talking nonsense, it adds nothing.
Originally posted by The.agG There is this and on the other side, there is Frontier (Elite Dangerous) who have met all deadlines till date except one and were working overtime last week (4 out of the 7 days and even till 2 AM local time) to release the big Beta 2.0 update and the following daily bug fixes. Those guys are actually working hard on their game, making the money i spent on Elite Premium Beta totally worth it.
E:D is a smaller scale project... and given the same developement time lines... the fact that its so barebones (yes it is, I also own it... while its core game is polished... it's content level even after beta 2 is no impressive.) and it won't have FPS/ground modules for another year (maybe longer..... as the wiki says) It's not that far ahead at all... considering its 1-1.5 year headstart.
I could pick apart/inform each page of this thread... but I'd be spamming way too much...
LOL you just proved your bias and that you spit out BS. The poll did no in fact ask backers if CIG should stop croudfunding, in fact the poll asked if CIG should keep showing the numbers nothing more. Here is the polll
What should we do with the crowdfunding counter after we reach our goal?
B
Have the funding counter display the amount towards the current stretch goal / feature, not the total amount once we reach $23M.
Oh and right from CR him self,
Some Citizens have asked if $21 million will mark the end of the funding campaign and the stretch goal unlocks. The answer is no: For a couple of key reasons –
I stopped reading your post after this BS as I just figured the rest of your post was filled with more inaccurate information.
Edit: There is an interesting read on how CR views his "game".
While I think this sort of pricing is simply separating fools from their cash it would be a bit more excusable at the beginning.
Selling them now when they are certainly not short of money just comes across as greed especially with the artificial scarcity crap.
FYI: They release a poll way back asking the entire community if they wanted to STOP CROWD FUNDING ... in which 70% of backers voted "No, continue crowd funding to make the game better in the long run"
Also, ship scarcity is to prevent too many people with the top-end ships early in the PU.... everyone who buys them is aware of this. granted, im sure it effects that "urge" to buy up front ... but one can argue that having no limit would get them more money in the long run.... yet that road wasn't taken.
Originally posted by bartoni33
Being a non-Kickstarter backer of this (only $130 deep, that includes a really nice hoodie) I have to admit this is getting silly, almost embarrassing. Not because of the strange reasoning that this game will never be made but because of the pure greed being shown. it's far past time to quit selling pixels for the amount that most people make in a week and make the fucking game already. I understand that this monstrosity is a stretch goal like the last ship but guess what SC, you can just put it in the game for us to earn in game with in game credits.
I still think that this game will me made someday, but I'm getting tired of seeing more ships with ever increasing "value" being sold for real cash.
All of that will be earnable with credits... this is about funding the game and increasing the overall quality... nothing less, nothing more... you cannot buy ships/weapons on release. only a limited ammount of currency.
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
And for only $1000 more, you can also have a solar system to fly it around in when the game releases in 2019. Just one though, for others you need to buy the $2000 ship with a warp drive.
Yea... stop talking nonsense, it adds nothing.
Originally posted by The.agG There is this and on the other side, there is Frontier (Elite Dangerous) who have met all deadlines till date except one and were working overtime last week (4 out of the 7 days and even till 2 AM local time) to release the big Beta 2.0 update and the following daily bug fixes. Those guys are actually working hard on their game, making the money i spent on Elite Premium Beta totally worth it.
E:D is a smaller scale project... and given the same developement time lines... the fact that its so barebones (yes it is, I also own it... while its core game is polished... it's content level even after beta 2 is no impressive.) and it won't have FPS/ground modules for another year (maybe longer..... as the wiki says) It's not that far ahead at all... considering its 1-1.5 year headstart.
I could pick apart/inform each page of this thread... but I'd be spamming way too much...
LOL you just proved your bias and that you spit out BS. The poll did no in fact ask backers if CIG should stop croudfunding, in fact the poll asked if CIG should keep showing the numbers nothing more. Here is the polll
What should we do with the crowdfunding counter after we reach our goal?
B
Have the funding counter display the amount towards the current stretch goal / feature, not the total amount once we reach $23M.
Oh and right from CR him self,
Some Citizens have asked if $21 million will mark the end of the funding campaign and the stretch goal unlocks. The answer is no: For a couple of key reasons –
I stopped reading your post after this BS as I just figured the rest of your post was filled with more inaccurate information.
Erm.... the pledge goals is the crowd funding.... that insenstive for people to continue to pledge more, that was to decide to cancel THAT aspect of it, which was REFUSED. as you can bloody well read the same material.
Game-Packages are early access packages.... the constant wave of new pledge ships/Content is still classes AS PLEDGE to get to more goals. PLEDGE-GOALs...
next minor critism of wording?
Any other nitpicks that people want to make? to try and undermine the game's "going ok" situation?
or do you just wanna throw more pointless little rocks?
While I think this sort of pricing is simply separating fools from their cash it would be a bit more excusable at the beginning.
