I've left. I've been playing forever. It already bothered me how easy it was to purchase a shitload of plex, sell it and purchase whatever you wanted (credits are essentially the only grind in the game). With the addition of skill points being sold, I just think it's time to get away from this.
The strange thing is that I think it could potentially solve a major problem for acquiring new customers. Starting out in this game requires a ton of patience (a week to a month or so). If someone could drop $50 to get past that initial part of the game, it could attract some people.
It's too bad. I really love EVE to it's core. But for some reason my ego can't handle this step.
One of the goals of game developers is to get whales to pay huge amounts of money without messing things up for all of the non-whales. So someone paid a lot, yes, but did he win anything?
The whales receive 20 years worth of skill points. I assume that is not nothing in Eve.
It certainly is "something" but its by no means everything. (or even the most important thing.)
So much more than SPs goes into "winning" EVE, heck I should know since I've been winning in EVE for so long.
No offense meant, Mr Kyleran, but it's quite ironic and therefore amusing to see you defend mechanics you repeatedly bashed in other games just because they are now in EvE. There's only one god, and his name is EvE Online...
Yeh .. it is very funny.
Too bad my poll disappears, otherwise we can see how often people here are consistent with their principles.
P2W ... big no no .. oh .. Eve ... it is just a little bit of p2w .. let's forget the principle just this once! LOL!
One of the goals of game developers is to get whales to pay huge amounts of money without messing things up for all of the non-whales. So someone paid a lot, yes, but did he win anything?
The whales receive 20 years worth of skill points. I assume that is not nothing in Eve.
It certainly is "something" but its by no means everything. (or even the most important thing.)
So much more than SPs goes into "winning" EVE, heck I should know since I've been winning in EVE for so long.
No offense meant, Mr Kyleran, but it's quite ironic and therefore amusing to see you defend mechanics you repeatedly bashed in other games just because they are now in EvE. There's only one god, and his name is EvE Online...
Yeh .. it is very funny.
Too bad my poll disappears, otherwise we can see how often people here are consistent with their principles.
P2W ... big no no .. oh .. Eve ... it is just a little bit of p2w .. let's forget the principle just this once! LOL!
You're really not getting how all of this works (with respect to the unique and complex animal that is EVE, of course). There's been a few valiant attempts in this very thread to break it down for you, but clearly, it does not compute.
Might have something to do with that 15 minute attention span, but who knows.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
One of the goals of game developers is to get whales to pay huge amounts of money without messing things up for all of the non-whales. So someone paid a lot, yes, but did he win anything?
The whales receive 20 years worth of skill points. I assume that is not nothing in Eve.
It certainly is "something" but its by no means everything. (or even the most important thing.)
So much more than SPs goes into "winning" EVE, heck I should know since I've been winning in EVE for so long.
No offense meant, Mr Kyleran, but it's quite ironic and therefore amusing to see you defend mechanics you repeatedly bashed in other games just because they are now in EvE. There's only one god, and his name is EvE Online...
Yeh .. it is very funny.
Too bad my poll disappears, otherwise we can see how often people here are consistent with their principles.
P2W ... big no no .. oh .. Eve ... it is just a little bit of p2w .. let's forget the principle just this once! LOL!
Didn't you reply to me not too long ago about how you were just looking for facts and weren't actually invested in this idea one way or another? Yet here you are obviously taking a side and using sarcasm to belittle the other.
Just my general observation on non pay to win cash shop game...
No pay 2 win. Just pay to progress faster. Pay for more convenient. Pay to look pretty. Pay to have more fun.
Pay to not suck(isn't that kind of winning?) Well, the vet wiill say even if they pay they may still suck. But if your a noob who don't pay, you are gauarantee to suck for a long time.
Just my general observation on non pay to win cash shop game...
No pay 2 win. Just pay to progress faster. Pay for more convenient. Pay to look pretty. Pay to have more fun.
Pay to not suck(isn't that kind of winning?) Well, the vet wiill say even if they pay they may still suck. But if your a noob who don't pay, you are gauarantee to suck for a long time.
Really? I no longer have time nor desire to play EVE long term but once in a while I start a trial account. It is lots of fun and I do not find myself "sucking" because of my low skill points. On the contrary, I find it more fun because it expose me to new challenges.
I have done it numerous times, twice I posted results of my endeavors on these boards:
1) I made 1B ISK(at that time 2 months of game time) within 24 hours of account creation 2) I made 3B ISK before the trial period has ended, just by casual play
Nothing spectacular for sure but that was the point, to show how easily achievable it is. New characters definitely do not suck in EVE.
note: no scamming, cheating or in any way shape and form "nasty" behavior was involved
Skill points really do not matter as much as you think, if at all.
