I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
Thanks for the update, guess I'll be picking up my 1st copy of the NYT ever.
I think most people defending star citizen, probably spent money on it and feel like they must defend it.
How many games on mmorpg.com have been so hyped up to utter failure? But people here denied it, hid their head in the sand and went "LALALA can't hear you, I'll just call you TROLL"
Vanguard saga of heroes
Mortal Online
Darkfall
Wildstar Online
Just to name a few of the big ones that I'm aware of.
Maybe star citizen will be the greatest game ever. But, there is no evidence to prove either way until any investigation happens (if there ever is one)
But, it is very suspicious the guy behind star citizen hired his wife and family members...
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
You must be getting quite a kick out of being on the other side of an over-promising and under-delivering flame war for once. But dude... seriously... you're playing the race card? WTF?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
All CIG has to do is answer a short list of 8 demands? That is all. What is so unreasonable about that? And there would be no lawsuit if they did that. As matter of fact, this would all just go away and CIG can continue on their way to developing the game peacefully. Not only that, it would probably garner them so much in terms of good relations PR that they would probably receive a substantial increase in contributions as a result. The fact that CIG is refusing to answer to those 8 questions is an admission of guilt in and of itself. Particularly when taking into account best and worst case scenarios. Alas, it's not looking good for CIG at this point. And it is all of their own doing.
Sure that may be what the backers want and all that backers want... I highly doubt that's where Smart would stop though.
It shouldn't be all that hard to create a contract with both Derek's and CIG lawyers that would state that the money he is putting up is to be used only for the purpose of hiring a forensic accountant in order to see if there has been any financial mismanagement and if there has what scale it is. There could be a clause that says this 1m does not entitle him to any stake in the company or allow him to dictate terms or make demands on the basis that he used 1m of his own cash to hire these people. If he refuses to sign then you know exactly where it's headed
Please provide a valid reason why Chris Roberts should have any dealings with Derek Smart on any level? In the 25 years of game development I wouldn't be surprised if all of Derek Smart's games combined haven't sold as much as Starlancer ALONE (700k copies). Derek Smart is playing people. I'm floored anyone is falling for it.
I think most people defending star citizen, probably spent money on it and feel like they must defend it.
How many games on mmorpg.com have been so hyped up to utter failure? But people here denied it, hid their head in the sand and went "LALALA can't hear you, I'll just call you TROLL"
Vanguard saga of heroes
Mortal Online
Darkfall
Wildstar Online
Just to name a few of the big ones that I'm aware of.
Maybe star citizen will be the greatest game ever. But, there is no evidence to prove either way until any investigation happens (if there ever is one)
But, it is very suspicious the guy behind star citizen hired his wife and family members...
I honestly think many (most?) people see it as Roberts (Good) vs Smart (Evil) and Roberts could not possibly be doing anything wrong/unethical/illegal. Keep in mind this is similar to when Roberts was CEO of Digital Advil for 4 years. The studio released nothing and needed "rescued" via Microsoft $.
I've posted this before, it's from 15 years ago. Ask yourself what does this sound like:
Chris Roberts "a bit too ambitious" Wing Commander designer talks about his departure from Digital Anvil as the company is bought out by Microsoft.
Source - GameSpot and IGN
"In the wake of the collapse of Digital Anvil, co-founder and soon-to-be-former CEO Chris Roberts has spoken about his decision to leave the company he founded just four years ago. As we suspected, the company's troubles were down to "wanting to develop not only hugely ambitious games, but too many hugely ambitious games", leaving the company's finances stretched after four years without a single game being released - the sole title to emerge with the Digital Anvil name on it was actually mostly developed by a small British company.
Having left the monolithic corporate world that is Electronic Arts almost five years ago to found Digital Anvil in the first place, it is somewhat ironic that his dream development studio is now being taken over by the monolithic corporate world that is Microsoft, and Roberts has confirmed that his decision to leave the company is simply because he has no desire to find himself in the same situation again........."
To me it's quite clear that CIG chose the Kickstarter route to be free from the "usual" accountability of investors and management despite Digital Advil going under from bad management.
