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Key thing, you're an outsider that 'thinks' you know everything about the project, what's happening, etc.
The last time I was here and seen the pitchforks being raised so much is when everyone was so adamant about Darkfall being vaporware with no game. Anyone that pointed to the obvious that proved that it wasn't were called shills; idiots; or had some other special interest in 'fooling' this community into believein that Darkfall was vaporware.
Their concerns were legitimate up to a point, but even after it was very well understood and even proven that Darkfall wasn't vaporware, they still clung to it and called out 'scam' when developers started pre-orders.
I'm watching the same ignorant stuff replaying now where people are going from legitimate concerns (the project COULD fail), to it's a scam; the devs are shady; etc.
You're convicting the CIG developers for cvrap that you have no idea on or and gleefully admit to being an outsider on (thus, have no basis in your position).
you're an outsider with no apparent vested interest.. why are you so biased in your opinion?
works both ways.
For someone that invests you sure as heck don't know what an investment vs. a pledge and gift are. How can you think that Kickstarter/game crowdfunding has anything to do with inveswtment? THEY'RE PLEDGES THEN GIFTS:
Per an actual person that knows the LAW and is licensed to practice it, who is also an attorney, with extensive experience working with the game industry:
"Investor is another word people should avoid using when talking about Kickstarter campaigns. Backers are not investors because there is no assumption of risk and no chance of a monetary yield." - Dan Rogers
Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DanRogers/20150309/238279/Understanding_Your_Kickstarter_Liabilities.php
Let me guess. You know more than he does, don't you?
Research: Dunning-Kruger Effect.
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Quick, Derek Smart, -who is developing a competing product and who would benefit by piggybagging off of Star Citizen's current popularity since he has a competing product currently inEarly Access (and receiving Mostly Negative reviews on Steam)- would never make unsubstantiated claims:
Alert the presses, Derek Smart is the only person capable of taking down the supervillain Chris Roberts and his team of villains known as Star Ciitzen as they attempt to take over the world with their evil plans.
This is getting to be about as stupid as the idea that comic-books are real.
I'm seriously face palming here.
Mr Smarts ranting isn't worth repeating. Anyone familiar with his LONG history of related antics, would have simply chuckled, and reached for the pop corn.
Stating that he has little diplomacy (and even less tact) would be the understatement of the century. The evidence to back this is spread all over various forums to this very day.
Just about anyone looking at this non issue, would be struck by the obvious conflict of interest involved.
No doubt Mr. Smart will continue to ride this for all of the publicity its worth. Thats always been his style in the past, and I see no reason to expect that has changed.
My oh my, sure is a lot of hatred and insults and smearing, and a lot of an OP that seems to think he knows an awful lot here, all over a game that isn't anywhere near release, and hell we don't even know IF it will ultimately release, at least not in what form.....
Sorry but all of the arguing over SC is awfully ridiculous guys, none of us knows anything beyond what we read, and we all know that most of that is slanted anyway. For the record though, I would say that Mr. Smart is far from the first person to raise these concerns over SC. I could not possibly care less about the game, but what I see from the outside looking in is a supposed game that is continuing to sell ships (well, at least the concept art for them) while doing little else. I could be wrong about that, but again, such concerns have been stated numerous times over the past couple of years so there's no need for me to resurrect them here.
Jeez guys, if you want to play a space sim, go hop on ED or X3 or something, I mean for God's sake at least you can log in and play, and have an actual GAME to argue about. Sheesh!
"Why would I want to loose a religion upon my people? Religions wreck from within - Empires and individuals alike! It's all the same." - God Emperor of Dune
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So using your past history example, Star Citizen is DOA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Anvil
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/digital-anvil-melted-down/1100-6140687/
Remember past history is important.
Building a MMO isn't simply as showing the next iteration of a MMO. What appears to suck or doesn't seem like much can consist of extremely advanced networking code; pathfinding algorithms; load balance testing; etc. There's tons of 'components' that take hundreds to thousands of man hours to work on that need to be done as an underlining layer that players are unaware that exists. How do you 'show something like that'?
Creating a model that matches today's industry graphical standards can take weeks to model and texture, and as much as several months to fully animate. I've never been involved with ships, but I'm taking an educated guess that they're not as time-consuming as a fully animated, textured monster - but I'm guessing that a fully completed ship model in Star Citizen is a couple weeks of 'modeling, texturing, and animated' minimum. Concept art itself alone can have as much as 10 hours, sometimes more, put into it.
I have not gotten into the fact that getting networking right for a MMO is going to require a network engineer, with extensive knowledge in C++ and Assembly, months (or possibly a few years) to fully implement and get right. And, they'll have to continue to update, extent, tweak, debug and so forth after they get the basics in place.
