Those bans weren't for the lockboxes, it was for duping credits.
Hence why he would have had credits and AH listings cancelled.
They haven't addressed the rest of what he would be claiming yet.
Coincidentally, a bunch of people just got banned. Not so coincidentally they're all claiming they didn't do anything; go figure.
There you go blaming the players again even after Trion already admitted they screwed up with their banning system before.
Point. There is a guy who made a forum post asking people "New player. Should I play this game or not?"
One post later, he posted that he got banned before he even logged on.
(I'd link to the thread since it's still new and a hot topic but the forums are down right now.)
But of course, they must all be hackers and cheaters that Trion rightfully caught and punished. Trion couldn't make any banning mistakes right? (and according to them only 12 people did the APEX exploit)
They're all innocent, and some guy says he got banned before he started the game isn't a troll.
What a shock that trion said some time ago that there wee some false flags, and that they updated their detection to stop it, and there are still people claiming they were falsely banned.
Obviously only the innocent ones post they were innocent on the forums, right? A group of people, who were all in the same raid, most from the same guild, all banned at the exact same time. Yeah, that's a coincidence; they were all false-positives.
And now look, the forums crashed. I wonder if the same people who have been flooding the forums troll threads, stating the same thing over and over, with new accounts, or post histories that show the only thing they post is negative trolling comments, might be DDOSing the forums at this moment.
Because the forums where they talk about how to cheat in the game haven't been telling people to keep making threads claiming false-positives. Because this is an unheard-of event that never happens on a forum that anyone can post on, whether they play the game or not.
Yes, AA has a huge problem. People going out of their way to do nothing but make Trion and the game look bad.
Again, given that all relevant forums (official forums, hacker forums, reddit, whatever) have tons of people saying they got away with it but no one saying "I exploited and got banned", I'd say the evidence is against your theory. Even Scapes himself never mentioned permanent bans when they were slapping people on the wrists for the APEX duping (Scape's post specifically only said temporary bans without mentioning permanent anywhere, IIRC), yet you think this lockbox thing will be any different? Or even begins to make up for all the people that they either KNOW duped credits and aren't permanently banning. (or was it because "only 12 people" did it?)
And it's not like they didn't do this before. They did this with Rift too (or rather, didn't do anything) when everyone exploited there also.
How can people seriously believe Trion magically made their detection system impeccable after it's already failed before just because they said so (and they also said only 12 people did the bug). Why would trolls be all over reddit and the hacker forums lying "I exploited and got away with it" as well? The thickness of the blindfold people are willing to wear so they can say "Lalala! It's all a bad conspiracy of evil people against innocent lovable Trion!" is amazing.
Trion doesn't care at all about the game, its economy or its players. Only cash. They're not going to ban people as it cuts off money, it doesn't matter what it does to the game in their eyes.
Of course all the moral white knights are disgusted by this. Guess what, no one cares. I don't play archeage really, but exploiting and legits that hack for benefit happen all the time. Honestly, I wish I had played the game before just so I could exploit it to the moon and beyond. It's not directly hurting someone, and fair? That's a lie, nothing's fair in this world. Enjoy your broken game people. How anyone could take AA seriously anymore is beyond me.
Also lol at the people that though Trion was gonna actually find everyone and their exact profits and ban them. It's just not feasiable to track that shit so easily.
Again, given that all relevant forums (official forums, hacker forums, reddit, whatever) have tons of people saying they got away with it but no one saying "I exploited and got banned", I'd say the evidence is against your theory. Even Scapes himself never mentioned permanent bans when they were slapping people on the wrists for the APEX duping (Scape's post specifically only said temporary bans without mentioning permanent anywhere, IIRC), yet you think this lockbox thing will be any different? Or even begins to make up for all the people that they either KNOW duped credits and aren't permanently banning. (or was it because "only 12 people" did it?)
And it's not like they didn't do this before. They did this with Rift too (or rather, didn't do anything) when everyone exploited there also.
