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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    This patch sounds epic. Glad I resubbed.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Iselin

    Light and heavy attacks in 1.6 are the only practical way to generate ultimate and the weapon attacks have been buffed significantly relative to the abilities. When they multiplied certain things by a factor of 10, they used that as a balance mechanic and multiplied many things by a much smaller factor - weapon damage got the full X10 buff and not manny other things did.

     

     

    I know that's not what you mean and I'm also one of those who has proposed making everything except the utility skills like dodging, blocking, etc. work off magicka - i.e. just admit that we're all battlemages and be done with it...

     

    But they have other ideas obviously and in all my 1.6 testing all Stamina builds I've tried feel much better than the magicka builds. They will be the FOTM for the foreseeable future.

     


     

    Hrm...it's very difficult to get the grasp on the changes without experiencing it first hand, buffs and changes you speak of do not seem to be found in patch notes, at least not as explicitely.

    I wasn't clear in my last post, the buff for light/heavy attacks was meant as stamina scaling buff, not a flat buff to weapon damage, that would be pointless.


    More I think about, more I find to be the issue on my end - I just seek clear distinction for stamina resource = weapon abilities and weapon damage, and magica resource = class abilities.

    Someone did a chart on the official forums of what scaled by how much. I'll see if I can find it... but yes, the balance changes are wholesale and many important ones just get one line in the patch notes... for example this one: 

    • Monsters and NPCs will no longer be able to land Critical Hits.
     
    That one came in 1.62 partly in response to all the 7/7 light armor wearers who were getting slaughtered in silver and gold content since the armor provided by light armor is now almost non-existent. You'll see most magicka-based build guides recommend 5/2 using 2 heavy. And some sort of damage shield is 100% required for them now.
     
    And don't forget that soft caps are gone. You can stack magicks and be a glass canon if you want... but I wouldn't recommend it :) 
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    OK... this is a link to the post of what scaled by how much in the "X 10 conversion" and a summary of the major ones. Just be aware some of it might be off since this was mostly off-the-cuff testing by one person: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149825/comparison-of-how-basic-character-stats-scaled-up-they-didt-all-scale-in-1-10-ratio#latest  

     

    • Health scaled on 1:7 Ratio
    • Magicka/Stamina scaled on 1:9 Ratio
    • Health Regen scaled on 1:11.5 Ratio
    • Magicka/Stamina Regen scaled on 1:11 Ratio
    • Heavy/Medium Armour scaled on 1:4 Ratio
    • Light Armour scaled on 1:2 Ratio
    • Some mobs health scaled on a 1:7 Ratio
    • Some mobs health scaled on a 1:9 Ratio
    • Max Health Enchants scaled on a 1:5 Ratio
    • Max Magicka/Stamina scaled on a 1:6 Ratio
    • All recovery enchants scaled on a 1:3 Ratio
    • Reduce cost enchants scaled up on a 1:8/9 Ratio
    • Spell Resistance/Armour glyphs scaled on a 1:6 Ratio
    • X resistance Glyphs (eg Fire Resistance) scaled on a 1:2 Ratio
    • Spell/Weapon Damage Glyphs increased on a 1:2 Ratio
    • General Damage enchants for weapons varied between 1:3 and 1:10 Ratio
     
     
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  • HighMarshalHighMarshal Member UncommonPosts: 415

    Its been a while since I have played, but is there a separate key to pick up items from talking to an NPC?

    I would hate to get into trouble from 'accidentally' taking something off a counter while trying to talk to an NPC.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by HighMarshal

    Its been a while since I have played, but is there a separate key to pick up items from talking to an NPC?

    I would hate to get into trouble from 'accidentally' taking something off a counter while trying to talk to an NPC.

    You get a very obvious red steal warning but in some cases, depending on item placement you have to be very careful picking up something next to something else that isn't owned.

     

    They've also added the option to not auto-loot stolen items while auto-looting everything else. Just looking at it isn't theft, it has to actually get to your inventory.

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654

    When is 1.6 release?

    When is B2P start?

    I might sub again for the patch, but I want it to count towards the goodies for subbing after B2P rolls over.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    The earliest date for 1.6 on live will be the 23rd. It's still in the PTS this week.