Selling them now when they are certainly not short of money just comes across as greed especially with the artificial scarcity crap.
FYI: They release a poll way back asking the entire community if they wanted to STOP CROWD FUNDING ... in which 70% of backers voted "No, continue crowd funding to make the game better in the long run"
Also, ship scarcity is to prevent too many people with the top-end ships early in the PU.... everyone who buys them is aware of this. granted, im sure it effects that "urge" to buy up front ... but one can argue that having no limit would get them more money in the long run.... yet that road wasn't taken.
Originally posted by bartoni33
Being a non-Kickstarter backer of this (only $130 deep, that includes a really nice hoodie) I have to admit this is getting silly, almost embarrassing. Not because of the strange reasoning that this game will never be made but because of the pure greed being shown. it's far past time to quit selling pixels for the amount that most people make in a week and make the fucking game already. I understand that this monstrosity is a stretch goal like the last ship but guess what SC, you can just put it in the game for us to earn in game with in game credits.
I still think that this game will me made someday, but I'm getting tired of seeing more ships with ever increasing "value" being sold for real cash.
All of that will be earnable with credits... this is about funding the game and increasing the overall quality... nothing less, nothing more... you cannot buy ships/weapons on release. only a limited ammount of currency.
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
And for only $1000 more, you can also have a solar system to fly it around in when the game releases in 2019. Just one though, for others you need to buy the $2000 ship with a warp drive.
Yea... stop talking nonsense, it adds nothing.
Originally posted by The.agG There is this and on the other side, there is Frontier (Elite Dangerous) who have met all deadlines till date except one and were working overtime last week (4 out of the 7 days and even till 2 AM local time) to release the big Beta 2.0 update and the following daily bug fixes. Those guys are actually working hard on their game, making the money i spent on Elite Premium Beta totally worth it.
E:D is a smaller scale project... and given the same developement time lines... the fact that its so barebones (yes it is, I also own it... while its core game is polished... it's content level even after beta 2 is no impressive.) and it won't have FPS/ground modules for another year (maybe longer..... as the wiki says) It's not that far ahead at all... considering its 1-1.5 year headstart.
I could pick apart/inform each page of this thread... but I'd be spamming way too much...
LOL you just proved your bias and that you spit out BS. The poll did no in fact ask backers if CIG should stop croudfunding, in fact the poll asked if CIG should keep showing the numbers nothing more. Here is the polll
What should we do with the crowdfunding counter after we reach our goal?
B
Have the funding counter display the amount towards the current stretch goal / feature, not the total amount once we reach $23M.
Oh and right from CR him self,
Some Citizens have asked if $21 million will mark the end of the funding campaign and the stretch goal unlocks. The answer is no: For a couple of key reasons –
I stopped reading your post after this BS as I just figured the rest of your post was filled with more inaccurate information.
Erm.... the pledge goals is the crowd funding.... that insenstive for people to continue to pledge more, that was to decide to cancel THAT aspect of it, which was REFUSED. as you can bloody well read the same material.
Game-Packages are early access packages.... the constant wave of new pledge ships/Content is still classes AS PLEDGE to get to more goals. PLEDGE-GOALs...
next minor critism of wording?
Any other nitpicks that people want to make? to try and undermine the game's "going ok" situation?
or do you just wanna throw more pointless little rocks?
LOL
You stated that CIG had a poll asking if they should stop funding. That was not true, CIG never gave any such poll. Showing the funding goals and stopping funding are not the same thing in anyway. And CR even stated that the stretch goals would not even stop. Its not nitpicking when you change the entire meaning of the poll into your own bias view.
In what world does "stop showing a counter" tern into "stop funding". Man you really have no legs to stand on. I proved that you spit out BS and make stuff up to try and make your point.
If you don't want to be called out on your BS, just stop doing it. Don't make false claims that are easy to prove wrong.
Edit: CIG NEVER ASKED IF THEY SHOULD STOP CROWD FUNDING, in fact CIG said they WOULD CONTINUE CROWD FUNDING.
What most of you have not realized yet and has slipped through the whole hype and fanboy defending for this game is that THEY ARE NOT SELLING SHIPS ANYMORE!
They are now selling CONCEPTS. Yes you heard me right, these ships are not even available or created yet. They are concepts!
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"When a ship's concept gets final approval from Chris Roberts, they will be sold in a one-week concept-only sale. After that week ends, the ship will not be available for sale until it is ready for use in the Hangar. Yes, you read that right: CIG is selling concept versions of virtual spaceships that can't be flown or even viewed in a game that isn't finished. In fact, the first of these, the Aegis Reclaimer, went on sale last week - for $350."
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These guys are probably sitting around a table snorting coke through a hundred dollar bill laughing at all the idiots buying these "Ships". They have a couple of Full Sail art majors pumping out drawings as fast as possible for the next round of fundraising.
lol
love that image, laugh everytime :P
the funding method behind this game is ridiculous but i guess plenty are lapping it up
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lol at you guys saying the game isn't worth it etc.