How can people seriously believe Trion magically made their detection system impeccable after it's already failed before just because they said so (and they also said only 12 people did the bug). Why would trolls be all over reddit and the hacker forums lying "I exploited and got away with it" as well? The thickness of the blindfold people are willing to wear so they can say "Lalala! It's all a bad conspiracy of evil people against innocent lovable Trion!" is amazing.
Same people who are posting all the negative threads, also happen to be the same ones who keep claiming that they know people who were exploiting.
Why would they be all over other forums? Because people do that. As absurd as it may be, people do that.
No one ever goes onto a forum and admits they were cheating and got banned. When has that ever been evidence that cheaters aren't being dealt with.
No one is saying "I exploited and got banned", but a bunch of guys right now are claiming they didn't do anything and got banned. What a shock.
Of course all the moral white knights are disgusted by this. Guess what, no one cares. I don't play archeage really, but exploiting and legits that hack for benefit happen all the time. Honestly, I wish I had played the game before just so I could exploit it to the moon and beyond. It's not directly hurting someone, and fair? That's a lie, nothing's fair in this world. Enjoy your broken game people. How anyone could take AA seriously anymore is beyond me.
Also lol at the people that though Trion was gonna actually find everyone and their exact profits and ban them. It's just not feasiable to track that shit so easily.
It's not "moral white knights". The same people who keep posting thread after thread about this on the official forums are the same one's that have repeated negative posts, or claiming they were unjustly banned.
Again, given that all relevant forums (official forums, hacker forums, reddit, whatever) have tons of people saying they got away with it but no one saying "I exploited and got banned", I'd say the evidence is against your theory. Even Scapes himself never mentioned permanent bans when they were slapping people on the wrists for the APEX duping (Scape's post specifically only said temporary bans without mentioning permanent anywhere, IIRC), yet you think this lockbox thing will be any different? Or even begins to make up for all the people that they either KNOW duped credits and aren't permanently banning. (or was it because "only 12 people" did it?)
And it's not like they didn't do this before. They did this with Rift too (or rather, didn't do anything) when everyone exploited there also.
How can people seriously believe Trion magically made their detection system impeccable after it's already failed before just because they said so (and they also said only 12 people did the bug). Why would trolls be all over reddit and the hacker forums lying "I exploited and got away with it" as well? The thickness of the blindfold people are willing to wear so they can say "Lalala! It's all a bad conspiracy of evil people against innocent lovable Trion!" is amazing.
Same people who are posting all the negative threads, also happen to be the same ones who keep claiming that they know people who were exploiting.
Why would they be all over other forums? Because people do that. As absurd as it may be, people do that.
No one ever goes onto a forum and admits they were cheating and got banned. When has that ever been evidence that cheaters aren't being dealt with.
No one is saying "I exploited and got banned", but a bunch of guys right now are claiming they didn't do anything and got banned. What a shock.
Many people exploited because exploits were rampant in AA and they wanted to keep up. Having trivialized the game, now they are bored and expected to get banned, but were not. They have nothing to lose, AA is done and people don't really care what happens to their accounts so they're telling the truth about it. I know people personally, including some of the biggest credit dupers on Ollo, and last I checked all of them still have active accounts.
Side note: I personally never used the credit dupe, but in retrospect I was buying labor potions off a player that was using it and made quite a bit of money reselling them (as did my entire guild)... and when I say we were buying labor pots, I mean we were buying 30k+ gold worth of labor pots at a time from this guy (back when they were worth 7g a piece). It really cheapened the experience for all of us learning this, so now many of us are quitting.
As the mmorpg genre gets older it feels like I have been playing wrong this entire time. Don't exploit/bot/hack , and play the straight/narrow path. Meanwhile people are making a mockery out of the game and getting three minutes in the penalty box for high sticking. I'm not sure how much of this is true. I do find it odd that there don't seem to be massive complaints of people losing x or y. Instead there are boasts running rampant of how they pulled off the cheats and walked away with everything minus credits. I'm starting to think things like honesty are dead. At the end of the day though we can only really blame ourselves. We keep giving these companies money and rewarding them for their poor services.
No surprise here. TRION cares about money first, players 2nd.