The level of technical achievement just to get a basic MMO going that looks like dog shit (By people who don't know no better about the backend/networking, and server stuff) is one of the hardest technical achievements that takes considerable time by 'highly skilled' engineers. The vast majority of people that have backed this project most likely doesn't have a grasp on this nor what a prototype is. People are going to want to see some semblance of a finished product without realizing that a lot of that 'finished product' feel is going to come much closer to the actual 'feasible' launch date.
Do you read the links you post? Digital Anvil's Starlancer sold 700k copies. Line of Defense probably won't have 700k worth of playtime by legitimate players. He may have sold that many copies , combined between all his games, over two decades, but I'm not even sure about that.
Starlancer's Metacritic score: 78
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/starlancer
Also, remember, Richard Garriott created Tabula Rasa (a flop), but then not only successfully ran a Kickstarter, but doesn't have too shabby of reviews for that game so far:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/326160/
Meanwhile, Derek Smart is currently working on this:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/266620/
We know, it's the typical we are too dumb to know line. Mr. Smart was right, mismanagement of assets and poor project management, JUST like at Anvil Games.
Careless about game reviews, not relevant.
Do you read?
"...........Delays in the schedule and Microsoft's take over of Digital Anvil gave rise to speculation that Roberts's most promised feature—the dynamic world—would be cut. The concerns were partially realized; the features, although not cut, were reduced, leaving Freelancer with a virtual world that did not live up to the industry's expectations. It presented a static galaxy, where territories of various factions never change despite the groups' frequent raids and attacks on each other....."
Sounds like a repeat.
OP is probably a CIG/RSI employee of some kind. Lol Dude goes pretty in length to defend something he "doesn't" have an interest in. And slams Derek Smart and points that all the negativity that RSI/CIG has received lately is Smart's fault. (Who really vocalized most peoples concerns who are interest or who have backed that DO want answers ) Smart may not be the greatest, smartest or likable individual but he does raise concerns that most NOW want to know.
Random video from random guy. seeking his random 10 minutes of internet fame......................priceless.
Edit:
TLDR: DSmart has no valid points random youtube internet guy does.
lol this guy, SC is built on CryEngine 3 which comes with it's own network code, generally companies don't spend millions of dollars inventing their own network code unless they are developing their own engine.. in this case SC did not, tweaking the code to work for your game is always in your best interests, but with a foundation down it hardly takes as much time as you said.. after working with Unreal 3 engine for a year and a half and seeing it's capabilities etc... i find it hard to believe that SC would need to put a lot of man hours into the network code, especially this early on when there is only really "Ship models" being sold to show for it.
I'm not even going to get into this, but yeah it is actually pretty simple to show if they have been working hundreds of hours into the network code.. for the backend of a game, created on a licensed engine.
Put the servers up and let people login.
Maybe you should go back to work, building your fund generation simulator, don't you have some models to reskin to sell to people?
pretty sure that's your video right... you literally use all the same arguments this guy does
It's not, but I thought that the readers here would enjoy a nice video of Arena Commander (a module that is part of Star Citizen's development currently available to backers).
Oh, my bad, does that shatter the illusion of no progress? I mean, last year, there was no multiplayer or nothing, now it has multiplayer, people posting videos on how teamwork,etc. That's just that component and it appears to be infinitely more popular than Line of Defense already.
No wonder Derek Smart comes off as a jealous, vindictive whining brat that probably is venting frustrating and anger at his inept ability to do anything remotely close to what Chris Roberts has already achieved.
There's an easy answer for why Chris Roberts is simply a better developer than Derek Smart:
MORE TALENT.
Meanwhile, let's find some nice Line of Defense Youtube videos by fans...
*crickets*
you mean the only module released thats a shell of what the game is meant to be while the other modules get put on hold indefinitely?
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/30/8871167/star-citizens-fps-module-delayed-indefinitely
OHHH not to mention you have to pay $60... thats to get into the "alpha" of the module.
then you have to buy the ships to use ontop of it.. again buying alpha ships in an alpha module (not even the whole game, just a space combat simulator in a closed instanced environment)
By that logic Derek Smart is going to tear down CR, steal all of his ideas copy paste them into a game and then call it Alganon's Star Citizen
... Remember past history is important..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yes, Mr. Dunning-Kruger, who knows more about MMO development than Chris Roberts, but doesn't know the difference between investing and pledging then gifting.
Dan Rogers, that attorney and person that practices law, and has been in the gaming industry practicing law, obviously should come and learn a thing or two from you. I mean, in his article, he was clearly mistaken, and I'm glad you cleared that up for me.
Man, I feel so foolish following someone that knows the law and the gaming industry from a legal perspective instead of you.
Thanks!