All i see is more of the same old not very exciting at all.
The game carries VERY little value as a mmo,i see it as simply trying to cash in on added subscriptions as an extra cash grab.It pretty much is 99% a single player game.
They have not improved the graphics at all,same old low poly textures.Combat is still pew pew and boring.
Even it's force fields are incredibly cheap looking,seriously 15 years ago we had better animated textures being used,i know because i was working with them in the Unreal engine.All Bioware did was toss in some cheap solid red horizontal lines,a very poor effort and to me that is what i see all throughout the game.
What i saw from day 1 was they did not do any creating of a NEW game,all; they did was basically repeat KOTOR and add in a mmo tag that as i stated has VERY little value.SO was KOTOR any good?Well initially i was a bit intrigued well like most Star Wars fans,JUST because it was a SW's game.However just as now in SWTOR i got bored rather quickly,like about a couple weeks in and i never went back to play it anymore.So to me Bioware has not improved it's game design one bit since KOTOR and to me it is not good enough.
As to Bill's statement on being happy for others enjoying a game ummm i had to laugh.There are likely 200 million gamer's ,we don't exactly have time to worry about what is good for other gamer's or weather the other 200 million are all happy.No this is about pushing developers to put out a better effort,something i EXPECT a developer to do after all they are selling us a product,they want us to buy their product so they do NEED to convince us.As i stated Bioware has not improved one bit on their game design since KOTOR and then it is about weather or not you think that is good enough....i don't.
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If SWTOR is more or less single player game now and it has the quality of KOTOR I might be interested. But just as a B2P game for a reasonable price. Not with the current P2P model or the F2P model which just has too many restrictions. As an MMO which would justify P2P it failed imo.
If Swtor is Kotor 3 and not an mmo I am all in and is probably better than any mmo Bioware would make. But only if it goes the B2P route. I am not paying a sub fee for a massive single player rpg.
We're celebrating a game that was already criticized for being too solo-oriented for moving even more towards being a single-player game? There's a reason I'm not sanguine about the MMO genre.
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We're celebrating a game that was already criticized for being too solo-oriented for moving even more towards being a single-player game? There's a reason I'm not sanguine about the MMO genre.
The best thing any game no matter the genre can do is up it's strengths and move away from it's weakness, the extra MMO filler has always been weak in TOR. The main story line stuff has been decent, might as well focus on what they're best at providing.
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We're celebrating a game that was already criticized for being too solo-oriented for moving even more towards being a single-player game? There's a reason I'm not sanguine about the MMO genre.
The best thing any game no matter the genre can do is up it's strengths and move away from it's weakness, the extra MMO filler has always been weak in TOR. The main story line stuff has been decent, might as well focus on what they're best at providing.
Current MMO'S have only been focusing on their weakness....it pvp....instead of actually make games people like.
Lol, so making a single player expansion, which is like a bad interactive movie, makes swtor mmo upped it game, ahah I think not. They would of been better off releasing a new game. If they think, it is gonna attract any of the old players, to the broken f2p/p2w/gambling box, garbage mmo they are pretty delusional. Although if they released a new game, with none garbage graphics, like swtor has. I would of paid 50 bucks for that.
I wouldn't give them 50 cents for that expansion. I am sure the hard core people who already play though will. Shodanas said:
game has stopped to be impressive long time ago, now only the hardcore SW fans play it
As i write this Korriban on the Red Eclipse EU has 2 instances with 130 people in each and Tython 128 & 130.
Clearly only hardcore fans play SW TOR.
That impresses you? 700 people. That literally is clearly only hardcore fans, and by the sounds even a lot of them don't play. More people are playing SWGEMU right now than that.
Yeah, lets twist the numbers and talk BS.
700 people on 2 out of 4 starter planets on one out of 9 EU servers. Right now the Imperial Fleet on The Red Eclipse server has ~600 players and the Republic one around 500.
I have to say I thought it was a low blow from EA and BW, the way they did early access, 4 months of subbing. 60 Bucks? and on top of that if u missed one even by a day your out left in the cold just to hear over and over again in general chat."WHAT? So I cant play till the 27th??" over and over again . Why didn't they just sell it for a set price like they did with the other expac? so I;m subbing have been for a while now and there's nothing to do I can't even level up past 60!!!! Not sure what they were thinking but everywhere else in the MMO world U Preorder an expac and u can get into early access.
All i see is more of the same old not very exciting at all.
The game carries VERY little value as a mmo,i see it as simply trying to cash in on added subscriptions as an extra cash grab.It pretty much is 99% a single player game.
They have not improved the graphics at all,same old low poly textures.Combat is still pew pew and boring.