The game has to get funded somehow. The more money it gets the better the quality it can get, obvious is obvious. Look at all the shit MMO's over the last several years... gamers crying the dev's don't listen to their fans.
This game is entirely influenced by the game dev's and fans. Can't say the same about many other games. If you can't feel positive about this game then you really can not feel positive about any other game, you should just quit gaming all together if all you have to say is negativity, go find another hobby or slash your wrists.
Well, yea, obviously? game dev's need paying. Like all jobs they get paid more for working through holidays and longer hours.
Look at all those crappy MMOs with their stupidly large budgets that essentially flopped. More money sadly doesn't mean better quality although I'm sure investors wished it was that easy.
Too logical for this forum... they get off on talking about games they know nothing about... and assume the worst, because instead of funding and being actively involved in a games developement, they lap up these s*itty mass marketed MMO's everytime... and get burned.
LOL ROFL dude you made laugh so loud people at work think I went bananas. LOL
I think you very well caught the image of the new spaceship going on sale next month there CR-Pelican luxury yatch. lol
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It's taking advantage of people with self control issues. It's legal, but it's also super shady.
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Because all MMO designs are influenced by publishers and investor's who haven't got a clue in how to make a game. They make too many decisions. Gamers ALWAYS complain in EVERY game of how the game dev's don't listen to them in a large way. SC is totally designed by the game dev's with strong influences from its fans, literally no other MMO has ever done that.
I don't mind putting in a few bucks into a kickstarter but here they are really not filling me with confidence.
At best it will be a good pay2win game and at worst it is a total scam but even the best scenario ain't good enough for me.
Of course, anyone else can use their money as they see fit, it is all up to you but this game is off my list for good.
Your choice to feel that way.
but given that we know that you can't buy ships or weapons on release..
How is this pay2win exactly? in what way do you "win" in this scenario?
They're evolving
Hmm, I think the fan interaction is just a sign of modern times. Crowd-funding development takes the social media connection even further, Elite's design discussion forum is the best example I've come across https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=36
But maybe you're right, maybe I'm just a total cynic, even as a backer I can't help but feel the most prudent thing to do is to believe that they will over-promise and under-deliver (atleast that way they might impress :-)).
How can it be a pay2win game if a $200 pledge ship takes only a week to earn in game?
All you need to play this game is $30. They are constantly releasing new videos of in-game footage - not cinematics like most other games, and periodically releasing new test modes of the game. How can you possibly not feel confident about this game? additionally it has the backing of gamers, being built by gamers for gamers 100%, no other game ever has. Yet you have little confidence for it? if thats the case then all newer upcoming games haven't a chance in hell of being much good.
LOL you just proved your bias and that you spit out BS. The poll did no in fact ask backers if CIG should stop croudfunding, in fact the poll asked if CIG should keep showing the numbers nothing more. Here is the polll
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13266-Letter-From-The-Chairman-19-Million
What should we do with the crowdfunding counter after we reach our goal?
B
Have the funding counter display the amount towards the current stretch goal / feature, not the total amount once we reach $23M.
Erm.... the pledge goals is the crowd funding.... that insenstive for people to continue to pledge more, that was to decide to cancel THAT aspect of it, which was REFUSED. as you can bloody well read the same material.
Game-Packages are early access packages.... the constant wave of new pledge ships/Content is still classes AS PLEDGE to get to more goals. PLEDGE-GOALs...
next minor critism of wording?
Any other nitpicks that people want to make? to try and undermine the game's "going ok" situation?
or do you just wanna throw more pointless little rocks?
LOL
You stated that CIG had a poll asking if they should stop funding. That was not true, CIG never gave any such poll. Showing the funding goals and stopping funding are not the same thing in anyway. And CR even stated that the stretch goals would not even stop. Its not nitpicking when you change the entire meaning of the poll into your own bias view.
In what world does "stop showing a counter" tern into "stop funding". Man you really have no legs to stand on. I proved that you spit out BS and make stuff up to try and make your point.
If you don't want to be called out on your BS, just stop doing it. Don't make false claims that are easy to prove wrong.
Edit: CIG NEVER ASKED IF THEY SHOULD STOP CROWD FUNDING, in fact CIG said they WOULD CONTINUE CROWD FUNDING.
What most of you have not realized yet and has slipped through the whole hype and fanboy defending for this game is that THEY ARE NOT SELLING SHIPS ANYMORE!
They are now selling CONCEPTS. Yes you heard me right, these ships are not even available or created yet. They are concepts!
---
"When a ship's concept gets final approval from Chris Roberts, they will be sold in a one-week concept-only sale. After that week ends, the ship will not be available for sale until it is ready for use in the Hangar. Yes, you read that right: CIG is selling concept versions of virtual spaceships that can't be flown or even viewed in a game that isn't finished. In fact, the first of these, the Aegis Reclaimer, went on sale last week - for $350."
PROOF
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If that's not taking the piss then i don't know what is.