This person hates everything about SoE but apparently loved their games.He needs to get over it and accept SoE made the best mmorpg of all time and play EQ2.
Metallica made three good albums, Kill em All, Ride the Lightning, and Master of Puppets.
Since then all they have made is shit albums, just like SOE made shit games after EQ2.
Metallica isnt a good band, SOE wasnt a good company, it doesnt mean everything they made was shit, but the most recent majority is.
Theres really no explaining to do here.
I'd say five good albums. but Megadeth > Metallica so its irrelevant.
Iron Maiden better then either, but hey those 2 are good too.
OP - what you are literally describing is a personal problem.
Just because you don't like the current mmorpg games does not mean that they are not worth playing for millions that enjoy them.
The gaming world does not revolve around individuals whims and wishes.
No it is not a personal problem. When he says there are no more mmoRPGs...emphasis RPG...he literally means the genre is dead. We have MMOs, we do not have MMORPGs. We all know you are a fan of all the crap being put out these days, good for you and your majority. Some of us want our genre back, and who are you to tell us we don't deserve to express that desire? While this casual f2p cash shop driven cesspool may have attracted the masses, there is still a large number of PC gamers who have all but given up on this genre. I would argue a good portion of the people on these forums are in this category. So let's not pretend this is 0.1% of the MMO fan base.
Well OP... FFXI is EQ1999 sort of but also made some bad changes and additions.However for me it is the only game i want to play as a mmorpg.Vanilla FFXI was imo better than EQ1999 and imo is still better.So you missed the boat on a really good game.
However i do agree nothing else is worth playing because they all have the same lifespan,interesting to play for a month or so then quit.
As to grinding,i have no idea why people bring up grinding in a mmorpg.A mmorpg is not suppose to be an arcade game,put 50 cents in the machine and play for 5 minutes then leave.The only problem i have is if the grind is boring but for me,i enjoy the classes and combat structure of FFXI so it never gets boring unless of course i play too much.
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We need innovation, we need to stop stagnating and bring back the things weve lost before we reach the MMOPOCALYPSE.
Bringing back old ideas is NOT innovation.
May be devs look into new types of online games. MOBA is a great success example. Sure, something new may be interesting, but why go back to old designs?
We need innovation, we need to stop stagnating and bring back the things weve lost before we reach the MMOPOCALYPSE.
Bringing back old ideas is NOT innovation.
May be devs look into new types of online games. MOBA is a great success example. Sure, something new may be interesting, but why go back to old designs?
Why go back? There are good designs that never were fleshed out to their full potential, as the entire market did a "student body right" behind WOW'S lead and much potential in gameplay was lost.
Now with newer tech they can be revisited with a fresh pair of eyes snd something great might emerge.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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As to the OP fortunately for me there is one MMORPG that I really enjoy playing over the long term, the genre pretty much sucks if don't have such a fallback.
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Seriously, I was just scrolling down the list of highly rated and released MMO's and none of them sounded appealing. Like literally every single one of them was just giving me a sour feeling and making my head spin.
One of the top rated "MMO's" on this site right now is SMITE. SMITE is a moba!! Its not even an MMO!
ESO is repetitive, FF14 is nothing but grind, Secret World is all mystery no substance, Guild Wars 2 is just Meh.
Literally nothing, you know what I want?
COH
SWG
Everquest 1999
Anything that just lets me make a character in an RPG and head out in the world looking for adventure and danger.
Im sick of hand holding, im sick of exclamation marks above peoples heads, im sick of soloing the content and feeling like a god at level 1. I want a challenge, I want to live in a VIRTUAL WORLD again.
~Fin
SMITE actually is amazing though.
Black Desert is coming out soon and it's got a nice virtual world to live in. Maybe a little easy on the PVE side of things but at least the world is intricate and interesting and it has a good pvp endgame.
Why go back? There are good designs that never were fleshed out to their full potential, as the entire market did a "student body right" behind WOW'S lead and much potential in gameplay was lost.
i would say their "full potential" is pretty much a failure compared to WoW.
And even if that is true, why try something that is already tried, instead of something totally new? I thought people like innovations here?
On Camelot Unchained from my understanding the only way you will grow in fighting experience is fighting other players. thats really just a PVP game. The only thing you do outside of that is crafting. crafting and PVP. on mmorpgs i dont want to always just fight players or craft. PVP shouldnt be what drives a mmorpg. it can be a part of it yes, but not what drives it. GvG, WvW shouldnt be what drives a game. if all i wanted to do was fight other players as the main thing to do i would just play a FPS.
Or, it might be that everyone here have way too much time on your hands :pleased:
Guild wars 2 is stepping up as original title, something non-p2w/grindy, hopefully more developers get as bold as they did
Related to most other titles, yes, seems subscription model is in the water, and simplest way to earn money is p2w model, that one is a no brainer, and you know what, they wouldnt still be making those if they didnt have so many sheeps to milk money from
So, yeah, if you dont want anything better to be created in the future, keep playing those, and giving money to companies like Trion ,Gameforge and others.