    March 17th is the start of B2P. If your sub carries over beyond that date you'll get a portion of the 1500 monthly crown sub allotment depending on fraction of a month you have left.

    But anyone who bought the game at any time gets 500 crowns + 100 per month subbed automatically added to their account on March 17th. And new players who buy after March 17th get 500 crowns also.

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Originally posted by Iselin

    The earliest date for 1.6 on live will be the 23rd. It's still in the PTS this week.

    March 17th is the start of B2P. If your sub carries over beyond that date you'll get a portion of the 1500 monthly crown sub allotment depending on fraction of a month you have left.

    But anyone who bought the game at any time gets 500 crowns + 100 per month subbed automatically added to their account on March 17th. And new players who buy after March 17th get 500 crowns also.

    Is there a big leveling panic going down right now? lol

    BTW, 23rd of Feb?

    Also, I should check how many months I've already had subbed in the past.

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654

    The timing on all of this is really bad for me right now.

    I'm so freaking busy. In fact, I should be getting some work done right now, since I've been screwing off all weekend. Only going to make things harder for me this week. Oh goody (sarc), Monday is a holiday, so now I have even less time to get things done during the business week.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by NorseGod
    Originally posted by Iselin

    The earliest date for 1.6 on live will be the 23rd. It's still in the PTS this week.

    March 17th is the start of B2P. If your sub carries over beyond that date you'll get a portion of the 1500 monthly crown sub allotment depending on fraction of a month you have left.

    But anyone who bought the game at any time gets 500 crowns + 100 per month subbed automatically added to their account on March 17th. And new players who buy after March 17th get 500 crowns also.

    Is there a big leveling panic going down right now? lol

    BTW, 23rd of Feb?

    Also, I should check how many months I've already had subbed in the past.

    Quite the opposite - no one is doing much VR content because they're saving it to earn champion points.

     

    And yes, week from tomorrow is the target for 1.6 going live if everything goes well this week and they don't introduce a huge new bug like they did last week in 1.62 with the infinite stacking 2-HD damage buff image

     

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654

    Could you point me to some current pvp/pvp builds for NB bow and Sorc caster (not a fan of pets)?

    I've been leaking around some older forums, but haven't gotten many opinions. Unless the few that I have come across is the consensus.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by NorseGod

    Could you point me to some current pvp/pvp builds for NB bow and Sorc caster (not a fan of pets)?

    I've been leaking around some older forums, but haven't gotten many opinions. Unless the few that I have come across is the consensus.

    Go tot he Tamriel foundry's theorycrafting sections. No one has a solid handle on 1.6 builds yet (especially for sorcerers) but they're experimenting over there.

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by NorseGod

    Could you point me to some current pvp/pvp builds for NB bow and Sorc caster (not a fan of pets)?

    I've been leaking around some older forums, but haven't gotten many opinions. Unless the few that I have come across is the consensus.

    Go tot he Tamriel foundry's theorycrafting sections. No one has a solid handle on 1.6 builds yet (especially for sorcerers) but they're experimenting over there.

    Yeah, that's actually the place I lurk. That and reddit. I might watch some twitch tonight if I keep blowing off working. lol Sometimes I find some good info there too.

    I just wasn't sure if you knew of some new site or anything. Thanks

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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654

    While my updates are stuck on 79%......

    Am I understanding this right?

    A VR14 will convert to a capped amount of Champion points and these points are account-wide?

    If this is correct:

    Is VR gone?

    Meaning I can just level to 50 and already have capped Champion Points?

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Iselin

    OK... this is a link to the post of what scaled by how much in the "X 10 conversion" and a summary of the major ones. Just be aware some of it might be off since this was mostly off-the-cuff testing by one person: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149825/comparison-of-how-basic-character-stats-scaled-up-they-didt-all-scale-in-1-10-ratio#latest  