Also Roberts in that above link from 2012 said:
“Our purpose today,” said Roberts, “is to allow our fans to join us in this process early. It will likely be another two years before the full product is ready for release, but early backers will be able to play a version of the game a year from now."
And that is with CIG needing 20 million (at 85 million) to complete the game for a Nov 2014 estimated release date (missed) via Kickstarter. I got it, software is software but remember CGI themselves gave the money and time estimates to the public, they met neither but since it's KS funded - who cares seems to be a common response. It boggles my mind that after Greed Monger and 38 Studios there is a blind eye to $85 million in funding. There is an old saying "if you want to keep Government out of your business, police yourselves."
Also listened to the entire DSmart podcast here on MMORPG.com, and it made complete sense to me and I'm in the healthcare field. My wife says I'm not the smartest tool in the shed.................but something doesn't add up.
All CIG has to do is answer a short list of 8 demands? That is all. What is so unreasonable about that? And there would be no lawsuit if they did that. As matter of fact, this would all just go away and CIG can continue on their way to developing the game peacefully. Not only that, it would probably garner them so much in terms of good relations PR that they would probably receive a substantial increase in contributions as a result. The fact that CIG is refusing to answer to those 8 questions is an admission of guilt in and of itself. Particularly when taking into account best and worst case scenarios. Alas, it's not looking good for CIG at this point. And it is all of their own doing.
Sure that may be what the backers want and all that backers want... I highly doubt that's where Smart would stop though.
It shouldn't be all that hard to create a contract with both Derek's and CIG lawyers that would state that the money he is putting up is to be used only for the purpose of hiring a forensic accountant in order to see if there has been any financial mismanagement and if there has what scale it is. There could be a clause that says this 1m does not entitle him to any stake in the company or allow him to dictate terms or make demands on the basis that he used 1m of his own cash to hire these people. If he refuses to sign then you know exactly where it's headed
Please provide a valid reason why Chris Roberts should have any dealings with Derek Smart on any level? In the 25 years of game development I wouldn't be surprised if all of Derek Smart's games combined haven't sold as much as Starlancer ALONE (700k copies). Derek Smart is playing people. I'm floored anyone is falling for it.
I'm floored after 3 days you still can't comprehend that Starlancer was developed by Warthog PLC and released due to Microsoft dollars or it would have been vaporware.
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
If you're wrong (and I'd be surprised if you're not wrong) you haven't burnt any bridges in the game industry; you've NUKED them.
Your very 'public' and very 'vitriol' smear campaign of Chris Roberts and CIG has crossed from 'concern' to an obvious attempt at sabotaging another company. People who are following you know no better. I've listened to your podcast with MMORPG.com, and I'm not sure if you're purposely being deceitful with your description of the tech behind Star Citizen or you simply don't have the skill level to work with that tech. My educated guess is the latter.
The difference between you and Chris Roberts is you're only capable of creating bargain bin level games while Chris Roberts has produced critically acclaim games. That must burn you up inside to the point you have to go on what I believe you know is a witch hunt in your OBVIOUS attempt at sabotaging someone else's game.
You make me and a lot of my friends in the gaming industry sick.
Really?! Do people really not understand that development on huge projects, like "Star Citizen" take time (5 - 10 years).
Please remember that when you are "Backing" or "Donating" money to SC, you're helping to create a NEW PROJECT, not something that already exists! That even may include changes and/or delays that could occur...
"The Estimated Delivery Date is the creator’s estimate. The date listed on each reward is the creator’s estimate of when they will provide the reward — not a guarantee to be fulfilled by that date. The schedule may change as the creator works on the project. We ask creators to think carefully, set a date they feel confident they can work toward, and communicate with backers about any changes."
For the image above:
I don't see proof here indicating a release in November; it does say "On Launch" and even "Upon Release." How does this relate to a given date?
No, people don't understand... and that's the problem for KickStarter. It's one thing to invest in a project when you are a proper investor, can understand the risk, and can (legally) be a party to a contract.
KickStarter allows anyone to 'invest' in anything. Not to mention some of those 'investments' look more like an online shop lately.
