Originally posted by Kaladin Report back in a month or two.
What do you think will happen to WoW in next 2 months? Report back in year or two would still be nonsense.
Obviously the population will decrease, but there is unlikely to be a significant drop in next...I dont know...decade?
Are you serious Coretex666 the number will drop like again like always do in WoW MoP have close 10 million at start and before patch 6.0.2 hit live server the number was down to 6 - 7 million subscribers fact is that after 1st 1 year when the hardcore raider is done play around in raid then will stop playing again and slow WoW will lose subscrivers again.
In the meantime though WoW stands at 10 million active subscriptions as of Nov 13 and a confirmed yearly revenue between 1 and 1.2 billion dollars, depending of the year they launch an expansion...
and a FIRST day sell of 3.3 million copies of just WoD, not even talking about new basic WoW boxes while the game was not even launched in Asia...
Now to your prediction ... I don't think it will happen, because WoW lost subscriptions due to every AAA MMORPG going free to play between 2010 and 2013.
Blizzard said it was very difficult to recruit new players in a subscription based game when all the rest is turning to free to play.
That era is over though. You can only go f2p once ...
So my bet is that WoW will stay around 8.5 million until 2016, at which point the Warcraft movie will launch along with a new expansion.
With that in mind, hold on to your hats, as anything is possible if Duncan Jones movie is close to what was shown at BlizzCon.
one word for what that movie teaser showed: breathtaking.
Any how, the counter is reset to 10.000.000 again, up by a whopping 2.6 million compared to the last quarter of 7.4 million.
I know every hater was counting down: you just need to do a recount. Just be assured you reset the counter in Mar 2016 again
Originally posted by Kaladin Report back in a month or two.
What do you think will happen to WoW in next 2 months? Report back in year or two would still be nonsense.
Obviously the population will decrease, but there is unlikely to be a significant drop in next...I dont know...decade?
Are you serious Coretex666 the number will drop like again like always do in WoW MoP have close 10 million at start and before patch 6.0.2 hit live server the number was down to 6 - 7 million subscribers fact is that after 1st 1 year when the hardcore raider is done play around in raid then will stop playing again and slow WoW will lose subscrivers again.
So let me get this straight. You are one of the guys who scream the SKY IS FALLING when WoW an MMO loses subs during a lull between expansions. You are also one of those guys who scream IT DOESNT MATTER I THEY HAVE 10 MILLION THEY WILL LOSE SOME IN A YEAR!
Man you guys sure like to over work your hamsters running your spin machine.
Originally posted by Kaladin Report back in a month or two.
What do you think will happen to WoW in next 2 months? Report back in year or two would still be nonsense.
Obviously the population will decrease, but there is unlikely to be a significant drop in next...I dont know...decade?
Are you serious Coretex666 the number will drop like again like always do in WoW MoP have close 10 million at start and before patch 6.0.2 hit live server the number was down to 6 - 7 million subscribers fact is that after 1st 1 year when the hardcore raider is done play around in raid then will stop playing again and slow WoW will lose subscrivers again.
...and they will still make a BILLION DOLLARS and have a more active player base than GW2, SWTOR, TSW, AOC, and TESO combined. What is your point?
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Originally posted by Bladestrom You do realise that WOW core gameplay hasnt started yet i.e the same old same old raiding cycles. what are they raving about exactly? the questing no-one in wow cares about perhaps? or is it the garrison mini game?
PS i Love to play old WOW on Private servers and I love to playing Age of Empires too occasionally. Inserting one into the other = bereft of cohesive vision.
But have you played it to make that assertion? Cohesiveness can only be rated by actually playing it since you're talking about how one piece fits with the others. I am and while it's different, and a bit annoying that I can't accomplish follower missions from a mobile app, it fits with some of the other changes they made. You said it yourself, why are so many people playing it and raving about it when the "reason" only just arrived? Maybe WoD is actually a good expansion.
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
Originally posted by Bladestrom You do realise that WOW core gameplay hasnt started yet i.e the same old same old raiding cycles. what are they raving about exactly? the questing no-one in wow cares about perhaps? or is it the garrison mini game?
The ones who care and know are those who actually play the game and know the feature you're talking about.
And I can assure your that everyone has great fun with garrisons. Everyone PLAYING actually, not people like you making assumptions on a forum.