This is why everyone left this game. TRION has shown over and over again its willing to over look exploits in favor of money at the expense of its players.
Originally posted by LordZeik As the mmorpg genre gets older it feels like I have been playing wrong this entire time. Don't exploit/bot/hack , and play the straight/narrow path. Meanwhile people are making a mockery out of the game and getting three minutes in the penalty box for high sticking. I'm not sure how much of this is true. I do find it odd that there don't seem to be massive complaints of people losing x or y. Instead there are boasts running rampant of how they pulled off the cheats and walked away with everything minus credits. I'm starting to think things like honesty are dead. At the end of the day though we can only really blame ourselves. We keep giving these companies money and rewarding them for their poor services.
First of all, it's a game. Second, when you get to bullshit morally gray points of how bad the cashop really is (pro tip: it's really disgusting.) Everything goes. I bet they don't even feel that good about doing it, they just don't feel badly at all. Why should he be able to get such better things just because he spends more $$$ than me? thoughts like these drive people to do things which don't really make yourself proud.
Incredible how much AA is looking like MapleStory.
I am curious how you can dismiss the many threads and countless replies over several game sites by people very much concerned over this? Is it a usual practice in your life to ignore all sides of an issue other than your own?
2 phrases to tell the entire story of why this game is so messed up - Free to Play and Open World PVP
They mix like oil and water....sub and open pvp isn't much better
Hmm I wonder why all the talk is about AA's bad f2p system then?
I think people like you would be happier in a single player co-op with an online auction house. All you people want is story and dungeons anyways.
It's not about F2P on it's own. Its the idea of a having a F2P, cash shop oriented game that focuses on Open World PVP. It invites and incites p2w tactics.
For those of you who see no wrong with Trion consider this.
Trion said they set prices and items in the cash shop.
Trion said they get to pick the items in the cash shop.
Trion decided not to spend money on enough GMs
Trion decided not to do a test server, HUGE MISTAKE.
Trion did not listen to the Alpha players at all.
They control the CS tickets.
They are making money off the game.
They allow all the BS in their forums, they could make the forums patron only if they wanted and ban people and their accounts for breaking TOS.
They have not been honest with their customers.
They allow pretty much anything in the game.
Scamming is encouraged, blocking bridges, sitting on people farms where they can not plant, dragging mobs on top of tractors, I know Scapes even said that was a good one had it happen to him.
Trion set up a community to get the worse type of people then encourage them to do whatever they want.
I cheated to get Banned because I liked the game ALOT and wanted to stop playing because of Trion.
I got to keep all my stuff too I got from cheating and only have logged three times since then and it has been over 24 hours since the last time.
For me it has came to and end, I will not play another Trion game, They screwed this game up about as bad as they could, I do agree it is not all their fault but of everything TRION has control over was handled very badly.
But some of you guys defending Trion are in denial when you blame the people for the problems, it is XLGames and Trions Fault, not the players.
Of the people I stared playing with only two are left in the game, one was banned two days ago, she filled out a ticket and then got on live support on her husbands account, they told her today there is no record of her account.
Do you believe me?
White Knights I'm sure think I work for WoW or something, but if one person reads this and does not give any money to Trion it is worth my time to post.
But some of you guys defending Trion are in denial when you blame the people for the problems, it is XLGames and Trions Fault, not the players.
I didnt see noone here defending Trion and blaming players.
Part of the discussing around this thread i made critics to some users behave about cheating and come to forums claim that like it is a normal thing and others accept that like the most normal behave, its not.
Even in AA with all the tecnical issues and problems facing atm and the horrible management from Trion/XLGames, Cheating should never been see like a "cool thing".
I know most will consider im "playing the wrong way", but i dont change my playstyle whatever hapeneds in-game:
- I never had more then 400g
- only have a clipper and a farm cart
- only 1 16x16 and 2 8x8
- cloth crafted set lvl 34, dont have money to go futher atm
- plate set from quests
- green craft weapon lvl 40
- nothing from hasla
-nothing from gha
- never went in arena.
