As stated gender locking is for specific non-humaniods which make sense. I do not understand the reasoning for any of this. Is this Yahoo with a title choice words for clicks? That is basically what I am seeing. No real sources to links of threads, other websites, or anything else that specifically states the major issues with gender locked classes in Crowfall.
Please if you are going to gripe about something on Crowfall, I think the few gender locked classes is the least of the available complaints.
In the MMORPG world gender locked classes are pretty much only found in cheap Asian F2P games. The idea that so many people think it's wildly unreasonable to criticize CF over this is an indication of the hype level CF has reached.
It's also an indication of just how much people refuse to learn from history.
I agree. Gender-locking has never been favored by the majority, or any major western MMO, in recent times. It's mostly been accepted in asian mmo's. People give it a pass, because Crowfall is their "savior". These people will never objectively criticize it. This is why developers get away with bad design decisions, because of people like these.
Oh stop. Now you're just being a pathetic. There is plenty to bitch about when it comes to MMOs. But as long as the feminists get females for all races and the gays get same sex romance arcs then all the little activists are happy right?
They didn't say all races are genderlocked. Just select non human ones. They also have lore reasons for it and they stated budget concerns. If you're so upset about this small little hiccup for this and you want them to change it. You can bust out your wallet and pay the designers to work outside of their time constraints.
Now. Since you're calling them lazy and shit. Let me remind you that they made 1.3 million in their kickstarter. That's 1.3 million to develop an MMO and pay a whole design team worth of people to finish a game in x months. Due to how much their kickstarter made I'm sure their accoutant crunched the numbers and told them they can operate on that for x months and they had to make design changes to provide the game they envision while not giving up the major gameplay mechanics they promised us. So all that got axed was 4 races being male and female out of 12? That's all that they didn't have time to re-write their lore and have all those races animations re-worked and made for the opposite race. I get all the game mechanics they promised and 95% of the game I was expecting?
Yes thank you Artcraft. I'm not like these cunts who think you're Arenanet, Bioware, Trion Worlds, or Blizzard and assume you guys are a big development studio or backed by a massive producer like Bioware and Blizzard. I understand you guys are a small studio trying some new stuff and it looks awesome. And if lore and a few months dictate I have to wait for female deer and male gerbils when you guys release and make some more money to get that done? Well that's ok. I can wait for those and be happy if/when you guys do patch it in. IF not. I'll be happy that most of the races were not genderlocked and respect your decisions you had to make.
I also apologize for these mouthy activist tumblr land whales. They just assume everyone's insulting them if they aren't transgendered same sex asian hispanic black unicorns who are in love with each other and watching non conformist anime. So pay them no heed. They're bitching to bitch because of some imagined slight.
If they want the same ol same ol. I hear WoW hasn't changed in 10+ years and you can just mosey on over there. Mmkay?
The locked genders in POE stopped me from trying out the archer... just doesn't feel right.
Same goes for the Rogue in lé Diablo 1....
Doesn't bother me in moba's though, I suppose there is less attachment to the character there?
The best archer in PoE is not the "archer"... is actually done with the assassin. I have 3 of them... believe me, I know. And... that just shows that people dont quite understand how to spec in PoE lol
It does not matter what the reasoning is behind the gender-locking, since I am a guy I will only play guy characters, thus it prevents me from having access to certain characters/classes which I dislike, but it is not a total deterrent.
Omg! So many ppl that "don't care" about gender locked classes that it's almost funny. Almost. What that means ofcourse is that fanboys/white knights are so aesy to lower their expectasions so low that a developer studio can throw literally anything at them and they'll still be like:" No worries, i'm ok as long as it's in the lore".
Omg! So many ppl that "don't care" about gender locked classes that it's almost funny. Almost. What that means ofcourse is that fanboys/white knights are so aesy to lower their expectasions so low that a developer studio can throw literally anything at them and they'll still be like:" No worries, i'm ok as long as it's in the lore".
Like i said, almost funny......
Don't care... because it concerns only 4 very specific non-human archetypes out of 12.
In general, I don't like gender locked classes. However, there are cases where it would make sense like no female dwarves in LOTRO or any game with an Amazon type class. I can also see where cosmetic choices can be cut to save money for a small indie company. If the game is successful they may have the resources to add it in later.
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Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
In the MMORPG world gender locked classes are pretty much only found in cheap Asian F2P games. The idea that so many people think it's wildly unreasonable to criticize CF over this is an indication of the hype level CF has reached.