Even it's force fields are incredibly cheap looking,seriously 15 years ago we had better animated textures being used,i know because i was working with them in the Unreal engine.All Bioware did was toss in some cheap solid red horizontal lines,a very poor effort and to me that is what i see all throughout the game.
What i saw from day 1 was they did not do any creating of a NEW game,all; they did was basically repeat KOTOR and add in a mmo tag that as i stated has VERY little value.SO was KOTOR any good?Well initially i was a bit intrigued well like most Star Wars fans,JUST because it was a SW's game.However just as now in SWTOR i got bored rather quickly,like about a couple weeks in and i never went back to play it anymore.So to me Bioware has not improved it's game design one bit since KOTOR and to me it is not good enough.
As to Bill's statement on being happy for others enjoying a game ummm i had to laugh.There are likely 200 million gamer's ,we don't exactly have time to worry about what is good for other gamer's or weather the other 200 million are all happy.No this is about pushing developers to put out a better effort,something i EXPECT a developer to do after all they are selling us a product,they want us to buy their product so they do NEED to convince us.As i stated Bioware has not improved one bit on their game design since KOTOR and then it is about weather or not you think that is good enough....i don't.
So you haven't played since 2011 yet you have an opinion? Lets get this straight.. you quit a couple weeks in and never returned. So let me get this right, you haven't played since 2011? OH.ok.
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SWTOR detractors can be still be upset over what SWTOR is. That's their right. But it's clear that EA and BioWare value the title and the millions of dollars it continues to earn. That's nothing but "good news" for fans of the game.
And that's something we should all try to come to grips with. Being happy for people that LIKE something, even if you don't like it yourself, is a good skill to practice.
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"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Lol, so making a single player expansion, which is like a bad interactive movie, makes swtor mmo upped it game, ahah I think not. They would of been better off releasing a new game. If they think, it is gonna attract any of the old players, to the broken f2p/p2w/gambling box, garbage mmo they are pretty delusional. Although if they released a new game, with none garbage graphics, like swtor has. I would of paid 50 bucks for that.
I wouldn't give them 50 cents for that expansion. I am sure the hard core people who already play though will. Shodanas said:
game has stopped to be impressive long time ago, now only the hardcore SW fans play it
As i write this Korriban on the Red Eclipse EU has 2 instances with 130 people in each and Tython 128 & 130.
Clearly only hardcore fans play SW TOR.
That impresses you? 700 people. That literally is clearly only hardcore fans, and by the sounds even a lot of them don't play. More people are playing SWGEMU right now than that.
Yeah, lets twist the numbers and talk BS.
700 people on 2 out of 4 starter planets on one out of 9 EU servers. Right now the Imperial Fleet on The Red Eclipse server has ~600 players and the Republic one around 500.
Clearly more people are playing SWGEMU than TOR.
Those were the numbers you posted though. You never said anything about pop on other starters, nor pop on other servers. Even taking into account the new figures. His point still stands. It is not an impressive number.
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Bioware has written far better SW stories than any of the films did with the exception of the first film.
You mean like the story line, where a group of 4 people, clear out a whole sith lord garthans base? With enemies neatly packed in groups of 2-4, where you can never die? Yep thats a great story line, so much better than the movies, with drama.
SWTOR detractors can be still be upset over what SWTOR is. That's their right. But it's clear that EA and BioWare value the title and the millions of dollars it continues to earn. That's nothing but "good news" for fans of the game.
And that's something we should all try to come to grips with. Being happy for people that LIKE something, even if you don't like it yourself, is a good skill to practice.
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Yep, I am sure you looked into their corporate books, to find out how much the games making.
Lol, so making a single player expansion, which is like a bad interactive movie, makes swtor mmo upped it game, ahah I think not. They would of been better off releasing a new game. If they think, it is gonna attract any of the old players, to the broken f2p/p2w/gambling box, garbage mmo they are pretty delusional. Although if they released a new game, with none garbage graphics, like swtor has. I would of paid 50 bucks for that.
I wouldn't give them 50 cents for that expansion. I am sure the hard core people who already play though will. Shodanas said:
game has stopped to be impressive long time ago, now only the hardcore SW fans play it
As i write this Korriban on the Red Eclipse EU has 2 instances with 130 people in each and Tython 128 & 130.
Clearly only hardcore fans play SW TOR.
That impresses you? 700 people. That literally is clearly only hardcore fans, and by the sounds even a lot of them don't play. More people are playing SWGEMU right now than that.
Yeah, lets twist the numbers and talk BS.
700 people on 2 out of 4 starter planets on one out of 9 EU servers. Right now the Imperial Fleet on The Red Eclipse server has ~600 players and the Republic one around 500.
Clearly more people are playing SWGEMU than TOR.
Those were the numbers you posted though. You never said anything about pop on other starters, nor pop on other servers. Even taking into account the new figures. His point still stands. It is not an impressive number.