I think thats the crux of the problem, those who don't understand why its popular, either havent tried it, or are unwilling to accept that WoW is that popular of a game, those playing it know all too well why its popular, and why Garrisons are a BIG thing right now
I'm not saying garrisons are not a lo of fun, or indeed the expansion within the context of wow is relatively good. Read the article then the thread linked though, in essence should blizzard be rehashing the same old with hacks to fix temporarily fix balancing + a new mini game or should they be rebooting WOW after 10 years. I would expect after 10 billion pounds profit they should be providing more than 24 hours questing and a mini game, don't you?
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Originally posted by Bladestrom You do realise that WOW core gameplay hasnt started yet i.e the same old same old raiding cycles. what are they raving about exactly? the questing no-one in wow cares about perhaps? or is it the garrison mini game?
Haters gonna hate! nuff said!
'haters gona hate na na na na players gonna play na na na na but im just gonna shake na na na na' from that oh so awesome taylor swift song.
lol anyway, wow is still a good game although I would say its a lot worse than it used to be since its been dumbed down but I do question how long it has left when you look at the graphics and gameplay advances in newer games like skyforge, the division, everquest next etc.
I mean if compare wows graphics to any of them, you realise just how dated it actually looks even if it still has decent gameplay for the moment.
I personally think with the advent of actual next gen games coming out in 2015, google official videos for any of the 3 I mentioned btw, I don't think it will cope well especially as its numbers of subs declined through the previous expansions when it didn't have true next gen competition.
That's just what I think though. Check back at the end of 2015.
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
You obviously haven't seen anything then .
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Originally posted by Bladestrom You do realise that WOW core gameplay hasnt started yet i.e the same old same old raiding cycles. what are they raving about exactly? the questing no-one in wow cares about perhaps? or is it the garrison mini game?
The ones who care and know are those who actually play the game and know the feature you're talking about.
And I can assure your that everyone has great fun with garrisons. Everyone PLAYING actually, not people like you making assumptions on a forum.
I think thats the crux of the problem, those who don't understand why its popular, either havent tried it, or are unwilling to accept that WoW is that popular of a game, those playing it know all too well why its popular, and why Garrisons are a BIG thing right now
Btw most people whoa re commenting on this thread are ex wow or current wow players but people who haven't played wow have genuine opinions as well. You don't have to try poo to know it tastes bad when someone else tells you it does. Humans have this key ability to learn from others without having to recreate the wheel everytime.
If I had to try every ea game before realising that they will rip me off massively with dlcs costing more than twice the game, I would have wasted a lot of money but I have been ripped off enough by ea in the past to know that they generally rip off people with games by not making proper expansions and charging 1 level expansions at a cost of 5 pounds. people can realise things without wasting time trying every game.
Ps garrisons looks fun to me, but tbh it's the main part of the game that is tired IMO, balancing issues, and a mentality where bad gear = bad experience that is out dated, and a new fun mini game doesn't change that.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
You obviously haven't seen anything then .
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Anyway, y6ou are entitled to your opinion on this but tbf when you do compare wow to next gen games like eq next, the division or skyforge etc (2 of those set for definite 2015 dates btw and the 3rd unofficially declared 2015), you do see how bad and old wows graphics are compared to modern mmo standards.
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
You obviously haven't seen anything then .
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Anyway, y6ou are entitled to your opinion on this but tbf when you do compare wow to next gen games like eq next, the division or skyforge etc (2 of those set for definite 2015 dates btw and the 3rd unofficially declared 2015), you do see how bad and old wows graphics are compared to modern mmo standards.
True enough, graphics wise, WoW is pretty much behind the times, but putting EQN in the 'next gen' bracket is a bit disingenuous, although The Division is a game i have a lot of hopes for, if it makes it to PC, and if they can actually make the game work well, more of a watch this space, hopefully it will be far better than Destiny turned out - though i can't imagine it being worse , Skyforge i have no opinion on, didn't even know the game was out, or anything about it, poor advertising on their part, or just not a very good game, without knowing more about it, no way of telling. But WoW is more than just the graphics, always has been, and yes, its a shame they aren't a bit more up to date, though given how Wildstar fared, the EQN stylised graphics are probably not going to be a selling point either. Just saying
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
You obviously haven't seen anything then .
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Anyway, y6ou are entitled to your opinion on this but tbf when you do compare wow to next gen games like eq next, the division or skyforge etc (2 of those set for definite 2015 dates btw and the 3rd unofficially declared 2015), you do see how bad and old wows graphics are compared to modern mmo standards.