It's also an indication of just how much people refuse to learn from history.
I agree. Gender-locking has never been favored by the majority, or any major western MMO, in recent times. It's mostly been accepted in asian mmo's. People give it a pass, because Crowfall is their "savior". These people will never objectively criticize it. This is why developers get away with bad design decisions, because of people like these.
Oh stop. Now you're just being a pathetic. There is plenty to bitch about when it comes to MMOs. But as long as the feminists get females for all races and the gays get same sex romance arcs then all the little activists are happy right?
They didn't say all races are genderlocked. Just select non human ones. They also have lore reasons for it and they stated budget concerns. If you're so upset about this small little hiccup for this and you want them to change it. You can bust out your wallet and pay the designers to work outside of their time constraints.
Now. Since you're calling them lazy and shit. Let me remind you that they made 1.3 million in their kickstarter. That's 1.3 million to develop an MMO and pay a whole design team worth of people to finish a game in x months. Due to how much their kickstarter made I'm sure their accoutant crunched the numbers and told them they can operate on that for x months and they had to make design changes to provide the game they envision while not giving up the major gameplay mechanics they promised us. So all that got axed was 4 races being male and female out of 12? That's all that they didn't have time to re-write their lore and have all those races animations re-worked and made for the opposite race. I get all the game mechanics they promised and 95% of the game I was expecting?
I never called them lazy, so stop that nonsense right now. Maybe you should comprehend, and reread, what i wrote. As i said, it was "bad design decisions" that led them to gender-locking the classes. Perhaps they shouldn't have made so many classes with such a limited budget then. Would you agree with that? Or would you still try to find some excuse for their decisions and poor planning?
Yes thank you Artcraft. I'm not like these cunts who think you're Arenanet, Bioware, Trion Worlds, or Blizzard and assume you guys are a big development studio or backed by a massive producer like Bioware and Blizzard. I understand you guys are a small studio trying some new stuff and it looks awesome. And if lore and a few months dictate I have to wait for female deer and male gerbils when you guys release and make some more money to get that done? Well that's ok. I can wait for those and be happy if/when you guys do patch it in. IF not. I'll be happy that most of the races were not genderlocked and respect your decisions you had to make.
Ah, the desperate attack of a fanboy, that resorts to vulgarity and childish attitudes.
You are the exact customer that companies love, because you accept mediocrity instead of quality effort.
I also apologize for these mouthy activist tumblr land whales. They just assume everyone's insulting them if they aren't transgendered same sex asian hispanic black unicorns who are in love with each other and watching non conformist anime. So pay them no heed. They're bitching to bitch because of some imagined slight.
If they want the same ol same ol. I hear WoW hasn't changed in 10+ years and you can just mosey on over there. Mmkay?
The irony is, Crowfall is a step back from WoW. It's barely in the boundaries of being an MMO. I'm all for non-MMO gameplay and thinking outside the norms, but Crowfall falls very short of even this.
Best to think of this game as Shadowbane 2 and put that into the prism prior to looking to reason why there are gender locked race and classes.
Part of that prism is understanding that the lore matters. The lore was dual reinforcement for directing player behavior to create tension in the game world.
Shadowbane had a heavy portion of the classes as well as races determined by lore when it came to genders and it made sense thematically.
Diablo 2 forced me to play a female spellcaster and as a Sorceress I still kicked ass even though I hoped a patch might bring a male wizard to the mix. The game was still fun and I got over it as did millions of fans.
Today I still generally roll male characters but only recently I rolled some new toons on my Wow acct. that included female versions of the following:
It's nice to have options but if it is indeed a decision based on game lore then just go with it. If Crowfall ends up being a great game why limit yourself to avoiding classes you can't bring yourself to play simply because of gender.
Also one of my biggest hates I personally believe there is no excuse for this other than lazy development. To some people this doesn't matter to others it will be a deal breaker.
To me it is kinda a big deal, first of i like to play as a female char to start with, in most games i find em to look the best and we all know looks is important to many, and i pick classes where i can play as a female and that i like the overall looks of, i dont wanna play a char i cant stand looking at for more then 5mins at a time.
It's always so funny to see how reactions on this site differ so widely depending on the hype train a game is riding.
Normally gender-locking even a fraction of the classes is regarded as universally a bad thing. But as Crowfall is on the hype train, people who complain get reactions like: "Go back to WoW", or "What gender you play is not important."
I do understand why they would save costs on beast races. But if they're going to cut costs on more of those special features without seeing them through to the end, it's gonna end up being problematic.