ToS will not stand up to any serious legal challenge. It's just a matter of time...
I think most people defending star citizen, probably spent money on it and feel like they must defend it.
How many games on mmorpg.com have been so hyped up to utter failure? But people here denied it, hid their head in the sand and went "LALALA can't hear you, I'll just call you TROLL"
Vanguard saga of heroes
Mortal Online
Darkfall
Wildstar Online
Just to name a few of the big ones that I'm aware of.
Maybe star citizen will be the greatest game ever. But, there is no evidence to prove either way until any investigation happens (if there ever is one)
But, it is very suspicious the guy behind star citizen hired his wife and family members...
I honestly think many (most?) people see it as Roberts (Good) vs Smart (Evil) and Roberts could not possibly be doing anything wrong/unethical/illegal. Keep in mind this is similar to when Roberts was CEO of Digital Advil for 4 years. The studio released nothing and needed "rescued" via Microsoft $.
thing doesn't add up.
The only people who would think like that are folks who are blindly obsessive one way or the other... I hardly think that's many, surely not most.. Good vs evil is a generic concept, it's one guy in the business vs another, nothing more nothing less. Who is good or who is evil should have no bearing here, neither party is representative of those concepts.
For many I doubt it's a matter of defending Star Citizen, it certainly isn't for me, as that means possibly blindly defending any wrong doing they may have taken part in.
What it really boils down to is a matter of perspective, and not rushing to judgement, that's what Smart obviously expects people to do. While backers may be raising questions, Smart is making judgements, before any real facts are in (he's also trying to persuade people to do that along with him), now he's going as far as demonizing any who questions him, or his motive. A strong arm tactic to force conformity to his judgement.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I think most people defending star citizen, probably spent money on it and feel like they must defend it.
How many games on mmorpg.com have been so hyped up to utter failure? But people here denied it, hid their head in the sand and went "LALALA can't hear you, I'll just call you TROLL"
Vanguard saga of heroes
Mortal Online
Darkfall
Wildstar Online
Just to name a few of the big ones that I'm aware of.
Maybe star citizen will be the greatest game ever. But, there is no evidence to prove either way until any investigation happens (if there ever is one)
But, it is very suspicious the guy behind star citizen hired his wife and family members...
I honestly think many (most?) people see it as Roberts (Good) vs Smart (Evil) and Roberts could not possibly be doing anything wrong/unethical/illegal. Keep in mind this is similar to when Roberts was CEO of Digital Advil for 4 years. The studio released nothing and needed "rescued" via Microsoft $.
thing doesn't add up.
The only people who would think like that are folks who are blindly obsessive one way or the other... I hardly think that's many, surely not most.. Good vs evil is a generic concept, it's one guy in the business vs another, nothing more nothing less. Who is good or who is evil should have no bearing here, neither party is representative of those concepts.
For many I doubt it's a matter of defending Star Citizen, it certainly isn't for me, as that means possibly blindly defending any wrong doing they may have taken part in.
What it really boils down to is a matter of perspective, and not rushing to judgement, that's what Smart obviously expects people to do. While backers may be raising questions, Smart is making judgements, before any real facts are in.
I'm gonna say I think DSmart has more "facts" than we know about and the other side could make this all go away tomorrow with "facts."
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
Looking forward to reading it Mr. Smart
It is very simple. They try to discredit the messenger so as to drown the message.
What "message:? All I see are a lot of unwarranted accusations, baseless demands, and the howling of the publicity seeking.
*Try* to discredit?? You do realize that this is Derek Smart? The man tends to make an art form of discrediting himself, when ever he opens his mouth. Anyone who does even some basic research into his past antics knows that.
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft who then fired CEO Roberts?
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
Looking forward to reading it Mr. Smart
It is very simple. They try to discredit the messenger so as to drown the message.
I agree, problem for them is trying to ko the messenger isn't working. They can't come with anything new, the Mr Smart made bad games is all used up so now it's about trying to convince the rational person that he is wrong to believe Mr Smart.