    • Health scaled on 1:7 Ratio
    • Magicka/Stamina scaled on 1:9 Ratio
    • Health Regen scaled on 1:11.5 Ratio
    • Magicka/Stamina Regen scaled on 1:11 Ratio
    • Heavy/Medium Armour scaled on 1:4 Ratio
    • Light Armour scaled on 1:2 Ratio
    • Some mobs health scaled on a 1:7 Ratio
    • Some mobs health scaled on a 1:9 Ratio
    • Max Health Enchants scaled on a 1:5 Ratio
    • Max Magicka/Stamina scaled on a 1:6 Ratio
    • All recovery enchants scaled on a 1:3 Ratio
    • Reduce cost enchants scaled up on a 1:8/9 Ratio
    • Spell Resistance/Armour glyphs scaled on a 1:6 Ratio
    • X resistance Glyphs (eg Fire Resistance) scaled on a 1:2 Ratio
    • Spell/Weapon Damage Glyphs increased on a 1:2 Ratio
    • General Damage enchants for weapons varied between 1:3 and 1:10 Ratio

    I don't quite get the scaling thing. What does it mean?

    They told us a while back that a change they wanted to make was to increase everything by a factor of 10 to, as they said, give the stats more "ganularity."

     

    But what they've done is not that simple. They've simultaneously re-balanced many things, so that very few things are actually just multiplied times 10.

     

    For example if a piece of light armor currently gives you 100 armor and the same level and slot in heavy gives you 300 in the current live version, under 1.6 the light piece will give you 200 and the heavy piece 1200. not the 1000 and 3000 people were expecting if balancing hadn't also happened at the same time.

     

     

    If your health, magicka and stamina are currently all 500, when 1.6 goes live they will be 3500, 4500, 4500 respectively, not the 5000 each a simple multiplication will give you.

     

    That's what the list above and the other details in the linked thread tell you... what number different things are actually being multiplied by. 

     

    The changes of things relative to each other are pretty drastic but at the lower levels, you actually feel slightly more powerful, not less so - and I'm talking about a comparison using no champion points. It's a different story in post-50 silver and gold content, veteran dungeons and Craglorn PVE - you definitely feel more vulnerable while putting out the same or less DPS compared to live even with 70 champion points spent.

     

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by NorseGod

    While my updates are stuck on 79%......

    Am I understanding this right?

    A VR14 will convert to a capped amount of Champion points and these points are account-wide?

    If this is correct:

    Is VR gone?

    Meaning I can just level to 50 and already have capped Champion Points?

    No VR is not gone. The CPs are on top of VR. VR is confirmed to still be part of things at least until June and some of us think that they're backing away from removing them at all. The console release will tell the tale: if it releases with VR ranks, they're not going anywhere.

     

    You only start earning champion points after 50 and everyone is starting with a maximum of 70 (5 X completed VR level... counting all VR-level characters capped at 70). The total number of CPs is 3,600. So no, not capped :)

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  • mugobluemugoblue Member UncommonPosts: 3
    Originally posted by Iselin

    The earliest date for 1.6 on live will be the 23rd. It's still in the PTS this week.

    March 17th is the start of B2P. If your sub carries over beyond that date you'll get a portion of the 1500 monthly crown sub allotment depending on fraction of a month you have left.

    But anyone who bought the game at any time gets 500 crowns + 100 per month subbed automatically added to their account on March 17th. And new players who buy after March 17th get 500 crowns also.

    Has it been stated somewhere that a sub rolling into B2P will only receive a portion of the 1,500 monthly crowns?  From the original post by Zenimax, I read that it's a full 1,500 as long as the remaining sub is between 1 and 30 days "less than 30 days", 3,000 between 31 and 60 and so on.

    "As a current subscriber: If you are an active subscriber when The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited launches, you will receive 500 crowns for having a game account, plus 100 crowns for each 30-day period you have been an active subscriber. In addition, you'll be automatically enrolled in ESO Plus for the remainder of your subscription period. You'll receive the full benefits of membership, and 1500 crowns for each 30-day period remaining on your subscription. For example, if you have 30 days or less remaining, you will receive 1500 crowns. If you have between 30 and 60 days remaining, you will receive 3000 crowns. 60 to 90 days, 4500 crowns."

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by mugoblue
    Originally posted by Iselin

    The earliest date for 1.6 on live will be the 23rd. It's still in the PTS this week.

    March 17th is the start of B2P. If your sub carries over beyond that date you'll get a portion of the 1500 monthly crown sub allotment depending on fraction of a month you have left.