True enough, graphics wise, WoW is pretty much behind the times, but putting EQN in the 'next gen' bracket is a bit disingenuous, although The Division is a game i have a lot of hopes for, if it makes it to PC, and if they can actually make the game work well, more of a watch this space, hopefully it will be far better than Destiny turned out - though i can't imagine it being worse , Skyforge i have no opinion on, didn't even know the game was out, or anything about it, poor advertising on their part, or just not a very good game, without knowing more about it, no way of telling. But WoW is more than just the graphics, always has been, and yes, its a shame they aren't a bit more up to date, though given how Wildstar fared, the EQN stylised graphics are probably not going to be a selling point either. Just saying
You should look at the graphic for everquest now from actual official videos rather than the ones from landmark which are incompleted areas.
The graphics and physics of the game are next gen. Its not disingenuous at all. The problem is some people google landmark videos which is a building tool and doesn't have any complete graphics in it at all. For example everqyest next has 40 starting classes, in landmark atm, you have none, all you can do is choose between 3 basic weapons.
If you actually want to see the graphics and the physics of everyquest next (ie environment reactions to your actions), you haqve to watch an official video and it is next gen especially considering that it is entirely made out of voxels and thus full destructible which is a whole new level of gameplay physics that has never been done in an mmo before.
Btw, you previously said everything you saw from everquest next makes it look bad. Your passage, no offence, like before shows that you have actually not seen anything of everquest next but you don't likye the idea that everquest next is going for the same market as wow. What exactly do you mean by stylysed graphics btw, it looks really good and the physics is bang on amazing.
Originally posted by Bladestrom You do realise that WOW core gameplay hasnt started yet i.e the same old same old raiding cycles. what are they raving about exactly? the questing no-one in wow cares about perhaps? or is it the garrison mini game?
The ones who care and know are those who actually play the game and know the feature you're talking about.
And I can assure your that everyone has great fun with garrisons. Everyone PLAYING actually, not people like you making assumptions on a forum.
I think thats the crux of the problem, those who don't understand why its popular, either havent tried it, or are unwilling to accept that WoW is that popular of a game, those playing it know all too well why its popular, and why Garrisons are a BIG thing right now
Btw most people whoa re commenting on this thread are ex wow or current wow players but people who haven't played wow have genuine opinions as well. You don't have to try poo to know it tastes bad when someone else tells you it does. Humans have this key ability to learn from others without having to recreate the wheel everytime.
Chocolate is the same colour as 'poo' so just assuming that because its brown in colour its going to taste the same, doesn't mean it will, and perhaps the only way your going to find out, is by trying it, alternatively you can just decide to never eat chocolate, because you know, its just like poo
If I had to try every ea game before realising that they will rip me off massively with dlcs costing more than twice the game, I would have wasted a lot of money but I have been ripped off enough by ea in the past to know that they generally rip off people with games by not making proper expansions and charging 1 level expansions at a cost of 5 pounds. people can realise things without wasting time trying every game.
EA and Blizzard are very different companies, and last time i checked, Blizzard had a pretty good rep for making games, and while that can't be said about EA, they have made quite a few good ones too, though you can pretty much assume that any sporting game made by EA will not only be the same as all the previous versions, but probably not worth buying either. And yes, DLC is imo, pretty bad, but thats a whole different issue anyway.
Without commenting on the ridiculous horseshit I have read in this thread, I will leave you withink this. You can tell a lot about a game that can still cause these kind of love/hate arguments in year 10. The people who seem to hate it have a passon to hate it lol. That's saying a lot when most of the newer mmos that were going to dethrone wow are on life-support at best.
Now, have fun arguing. I was reading this on the can, but now I'm off to play more WoW. This garrison won't build itself. For the haters, have fun being miserable. Sounds like some of you deserve it lol.
Originally posted by Bladestrom You do realise that WOW core gameplay hasnt started yet i.e the same old same old raiding cycles. what are they raving about exactly? the questing no-one in wow cares about perhaps? or is it the garrison mini game?
The ones who care and know are those who actually play the game and know the feature you're talking about.
And I can assure your that everyone has great fun with garrisons. Everyone PLAYING actually, not people like you making assumptions on a forum.
I think thats the crux of the problem, those who don't understand why its popular, either havent tried it, or are unwilling to accept that WoW is that popular of a game, those playing it know all too well why its popular, and why Garrisons are a BIG thing right now
Btw most people whoa re commenting on this thread are ex wow or current wow players but people who haven't played wow have genuine opinions as well. You don't have to try poo to know it tastes bad when someone else tells you it does. Humans have this key ability to learn from others without having to recreate the wheel everytime.