Thing is there is nothing to belive only questions that should be answered by Chris & Co.
The longer it goes on with Chris & Co hiding behind there foot soldiers the more it really does seem they have something to hide.
I reckon they are working night & day to try and divert this at Gamescom. I can't wait to go see them in kolne.
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft who then fired CEO Roberts?
Just an FYI, all the money CIG received is CIG's money at this point. Their only obligation is to use that money to develop a game that they advertised through crowdfunding to the best of their ability. EVEN IF Star Citizen fails and all the money is gone, if they used that money towards creating Star Citizen then there's nothing anyone who has pledged and then gifted to the project can do.
Now, can you, Derek Smart, or anyone provide 'proof' that the money isn't being used for its intended purpose?
No, well good luck getting the FTC to investigate based upon 'instinct' (or gut feeling), and good luck getting a court to not toss this nonsense out because Derek Smart has some 'instinct' (or a gut feeling) this is going down.
I'm convinced that Derek Smart 'thinks' he'll somehow take over Star Citizen.
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft?
I notice that you want to focus on Digital Anvil, rather than his work at Origins Systems. Or his various other projects.
Given the very complex nature of these projects, its hardly surprising that mistakes get made, and pile up. Not everyone has both the creative vision and talent to create great games, and the management experience/expertise required to go with it. At least not initially.
From all indications, things are going about as well as can be expected when dealing with such a wide spread and complex project. Only time will tell how things work out, but I have a great deal more faith in having Chris Roberts involved, than I'd have if Mr Smart was up to his usual antics. One has only to examine his past history to know why.
I agree, problem for them is trying to ko the messenger isn't working. They can't come with anything new, the Mr Smart made bad games is all used up so now it's about trying to convince the rational person that he is wrong to believe Mr Smart.
Thing is there is nothing to belive only questions that should be answered by Chris & Co.
The longer it goes on with Chris & Co hiding behind there foot soldiers the more it really does seem they have something to hide.
I reckon they are working night & day to try and divert this at Gamescom. I can't wait to go see them in kolne.
No, folks who keep claiming this isn't about Derek Smart, have done an awful job at understanding what is being leveraged at him, I wonder why that is...maybe you should listen for a change?. It's not about discrediting Mr.Smart... sure for hardcore fanbois that may be it, there's a lot more people than that doing one thing... Asking why we should believe Derek Smart and rush to judgement, we're asking what makes this case different than all of those in the past?
There are a lot of people sharing their concerns of Smarts history. You really think they're all either blind haters or blind fanbois? Get real...
Backer concerns and Mr Smart are two different things, few are attacking backers.. few are saying they don't have legitimate concerns... That is not the problem... People don't like exploitation, that's his repertoire, has been for a long time.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This "he's just the messenger" crap went out the window when Derek Smart put a million dollar bounty on Chris Robert's head. No more of that nonsense please. This has been a vicious attack campaign against his chosen target, and there is nothing else to say on that account. Anyone who claims that this is all in good faith and on the up and up looks quite the fool at this point.
This is Derek Smart's last big gamble before final irrelevance. He may think he has nothing to lose but after this slimy, underhanded behavior he will be done. This anti-social behavior will not slip by people anymore, and it will be his final ruin.
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft who then fired CEO Roberts?
Just an FYI, all the money CIG received is CIG's money at this point. Their only obligation is to use that money to develop a game that they advertised through crowdfunding to the best of their ability. EVEN IF Star Citizen fails and all the money is gone, if they used that money towards creating Star Citizen then there's nothing anyone who has pledged and then gifted to the project.
Now, can you, Derek Smart, or anyone provide 'proof' that the money isn't being used for its intended purpose?
No, well good luck getting the FTC to investigate based upon 'instinct' (or gut feeling), and good luck getting a court to not toss this nonsense out because Derek Smart has some 'instinct' (or a gut feeling) this is going down.
I'm convinced that Derek Smart 'thinks' he'll somehow take over Star Citizen.
Where is the $20 million dollar as advertised product Mr Roberts said in 2012 that would have a ship date of November 2014?
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft?