Some people don't actually want a good MMORPG to play. Some people just want to whine.
Those people want their imagination of what MMORPG should be about and not what MMORPG is actually about.
Those people want AAA virtual world game made with super interesting non-grind wheel content, great AI, seamless worlds, great graphics, sense of wonder, great story, good pvp and fast stream of hand made consistant very high quality content. All that with no-hand holding and difficulity catered to more experienced gamers. + ofc great anti-cheat systems and no in-game things (cash shop)sales in game.
In an essence they want most expensive video game ever made in humanity history that will be most expensive game to date in regards to maintaiin over time, close to impossible technically to make and catering to miniority playerbase.
In essence they actually want an virtual world game to play, but they have impossible to met expectations.
Firstly, don't even mention Black Desert as a remedy to the problem. It's by no means worth playing at all (imo), I literally stopped playing 10-20 minutes into the CB2. That being said, I agree with the OP.
I feel the mmorpg market is crowded and saturated but yet, all of them pretty much feel the same in terms of mechanics, design, gameplay, etc etc. I'm not advocating for myself or the OP to go play Eq or UO, since those games (although great for their time) are severely dated and don't have the "new" experience feeling anymore. However, don't worry their are more indie games coming out that may fill the void that was left from the older mmorpgs from the 90's and early 2000's. I'm greatly looking forward to Gloria Victis, Link Realms, Shards Online, Shroud of the Avatar, and Chronicles of Elyria (to name the ones I most anticipate).
Firstly, don't even mention Black Desert as a remedy to the problem. It's by no means worth playing at all (imo), I literally stopped playing 10-20 minutes into the CB2. That being said, I agree with the OP.
I feel the mmorpg market is crowded and saturated but yet, all of them pretty much feel the same in terms of mechanics, design, gameplay, etc etc. I'm not advocating for myself or the OP to go play Eq or UO, since those games (although great for their time) are severely dated and don't have the "new" experience feeling anymore. However, don't worry their are more indie games coming out that may fill the void that was left from the older mmorpgs from the 90's and early 2000's. I'm greatly looking forward to Gloria Victis, Link Realms, Shards Online, Shroud of the Avatar, and Chronicles of Elyria (to name the ones I most anticipate).
10 minutes surely is enough time to figure out what an MMO is all about...
Ok, I guess it's long enough to decide if you hate the style of the game or not. I could decide in 10-20 minutes that I wasn't going to play Wildstar. That's fine if you hated the style of Black Desert, but it fulfills a lot of the requirements the OP is asking for.
It is the remedy to the problem, for me at least. I haven't been excited about an MMO for years, but I already know I'll be playing Black Desert for a few months at the very least.
On Camelot Unchained from my understanding the only way you will grow in fighting experience is fighting other players. thats really just a PVP game. The only thing you do outside of that is crafting. crafting and PVP. on mmorpgs i dont want to always just fight players or craft. PVP shouldnt be what drives a mmorpg. it can be a part of it yes, but not what drives it. GvG, WvW shouldnt be what drives a game. if all i wanted to do was fight other players as the main thing to do i would just play a FPS.
This title caters to a very specific niche, you might not be in it.
But I imagine CU players who want to do some good PVE would just log into another game which offered it.
Not many suffer my predilection to only play one game at one time.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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MMORPG as we used to know and love is indeed dead. We have something new and different now but its doesnt have the same gameplay. There are many reasons for this and it has been stated on this forum miliions of times by lots of different people.
The apologists will tell you to go and play GW2 in the way that you once played the old ones or that its your personal issue, dont listen, they dont get it. IMO thats a stupid argument for many reasons, or they will tell you go play the old ones but even though they have lasted a long time they are showing their age now.
Many many people here want the old MMORPG redone in a modern skin but with old gameplay mechanics. IN fact, thats all I want, they can pick any of them (my vote is for AO but whatever). Put it in new skin and I ll be happy. That is all we are asking for, but it seems thats impossible for some reason.
yeah, everyone knows it was the first 4 albums....
Number 5, "The Black Album", had Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters.
@sludgebeard I recommend you go off the beaten trail. Pretend you're in Ybor City or something. Try those MMORPGs with a rating between 7 and 8. The rating system here is little more than a popularity contest, and what's best isn't always what's popular.
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Going to have to add my agreement on here as well. I am back and forth between ESO, SWTOR, GW2, Wildstar and none of them peak my interest for more than 30 minutes. I just left FFXIV and I just can't anymore. I got to the point to where I said, "ok just look for an mmo that has the 4 things you truly must have" (action combat, housing, good dungeons and really good story) and that technically is Wildstar or ESO (housing is coming supposedly) but none of them are holding me. Nothing coming out looks halfway interesting aside from the Pay to Win Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous.
It's just not there.
I miss Vanguard. I miss the open world. I miss the feeling of the world being so vast, and I could just sit and craft/gather or just go out and explore because it was this huge world with things to make and do and see. I miss the vastness of it all. Now, I can't do anything I want to do because it has to have some sort of gimmick in it to make me stay online. I don't want to be forced to stay online, I want to feel like staying online because the content is fun.