Chocolate is the same colour as 'poo' so just assuming that because its brown in colour its going to taste the same, doesn't mean it will, and perhaps the only way your going to find out, is by trying it, alternatively you can just decide to never eat chocolate, because you know, its just like poo
If I had to try every ea game before realising that they will rip me off massively with dlcs costing more than twice the game, I would have wasted a lot of money but I have been ripped off enough by ea in the past to know that they generally rip off people with games by not making proper expansions and charging 1 level expansions at a cost of 5 pounds. people can realise things without wasting time trying every game.
EA and Blizzard are very different companies, and last time i checked, Blizzard had a pretty good rep for making games, and while that can't be said about EA, they have made quite a few good ones too, though you can pretty much assume that any sporting game made by EA will not only be the same as all the previous versions, but probably not worth buying either. And yes, DLC is imo, pretty bad, but thats a whole different issue anyway.
Lol if your mind can really think so one dimensionally as to not understand my comments, then you have a serious problem. The point is people can learn things without having to do it themselves like we do at school and your argument that everyone needs to try something in depth b4 making a correct opinion rather than learning from others is daft..
yes ea and blizzard are different companies but that doesn't change what I was pointing out which you completely missed because you think one dimensionally.
Lastly, youa re ignorant about everquest next, skyforge, the division, you didn't even read my post properly abvout their release dates and wrote erroneous comments. So I am not surprised that you are commenting so ridiculously.
Go look into these games and their release detas then rea#d what I wrote, then comment.
Without commenting on the ridiculous horseshit I have read in this thread, I will leave you withink this. You can tell a lot about a game that can still cause these kind of love/hate arguments in year 10. The people who seem to hate it have a passon to hate it lol. That's saying a lot when most of the newer mmos that were going to dethrone wow are on life-support at best.
Now, have fun arguing. I was reading this on the can, but now I'm off to play more WoW. This garrison won't build itself. For the haters, have fun being miserable. Sounds like some of you deserve it lol.
My comment stands.
Wows graphics look like poo compared to the next gen mmos like the division, skyforge and everquest next. It has lost subs despite the previous expansions when it didn't face next gen competition and its graphics were comparable.
I think considering that it lost subs when its graphics were on parity despite expansions, it is likely to lose even more subs now due to next gen competition as its graphics get significantly more outdated.
Without commenting on the ridiculous horseshit I have read in this thread, I will leave you withink this. You can tell a lot about a game that can still cause these kind of love/hate arguments in year 10. The people who seem to hate it have a passon to hate it lol. That's saying a lot when most of the newer mmos that were going to dethrone wow are on life-support at best.
Now, have fun arguing. I was reading this on the can, but now I'm off to play more WoW. This garrison won't build itself. For the haters, have fun being miserable. Sounds like some of you deserve it lol.
ESo is not on life support, GW2 is not on Life support, SWTOR is not on life support to name a few (qualify has horseshit?)Ask yourself this while you sit on your 'throne' playing your mini game waiting for Blizzard to release your first couple raid bosses If WOW released today would we consider it a suitable standard for 2014?
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
You obviously haven't seen anything then .
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Anyway, y6ou are entitled to your opinion on this but tbf when you do compare wow to next gen games like eq next, the division or skyforge etc (2 of those set for definite 2015 dates btw and the 3rd unofficially declared 2015), you do see how bad and old wows graphics are compared to modern mmo standards.
True enough, graphics wise, WoW is pretty much behind the times, but putting EQN in the 'next gen' bracket is a bit disingenuous, although The Division is a game i have a lot of hopes for, if it makes it to PC, and if they can actually make the game work well, more of a watch this space, hopefully it will be far better than Destiny turned out - though i can't imagine it being worse , Skyforge i have no opinion on, didn't even know the game was out, or anything about it, poor advertising on their part, or just not a very good game, without knowing more about it, no way of telling. But WoW is more than just the graphics, always has been, and yes, its a shame they aren't a bit more up to date, though given how Wildstar fared, the EQN stylised graphics are probably not going to be a selling point either. Just saying
You should look at the graphic for everquest now from actual official videos rather than the ones from landmark which are incompleted areas.