You are correct. I should have made a complete survey on all realms and post the exact figures.
I forgot about how some people on these boards fail at deducing simple facts upon reading simple English.
SWTOR detractors can be still be upset over what SWTOR is. That's their right. But it's clear that EA and BioWare value the title and the millions of dollars it continues to earn. That's nothing but "good news" for fans of the game.
And that's something we should all try to come to grips with. Being happy for people that LIKE something, even if you don't like it yourself, is a good skill to practice.
I completely disagree Bill...After BW basically pee'd on all of us with the game, I would like the game to crash and restart completely. It only costs us the co-founders of BW to leave and a few other founders to leave. The only original BW member left I think is James Ohlsen?
If SWTOR crashed and burned, a new Star Wars MMO wouldn't rise from its ashes. You'd just be left without an online Star Wars game to call home. I think this is what a lot of detractors are clearly missing.
SWTOR isn't perfect, but BioWare does a great job with the game for what it is, and I personally love that I have a game like this I can play and come back to. Would I love something like Star Wars Galaxies again? Sure. But this story driven Star Wars MMO ain't so bad, either.
All of my favorite MMOs have been long dead for years. I'm glad that not only is SWTOR alive, but clearly thriving.
game has stopped to be impressive long time ago, now only the hardcore SW fans play it
Yes. And there are so few of them, as the movie ticket websites found out the other day... LOL
Just would like to point out ticket sales has nothing to do with this game, otherwise there would be over 5 million players in game,something we all know is not true.....
If your subscription runs out do you lose access to the new content? If so, because you can't purchase it as a none subscriber, it's the new push for subscriber only content.
Like someone suggested some people will wait, subscribe to play the bundle then unsubscribe until the next chapters are produced.
I also noticed a lot of changes made in the cash shop but zero reports on it.
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I just finished the story. BW finally did it, this is the SWTOR game that should have been since launch. Amazing and pretty much a whole new game.
Is the HERO game engine finally fixed?
Do the planets have open gameplay instead of a linear themepark ride/level based zones with 1 way to finish them and move on to the next zone/planet?
Are instanced pvp matches finally something different then aoe spam wars and a dps guy running with a healer behind him?
Planets have weather/day/night cycles?
Does it finally feel like STAR WARS?
Clearly, you dont play the game. But i can say this, it feel like KOTOR 3.
I played it at Launch, incl closed and open betas.
What put me off was that as a original trilogy fan this did not remind me of Star Wars (no KOTR fan here), and I know pretty much about the Hero engine version that is unsuitable for a MMO.
Adding to that the engine was not suited for many players in the same place without much lag.
As I played to the Jabba expansion, I did not like it that every planet had a level range and only 1 way to go through it and that was doing the quest line and the mini dungeons.
I quit at the ' raid' stuff as groups were not really supported and needed a LOT of patches.
So I am asking:
Is the hero engine playable now with pvp fights where NO FPS drop occurs when >5 players spam aoe?
(running sli 980s here -normal ones- on full SSD's so dont give me the 'get better hardware crap'.
Also, are the normal/vanilla planets updated with better questlines now?
As for Dromund Kaas: is it still raining there?
So for a returning player: where is this game being changed for the better?
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@MikeB,
I agree that it wouldn't rise up from the ashes - I personally don't want another SWG - I think the TOR base game is solid enough and I personally enjoy the lore of KotoR. The other gameplay systems are just bad and it keeps it from being the super knockout blockbuster that so many people want it to be. I disagree that BioWare does a great job, because I don't see them attempting to fix those systems. Just because you do something well doesn't mean you get to forego your flaws - accept your weaknesses and strengthen them. A balanced attack is much better than a lop-sided one. You can have great story and great gameplay systems coexist.
I don't think I want it to crash and burn but I definitely would like to see something like FF14 ARR for TOR's gameplay systems. EA, LucasArts, and BioWare, those three combined have more than enough resources to deliver on story AND MMO gameplay.
SWTOR detractors can be still be upset over what SWTOR is. That's their right. But it's clear that EA and BioWare value the title and the millions of dollars it continues to earn. That's nothing but "good news" for fans of the game.
And that's something we should all try to come to grips with. Being happy for people that LIKE something, even if you don't like it yourself, is a good skill to practice.
I wouldn't mind actually being happy for others, but you see the problem is EA has exclusive rights for the next what 10 years? That means that we have no other outlet to get "our" Star Wars fix,new game wise, and with other players accepting lower standards in game quality, you can bet EA is not going to change anything. I think Battlefront will tell how much of this they can get away with. I think that's the root frustration of many players,the company behind the game. Pride in a game is one thing, pride in money is another....
game has stopped to be impressive long time ago, now only the hardcore SW fans play it
As i write this Korriban on the Red Eclipse EU has 2 instances with 130 people in each and Tython 128 & 130.