So yeah, i must be a loser (im not a winner anyway) but i will continue this way while playing the game and still have fun, i will never cheat just because others are doing it.
Cheating in AA is so wrong like cheating in any other game.
Scamming is encouraged, blocking bridges, sitting on people farms where they can not plant, dragging mobs on top of tractors, I know Scapes even said that was a good one had it happen to him.
Trion set up a community to get the worse type of people then encourage them to do whatever they want.
this is one thing that is rarely mentioned ..... i didn't like this face of the game at all ... it was weird how suprised people looked in game when i helped them without asking anything in return
All-time fave : City of Heroes/Villains
Played and returning from time to time : GW2, Tera, CO
Scamming is encouraged, blocking bridges, sitting on people farms where they can not plant, dragging mobs on top of tractors, I know Scapes even said that was a good one had it happen to him.
Trion set up a community to get the worse type of people then encourage them to do whatever they want.
this is one thing that is rarely mentioned ..... i didn't like this face of the game at all ... it was weird how suprised people looked in game when i helped them without asking anything in return
In ArcheAge you need to suspect everyone and dont trust in anyone on 1st encounter.
Relations take time to build on a game like ArcheAge, people should play safe. Theres plenty of people helping each other in certain situations, but ofc when someone go to pvp zone with a pack must look to all others as enemies if want any chance to survive, you put a pack on your back and everyone see you as a target.
This doesnt mean everyone is evil, the risk is part of the game and learning to survive is part of progression.
Blockage bridges: sometimes is only for trolling, other times is a attemp to control the % of deliver packs somewhere. i dont agree with this, i dont do it, i just need to keep a eye in faction chat and theres allways people communicate "mariople free" or "mariople blocked", its the nice part of community.
I see the chat much more "clean" and much more helpfull people since the population drop this last weeks.
But some of you guys defending Trion are in denial when you blame the people for the problems, it is XLGames and Trions Fault, not the players.
I didnt see noone here defending Trion and blaming players.
Part of the discussing around this thread i made critics to some users behave about cheating and come to forums claim that like it is a normal thing and others accept that like the most normal behave, its not.
Even in AA with all the tecnical issues and problems facing atm and the horrible management from Trion/XLGames, Cheating should never been see like a "cool thing".
I know most will consider im "playing the wrong way", but i dont change my playstyle whatever hapeneds in-game:
- I never had more then 400g
- only have a clipper and a farm cart
- only 1 16x16 and 2 8x8
- cloth crafted set lvl 34, dont have money to go futher atm
- plate set from quests
- green craft weapon lvl 40
- nothing from hasla
-nothing from gha
- never went in arena.
So yeah, i must be a loser (im not a winner anyway) but i will continue this way while playing the game and still have fun, i will never cheat just because others are doing it.
Cheating in AA is so wrong like cheating in any other game.
Thats not a bad way to play, and I've heard people who take the casual approach almost always love the game. In fact, I started a Euro character on my account to earn apex and after 2 weeks I found that I enjoyed AA more playing my euro alt casually than I did trying to compete and progress my character in a game so blatantly p2w.
For the rest of us who like playing MMOs for the competition, theres too many problems to count.
For the rest of us who like playing MMOs for the competition, theres too many problems to count.
Yes they are, i cant denie that. And i like competition but i must be real and know i cant compete in any mmorpg playing around 30h a week, or at least i take much more time to reach some goals.
My main point is: even my progression is slow and i will take alot of time to reach some competitive point in AA i will not cheat just because others are doing, its this behave i cant agree. Theres no excuse to cheating imo, none at all.
But i cant blame players for give up AA because all this problems, i allready give up games for less. I just stay because the concept of ArcheAge is what i can get more close to what i want in a fantasy mmorpg.
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Again, given that all relevant forums (official forums, hacker forums, reddit, whatever) have tons of people saying they got away with it but no one saying "I exploited and got banned", I'd say the evidence is against your theory. Even Scapes himself never mentioned permanent bans when they were slapping people on the wrists for the APEX duping (Scape's post specifically only said temporary bans without mentioning permanent anywhere, IIRC), yet you think this lockbox thing will be any different? Or even begins to make up for all the people that they either KNOW duped credits and aren't permanently banning. (or was it because "only 12 people" did it?)