You dont win anything but time of your life that you will never get back for playing this sloooow progression game.
The question is not if the game is p2w. The question is why is this game so slow >.< takes years to get some of the skill. Why ? So I have to pay 15bucks a month for 12 times. Of course few sane people will want to do that so hence why they introduce this new system. For the non-brainless people. But yeah too many people with money, heck look at Star Citizen XD haha paying for digital content ships
You dont win anything but time of your life that you will never get back for playing this sloooow progression game.
The question is not if the game is p2w. The question is why is this game so slow >.< takes years to get some of the skill. Why ? So I have to pay 15bucks a month for 12 times. Of course few sane people will want to do that so hence why they introduce this new system. For the non-brainless people. But yeah too many people with money, heck look at Star Citizen XD haha paying for digital content ships
Real time skill system ensures diversity - you get people with different skills, flying different ships at different efficiency.
There is no progression in EVE. Unlike other games, the design of EVE Online is horizontal - you start in a frigate and you can play 10 years just with frigates. There is content, purpose, advantage and disadvantage for all ship sizes and roles.
Taking an example of myself, I trained up battleships after +3 years of playing, and only because I had "nothing else" to train. Never used battleships much anyway because they do not fit my play style and needs.
So if you are sitting in a hangar and waiting to "level up", do not blame the game.
Player A has been playing one week and player B has been playing one week. Player B decides to buy skill injectors to fly a T3 fully geared frigate and goes up against player A in a T1 version of same frigate geared up to his one week training. Sure this isn't P2W its all about how skilled they are as a pilot ROFL.
Player A has been playing one week and player B has been playing one week. Player B decides to buy skill injectors to fly a T3 fully geared frigate and goes up against player A in a T1 version of same frigate geared up to his one week training. Sure this isn't P2W its all about how skilled they are as a pilot ROFL.
Indeed, it is all about pilot skills, not skill points.
If player A is smart, player B will never kill him despite skill injectors and T3 ship.
"A bizarre twist on that story has since emerged when another player named IronBank created a brand-new character and used around $28,000 worth of injectors to max out every possible skill he could acquire to level 5. A total of around 2,846 injectors were used to boost the new character up to 473,344,000 skill points that would normally take over 20 years of skill training time to acquire. Those injectors are currently worth over 1.7 trillion ISK or about 1,423 PLEX, which would currently cost between $21,161 and $28,446 to buy with cash."
Is this the ultimate p2w or what?
Anyone that actually plays Eve for more than 10 minutes knows this means nothing. Other than, this dude has more money than sense. You can buy a all the skills you want, even buy a titan, you will still get owned. Anyway, got anything else? this is a non-point.
Ok. How about this then for an 'I win button'?
A top-of-the-range, officer fitted Cynabal, with top-of-the-range implants, with a character with purchased maxed out skills, with a cloak in low sec - preying on lone players.
As soon as the Cynabal gets distroyed, just purchase a new one for real life money.
This is called 'pay-to-win'.
Ok...and? This has been happening since the game released. It happens all the time, not a big deal. Don't go solo, or stay in high sec. Not sure what your point is other than noobs can buy their way to the top and then get wrecked. I still do not see the issue. Yawn.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
One of the goals of game developers is to get whales to pay huge amounts of money without messing things up for all of the non-whales. So someone paid a lot, yes, but did he win anything?
The whales receive 20 years worth of skill points. I assume that is not nothing in Eve.
It certainly is "something" but its by no means everything. (or even the most important thing.)
So much more than SPs goes into "winning" EVE, heck I should know since I've been winning in EVE for so long.
No offense meant, Mr Kyleran, but it's quite ironic and therefore amusing to see you defend mechanics you repeatedly bashed in other games just because they are now in EvE. There's only one god, and his name is EvE Online...
Yeh .. it is very funny.
Too bad my poll disappears, otherwise we can see how often people here are consistent with their principles.
P2W ... big no no .. oh .. Eve ... it is just a little bit of p2w .. let's forget the principle just this once! LOL!
Didn't you reply to me not too long ago about how you were just looking for facts and weren't actually invested in this idea one way or another? Yet here you are obviously taking a side and using sarcasm to belittle the other.
Ahem.... Your bias is showing.
nah .. i am just pointing the fact of inconsistencies in an amusing manner. No one says i have to write dry and formal posts about facts.