I notice that you want to focus on Digital Anvil, rather than his work at Origins Systems. Or his various other projects.
Given the very complex nature of these projects, its hardly surprising that mistakes get made, and pile up. Not everyone has both the creative vision and talent to create great games, and the management experience/expertise required to go with it. At least not initially.
From all indications, things are going about as well as can be expected when dealing with such a wide spread and complex project. Only time will tell how things work out, but I have a great deal more faith in having Chris Roberts involved, than I'd have if Mr Smart was up to his usual antics. One has only to examine his past history to know why.
He made a great game series with Origins Systems management (aka suits) looking over him and has done nothing since including his various other projects which where saved via Microsoft money. Even his movies sucked.
This "he's just the messenger" crap went out the window when Derek Smart put a million dollar bounty on Chris Robert's head. No more of that nonsense please. This has been a vicious attack campaign against his chosen target, and there is nothing else to say on that account. Anyone who claims that this is all in good faith and on the up and up looks quite the fool at this point.
This is Derek Smart's last big gamble before final irrelevance. He may think he has nothing to lose but after this slimy, underhanded behavior he will be done. This anti-social behavior will not slip by people anymore, and it will be his final ruin.
I agree, if anything he is saying is true then all he would have to do is let RSI hang themselves, he did get a refund after all. Seems he has a personal vendetta for whatever reason.
This "he's just the messenger" crap went out the window when Derek Smart put a million dollar bounty on Chris Robert's head. No more of that nonsense please. This has been a vicious attack campaign against his chosen target, and there is nothing else to say on that account. Anyone who claims that this is all in good faith and on the up and up looks quite the fool at this point.
This is Derek Smart's last big gamble before final irrelevance. He may think he has nothing to lose but after this slimy, underhanded behavior he will be done. This anti-social behavior will not slip by people anymore, and it will be his final ruin.
I agree, if anything he is saying is true then all he would have to do is let RSI hang themselves, he did get a refund after all. Seems he has a personal vendetta for whatever reason.
This "he's just the messenger" crap went out the window when Derek Smart put a million dollar bounty on Chris Robert's head. No more of that nonsense please. This has been a vicious attack campaign against his chosen target, and there is nothing else to say on that account. Anyone who claims that this is all in good faith and on the up and up looks quite the fool at this point.
This is Derek Smart's last big gamble before final irrelevance. He may think he has nothing to lose but after this slimy, underhanded behavior he will be done. This anti-social behavior will not slip by people anymore, and it will be his final ruin.
I agree, if anything he is saying is true then all he would have to do is let RSI hang themselves, he did get a refund after all. Seems he has a personal vendetta for whatever reason.
That has crossed my mind as well. Yet I always end up thinking of the counter, he could argue under the pretense that he really cares that people might still fund a scam so he wants it to end now.... Yet that's where all of this other stuff kicks in, ending in a final thought of would Smart really care about that?
It would simply be great to be able to say to myself, this is a guy crusading for all of us, he's stepping in front of the big bad to protect what is left of integrity in the gaming business... He's made that very hard to do...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am going to make a single post to say that, once the mainstream media who have informed me that they are doing their investigations, start doing their own reporting, these people will - hopefully - stop making this about me.
The fact is this - and I want all of you to remember this - I will be 100% vindicated when the truth comes out. No question about it.
And when that happens, we can all sit back and ponder what has gone on here, and why people have found it necessary (race, jealousy, what?) to attack me, while trying to completely deflect from the questions being asked.
It is only a matter of time. I am right. And I will be vindicated.
You think the White Knights are pissed now? Wait till my NY Times ad article goes up. Then we'll see.
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft who then fired CEO Roberts?
Just an FYI, all the money CIG received is CIG's money at this point. Their only obligation is to use that money to develop a game that they advertised through crowdfunding to the best of their ability. EVEN IF Star Citizen fails and all the money is gone, if they used that money towards creating Star Citizen then there's nothing anyone who has pledged and then gifted to the project.
Now, can you, Derek Smart, or anyone provide 'proof' that the money isn't being used for its intended purpose?