    But anyone who bought the game at any time gets 500 crowns + 100 per month subbed automatically added to their account on March 17th. And new players who buy after March 17th get 500 crowns also.

    Has it been stated somewhere that a sub rolling into B2P will only receive a portion of the 1,500 monthly crowns?  From the original post by Zenimax, I read that it's a full 1,500 as long as the remaining sub is between 1 and 30 days "less than 30 days", 3,000 between 31 and 60 and so on.

    "As a current subscriber: If you are an active subscriber when The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited launches, you will receive 500 crowns for having a game account, plus 100 crowns for each 30-day period you have been an active subscriber. In addition, you'll be automatically enrolled in ESO Plus for the remainder of your subscription period. You'll receive the full benefits of membership, and 1500 crowns for each 30-day period remaining on your subscription. For example, if you have 30 days or less remaining, you will receive 1500 crowns. If you have between 30 and 60 days remaining, you will receive 3000 crowns. 60 to 90 days, 4500 crowns."

    I thought I had seen that but IDK where. You're right though, the support database still says "or less"... so a nice bonus.

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  • BelgaraathBelgaraath Member UncommonPosts: 3,204

    Iselin,

    I stopped playing when update 5 was released because after 3 weeks of testing with Zenimax they couldn't figure out why update 5 caused my PC's FPS to drop from around 60 to 12-20 for 1 1/2 seconds every time I would case my first ability in combat...then it would normalize for the remainder of the fight. They are hopeful that update 6 will get things back to normal for me. Since I'm eventually getting a new PC once Nvidia releases their next high end card (980 ti, Titan 3, who knows), I figured I would just deal with that 1 1/2 second FPS drop and start again once Update 6 is released (hopefully on my bday which is feb 23 :-). 

    Anyway, I have a Vet 1 Dragonknight mage (staff and heal) and a level 37 Sorcerer tank (one hand/shield and heal). I always went against the templates so I wouldn't be copying everyone else. Do you find that update 6 forces you more back into the class templates to be successful (PVP or PVE), or can you still pretty much choose any class template and be whatever role and still be equally successful. I wasn't having fun on the Vet 1 as much as my level 37 sorcerer tank...the first time I've played a tank in any game. Something about the mix of spells and the getting in close and being so resilient appeals to me for the first time :-).

    Your thoughts?

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by keithian

    Iselin,

    I stopped playing when update 5 was released because after 3 weeks of testing with Zenimax they couldn't figure out why update 5 caused my PC's FPS to drop from around 60 to 12-20 for 1 1/2 seconds every time I would case my first ability in combat...then it would normalize for the remainder of the fight. They are hopeful that update 6 will get things back to normal for me. Since I'm eventually getting a new PC once Nvidia releases their next high end card (980 ti, Titan 3, who knows), I figured I would just deal with that 1 1/2 second FPS drop and start again once Update 6 is released (hopefully on my bday which is feb 23 :-). 

    Anyway, I have a Vet 1 Dragonknight mage (staff and heal) and a level 37 Sorcerer tank (one hand/shield and heal). I always went against the templates so I wouldn't be copying everyone else. Do you find that update 6 forces you more back into the class templates to be successful (PVP or PVE), or can you still pretty much choose any class template and be whatever role and still be equally successful. I wasn't having fun on the Vet 1 as much as my level 37 sorcerer tank...the first time I've played a tank in any game. Something about the mix of spells and the getting in close and being so resilient appeals to me for the first time :-).

    Your thoughts?

    I think there is just as much or more potential for non-FOTM builds now but the balancing changes to just about everything including armor values means that things that worked before may no longer work now. I'm not sure if your Sorc Tank was using light armor, since many do currently, but the worth of heavy armor has increased so much relative to light that you may need to make some adjustments.

     

    Everyone gets a full free respec with 1.6. My advice is that you resist the temptation to just quickly choose your same skills and morphs to get playing quickly and take the time to read the new ability descriptions... especially since most or all of the additional buffs some skills provide now have new names...