For a game that goes for niche audiences in the first place, making decisions like this because they think few people will play the races anyhow is not very encouraging.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
It does not matter what the reasoning is behind the gender-locking, since I am a guy I will only play guy characters, thus it prevents me from having access to certain characters/classes which I dislike, but it is not a total deterrent.
I am a guy too. Looking day in and day out at some buff guys ass does not really do it for me. I like to look at women, but that might just be me.
In the end gender locking really isn't an issue for me.
Lorewise, pretty sure we won't see female Stoneborn or male Fae. The Guinecian could arguably be genderless. The Elken & Minotaur - well, I could see females being being added someday but I have no info on that at all.
The melodrama cuts both ways judging from some of the hysterical rants in this thread.
I don't personally care but I wont play a female char either. If that means I don't play their game I wont lose any sleep.
There is no melodrama on forums, though. There are some people who do not like gender lock, but 'ye be warned': developers said that game not for everyone. Besides, that is not the only thing people do not like. For instance Eternal Kingdoms. At least until they were explained, anyway. Why the gender lock became 'disappointing move' is beyond me. I hope it is not some equality thing.
"The Crowfall community isn’t that keen on the idea either"
I like that ArtCraft honest about their game, don't flinch on their decisions. A lot of people on forums do. There are some yes-guys, but mostly those who ask question and offer opinions. And if someone don't like something, that doesn't mean you know that whole community rejects the idea.
Maybe if you present your Crowfall forum handle we would know why you describe it this way. I never meet a single thread that fits your description.
"I am taking a wait and see approach with Crowfall."
Wow. That's new. Teach us how. Also - is there any other option? They are just finishing their Kickstarter campaign.
"A tweet from the Crowfall account made sure to inform that not all archetypes are gender locked, but that just isn’t good enough in 2015."
If you did not notice MMORPGs are not that great these days. There are some good ones. But no way 2015 is better then decade ago.
These locked archetypes - every single one of them - locked for a reason. It is lore-wise reason. Also, things that were good enough for 2003 (Shadowbane) are marvelous for 2015. After 'era of WoW' MMORPGs degraded and now a lot of good things are coming back. I don't see gender-lock as great old mechanic that should be brought to modern days, but if ArtCraft think it is right for their game... Well, I won't cry about 'no male fairies'. I'll just choose another archetype.
If "negative feedback" on a forum is the yardstick the OP wants to use to measure merit, I would like to point out that far more "negative feedback" has been received about this article. Maybe MMORPG.COM should do something about that...
I mean.. since a few dozen people's opinions are so important when it comes to something as inconsequential as gender locking a few classes in a game.. a few dozen people's opinions should hold equal weight about the quality of the articles on this site...
Just sayin'
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Im surprised so many people would rather have the choice of being a different gender, than more content or better and more developed mechanics. Given the choice between gameplay and customisation and I'll always pick gameplay. So what if you can't pick the other gender?! Hows is that in ANY way game breaking? And especially when you know the money would be used in a MUCH better area of the game?
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As stated gender locking is for specific non-humaniods which make sense. I do not understand the reasoning for any of this. Is this Yahoo with a title choice words for clicks? That is basically what I am seeing. No real sources to links of threads, other websites, or anything else that specifically states the major issues with gender locked classes in Crowfall.
Please if you are going to gripe about something on Crowfall, I think the few gender locked classes is the least of the available complaints.
I'm happy to know that Christina Gonzalez biggest disappointment about Crowfall is :
being unable to play a female : Guinea Pig / Deer / Minotaur / Stoneborn
... or a male Fae
QFE!
The best archer in PoE is not the "archer"... is actually done with the assassin. I have 3 of them... believe me, I know. And... that just shows that people dont quite understand how to spec in PoE lol
It does not matter what the reasoning is behind the gender-locking, since I am a guy I will only play guy characters, thus it prevents me from having access to certain characters/classes which I dislike, but it is not a total deterrent.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
Omg! So many ppl that "don't care" about gender locked classes that it's almost funny. Almost. What that means ofcourse is that fanboys/white knights are so aesy to lower their expectasions so low that a developer studio can throw literally anything at them and they'll still be like:" No worries, i'm ok as long as it's in the lore".
Like i said, almost funny......
Don't care... because it concerns only 4 very specific non-human archetypes out of 12.
What's the deal really? OP makes storm out of a tea cup. Have the community really gotten this low? To question on a really trivial matter?