The graphics and physics of the game are next gen. Its not disingenuous at all. The problem is some people google landmark videos which is a building tool and doesn't have any complete graphics in it at all. For example everqyest next has 40 starting classes, in landmark atm, you have none, all you can do is choose between 3 basic weapons.
If you actually want to see the graphics and the physics of everyquest next (ie environment reactions to your actions), you haqve to watch an official video and it is next gen especially considering that it is entirely made out of voxels and thus full destructible which is a whole new level of gameplay physics that has never been done in an mmo before.
Btw, you previously said everything you saw from everquest next makes it look bad. Your passage, no offence, like before shows that you have actually not seen anything of everquest next but you don't likye the idea that everquest next is going for the same market as wow. What exactly do you mean by stylysed graphics btw, it looks really good and the physics is bang on amazing.
I think that EQN's problem graphically is the stylised graphics, for all that some people claim to love them, if their so good, then why did a game like Wildstar fail so badly, they have very similar aesthetics after all. Personally i thought before Wildstar launched, that people liked those types of stylised graphics, turns out i was wrong and the game failed hard. And despite what you might think, the graphics people are going to get in EQN, are pretty much the same as the ones in Landmark, but this is a whole different argument, that belongs on the EQN forum, not on the WoW one.. probably nobody here even cares what the graphics in EQN are like, although maybe in a year or two, if the game is finished in that time frame that is, maybe that will change, maybe the graphics in the game will change, or maybe we'll all be playing Battle lords of Icecrown tm instead
Without commenting on the ridiculous horseshit I have read in this thread, I will leave you withink this. You can tell a lot about a game that can still cause these kind of love/hate arguments in year 10. The people who seem to hate it have a passon to hate it lol. That's saying a lot when most of the newer mmos that were going to dethrone wow are on life-support at best.
Now, have fun arguing. I was reading this on the can, but now I'm off to play more WoW. This garrison won't build itself. For the haters, have fun being miserable. Sounds like some of you deserve it lol.
ESo is not on life support, GW2 is not on Life support, SWTOR is not on life support to name a few. Ask yourself this (while you sit on your 'throne') If WOW released today what would that opinion be?
both those games aren't next gen and I openly admit they both suck. I have always hated the levelling system of the elder scoll series and gw2 is a shitty b level game which ruins pvp by doing this thing called structured pvp.
its no surprise they failed.
But the next gen games come out in 2015 and unlike the 2 games you mentioned, they actually look good. Everyone knew gw2 and eso would suck.
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
You obviously haven't seen anything then .
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Anyway, y6ou are entitled to your opinion on this but tbf when you do compare wow to next gen games like eq next, the division or skyforge etc (2 of those set for definite 2015 dates btw and the 3rd unofficially declared 2015), you do see how bad and old wows graphics are compared to modern mmo standards.
True enough, graphics wise, WoW is pretty much behind the times, but putting EQN in the 'next gen' bracket is a bit disingenuous, although The Division is a game i have a lot of hopes for, if it makes it to PC, and if they can actually make the game work well, more of a watch this space, hopefully it will be far better than Destiny turned out - though i can't imagine it being worse , Skyforge i have no opinion on, didn't even know the game was out, or anything about it, poor advertising on their part, or just not a very good game, without knowing more about it, no way of telling. But WoW is more than just the graphics, always has been, and yes, its a shame they aren't a bit more up to date, though given how Wildstar fared, the EQN stylised graphics are probably not going to be a selling point either. Just saying
You should look at the graphic for everquest now from actual official videos rather than the ones from landmark which are incompleted areas.
The graphics and physics of the game are next gen. Its not disingenuous at all. The problem is some people google landmark videos which is a building tool and doesn't have any complete graphics in it at all. For example everqyest next has 40 starting classes, in landmark atm, you have none, all you can do is choose between 3 basic weapons.
If you actually want to see the graphics and the physics of everyquest next (ie environment reactions to your actions), you haqve to watch an official video and it is next gen especially considering that it is entirely made out of voxels and thus full destructible which is a whole new level of gameplay physics that has never been done in an mmo before.
Btw, you previously said everything you saw from everquest next makes it look bad. Your passage, no offence, like before shows that you have actually not seen anything of everquest next but you don't likye the idea that everquest next is going for the same market as wow. What exactly do you mean by stylysed graphics btw, it looks really good and the physics is bang on amazing.