I don't want to give up on MMORPG's I really don't. I've been doing this since UO. But maybe it's just one of those things that I'm just going to have to let go because it isn't for me anymore.
Black Desert is here to save people that love to pvp/gvg and will have basically very little to do endgame if they want any meaningful type of pve........
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LOL, that couldn t be farther from the truth.
Iron Maiden better then either, but hey those 2 are good too.
FFXI is EQ1999 sort of but also made some bad changes and additions.However for me it is the only game i want to play as a mmorpg.Vanilla FFXI was imo better than EQ1999 and imo is still better.So you missed the boat on a really good game.
However i do agree nothing else is worth playing because they all have the same lifespan,interesting to play for a month or so then quit.
As to grinding,i have no idea why people bring up grinding in a mmorpg.A mmorpg is not suppose to be an arcade game,put 50 cents in the machine and play for 5 minutes then leave.The only problem i have is if the grind is boring but for me,i enjoy the classes and combat structure of FFXI so it never gets boring unless of course i play too much.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
May be devs look into new types of online games. MOBA is a great success example. Sure, something new may be interesting, but why go back to old designs?
Now with newer tech they can be revisited with a fresh pair of eyes snd something great might emerge.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Black Desert is coming out soon and it's got a nice virtual world to live in. Maybe a little easy on the PVE side of things but at least the world is intricate and interesting and it has a good pvp endgame.
And even if that is true, why try something that is already tried, instead of something totally new? I thought people like innovations here?
Guild wars 2 is stepping up as original title, something non-p2w/grindy, hopefully more developers get as bold as they did
Related to most other titles, yes, seems subscription model is in the water, and simplest way to earn money is p2w model, that one is a no brainer, and you know what, they wouldnt still be making those if they didnt have so many sheeps to milk money from
So, yeah, if you dont want anything better to be created in the future, keep playing those, and giving money to companies like Trion ,Gameforge and others.
Those people want AAA virtual world game made with super interesting non-grind wheel content, great AI, seamless worlds, great graphics, sense of wonder, great story, good pvp and fast stream of hand made consistant very high quality content. All that with no-hand holding and difficulity catered to more experienced gamers.
+ ofc great anti-cheat systems and no in-game things (cash shop)sales in game.
In an essence they want most expensive video game ever made in humanity history that will be most expensive game to date in regards to maintaiin over time, close to impossible technically to make and catering to miniority playerbase.
In essence they actually want an virtual world game to play, but they have impossible to met expectations.
Just my 2 cents.
I feel the mmorpg market is crowded and saturated but yet, all of them pretty much feel the same in terms of mechanics, design, gameplay, etc etc. I'm not advocating for myself or the OP to go play Eq or UO, since those games (although great for their time) are severely dated and don't have the "new" experience feeling anymore. However, don't worry their are more indie games coming out that may fill the void that was left from the older mmorpgs from the 90's and early 2000's. I'm greatly looking forward to Gloria Victis, Link Realms, Shards Online, Shroud of the Avatar, and Chronicles of Elyria (to name the ones I most anticipate).
You reap what you sow.
Ok, I guess it's long enough to decide if you hate the style of the game or not. I could decide in 10-20 minutes that I wasn't going to play Wildstar. That's fine if you hated the style of Black Desert, but it fulfills a lot of the requirements the OP is asking for.
It is the remedy to the problem, for me at least. I haven't been excited about an MMO for years, but I already know I'll be playing Black Desert for a few months at the very least.
But I imagine CU players who want to do some good PVE would just log into another game which offered it.
Not many suffer my predilection to only play one game at one time.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The apologists will tell you to go and play GW2 in the way that you once played the old ones or that its your personal issue, dont listen, they dont get it. IMO thats a stupid argument for many reasons, or they will tell you go play the old ones but even though they have lasted a long time they are showing their age now.
Many many people here want the old MMORPG redone in a modern skin but with old gameplay mechanics. IN fact, thats all I want, they can pick any of them (my vote is for AO but whatever). Put it in new skin and I ll be happy. That is all we are asking for, but it seems thats impossible for some reason.
@sludgebeard I recommend you go off the beaten trail. Pretend you're in Ybor City or something. Try those MMORPGs with a rating between 7 and 8.
The rating system here is little more than a popularity contest, and what's best isn't always what's popular.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
It's just not there.
I miss Vanguard. I miss the open world. I miss the feeling of the world being so vast, and I could just sit and craft/gather or just go out and explore because it was this huge world with things to make and do and see. I miss the vastness of it all. Now, I can't do anything I want to do because it has to have some sort of gimmick in it to make me stay online. I don't want to be forced to stay online, I want to feel like staying online because the content is fun.
I don't want to give up on MMORPG's I really don't. I've been doing this since UO. But maybe it's just one of those things that I'm just going to have to let go because it isn't for me anymore.
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