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Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Best to think of this game as Shadowbane 2 and put that into the prism prior to looking to reason why there are gender locked race and classes.
Part of that prism is understanding that the lore matters. The lore was dual reinforcement for directing player behavior to create tension in the game world.
Shadowbane had a heavy portion of the classes as well as races determined by lore when it came to genders and it made sense thematically.
Two male only races: Dwarf, Minotaur.
Two female only classes: Fury, Huntress.
One male only class: Ranger
Today I still generally roll male characters but only recently I rolled some new toons on my Wow acct. that included female versions of the following:
Undead Warlock
Tauren Druid
Pandaren Priest w/tail
It's nice to have options but if it is indeed a decision based on game lore then just go with it. If Crowfall ends up being a great game why limit yourself to avoiding classes you can't bring yourself to play simply because of gender.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
I think that to a large degree this makes sense for a lower-budget game with high goals.
This gives them more time to focus on gameplay, rather than on customization which, to be fair, 90% of the gamer base will ignore very fast.
Calling non-humanoid gender-locked classes a "huge turnoff"? Seriously?
It ends up with stupid looking things anyway - giants with boobs, cows...
Born from blood,
trained to kill,
ready to die,
but never will!
To me it is kinda a big deal, first of i like to play as a female char to start with, in most games i find em to look the best and we all know looks is important to many, and i pick classes where i can play as a female and that i like the overall looks of, i dont wanna play a char i cant stand looking at for more then 5mins at a time.
It's always so funny to see how reactions on this site differ so widely depending on the hype train a game is riding.
Normally gender-locking even a fraction of the classes is regarded as universally a bad thing. But as Crowfall is on the hype train, people who complain get reactions like: "Go back to WoW", or "What gender you play is not important."
I do understand why they would save costs on beast races. But if they're going to cut costs on more of those special features without seeing them through to the end, it's gonna end up being problematic.
For a game that goes for niche audiences in the first place, making decisions like this because they think few people will play the races anyhow is not very encouraging.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I am a guy too. Looking day in and day out at some buff guys ass does not really do it for me. I like to look at women, but that might just be me.
In the end gender locking really isn't an issue for me.
I have found in my lifetime, that the beauty of hating stupid people is, that it crosses all racial boundaries.
The melodrama cuts both ways judging from some of the hysterical rants in this thread.
I don't personally care but I wont play a female char either. If that means I don't play their game I wont lose any sleep.
Lorewise, pretty sure we won't see female Stoneborn or male Fae. The Guinecian could arguably be genderless. The Elken & Minotaur - well, I could see females being being added someday but I have no info on that at all.
There is no melodrama on forums, though. There are some people who do not like gender lock, but 'ye be warned': developers said that game not for everyone. Besides, that is not the only thing people do not like. For instance
Eternal Kingdoms. At least until they were explained, anyway. Why the gender lock became 'disappointing move' is beyond me. I hope it is not some equality thing.
"The Crowfall community isn’t that keen on the idea either"
I like that ArtCraft honest about their game, don't flinch on their decisions. A lot of people on forums do. There are some yes-guys, but mostly those who ask question and offer opinions. And if someone don't like something, that doesn't mean you know that whole community rejects the idea.
Maybe if you present your Crowfall forum handle we would know why you describe it this way. I never meet a single thread that fits your description.
"I am taking a wait and see approach with Crowfall."
Wow. That's new. Teach us how. Also - is there any other option? They are just finishing their Kickstarter campaign.
"A tweet from the Crowfall account made sure to inform that not all archetypes are gender locked, but that just isn’t good enough in 2015."
If you did not notice MMORPGs are not that great these days. There are some good ones. But no way 2015 is better then decade ago.
These locked archetypes - every single one of them - locked for a reason. It is lore-wise reason. Also, things that were good enough for 2003 (Shadowbane) are marvelous for 2015. After 'era of WoW' MMORPGs degraded and now a lot of good things are coming back. I don't see gender-lock as great old mechanic that should be brought to modern days, but if ArtCraft think it is right for their game... Well, I won't cry about 'no male fairies'. I'll just choose another archetype.
But hey, can't speak for everyone.
If "negative feedback" on a forum is the yardstick the OP wants to use to measure merit, I would like to point out that far more "negative feedback" has been received about this article. Maybe MMORPG.COM should do something about that...
I mean.. since a few dozen people's opinions are so important when it comes to something as inconsequential as gender locking a few classes in a game.. a few dozen people's opinions should hold equal weight about the quality of the articles on this site...
Just sayin'
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