I think that EQN's problem graphically is the stylised graphics, for all that some people claim to love them, if their so good, then why did a game like Wildstar fail so badly, they have very similar aesthetics after all. Personally i thought before Wildstar launched, that people liked those types of stylised graphics, turns out i was wrong and the game failed hard. And despite what you might think, the graphics people are going to get in EQN, are pretty much the same as the ones in Landmark, but this is a whole different argument, that belongs on the EQN forum, not on the WoW one.. probably nobody here even cares what the graphics in EQN are like, although maybe in a year or two, if the game is finished in that time frame that is, maybe that will change, maybe the graphics in the game will change, or maybe we'll all be playing Battle lords of Icecrown tm instead
1stly what do you mean by stylysed graphics? If eq next has stylised graphcis so does wow yet you don't complain about wow, I smell hypocrisy here.
2nd off wildstar failed because its a complete wow clone. if wow came out today brand new like wildstar, it would fare the same. Wildstars graphics are identical to wow, its questing system is identical to wow, its skills interface is identical to wow. It failed because it didn't do anything new but basically carbon copied a 10 year old game. Hence why I didn't buy it.
AS for landmark, youa re wrong, go look at pvp landmark vids and official eq next vids. you will see the difference and you will see that out of the 40 classes available, none are in landmark and only 3 simple weapons in a non sony based environment but an environment made by players using a building tool.
And a lot of people care about graphics, you just try to downplay it because you want wow not to lose out next year to any of the big titles which show just how old wow is graphically like skyforge, everquest next, the repopulation or the division etc.
ps. it funny how you attack all of these games when you admitted you didn't even know about them and hadn't looked at them. Also, these games haven't been released yet so your ridiculous comment about it must be bad marketing cuz you haven't heard about these games is a joke. lastly, try to read what I wrote, I said that all the ones I mentioned bar 1 had official 2015 launch dates and the other is suspected to launch in 2015.
For someone who doesn't know anything about what they are talking about, you are very arrogant.
They have not 'failed' just because you 'admit' your opinion about them. As far as my personal opinion, GW2 Is a brilliant game and has a great balance between PVP and PVE and no 'ANAL' jokes to be seen in chat! As for ESO, that game has moved forward a ton since release and in my opinion offers the best levelling experience of any MMO to date and is actually getting regular significant content releases.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
They have not 'failed' just because you 'admit' your opinion about them. As far as my personal opinion, GW2 Is a brilliant game and has a great balance between PVP and PVE and no 'ANAL' jokes to be seen in chat! As for ESO, that game has moved forward a ton since release and in my opinion offers the best levelling experience of any MMO to date and is actually getting regular significant content releases.
Nah, I got to agree with phyrs about them. they failed. they have terrible numbers and gws idea of structured pvp making all pve irrelevant, getting rid of any competition in character building, any competition in gearing or levels, effectively turns guild wars 2 into a glorified moba where you don't have to gear, you don't have to level, you don't have to pve at all lol and you don't have any consequences for bad building.
Its pvp is ruined for that reason and as you don't need to do any pve, its pve is ruined.
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In the meantime though WoW stands at 10 million active subscriptions as of Nov 13 and a confirmed yearly revenue between 1 and 1.2 billion dollars, depending of the year they launch an expansion...
and a FIRST day sell of 3.3 million copies of just WoD, not even talking about new basic WoW boxes while the game was not even launched in Asia...
Now to your prediction ... I don't think it will happen, because WoW lost subscriptions due to every AAA MMORPG going free to play between 2010 and 2013.
Blizzard said it was very difficult to recruit new players in a subscription based game when all the rest is turning to free to play.
That era is over though. You can only go f2p once ...
So my bet is that WoW will stay around 8.5 million until 2016, at which point the Warcraft movie will launch along with a new expansion.
With that in mind, hold on to your hats, as anything is possible if Duncan Jones movie is close to what was shown at BlizzCon.
one word for what that movie teaser showed: breathtaking.
Any how, the counter is reset to 10.000.000 again, up by a whopping 2.6 million compared to the last quarter of 7.4 million.
I know every hater was counting down: you just need to do a recount. Just be assured you reset the counter in Mar 2016 again
So let me get this straight. You are one of the guys who scream the SKY IS FALLING when WoW an MMO loses subs during a lull between expansions. You are also one of those guys who scream IT DOESNT MATTER I THEY HAVE 10 MILLION THEY WILL LOSE SOME IN A YEAR!
Man you guys sure like to over work your hamsters running your spin machine.
...and they will still make a BILLION DOLLARS and have a more active player base than GW2, SWTOR, TSW, AOC, and TESO combined. What is your point?