     

    Which reminds me. I meant to post that list here:

     

    •  
      • Armor buffs
        • Minor Resolve: Small increase to physical resistance.
        • Major Resolve: Larger increase to physical resistance.
      •  
      • Reduce Armor debuffs
        • Minor Fracture: Small decrease to target’s physical resistance.
        • Major Fracture: Larger decrease to the target’s physical resistance.
        •  
      • Spell Resistance buffs
        • Minor Ward: Small increase to spell resist.
        • Major Ward: Larger increase to spell resist.
      •  
      • Reduce Spell Resistance debuffs
        • Minor Breach: Small decrease to target’s spell resist.
        • Major Breach: Larger decrease to target’s spell resist.
      •  
      • Damage Taken buffs
        • Minor Protection: Reduces damage taken by 8%
        • Major Protection: Reduces damage taken by 30%
      •  
      • Dodge buffs
        • Minor Evasion: Increases dodge chance by 5%
        • Major Evasion: Increases dodge chance by 20%
      •  
      • Reduce Damage debuffs
        • Minor Maim: Reduces target’s damage dealt by 15%
        • Major Maim: Reduces target’s damage dealt by 30%
      •  
      • Damage on Next Attack buff
        • Major Empower: Increases damage of next attack by 20%
      •  
      • Weapon Damage buffs
        • Minor Brutality: Increases weapon damage by 5%
        • Major Brutality: Increases weapon damage by 20%
      •  
      • Spell Damage buffs
        • Minor Sorcery: Increases spell damage by 5%
        • Major Sorcery: Increases spell damage by 20%
      •  
      • Critical Damage buffs
        • Minor Force: Increases critical damage amounts by 15%
        • Major Force: Increases critical damage amounts by 40%
      •  
      • Weapon Critical Chance buffs
        • Minor Savagery: Increases weapon critical chance by 3%
        • Major Savagery: Increases weapon critical chance by 10%
      •  
      • Spell Critical Chance buffs
        • Minor Prophecy: Increases spell critical chance by 3%
        • Major Prophecy: Increases spell critical chance by 10%
      •  
      • Healing Done buffs
        • Minor Mending: Increases healing done by 8%
        • Major Mending: Increases healing done by 30%
      •  
      • Healing Taken buffs
        • Minor Vitality: Increases healing taken by 8%
        • Major Vitality: Increases healing taken by 30%
      •  
      • Reduce Healing Taken debuffs
        • Minor Defile: Reduces target’s healing taken by 15%
        • Major Defile: Reduces target’s healing taken by 40%
      •  
      • Reduce Max Health debuffs
        • Minor Mangle: reduces target’s max health by 10%
        • Major Mangle: reduces target’s max health by 40%
      •  
      • Health Recovery buffs
        • Minor Fortitude: increases health recovery by 10%
        • Major Fortitude: increases health recovery by 30%
      •  
      • Magicka Recovery buffs
        • Minor Intellect: Increases magicka recovery by 10%
        • Major Intellect: Increases magicka recovery by 30%
      •  
      • Stamina Recovery buffs
        • Minor Endurance: Increases stamina recovery by 10%
        • Major Endurance: Increases stamina recovery by 30%
      •  
      • Movement Speed buffs
        • Minor Expedition: Increases movement speed by 10%
        • Major Expedition: Increases movement speed by 40%
      •  
      • Ultimate Gain
        • Minor Heroism: Increases Ultimate gain by 1
        • Major Heroism: Increases Ultimate gain by 3
      •  
      • Damage Increase buffs (new)
        • Minor Berserk: Increases all damage done by 8%.
        • Major Berserk: Increases all damage done by 25%.
      •  
      • Damage reduction debuffs (new)
        • Minor Maim: Reduces the damage your target can do by 15%.
        • Major Maim: Reduces the damage your target can do by 30%.
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  • BelgaraathBelgaraath Member UncommonPosts: 3,204
    Thank you. I was wearing heavy armor and putting 1/2 of my points in health and 1/4 in Stamina and 1/4 in Magicka :-).

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  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871
    Originally posted by Iselin

    Animations have gotten a pretty thorough make over and they do seem crisper. Also other things such as inventory management (selling, buying, banking etc.) also seems faster.

     

    The animations of how you hold and attack with different types of weapons in particular, look a lot better now.

     

    If you ignore the music, this is a good video showing the new weapon animations.

    Thx for the link.

    Here's my thoughts:     the music was abhorrent.

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