No, well good luck getting the FTC to investigate based upon 'instinct' (or gut feeling), and good luck getting a court to not toss this nonsense out because Derek Smart has some 'instinct' (or a gut feeling) this is going down.
I'm convinced that Derek Smart 'thinks' he'll somehow take over Star Citizen.
Where is the $20 million dollar as advertised product Mr Roberts said in 2012 that would have a ship date of November 2014?
You're reading WAY TOO MUCH into Derek Smart's misleading message. There's a thing in crowdfunding called funding goals. Once a game reaches a goal this means new features and tech. The game soared way past initial funding goals. So, Chris Roberts and his team decided that the 'scope' of the game should expand to reflect the popularity and funding level.
Essentially, what I'm seeing from Derek Smart is the following:
Chris Robert promised us at least a sailboat, got funding for a battleship, then expanded the scope to a battleship, but I want my SAILBOAT! How dare he adjust the planning and technology development, budgeting, and what not to reflect the popularity and funding level.
Can you not see why the argument here is ridiculous?
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Thanks for the update, guess I'll be picking up my 1st copy of the NYT ever.
I think most people defending star citizen, probably spent money on it and feel like they must defend it.
How many games on mmorpg.com have been so hyped up to utter failure? But people here denied it, hid their head in the sand and went "LALALA can't hear you, I'll just call you TROLL"
Vanguard saga of heroes
Mortal Online
Darkfall
Wildstar Online
Just to name a few of the big ones that I'm aware of.
Maybe star citizen will be the greatest game ever. But, there is no evidence to prove either way until any investigation happens (if there ever is one)
But, it is very suspicious the guy behind star citizen hired his wife and family members...
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
You must be getting quite a kick out of being on the other side of an over-promising and under-delivering flame war for once. But dude... seriously... you're playing the race card? WTF?
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Please provide a valid reason why Chris Roberts should have any dealings with Derek Smart on any level? In the 25 years of game development I wouldn't be surprised if all of Derek Smart's games combined haven't sold as much as Starlancer ALONE (700k copies). Derek Smart is playing people. I'm floored anyone is falling for it.
I honestly think many (most?) people see it as Roberts (Good) vs Smart (Evil) and Roberts could not possibly be doing anything wrong/unethical/illegal. Keep in mind this is similar to when Roberts was CEO of Digital Advil for 4 years. The studio released nothing and needed "rescued" via Microsoft $.
I've posted this before, it's from 15 years ago. Ask yourself what does this sound like:
Published 06/12/2000
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/article_29857
Chris Roberts "a bit too ambitious" Wing Commander designer talks about his departure from Digital Anvil as the company is bought out by Microsoft.
Source - GameSpot and IGN
"In the wake of the collapse of Digital Anvil, co-founder and soon-to-be-former CEO Chris Roberts has spoken about his decision to leave the company he founded just four years ago. As we suspected, the company's troubles were down to "wanting to develop not only hugely ambitious games, but too many hugely ambitious games", leaving the company's finances stretched after four years without a single game being released - the sole title to emerge with the Digital Anvil name on it was actually mostly developed by a small British company.
Having left the monolithic corporate world that is Electronic Arts almost five years ago to found Digital Anvil in the first place, it is somewhat ironic that his dream development studio is now being taken over by the monolithic corporate world that is Microsoft, and Roberts has confirmed that his decision to leave the company is simply because he has no desire to find himself in the same situation again........."
Read this gem from 2012:
http://www.bluesnews.com/s/135867/chris-roberts-star-citizen-announced
To me it's quite clear that CIG chose the Kickstarter route to be free from the "usual" accountability of investors and management despite Digital Advil going under from bad management.
Also Roberts in that above link from 2012 said:
“Our purpose today,” said Roberts, “is to allow our fans to join us in this process early. It will likely be another two years before the full product is ready for release, but early backers will be able to play a version of the game a year from now."