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
Haters gonna hate! nuff said!
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But have you played it to make that assertion? Cohesiveness can only be rated by actually playing it since you're talking about how one piece fits with the others. I am and while it's different, and a bit annoying that I can't accomplish follower missions from a mobile app, it fits with some of the other changes they made. You said it yourself, why are so many people playing it and raving about it when the "reason" only just arrived? Maybe WoD is actually a good expansion.
You obviously haven't seen anything then
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I think thats the crux of the problem, those who don't understand why its popular, either havent tried it, or are unwilling to accept that WoW is that popular of a game, those playing it know all too well why its popular, and why Garrisons are a BIG thing right now
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
'haters gona hate na na na na players gonna play na na na na but im just gonna shake na na na na' from that oh so awesome taylor swift song.
lol anyway, wow is still a good game although I would say its a lot worse than it used to be since its been dumbed down but I do question how long it has left when you look at the graphics and gameplay advances in newer games like skyforge, the division, everquest next etc.
I mean if compare wows graphics to any of them, you realise just how dated it actually looks even if it still has decent gameplay for the moment.
I personally think with the advent of actual next gen games coming out in 2015, google official videos for any of the 3 I mentioned btw, I don't think it will cope well especially as its numbers of subs declined through the previous expansions when it didn't have true next gen competition.
That's just what I think though. Check back at the end of 2015.
There isn't that much of the game yet created to be seen, so they probably have, maybe once they actually finish deciding what they can do in the game we'll have a better idea of whether we like it or not.. but.. SOE isn't Blizzard so don't expect people to hold their breaths on that one
Btw most people whoa re commenting on this thread are ex wow or current wow players but people who haven't played wow have genuine opinions as well. You don't have to try poo to know it tastes bad when someone else tells you it does. Humans have this key ability to learn from others without having to recreate the wheel everytime.
If I had to try every ea game before realising that they will rip me off massively with dlcs costing more than twice the game, I would have wasted a lot of money but I have been ripped off enough by ea in the past to know that they generally rip off people with games by not making proper expansions and charging 1 level expansions at a cost of 5 pounds. people can realise things without wasting time trying every game.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Anyway, y6ou are entitled to your opinion on this but tbf when you do compare wow to next gen games like eq next, the division or skyforge etc (2 of those set for definite 2015 dates btw and the 3rd unofficially declared 2015), you do see how bad and old wows graphics are compared to modern mmo standards.
True enough, graphics wise, WoW is pretty much behind the times, but putting EQN in the 'next gen' bracket is a bit disingenuous, although The Division is a game i have a lot of hopes for, if it makes it to PC, and if they can actually make the game work well, more of a watch this space, hopefully it will be far better than Destiny turned out - though i can't imagine it being worse
, Skyforge i have no opinion on, didn't even know the game was out, or anything about it, poor advertising on their part, or just not a very good game, without knowing more about it, no way of telling. But WoW is more than just the graphics, always has been, and yes, its a shame they aren't a bit more up to date, though given how Wildstar fared, the EQN stylised graphics are probably not going to be a selling point either. Just saying 
You should look at the graphic for everquest now from actual official videos rather than the ones from landmark which are incompleted areas.
The graphics and physics of the game are next gen. Its not disingenuous at all. The problem is some people google landmark videos which is a building tool and doesn't have any complete graphics in it at all. For example everqyest next has 40 starting classes, in landmark atm, you have none, all you can do is choose between 3 basic weapons.
If you actually want to see the graphics and the physics of everyquest next (ie environment reactions to your actions), you haqve to watch an official video and it is next gen especially considering that it is entirely made out of voxels and thus full destructible which is a whole new level of gameplay physics that has never been done in an mmo before.
Btw, you previously said everything you saw from everquest next makes it look bad. Your passage, no offence, like before shows that you have actually not seen anything of everquest next but you don't likye the idea that everquest next is going for the same market as wow. What exactly do you mean by stylysed graphics btw, it looks really good and the physics is bang on amazing.
Without commenting on the ridiculous horseshit I have read in this thread, I will leave you withink this. You can tell a lot about a game that can still cause these kind of love/hate arguments in year 10. The people who seem to hate it have a passon to hate it lol. That's saying a lot when most of the newer mmos that were going to dethrone wow are on life-support at best.
Now, have fun arguing. I was reading this on the can, but now I'm off to play more WoW. This garrison won't build itself. For the haters, have fun being miserable. Sounds like some of you deserve it lol.