In fact, you didn't agree? Some here admit that Eve is a little p2w and many have condemn any form of p2w. Are those two things facts?
You don't think i have a very nice, funny, and amusing illustration of those two facts?
What about if all else equal? If player A and B are both smart .. doesn't buying 20 years of skill points give player A at least a little advantage?
You are not comparing apples to apples.
There will never be all else equal, thus there is no point discussing scenarios that never happen.
So you have no objection to p2w just because a smart guy can beat some less smart guy even if the less smart guy spend money?
Or a smart guy can beat a less smart guy faster if the smart guy spend money?
Got it!
What about if all else equal? If player A and B are both smart .. doesn't buying 20 years of skill points give player A at least a little advantage?
You are not comparing apples to apples.
There will never be all else equal, thus there is no point discussing scenarios that never happen.
So you have no objection to p2w just because a smart guy can beat some less smart guy even if the less smart guy spend money?
Or a smart guy can beat a less smart guy faster if the smart guy spend money?
Got it!
yeah but western economics indoctrinates people into believing that there is a direct relationship between intelligence and wealth
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
So you have no objection to p2w just because a smart guy can beat some less smart guy even if the less smart guy spend money?
Or a smart guy can beat a less smart guy faster if the smart guy spend money?
Got it!
Doesn't it bother Eve players that you can buy Isk, Plex, subs, basically anything you want in game?
Not a bit.
Does it bother Eve players that other games also have p2w?
Let me clarify, I do not speak for the entire community, just myself.
In the past I have have cared, but any more I could not care less about what other games are doing. So No, I do not.
Next.
So p2w in Eve and other games are ok with you?
Yes they are as I'll pay what I'm willing to pay with no regards to what others do or think. Weird concept I know, given the 'debate' of P2W threads and the polarized views therein.
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I mean, he should be steamrolling everyone and everything going up against him, no ?
Someone find the info please.
The strange thing is that I think it could potentially solve a major problem for acquiring new customers. Starting out in this game requires a ton of patience (a week to a month or so). If someone could drop $50 to get past that initial part of the game, it could attract some people.
It's too bad. I really love EVE to it's core. But for some reason my ego can't handle this step.
Too bad my poll disappears, otherwise we can see how often people here are consistent with their principles.
P2W ... big no no .. oh .. Eve ... it is just a little bit of p2w .. let's forget the principle just this once! LOL!
Might have something to do with that 15 minute attention span, but who knows.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Ahem.... Your bias is showing.
No pay 2 win. Just pay to progress faster. Pay for more convenient. Pay to look pretty. Pay to have more fun.
Pay to not suck(isn't that kind of winning?) Well, the vet wiill say even if they pay they may still suck. But if your a noob who don't pay, you are gauarantee to suck for a long time.
I have done it numerous times, twice I posted results of my endeavors on these boards:
1) I made 1B ISK(at that time 2 months of game time) within 24 hours of account creation
2) I made 3B ISK before the trial period has ended, just by casual play
Nothing spectacular for sure but that was the point, to show how easily achievable it is. New characters definitely do not suck in EVE.
note: no scamming, cheating or in any way shape and form "nasty" behavior was involved
Skill points really do not matter as much as you think, if at all.
You dont win anything but time of your life that you will never get back for playing this sloooow progression game.
The question is not if the game is p2w. The question is why is this game so slow >.< takes years to get some of the skill. Why ? So I have to pay 15bucks a month for 12 times. Of course few sane people will want to do that so hence why they introduce this new system. For the non-brainless people. But yeah too many people with money, heck look at Star Citizen XD haha paying for digital content ships
There is no progression in EVE. Unlike other games, the design of EVE Online is horizontal - you start in a frigate and you can play 10 years just with frigates. There is content, purpose, advantage and disadvantage for all ship sizes and roles.
Taking an example of myself, I trained up battleships after +3 years of playing, and only because I had "nothing else" to train. Never used battleships much anyway because they do not fit my play style and needs.
So if you are sitting in a hangar and waiting to "level up", do not blame the game.
Hope that helps.
If player A is smart, player B will never kill him despite skill injectors and T3 ship.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
In fact, you didn't agree? Some here admit that Eve is a little p2w and many have condemn any form of p2w. Are those two things facts?
You don't think i have a very nice, funny, and amusing illustration of those two facts?
What about if all else equal? If player A and B are both smart .. doesn't buying 20 years of skill points give player A at least a little advantage?
You are not comparing apples to apples.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me