And that is with CIG needing 20 million (at 85 million) to complete the game for a Nov 2014 estimated release date (missed) via Kickstarter. I got it, software is software but remember CGI themselves gave the money and time estimates to the public, they met neither but since it's KS funded - who cares seems to be a common response. It boggles my mind that after Greed Monger and 38 Studios there is a blind eye to $85 million in funding. There is an old saying "if you want to keep Government out of your business, police yourselves."
Also listened to the entire DSmart podcast here on MMORPG.com, and it made complete sense to me and I'm in the healthcare field. My wife says I'm not the smartest tool in the shed.................but something doesn't add up.
I'm floored after 3 days you still can't comprehend that Starlancer was developed by Warthog PLC and released due to Microsoft dollars or it would have been vaporware.
Maybe Derek Smart should be investigated for his abject failures and lack of accountability when it comes to money people gave him for projects.
Projection is a common tactic of the sociopath.
If you're wrong (and I'd be surprised if you're not wrong) you haven't burnt any bridges in the game industry; you've NUKED them.
Your very 'public' and very 'vitriol' smear campaign of Chris Roberts and CIG has crossed from 'concern' to an obvious attempt at sabotaging another company. People who are following you know no better. I've listened to your podcast with MMORPG.com, and I'm not sure if you're purposely being deceitful with your description of the tech behind Star Citizen or you simply don't have the skill level to work with that tech. My educated guess is the latter.
The difference between you and Chris Roberts is you're only capable of creating bargain bin level games while Chris Roberts has produced critically acclaim games. That must burn you up inside to the point you have to go on what I believe you know is a witch hunt in your OBVIOUS attempt at sabotaging someone else's game.
You make me and a lot of my friends in the gaming industry sick.
No, people don't understand... and that's the problem for KickStarter. It's one thing to invest in a project when you are a proper investor, can understand the risk, and can (legally) be a party to a contract.
KickStarter allows anyone to 'invest' in anything. Not to mention some of those 'investments' look more like an online shop lately.
ToS will not stand up to any serious legal challenge. It's just a matter of time...
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
The only people who would think like that are folks who are blindly obsessive one way or the other... I hardly think that's many, surely not most.. Good vs evil is a generic concept, it's one guy in the business vs another, nothing more nothing less. Who is good or who is evil should have no bearing here, neither party is representative of those concepts.
For many I doubt it's a matter of defending Star Citizen, it certainly isn't for me, as that means possibly blindly defending any wrong doing they may have taken part in.
What it really boils down to is a matter of perspective, and not rushing to judgement, that's what Smart obviously expects people to do. While backers may be raising questions, Smart is making judgements, before any real facts are in (he's also trying to persuade people to do that along with him), now he's going as far as demonizing any who questions him, or his motive. A strong arm tactic to force conformity to his judgement.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm gonna say I think DSmart has more "facts" than we know about and the other side could make this all go away tomorrow with "facts."
"Single post"? Promises, promises... ^^
Mr Smart, lets just say that you have had a "colorful" past history, and anyone familiar with your antics over the last 20+ years, automatically discounts both your sincerity as well as your motivations.
Chris Roberts on the other hand, has a demonstrated track record, and has been very open with the operation of Star Citizen. But I suspect no amount of transparency would be sufficient for some...
Knowing what a full page ad in the NYT costs,I look forward to seeing you waste that amount of money for your personal tilting at wind mills.
What "message:? All I see are a lot of unwarranted accusations, baseless demands, and the howling of the publicity seeking.
*Try* to discredit?? You do realize that this is Derek Smart? The man tends to make an art form of discrediting himself, when ever he opens his mouth. Anyone who does even some basic research into his past antics knows that.
At least it's his money being wasted, also what did Mr Roberts do at Digital Advil for 4 years besides drive a company into the ground via mismanagement only to be bought out by Microsoft who then fired CEO Roberts?
See my post #232.
I agree, problem for them is trying to ko the messenger isn't working. They can't come with anything new, the Mr Smart made bad games is all used up so now it's about trying to convince the rational person that he is wrong to believe Mr Smart.
Thing is there is nothing to belive only questions that should be answered by Chris & Co.
The longer it goes on with Chris & Co hiding behind there foot soldiers the more it really does seem they have something to hide.