And it's not like they didn't do this before. They did this with Rift too (or rather, didn't do anything) when everyone exploited there also.
How can people seriously believe Trion magically made their detection system impeccable after it's already failed before just because they said so (and they also said only 12 people did the bug). Why would trolls be all over reddit and the hacker forums lying "I exploited and got away with it" as well? The thickness of the blindfold people are willing to wear so they can say "Lalala! It's all a bad conspiracy of evil people against innocent lovable Trion!" is amazing.
Of course all the moral white knights are disgusted by this. Guess what, no one cares. I don't play archeage really, but exploiting and legits that hack for benefit happen all the time. Honestly, I wish I had played the game before just so I could exploit it to the moon and beyond. It's not directly hurting someone, and fair? That's a lie, nothing's fair in this world. Enjoy your broken game people. How anyone could take AA seriously anymore is beyond me.
Also lol at the people that though Trion was gonna actually find everyone and their exact profits and ban them. It's just not feasiable to track that shit so easily.
Same people who are posting all the negative threads, also happen to be the same ones who keep claiming that they know people who were exploiting.
Why would they be all over other forums? Because people do that. As absurd as it may be, people do that.
No one ever goes onto a forum and admits they were cheating and got banned. When has that ever been evidence that cheaters aren't being dealt with.
No one is saying "I exploited and got banned", but a bunch of guys right now are claiming they didn't do anything and got banned. What a shock.
It's not "moral white knights". The same people who keep posting thread after thread about this on the official forums are the same one's that have repeated negative posts, or claiming they were unjustly banned.
That's not a coincidence.
Many people exploited because exploits were rampant in AA and they wanted to keep up. Having trivialized the game, now they are bored and expected to get banned, but were not. They have nothing to lose, AA is done and people don't really care what happens to their accounts so they're telling the truth about it. I know people personally, including some of the biggest credit dupers on Ollo, and last I checked all of them still have active accounts.
Side note: I personally never used the credit dupe, but in retrospect I was buying labor potions off a player that was using it and made quite a bit of money reselling them (as did my entire guild)... and when I say we were buying labor pots, I mean we were buying 30k+ gold worth of labor pots at a time from this guy (back when they were worth 7g a piece). It really cheapened the experience for all of us learning this, so now many of us are quitting.
No surprise here. TRION cares about money first, players 2nd.
This is why everyone left this game. TRION has shown over and over again its willing to over look exploits in favor of money at the expense of its players.
First of all, it's a game. Second, when you get to bullshit morally gray points of how bad the cashop really is (pro tip: it's really disgusting.) Everything goes. I bet they don't even feel that good about doing it, they just don't feel badly at all. Why should he be able to get such better things just because he spends more $$$ than me? thoughts like these drive people to do things which don't really make yourself proud.
Incredible how much AA is looking like MapleStory.
I am curious how you can dismiss the many threads and countless replies over several game sites by people very much concerned over this? Is it a usual practice in your life to ignore all sides of an issue other than your own?
You stay sassy!
It's not about F2P on it's own. Its the idea of a having a F2P, cash shop oriented game that focuses on Open World PVP. It invites and incites p2w tactics.
For those of you who see no wrong with Trion consider this.
Trion said they set prices and items in the cash shop.
Trion said they get to pick the items in the cash shop.
Trion decided not to spend money on enough GMs
Trion decided not to do a test server, HUGE MISTAKE.
Trion did not listen to the Alpha players at all.
They control the CS tickets.
They are making money off the game.
They allow all the BS in their forums, they could make the forums patron only if they wanted and ban people and their accounts for breaking TOS.
They have not been honest with their customers.
They allow pretty much anything in the game.
Scamming is encouraged, blocking bridges, sitting on people farms where they can not plant, dragging mobs on top of tractors, I know Scapes even said that was a good one had it happen to him.
Trion set up a community to get the worse type of people then encourage them to do whatever they want.