Lol if your mind can really think so one dimensionally as to not understand my comments, then you have a serious problem. The point is people can learn things without having to do it themselves like we do at school and your argument that everyone needs to try something in depth b4 making a correct opinion rather than learning from others is daft..
yes ea and blizzard are different companies but that doesn't change what I was pointing out which you completely missed because you think one dimensionally.
Lastly, youa re ignorant about everquest next, skyforge, the division, you didn't even read my post properly abvout their release dates and wrote erroneous comments. So I am not surprised that you are commenting so ridiculously.
Go look into these games and their release detas then rea#d what I wrote, then comment.
My comment stands.
Wows graphics look like poo compared to the next gen mmos like the division, skyforge and everquest next. It has lost subs despite the previous expansions when it didn't face next gen competition and its graphics were comparable.
I think considering that it lost subs when its graphics were on parity despite expansions, it is likely to lose even more subs now due to next gen competition as its graphics get significantly more outdated.
ESo is not on life support, GW2 is not on Life support, SWTOR is not on life support to name a few (qualify has horseshit?)Ask yourself this while you sit on your 'throne' playing your mini game waiting for Blizzard to release your first couple raid bosses If WOW released today would we consider it a suitable standard for 2014?
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
I think that EQN's problem graphically is the stylised graphics, for all that some people claim to love them, if their so good, then why did a game like Wildstar fail so badly, they have very similar aesthetics after all. Personally i thought before Wildstar launched, that people liked those types of stylised graphics, turns out i was wrong and the game failed hard. And despite what you might think, the graphics people are going to get in EQN, are pretty much the same as the ones in Landmark, but this is a whole different argument, that belongs on the EQN forum, not on the WoW one.. probably nobody here even cares what the graphics in EQN are like, although maybe in a year or two, if the game is finished in that time frame that is, maybe that will change, maybe the graphics in the game will change, or maybe we'll all be playing Battle lords of Icecrown tm instead
both those games aren't next gen and I openly admit they both suck. I have always hated the levelling system of the elder scoll series and gw2 is a shitty b level game which ruins pvp by doing this thing called structured pvp.
its no surprise they failed.
But the next gen games come out in 2015 and unlike the 2 games you mentioned, they actually look good. Everyone knew gw2 and eso would suck.
1stly what do you mean by stylysed graphics? If eq next has stylised graphcis so does wow yet you don't complain about wow, I smell hypocrisy here.
2nd off wildstar failed because its a complete wow clone. if wow came out today brand new like wildstar, it would fare the same. Wildstars graphics are identical to wow, its questing system is identical to wow, its skills interface is identical to wow. It failed because it didn't do anything new but basically carbon copied a 10 year old game. Hence why I didn't buy it.
AS for landmark, youa re wrong, go look at pvp landmark vids and official eq next vids. you will see the difference and you will see that out of the 40 classes available, none are in landmark and only 3 simple weapons in a non sony based environment but an environment made by players using a building tool.
And a lot of people care about graphics, you just try to downplay it because you want wow not to lose out next year to any of the big titles which show just how old wow is graphically like skyforge, everquest next, the repopulation or the division etc.
ps. it funny how you attack all of these games when you admitted you didn't even know about them and hadn't looked at them. Also, these games haven't been released yet so your ridiculous comment about it must be bad marketing cuz you haven't heard about these games is a joke. lastly, try to read what I wrote, I said that all the ones I mentioned bar 1 had official 2015 launch dates and the other is suspected to launch in 2015.
For someone who doesn't know anything about what they are talking about, you are very arrogant.
@aftaboo
They have not 'failed' just because you 'admit' your opinion about them. As far as my personal opinion, GW2 Is a brilliant game and has a great balance between PVP and PVE and no 'ANAL' jokes to be seen in chat! As for ESO, that game has moved forward a ton since release and in my opinion offers the best levelling experience of any MMO to date and is actually getting regular significant content releases.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Nah, I got to agree with phyrs about them. they failed. they have terrible numbers and gws idea of structured pvp making all pve irrelevant, getting rid of any competition in character building, any competition in gearing or levels, effectively turns guild wars 2 into a glorified moba where you don't have to gear, you don't have to level, you don't have to pve at all lol and you don't have any consequences for bad building.
Its pvp is ruined for that reason and as you don't need to do any pve, its pve is ruined.
2 factors in which why it failed.