Clearly only hardcore fans play SW TOR.
Mostly F2P offloaders though, he was kinda right, there is only fanboys subbing now, esp. after the pet nerf, crafting mess, and detroying the companions.
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
Bioware has written far better SW stories than any of the films did with the exception of the first film.
You mean like the story line, where a group of 4 people, clear out a whole sith lord garthans base? With enemies neatly packed in groups of 2-4, where you can never die? Yep thats a great story line, so much better than the movies, with drama.
wow okay milk-drinker. First find me one mmo that has permadeath that is on the same scale of TOR as far as popularity. Why the hell are you bringing up "you can never die" in a mmo video game? Would that make it a better story for you? Being able to actually "die" ? your logic is flawed. Its obvious you haven't played the game.. nobody that has can honestly say the story isn't there..it's the strongest point of the game. It as a mmo has flaws but story isn't one of them. Each story has plenty of action, betrayal, Big reveals, romance, drama, etc more than the movies yes. The movies aren't that good tbh just the first one is classic the others could have been skipped or maybe they should've hired Bioware to help them idk. Still stand by what I said. Bioware wrote better stories than the movies. You don't have to agree. It's my opinion.
Anyway milk drinkers aside.. I am of the opinion that this should have just been a single player game ala KOTOR 3 with all the same options but with a multiplayer element. I think it's good that Bioware is going in that direction now it seems. They don't even need to call it "mmo" anymore because for some reason people get overly upset with the word cause they have expectations set by SWG which was an average game at best. TBH more flawed than TOR. I'm just keeping it all the way 10 more than 90.
"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
I think that if this game did not have the Star wars brand attached to it, all this discussion would not be happening at all. The game on it's own doesn't stand.
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They have not improved the graphics at all,same old low poly textures.Combat is still pew pew and boring. Even it's force fields are incredibly cheap looking,seriously 15 years ago we had better animated textures being used,i know because i was working with them in the Unreal engine.All Bioware did was toss in some cheap solid red horizontal lines,a very poor effort and to me that is what i see all throughout the game.
What i saw from day 1 was they did not do any creating of a NEW game,all; they did was basically repeat KOTOR and add in a mmo tag that as i stated has VERY little value.SO was KOTOR any good?Well initially i was a bit intrigued well like most Star Wars fans,JUST because it was a SW's game.However just as now in SWTOR i got bored rather quickly,like about a couple weeks in and i never went back to play it anymore.So to me Bioware has not improved it's game design one bit since KOTOR and to me it is not good enough.
As to Bill's statement on being happy for others enjoying a game ummm i had to laugh.There are likely 200 million gamer's ,we don't exactly have time to worry about what is good for other gamer's or weather the other 200 million are all happy.No this is about pushing developers to put out a better effort,something i EXPECT a developer to do after all they are selling us a product,they want us to buy their product so they do NEED to convince us.As i stated Bioware has not improved one bit on their game design since KOTOR and then it is about weather or not you think that is good enough....i don't.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
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700 people on 2 out of 4 starter planets on one out of 9 EU servers. Right now the Imperial Fleet on The Red Eclipse server has ~600 players and the Republic one around 500.
Clearly more people are playing SWGEMU than TOR.
So you haven't played since 2011 yet you have an opinion? Lets get this straight.. you quit a couple weeks in and never returned. So let me get this right, you haven't played since 2011? OH.ok.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
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"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Yep, I am sure you looked into their corporate books, to find out how much the games making.
I forgot about how some people on these boards fail at deducing simple facts upon reading simple English.
SWTOR isn't perfect, but BioWare does a great job with the game for what it is, and I personally love that I have a game like this I can play and come back to. Would I love something like Star Wars Galaxies again? Sure. But this story driven Star Wars MMO ain't so bad, either.
All of my favorite MMOs have been long dead for years. I'm glad that not only is SWTOR alive, but clearly thriving.
Like someone suggested some people will wait, subscribe to play the bundle then unsubscribe until the next chapters are produced.
I also noticed a lot of changes made in the cash shop but zero reports on it.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I think that's the root frustration of many players,the company behind the game.
Pride in a game is one thing, pride in money is another....
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!
I play SWTOR as a single player game with the option to group if I want to for pve or to pvp.
Anyway milk drinkers aside.. I am of the opinion that this should have just been a single player game ala KOTOR 3 with all the same options but with a multiplayer element. I think it's good that Bioware is going in that direction now it seems. They don't even need to call it "mmo" anymore because for some reason people get overly upset with the word cause they have expectations set by SWG which was an average game at best. TBH more flawed than TOR. I'm just keeping it all the way 10 more than 90.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.