I cheated to get Banned because I liked the game ALOT and wanted to stop playing because of Trion.
I got to keep all my stuff too I got from cheating and only have logged three times since then and it has been over 24 hours since the last time.
For me it has came to and end, I will not play another Trion game, They screwed this game up about as bad as they could, I do agree it is not all their fault but of everything TRION has control over was handled very badly.
But some of you guys defending Trion are in denial when you blame the people for the problems, it is XLGames and Trions Fault, not the players.
Of the people I stared playing with only two are left in the game, one was banned two days ago, she filled out a ticket and then got on live support on her husbands account, they told her today there is no record of her account.
Do you believe me?
White Knights I'm sure think I work for WoW or something, but if one person reads this and does not give any money to Trion it is worth my time to post.
christ i quit a week after subbing due to lag , i whined i would quit due to it , and guess what ...i got a forum ban....that was last straw....
they dont give a shit, any decent company would try and console or bullshit you at least...nope i got a life time forum ban...
and i see cheaters are doing better , pisses me right the fuck off, stay at archeage dont goto others ....
all this above makes me laugh....havent been back since 1st week of the month
I didnt see noone here defending Trion and blaming players.
Part of the discussing around this thread i made critics to some users behave about cheating and come to forums claim that like it is a normal thing and others accept that like the most normal behave, its not.
Even in AA with all the tecnical issues and problems facing atm and the horrible management from Trion/XLGames, Cheating should never been see like a "cool thing".
I know most will consider im "playing the wrong way", but i dont change my playstyle whatever hapeneds in-game:
- I never had more then 400g
- only have a clipper and a farm cart
- only 1 16x16 and 2 8x8
- cloth crafted set lvl 34, dont have money to go futher atm
- plate set from quests
- green craft weapon lvl 40
- nothing from hasla
-nothing from gha
- never went in arena.
So yeah, i must be a loser (im not a winner anyway) but i will continue this way while playing the game and still have fun, i will never cheat just because others are doing it.
Cheating in AA is so wrong like cheating in any other game.
this is one thing that is rarely mentioned ..... i didn't like this face of the game at all ... it was weird how suprised people looked in game when i helped them without asking anything in return
All-time fave : City of Heroes/Villains
Played and returning from time to time : GW2, Tera, CO
Played: Aion, Archeage, DCUO, FXIV:ARR, Rift, SWTOR, TSW, Vindictus, Wildstar
Playing atm : WoW, Hearthstone, Tera, GW2
In ArcheAge you need to suspect everyone and dont trust in anyone on 1st encounter.
Relations take time to build on a game like ArcheAge, people should play safe. Theres plenty of people helping each other in certain situations, but ofc when someone go to pvp zone with a pack must look to all others as enemies if want any chance to survive, you put a pack on your back and everyone see you as a target.
This doesnt mean everyone is evil, the risk is part of the game and learning to survive is part of progression.
Blockage bridges: sometimes is only for trolling, other times is a attemp to control the % of deliver packs somewhere. i dont agree with this, i dont do it, i just need to keep a eye in faction chat and theres allways people communicate "mariople free" or "mariople blocked", its the nice part of community.
I see the chat much more "clean" and much more helpfull people since the population drop this last weeks.
Thats not a bad way to play, and I've heard people who take the casual approach almost always love the game. In fact, I started a Euro character on my account to earn apex and after 2 weeks I found that I enjoyed AA more playing my euro alt casually than I did trying to compete and progress my character in a game so blatantly p2w.
For the rest of us who like playing MMOs for the competition, theres too many problems to count.
Yes they are, i cant denie that. And i like competition but i must be real and know i cant compete in any mmorpg playing around 30h a week, or at least i take much more time to reach some goals.
My main point is: even my progression is slow and i will take alot of time to reach some competitive point in AA i will not cheat just because others are doing, its this behave i cant agree. Theres no excuse to cheating imo, none at all.
But i cant blame players for give up AA because all this problems, i allready give up games for less. I just stay because the concept of ArcheAge is what i can get more close to what i want in a fantasy mmorpg.
yup, its fuckin sad
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