I reckon they are working night & day to try and divert this at Gamescom. I can't wait to go see them in kolne.
Just an FYI, all the money CIG received is CIG's money at this point. Their only obligation is to use that money to develop a game that they advertised through crowdfunding to the best of their ability. EVEN IF Star Citizen fails and all the money is gone, if they used that money towards creating Star Citizen then there's nothing anyone who has pledged and then gifted to the project can do.
Now, can you, Derek Smart, or anyone provide 'proof' that the money isn't being used for its intended purpose?
No, well good luck getting the FTC to investigate based upon 'instinct' (or gut feeling), and good luck getting a court to not toss this nonsense out because Derek Smart has some 'instinct' (or a gut feeling) this is going down.
I'm convinced that Derek Smart 'thinks' he'll somehow take over Star Citizen.
I read your post. My remarks stand.
I notice that you want to focus on Digital Anvil, rather than his work at Origins Systems. Or his various other projects.
Given the very complex nature of these projects, its hardly surprising that mistakes get made, and pile up. Not everyone has both the creative vision and talent to create great games, and the management experience/expertise required to go with it. At least not initially.
From all indications, things are going about as well as can be expected when dealing with such a wide spread and complex project. Only time will tell how things work out, but I have a great deal more faith in having Chris Roberts involved, than I'd have if Mr Smart was up to his usual antics. One has only to examine his past history to know why.
No, folks who keep claiming this isn't about Derek Smart, have done an awful job at understanding what is being leveraged at him, I wonder why that is...maybe you should listen for a change?. It's not about discrediting Mr.Smart... sure for hardcore fanbois that may be it, there's a lot more people than that doing one thing... Asking why we should believe Derek Smart and rush to judgement, we're asking what makes this case different than all of those in the past?
There are a lot of people sharing their concerns of Smarts history. You really think they're all either blind haters or blind fanbois? Get real...
Backer concerns and Mr Smart are two different things, few are attacking backers.. few are saying they don't have legitimate concerns... That is not the problem... People don't like exploitation, that's his repertoire, has been for a long time.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This "he's just the messenger" crap went out the window when Derek Smart put a million dollar bounty on Chris Robert's head. No more of that nonsense please. This has been a vicious attack campaign against his chosen target, and there is nothing else to say on that account. Anyone who claims that this is all in good faith and on the up and up looks quite the fool at this point.
This is Derek Smart's last big gamble before final irrelevance. He may think he has nothing to lose but after this slimy, underhanded behavior he will be done. This anti-social behavior will not slip by people anymore, and it will be his final ruin.
Where is the $20 million dollar as advertised product Mr Roberts said in 2012 that would have a ship date of November 2014?
He made a great game series with Origins Systems management (aka suits) looking over him and has done nothing since including his various other projects which where saved via Microsoft money. Even his movies sucked.
I agree, if anything he is saying is true then all he would have to do is let RSI hang themselves, he did get a refund after all. Seems he has a personal vendetta for whatever reason.
Yeah I scratch my head over that also.
/shrugs
That has crossed my mind as well. Yet I always end up thinking of the counter, he could argue under the pretense that he really cares that people might still fund a scam so he wants it to end now.... Yet that's where all of this other stuff kicks in, ending in a final thought of would Smart really care about that?
It would simply be great to be able to say to myself, this is a guy crusading for all of us, he's stepping in front of the big bad to protect what is left of integrity in the gaming business... He's made that very hard to do...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You're reading WAY TOO MUCH into Derek Smart's misleading message. There's a thing in crowdfunding called funding goals. Once a game reaches a goal this means new features and tech. The game soared way past initial funding goals. So, Chris Roberts and his team decided that the 'scope' of the game should expand to reflect the popularity and funding level.
Essentially, what I'm seeing from Derek Smart is the following:
Chris Robert promised us at least a sailboat, got funding for a battleship, then expanded the scope to a battleship, but I want my SAILBOAT! How dare he adjust the planning and technology development, budgeting, and what not to reflect the popularity and funding level.
Can you not see why the argument here is ridiculous?